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Blame Californians For Your Problems

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:43 am

Quite an amusing and interesting article going around on the AP today:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17791351/?=gohome

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Picking on Californians has almost become a sport, with people trying to come up with the catchiest slogans or blogging about how annoying Golden Staters are.

When John Wilker and his wife moved from Riverside, Calif., to Highlands Ranch, Colo., in 2005, they were told to change their license plates quickly or they would be run off the road.

As a Californian, I say...isn't this obvious already? And about smoking bans, I'm sorry but it feels nice to walk into a room that doesn't smell like crap.

Thoughts?
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:53 am

My fav quotes:

“California has a negative influence on our society,”

They infect the rest of the region with their politics and questionable driving

“Damn Californians,” she said, repeating a familiar complaint. “All their fault, all the time.”
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:56 am

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
And about smoking bans, I'm sorry but it feels nice to walk into a room that doesn't smell like crap.

In many cases, I prefer the smell of smoke rather than the smell of people with various levels of personal hygiene
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:01 am

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
Blame Californians For Your Problems

Ah hell, we figured that out 20+ years ago, what took the rest of you so long to figure it out?

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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:54 am

I was amused when I visited Colorado, and saw a bumper sticker "Don't Californicate Colorado."

Have lived in California, have lived in Texas, like it better in Texas, but there is one helluva lot I liked about the Golden State, and I'll defend her against most derogatory comments.

But I'd not live in SoCal again, more than enough of that for one lifetime.

Blame California? Bah, silliness. If you don't like what they do there, ignore it. But we (and I mean, all around the world-we) owe California for meaningful emissions controls, as we know them.
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:12 am

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
When John Wilker and his wife moved from Riverside, Calif., to Highlands Ranch, Colo., in 2005, they were told to change their license plates quickly or they would be run off the road.

Yeah Coloradans think they're God's gift to the U S of A and hate Californians and Texans for whatever reason. That said, Highlands Ranch, and most upscale Colorado developments on the Eastern slope are indistinguishable from any wealthy development in California and Texas.

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 4):
But I'd not live in SoCal again, more than enough of that for one lifetime.

Amen.
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:23 am

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
And about smoking bans, I'm sorry but it feels nice to walk into a room that doesn't smell like crap.

True. However, the elimination of a "smoking section" in restaurants means that there is no place to eat where you're less likely to be seated next to a shrieking toddler.
As for smoking bans in bars/taverns/pubs...is there someone out there who frequents these places in the hope of improving their health?
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:33 am

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
As a Californian, I say...isn't this obvious already? And about smoking bans, I'm sorry but it feels nice to walk into a room that doesn't smell like crap.

Thoughts?

In the late 1990s, Californians 'discovered' Austin, Texas. Before long, local parking lots were jammed with California license plates. I wasn't really bothered until the shine rubbed off for them; you could always pick a Californian out in any room as they would be the one saying:

* Gawd, it's like...so HAWT in here! It's like, a zillion degrees outside. Oh. Ma. Gawd.
* What do you MEAN, you don't have a vegetarian option?
* Oh. Ma. Gawd. Put that cigarette OUT! (loud passive aggressive coughing)
* Texas is like, so PROVINCIAL. They don't even have IN-N-OUT BURGER here, and there's like only 2 Jack In The Boxes in the whole city, and no CARL JRS.
* Texas is like, full of hicks. They TALK funny, oh mah gawd!
* Can I get that with like, a slice of avocado on top?
 
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:34 am

Those that are scornful of Californians are simply jealous.....either because they ain't got it, or they can't get it  wink .



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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:40 am

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
When John Wilker and his wife moved from Riverside, Calif., to Highlands Ranch, Colo., in 2005, they were told to change their license plates quickly or they would be run off the road.

In 2001 my buddy Gerry and I were at a bar in Green Mountain Falls, Colorado. We mentioned we were from out of town. The bar tender told us that if we were from California we would have to leave. I showed my Michigan license and Gerry showed his from Missouri. The bar tender gave us the first round on the house and he and several patrons told us why they hated Californians. He went on about all those California hippies moving in pushing out the good ole' boys. A lot of the patrons talked about how the rising land prices kept the working guy from buying a nice place. It was a great little bar, with lots of smoke and country music.

I lived near Denver in the 1980s, when I was a kid, and I remember people knocking Californians all the time.

Quoting TSS (Reply 6):
As for smoking bans in bars/taverns/pubs...is there someone out there who frequents these places in the hope of improving their health?

That makes sense. I always thought beer, whisky, and fried cheese sticks were healthy.  Wink
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:41 am

Disruptivehair:
Dude, you like totally sound like those transplants that went down to Austin.


Here in San Francisco, we like see lots of Toyota Rav4s with a rainbow flag bumper sticker shaped like Texas or a bumper sticker that says 'I love Ausin'.
There is a hella bunch of people here from Texas.
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:45 am

Blame California all you want...given that it funds the rest of the US.  sarcastic 

Quoting Disruptivehair (Reply 7):
* Gawd, it's like...so HAWT in here! It's like, a zillion degrees outside. Oh. Ma. Gawd.

Hmmm, given that Southern California can raise the mercury at a higher rate than anywhere in the US, I don't think that one was mentioned. Also, given the phonetic pronounciation you spelled out there, it sounds more like Texas than California.
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:51 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Here in San Francisco, we like see lots of Toyota Rav4s with a rainbow flag bumper sticker shaped like Texas

I once saw a car, here in Detroit, with a U2 and a Bush/Cheney 04 sticker on it. Now that is strange.
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:56 am

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
I'm sorry but it feels nice to walk into a room that doesn't smell like crap.

If it smells like crap, shouldn't they ban pooping indoors?
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:56 am

Have fun hating while you can. Eventually they will overrun you and become the majority. Then hating California will no longer be socially acceptable.

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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:01 am

You west coast people are weird


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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:01 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
There is a hella bunch of people here from Texas.

Dude, I see as many Texas plates these days down here as I do Louisiana plates.....

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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:22 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 12):
I once saw a car, here in Detroit, with a U2 and a Bush/Cheney 04 sticker on it. Now that is strange.

That doesn't surprise me at all.
More reason why I never take artist like U2 and rappers that like to grandstand there political views. It won't sink in to those that listen to there music.
Now get this. I've seen a 1960s Chevrolet Corvair with a Nader 2000 bumper sticker.  boggled 

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 16):
Dude, I see as many Texas plates these days down here as I do Louisiana plates.....

You two are neighbors. That's why.
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:31 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
I've seen a 1960s Chevrolet Corvair with a Nader 2000 bumper sticker.

That is cool. The Irony is so cool. I think I would do that even though I am not a huge Nader fan.
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:40 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 18):
The Irony is so cool.

Wasn't sure if they were being ironic or not. I do see lots of Nader stickers around here.
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:01 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
I do see lots of Nader stickers around here.

One of my best friends is one of those green party guys, I give his crap all the time. In return he gives me a bunch of static because like right wing talk radio.

In my neighborhood it is just your garden variety union democrat. They all talk like republicans, but vote democrat. There isn't too many Nader fans in my area. Go to a trendy part of town and you will find his supporters. T
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:16 am

If California is so shitty then why do so many people move there? I've only been to LA. I wasn't impressed with it at all (dirty, smog, crime etc). But I've heard nothing but good about most of the other areas. Particularly San Diego and SFO

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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:34 am

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 21):
If California is so shitty then why do so many people move there?

Well with the exception of LA and certain other unsavory parts, it's a pretty great state weather wise and geographically. That's why CA can afford to be so anti business whereas TX has to make life easy for businesses--people actually want to live in CA.
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:49 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
You two are neighbors. That's why.

I didn't mention what nationality most of them were.....or what function they're performing here.....or what percentage of those in each vehicle is even legal  wink  .....It follows, of course, that the percentage of Texas plates has seriously proliferated here over the past 18 months.

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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:06 am

Please, lets not allow this blame California thing to divert our attention away from the real problem: Texans  tongue 
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:34 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 3):
Ah hell, we figured that out 20+ years ago, what took the rest of you so long to figure it out?

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Please watch your mouth or we'll send the rest of our lesbians up there to live.  mischievous 

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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:00 am

Speaking as someone who's lived in Colorado since 1989, I think I have a pretty good grasp on the issue. In the mid-90's, there was a massive influx of people moving to suburban Denver from California. My area, Parker, used to be a one horse town literally out in the middle of nowhere. In ten years, the population boomed by thousands of percents, the area is now home to over 100,000 people. And they are making a mess of things: trying to build suburban "utopias" that cater to the CEO's family, parks for the young children to play in, trails everywhere for the parents to stretch their legs in some of the best scenery the US has to offer... The only people they left hanging are the teanagers, and with the influx of families back in the 90s bringing young kids thinking this would be the place for them, there are now quite a few 14-21 year olds left with literally nothing to do (and parents who aren't supervising them at all), so petty and misdemeanor crime is a big problem: vandalism, theft, drug use...And nobody wants to admit there's a problem, and when they see it they just try to throw money and blind legislation at it thinking it'll go away. Sad thing is, if they just admitted straight off there's a problem, it'd probably be an easy fix.

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 4):
Blame California? Bah, silliness. If you don't like what they do there, ignore it.

I have no problems with Californians doing what Californians do in California. Just don't come to Colorado and try to do it.
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:04 am

Considering California only gets back $.79 for every $1.00 in tax revenue it contributes to the rest of the country, I'd say the haters are idiots.

And, considering Montana gets $1.58 in funding for every $1.00 in taxes it contributes, I'd say that bartender owes the Californians a round or two.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html

Without California (and Californians), it is likely a lot of things we take for granted today (ipod, the internet, etc) would not be what they are.

But, haters hate what they are jealous of. Nobody hates, say, Mississippi, because nobody is jealous of Mississippi.

So, I'll take it as a compliment.
 
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:34 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 27):
Considering California only gets back $.79 for every $1.00 in tax revenue it contributes to the rest of the country, I'd say the haters are idiots.

And, considering Montana gets $1.58 in funding for every $1.00 in taxes it contributes, I'd say that bartender owes the Californians a round or two.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html

Without California (and Californians), it is likely a lot of things we take for granted today (ipod, the internet, etc) would not be what they are.

But, haters hate what they are jealous of. Nobody hates, say, Mississippi, because nobody is jealous of Mississippi.

So, I'll take it as a compliment.

Isn't that slightly slanted?

Wouldn't that just be a repercussion from so many middle and upper class people living in the Golden state? I mean certainly there are lower brackets, but CA is home to quite a few upper class americans, especially with all that coastline and SoCal, LA area, no doubt they'd have numbers like that, just simply from the demographics of the population. It has not as much to do with the state and it's boundaries, but more it's proximity to some of the US's most prime real estate, which Montana is home to a more rural, poorer population. And that kind of "thankful" crap is what makes it all worse. I don't go around saying I'm from Connecticut, and you better thank us for Nuclear Subs and helicopters, I mean really.....
What the issue delves into is again a demographic issue of the people who live in CA, tend to have more money, and with it a tad more influence that those in other states, not to mention they are the media mecca of the US. So there is certainly an almost disproportionate amount of power given to California, but surely it's a naive belief that CA is infecting us all.
 
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:37 pm

Quoting Johnboy (Reply 25):
Dear Seattle,

Please watch your mouth or we'll send the rest of our lesbians up there to live.   

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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:57 pm

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 27):
Considering California only gets back $.79 for every $1.00 in tax revenue it contributes to the rest of the country, I'd say the haters are idiots.

And, considering Montana gets $1.58 in funding for every $1.00 in taxes it contributes, I'd say that bartender owes the Californians a round or two.

California being such a rich state is only paying their fair share, after all. I mean, why should I, making a six figure salary, pay more in taxes than a person making half as much as I do?

Same logic applies to your argument. I will be certain to use my logic when presented by this argument in the future.

BTW, I live in Sacramento, California, and find the drivers from SFO and LAX to be nothing less than aggravating. But there are many different areas within a 90 mile range of where I live that afford me many types of environment, from rural to big city, etc.

I wouldn't live in any other place.
 
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RE: Blame Californians For Your Problems

Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:04 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 30):
California being such a rich state is only paying their fair share, after all. I mean, why should I, making a six figure salary, pay more in taxes than a person making half as much as I do?

Same logic applies to your argument. I will be certain to use my logic when presented by this argument in the future.

I don't understand what you are saying.

What I am saying is that California basically funds a huge amount of the federal government (including the disbursement of money to other states). And, California receives far less than it contributes (on a $ basis). It has nothing to do with how much you make personally.

There may be negative things about California and Californians, but it is ridiculous for some stupid-ass bartender in Montana to refuse to serve drinks, when Montana (for one) is benefitting from California's tax revenue.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 30):
BTW, I live in Sacramento, California, and find the drivers from SFO and LAX to be nothing less than aggravating.

Can't do much about that. I, for one, find people who drive 55 in the fast lane on the freeway supremely irritating. I also find annoying:
people who don't use turn signals
people who merge onto the freeway very slowly
people who cut me off
carpool lane cheats
etc.

Of course, I guess I would never assign those characteristics solely to people who live in select cities. I've experienced that behavior everywhere.

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