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Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:19 pm

Norfolk Southern released their new EMD F9 locomotives for their first run today. They're painted in the old Southern Railway's traditional black, white, & gold livery. I like the way they recessed the ditch lights. The bottom photo shows Southern's livery from 50 years ago.

http://67.15.20.45/images/images2/n/NS961-4270-Gallitzin,-PA-3-28-07-1.jpg.37522.jpg

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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:24 pm

Wow, that's one beautiful locomotive. Would be nice to see it run by the former Nickel Plate Line (now owned by NS) that runs just south of my house.
 
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:42 pm

Quoting N231YE (Reply 1):
Wow, that's one beautiful locomotive.

Under the hoods are modern prime movers, too. 16-cylinder, 2000hp roots blower EMD 16-645E engines.
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:55 pm

Stunning. What's the full story of these?

Great livery too (NS liveries in general...)
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:29 pm

Quoting N229NW (Reply 3):
What's the full story of these?

They were owned by Cruise America. NS bought them, stripped them, and started from scratch.

http://67.15.20.45/images/s/SLCC101-4ka.jpg.11654.jpg
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:50 pm

Hope they sound insulated the cab-older carbody locomotives suck when it comes to cab noise. Es and Fs are nice looking but I sure wouldn't want to draw one in summertime in the South-you'd bake to death in one. Unlike the hood units such as the GP/SD series, their cabs had very poor airflow-especially at low speeds. At least on units like the GP-7, you could lash the cab door open and get a nice breeze. I've done that too many times.

A little bit of trivia-Southern had a set of Fs that they kept for office car specials. I don't recall exactly what became of that group but they were active as late as 1986.Personally I think the black and gray isn't so hot-they'd have done better to have repainted the locomotives in the Southern passenger colors of green, gold and gray or the Tuscan Red and gold of the office car sets.

Quoting N229NW (Reply 3):
Great livery too (NS liveries in general...)

They're better than they originally were. Seems to me that I recall that a number of NS (and former NS) engine and train men made unofficial modifications to the Thoroughbred for some time after the merger (ex-NW and SR folks).
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:49 pm

Excellent Big grin

I love the F9's, such a great looking classic locomotive.

I'd kill for a ride behind one  Smile



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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:08 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Thread starter):
Norfolk Southern released their new EMD F9 locomotives for their first run today.

"New" as in newly constructed or "new" as in "We found this F9 rusting somewhere so we immediately re-painted it and entered it into service as a one-off historic deal for all you train nuts so enjoy it you cheeky bastards"?  Confused
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:53 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 2):
Under the hoods are modern prime movers, too. 16-cylinder, 2000hp roots blower EMD 16-645E engines.

I thought the 710 is the more modern engine...
 
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:17 pm

Quoting AC773 (Reply 10):
Now for all the rest of you: my first post in this thread was rather poorly worded, but I'd still like to know: Is this a new, off-the-assembly-line locomotive, or just a repainted and redone classic hauler?

It's a rebuilt and repainted classic hauler  Smile

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
NS bought them, stripped them, and started from scratch

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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:38 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 9):
I thought the 710 is the more modern engine...

They wanted to use the same prime mover as found in all 500 of their GP38-2 locomotives. It makes maintenance easier.
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 6):
I'd kill for a ride behind one

Your wish is perhaps granted?

http://www.wplives.org/FRRS_Home/Run...A_Locomotive/run_a_locomotive.html

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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:50 am

Great Locomotives, I love the F9! I like the paint they put on them, they should go to that for all engines, their current one has too much black.....
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:07 am

It sounds like they rebuild the interiors from scratch, too. They reportedly have interiors similar to their SD70M locomotives.

http://67.15.20.45/images/n/NS_SD70M-2cabf.jpg.88726.jpg
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:45 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 13):
They wanted to use the same prime mover as found in all 500 of their GP38-2 locomotives. It makes maintenance easier.

That makes sense.
 
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:20 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Thread starter):

Nice, but the old green, white, and gold Southern livery is better looking to me (As displayed on this E8 which is on display at the Southeastern Railway Museum up in Duluth):
 
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:52 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 16):
They reportedly have interiors similar to their SD70M locomotives.

One thing I've never understood, why does the engineer sit sideways here in the US?

Compare to a similar Norwegian locomotive, the Di-3 (Norwegian type name) which is very similar on the outside:


Source: Norsk Jernbaneklubb

http://www.jernbane.net/upload4/IMGP5178.JPG
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:09 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 19):

I am not sure, but I guess it probably dates to the days of steam locomotives. This was when engineers had that huge boiler in front so they had to look through small windows on either side.

Kinda like the GP9, although its a diesel-electric:

http://67.15.20.45/images/images2/s/SP_3005_with_151_Santa_Clara_May71RP.jpg.88147.jpg

http://67.15.20.45/images/c/Cab_3769.jpg.58257.jpg

Source: www.RailPictures.net

But this is just a guess, so I may be wrong.

[Edited 2007-03-29 21:12:38]
 
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:27 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 19):
why does the engineer sit sideways here in the US?

Just a guess but maybe so they can travel in forward and reverse with out turning around
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:32 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 19):
One thing I've never understood, why does the engineer sit sideways here in the US?

Each railroad specifies their choice of controls: Traditional control stands vs. desk controls vs. hybrid controls. Here is the same make and model of locomotive with different controls:


CANADIAN PACIFIC
http://67.15.20.45/images/images2/c/CP8717Cab.jpg.62680.jpg


UNION PACIFIC
http://67.15.20.45/images/images2/i/IMG_5698.jpg.91663.jpg


BURLINGTON NORTHERN SANTA FE
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:56 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 1):
Would be nice to see it run by the former Nickel Plate Line (now owned by NS) that runs just south of my house.

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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:27 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 19):
Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 16):


Compare to a similar Norwegian locomotive, the Di-3 (Norwegian type name) which is very similar on the outside:

The picture of the Di-3 really takes me back. It is from the Oslo East station with its long, wooden platform, before they put the railroad in a tunnel under the city and renamed it to Oslo Centrral.

As you might notice, the Di-3 is double-ended and the roof is more rounded to fit through European Standard tunnels and it has 6-wheel trucks. They were built in Sweden by NOHAB. The power is still all GM.

Most of the Di-3s were scrapped, 2 or 3 of them still are used for emergency services as no other locomotive seems to have their capabilities, and I understand 4 of them were sent to Kosovo to help rebuild their rail-system.

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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:22 am

Here's a collection of the past two days' photos. Today, the trio of F locos and special GP38-2 hauled a charter train from Altoona, PA to the Master's Tournament in Augusta, GA. The train includes 15 former Norfolk & Western coaches and a special NS boxcar as a baggage car (full of golf clubs?).

http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?road_number=NS%204270

Here's a teaser...

http://67.15.20.45/images/images2/n/NS_OCS_951_NS_4270_Mifflin_Pa_03-29-07.jpg.84010.jpg

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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:12 pm

Quoting Scooter01 (Reply 24):
Most of the Di-3s were scrapped, 2 or 3 of them still are used for emergency services as no other locomotive seems to have their capabilities, and I understand 4 of them were sent to Kosovo to help rebuild their rail-system.

Here's a nice link with pics and info about them.

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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:27 pm

I found a video of the train en route to the Masters.

http://www.larduskey.com/Movies/trains/NS951LN.mov
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:02 pm

Street running in Augusta, Georgia.  bouncy 

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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:49 pm

The Swedes also used an all electric locomotive with the "bulldog nose" look - the RAPID

http://www.gm-gruppen.no/images/rapid.jpg

http://hem.bredband.net/petcor/lok%20rapid.htm

It looks quite a bit like a double ended F-unit


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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:44 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
They were owned by Cruise America. NS bought them, stripped them, and started from scratch.

Thanks.

(And keep the pictures coming!)

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 5):
They're better than they originally were. Seems to me that I recall that a number of NS (and former NS) engine and train men made unofficial modifications to the Thoroughbred for some time after the merger (ex-NW and SR folks).

I like all the black in the regular NS livery, and the stripes. For some reason it really works for me, especially with the thoroughbred.
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:01 pm

How about a video?




Unrelated bonus shot from a couple days ago:

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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:42 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 28):
How about a video?

Interesting concept with the flashing headlights. Is that normal on all trains over here?
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:52 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 29):
Interesting concept with the flashing headlights. Is that normal on all trains over here?

As far as I know, yes. From what my father has stated (when working around active railroads), the lights flash when the train is moving, and are steady when the train is not. Its a safety thing.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 25):
Street running in Augusta, Georgia.  

So thats where the railphotos.net logo came from...  scratchchin 
 
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:09 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 29):
Is that normal on all trains over here?

Normally, they're both steady burn. Some railroads program them to start alternating when the horn or bell is activated.



Some use oscillating Mars or Pyle lights or Gyralights instead of ditch lights.





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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:05 pm

Rounding the bend at Cornwell, South Carolina.

http://67.15.20.45/images/images2/i/IMG_6829s.jpg.10080.jpg


More street running in Augusta, Georgia.

http://67.15.20.45/images/images2/i/IMG_6381s.jpg.95498.jpg
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:21 pm

Quoting N231YE (Reply 17):
the GP9

besides AMTKs Genesis P40s, that is my favorite engine the EMD F9. i never knew that engine was from the fifties till about 6 months ago when i was flippin thru a book. AsstMark, were you following that train?
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:33 pm

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 33):
AsstMark, were you following that train?

On the internet. I've been monitoring the usual railfan sites.

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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:54 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 34):

oh, i do that too...did Amtrak ever have F9s?
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:14 pm

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 35):
did Amtrak ever have F9s

No F9's that I recall, but they had a few F7, E8, and E9 versions.

http://67.15.20.45/images/a/amt107.JPG.91372.jpg
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 31):
Normally, they're both steady burn. Some railroads program them to start alternating when the horn or bell is activated.

Good idea  Smile
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:53 pm

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 15):
Nice, but the old green, white, and gold Southern livery is better looking to me

I agree, but I think the black in more NS style.
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:02 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 15):



Quoting ATAIndy (Reply 38):

green and white just dont go together, green and black is more like it...!
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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:19 am

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 39):
green and black is more like it...!

But, those are Burlington Northern's colors!

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RE: Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives

Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:15 pm

Quoting N231YE (Reply 30):
As far as I know, yes.

That depends. Locomotives that are used in commercial service are required to have the ditch lights. However, railroads can be exempted from installing them if the locomotive is classified as "historic" by the Federal Railway Administration. Most tourist railroads have the ditch lights installed but some do not. Cumbres and Toltec Scenic Railroad and the Durango and Silverton Railroad do not have ditch lights on any of their locomotives that I am aware of. Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum only has them on the diesel electric locomotives and not the steamers.

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 39):
green and white just dont go together, green and black is more like it...!

FYI, the colors are black and gray. It does appear to be white but the Southern used gray as it hid dirt better. Back when the Es and Fs were first introduced, the color was actually reflective gray or aluminum. That was the color that the Southern used on the freight motors until the merger.
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