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Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:25 am

Hey everyone, I was just wondering if there are any trains in the summer between Tel Aviv and Cairo. There is only one non-stop flight on El Al that operates only 4-5 times a week that leaves in the middle of the night. Are there trains or any other convenient ways of getting to Cairo from Tel Aviv? Thanks.
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:44 am

Quoting Evan767 (Thread starter):
re there trains or any other convenient ways of getting to Cairo from Tel Aviv?

There's no trains.

Try bus or car.


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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:03 am

Quoting LY744 (Reply 1):
There's no trains.

Screw it then, guess I'll just take the LY flight that leaves at 2:30 in the morning.
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:08 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 2):
Screw it then, guess I'll just take the LY flight that leaves at 2:30 in the morning.

does anyone know why it leaves so early
 
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:12 am

Quoting PAHS200 (Reply 3):
does anyone know why it leaves so early

No, but TLV used to have a curfew between ~0130 and 0530 or 0600 because of noise issues. The runway configuration hasn't changed since, so I'm not sure why there's flights scheduled to leave after 0130, maybe the hours got shifted.


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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:03 pm

Back during the British Mandate there was a train from Cairo to Beirut and Damascus that ran through Tel Aviv
If you go with someone who knows, he will be able to point out the tracks that are still in the asphalt. This train died after Israeli independence and the subsequent state of war that existed.
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:51 pm

There are very good flights on Royal Jordanian via Amman from TLV to CAI,at very reasonable rates ( I found one-ways for 140 $..)
Flights leave TLV at 08,00 in the morning and you arrive in Cairo around 13,00 hours.
Flights are great !!

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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:56 pm

Quoting ELAL 744 (Reply 5):
Back during the British Mandate there was a train from Cairo to Beirut and Damascus that ran through Tel Aviv
If you go with someone who knows, he will be able to point out the tracks that are still in the asphalt. This train died after Israeli independence and the subsequent state of war that existed.
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George McDonald Fraser wrote an interesting story about a journey on this train as a young Lieutenant with the Gordon Highlanders in 1946.

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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:13 pm

I loved the question.

It takes the Israeli train 2.5 hours (!!!) to get from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem (only about 60 km apart) and you want then to get to Cairo?
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:50 pm

Quoting Evan767 (Thread starter):
between Tel Aviv and Cairo

via LCA per Cyprus Airways
TLV-LCA
12-45----0705--0800---CY429-----0-----320
--3--6----0705--0800 --CY429-----0 ----319
Days ----Dep ---Arr ----FltNo -----Stops A/c from TELAVIV
LCA-TLV
---4-------2030--2050---CY436-------0 ----320
------7----1850--1910---CY436-------0 ----319
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:58 am

Thanks for all the help guys. I actually found a TLV-CAI flight that leaves at 1:15 or so AM on certain days on El Al, so that's not as bad as the 2:30. Hope the flights will be open though because we plan on non-reving. Anyone have any idea how the loads are on this flight?
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:02 am

Bus is the mean of transportation if not flying, done that.
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:09 pm

There are daily flights between Israel and Lebanon Big grin


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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:01 pm

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 12):

hehehehe Big grin
 
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:23 pm

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 12):
There are daily flights between Israel and Lebanon

but no landing-rights ! no code-sharings ! and no schedules !  no   no 
 
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:19 pm

Quoting Avi (Reply 8):
It takes the Israeli train 2.5 hours (!!!) to get from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem

Wrong. I takes 1.5 hours , because you have to switch lines at Beth Shemesh. They are working on the direct connection , I think.
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:37 pm

If Israel wants, we will be more than pleased to build a TGV ....
Today, it broke a new world record just above 574 km/h...
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Tue Apr 03, 2007 9:11 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 14):

but no landing-rights ! no code-sharings ! and no schedules !

Israel never care about rights my dear ME AVN FAN  Wink



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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Tue Apr 03, 2007 9:17 pm

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 2):
Screw it then, guess I'll just take the LY flight that leaves at 2:30 in the morning

Actually, the bus ride is interesting - I have taken it from TLV to CAI and had a great tour of the Sinai peninsula, amazing how many "carcasses" of the war(s) still remain. And you get to cross the Suez Channel on a ferry, quite impressive!

On the way back, we took the bus from Cairo to Taba and crossed on foot to Eilat. During this trip we could even bathe on Port Said and made a stop at St. Catherine's Monastery (Mt. Sinai). It is a bit long, but I would still strongly recommend the bus trip.

Have fun

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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:22 pm

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 15):
Wrong. I takes 1.5 hours , because you have to switch lines at Beth Shemesh.

Wrong?
Take a look at the train's schedule. A train leaves Tel Aviv at 06:30. It arrives Bet Shemesh at 07:13 and only at 08:03 a second train leaves for Jerusalem. It arrives at 08:49. Total time: 2:19 hours without delays and there are always delays on that line. These delays used to "kill" the entire network so the train company had to break the line. Latter the day you have to wait "only" 10 minutes but then you have to wait 50 minutes if you are coming from Jerusalem.

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 15):
They are working on the direct connection , I think.

Until the A1 will be open ...
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:44 pm

Quoting Flyingbabydoc (Reply 18):
amazing how many "carcasses" of the war(s) still remain.

What kind?
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:53 pm

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 17):
Israel never care

it may look utopic at the time now but just imagine things getting settled, and ELAL and MEA establishing a joint-venture company, operating seaplanes, and having scheduled seaplane services starting at / off Tel Aviv North Airport, with the first landing off Haifa-Seaport, second landing off Akko, third landing of Tyrus seaport, fourth landing off Sa'ida seaport and final landing either at BEY airport or off Beirut seaport !  yes   yes 
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:14 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 21):


it may look utopic at the time now but just imagine things getting settled, and ELAL and MEA establishing a joint-venture company, operating seaplanes, and having scheduled seaplane services starting at / off Tel Aviv North Airport, with the first landing off Haifa-Seaport, second landing off Akko, third landing of Tyrus seaport, fourth landing off Sa'ida seaport and final landing either at BEY airport or off Beirut seaport !

Yes sure ! I also can imagine a new airline connecting BEY and TLV with the world and the perfect name would be ARMAGEDDON AIRLINES Big grin


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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:23 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 21):
it may look utopic at the time now but just imagine things getting settled, and ELAL and MEA establishing a joint-venture company, operating seaplanes, and having scheduled seaplane services starting at / off Tel Aviv North Airport, with the first landing off Haifa-Seaport, second landing off Akko, third landing of Tyrus seaport, fourth landing off Sa'ida seaport and final landing either at BEY airport or off Beirut seaport !

I think this is the best reason for ending the occupation and signing a deal with Palestine (I would have thought a pre-67 split) - and makes me wonder why it hasn't happened - think of the money from the gigantic volume of tourism. I mean, you have the most highly concentrated amount of cultural sites for all mankind in that little strip of land from Cairo to Aleppo (Jerusalem, Byblos, Beirut, Bethlehem, Cairo, Giza, Damascus etc etc), AND it's populated by (seriously) the nicest and most hospitable people on earth (all of them). MEA, El Al, Syrianair, Egyptair and Palestinian Airways would all sign up for 30 A380s the day after signing a proper peace treaty. And need em as quickly as Airbus could build em.
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:27 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 20):
What kind?

Many of the Bar-Lev line outposts ("Israeli" side of the canal) are still there, some converted into makeshift museums, with a 'slight' Egyptian bias. There are probably still quite a few burnt out shells of various military vehicles lying around. Maybe some minefields. The airfields are still there as well, some used for civilian traffic now.

Quoting Teva (Reply 16):
If Israel wants, we will be more than pleased to build a TGV ....
Today, it broke a new world record just above 574 km/h...

Bet it wouldn't if it had to negotiate the hills and valleys surrounding Jerusalem, for example.  Wink


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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:31 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 20):
What kind?

LY 744 has already replied. I am not sure, some of them seemed to be russian - I would guess T-54 or T-55, plus a few airplane wrecks. I couldn't identify, I am assuming MIG-21 or MIG-17. Didn't see the museums though. The Military Museum in Cairo was biased enough for my own taste... worth just for the MIG-21 exposed outside.

Still, crossing the Suez Canal on Sunset was a great experience, not to be forgotten.

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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:50 am

Quoting Flyingbabydoc (Reply 25):
I would guess T-54 or T-55

There should be tons of those. Some T-62s as well. If there's any Israeli tanks left they would be Centurions, M48A3* and M60/M60A1. Also look out for BTR-152s, BTR-50s, BMP-1s, BTR-60s (possibly), BRDMs (including AT-3 carrying variants), PT-76s, WWII halftracks, Sherman-chassis-based vehicles, M113s, and a wide assortment of trucks of various origins.


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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:01 am

Quoting LY744 (Reply 26):
If there's any Israeli tanks left they would be Centurions

To be honest with you, most of them were only incinerated carcasses. I am no tank expert, so I could not identify them. In a way it is an interesting sight, but on the other hand it reminds you quite vividly that this road was not always this "peaceful".

Thanks for your info, anyways!

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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:10 am

Cedarjet, dream on, too much religion around the area to make sensible decisions.
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:22 am

Quoting Flyingbabydoc (Reply 27):
To be honest with you, most of them were only incinerated carcasses.

Everything that wasn't severely damaged was picked up and used (often put back into service, not necessarily on the same side where it started the war) in one form or another.


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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:14 pm

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 23):
why it hasn't happened -

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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:54 pm

Quoting Avi (Reply 19):
Take a look at the train's schedule.

That's what I did. And most trains get you to Jerusalem in 1.5 hours (which is as ridiculous as 2.5 for this distance)
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:45 pm

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 31):
That's what I did.

Do it again.

I know what you did. You entered their website and looked for trains from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
Didn't it look odd to you that the first train from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem departs only at 11:34?
Take a look at the trains from Jerusalem to Tel Aviv. Do you really think the last train departs at 09:59 (am)?

There are trains from Tel Aviv in the morning and from Jerusalem in the noon, afternoon and evening but it takes them about 2.5 hours (including 50 minutes await in Biet Shemes) so they are being "hide". If you want to see them you should download the complete schedule in PDF format. You will see it.
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:58 pm

Quoting Avi (Reply 32):
You will see it.

Indeed. Do people actually do that?
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:50 am

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 33):
Do people actually do that?

I'm sure you have enough fingers on your hands (if not a single hand) to count the passengers on each train.

There is a good (relative) load on the Biet Shemes – Jerusalem sector but I guess that all the rest of the passengers are actually coming from / going to Lod (where they have connections from / to the south) and not Tel Aviv (and again, there are very very very few of them).

Just to think that this sector cost us around 150 M $US and no one paid with his head (literally).
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:04 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 23):
Palestinian Airways would all sign up for 30 A380s

To do what? Repatriate refugees?  sly 
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RE: Tel Aviv To Cairo By Train?

Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:35 pm

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 35):
Palestinian Airways would all sign up for 30 A380s
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To do what? Repatriate refugees?

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To transport tourists and businessmen to Palestine and, as other airlines were mentioned, to places in the region.

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