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$1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:17 am

Well as a birthday present from my parents, they agreed to buy me a new computer for when I go away to school. They gave me a budget of around $1000-$1500 CAD to spend on a computer. I'm not sure what to all get etc. There are only a few things I want it for:

  • Be able to run FSX, Photoshop, etc.
  • Have a lot of HD space for all my pictures.
  • A good LCD monitor, preferably 20+ inches.

Other then that there isn't much else I need. I've been using the site www.NCIX.com to browse and build, but every time I build something it's way out of my price range.

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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:22 am

Rather than a build-it-yourself deal, wouldn't buying a fully assembled system with your school discount be a better route to go?
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:34 am

Get a Mac. They can do anything you ask them to do. Ask nicely and it'll even cook dinner for you  Smile

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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:50 am

Well I had a few discussions with some friends that are "computer nerds" and they all suggest a custom computer. Mainly reason being, It's easier to upgrade. In the past I've had a few friends that tried to upgrade their Dell computers with new video cards, and after they were installed their computer gave them nothing but troubles, crashing etc. I'm not sure what your referring to by a "school discount." I'm going to be going to Sault College's Flight Management Program am I'm unaware of and "discounts" for buying any computer. It looks to be basically the same price from either a pre-made, or custom built, when the specs. are generally the same.

Thanks for your help Westy
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:53 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 2):
Get a Mac.

For $1500 ?
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:55 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 2):
Get a Mac.

 no  The only Apple product I'll ever own is my iPod.

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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:58 am

It's certainly doable, but off the top of my head it won't be easy to get without building it yourself. That way, you can pick out exactly the parts you need and want to focus on (beefy video card for FSX, etc.). It'll save you money, it's a great experience, and the resident A.net nerds are always here to help.

Alternatively, you could always buy a regular PC and just add the video card yourself. There are a million possibilities, man.
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:08 am

Quoting FighterPilot (Reply 3):
I'm not sure what your referring to by a "school discount." I'm going to be going to Sault College's Flight Management Program am I'm unaware of and "discounts" for buying any computer.

Either you don't know about any program, or the school you plan to attend is behind on this.

Every school that I know of, including mine, offers a discount on certain systems; only Dell or Apple. Even products such as Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Office, Autodesk AutoCAD, Autodesk Inventor, Adobe Creative Suite, Macromedia/Adobe Flash, etc. have a major reduction in price, although some are sold as "educational editions"
 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:19 am

Quoting FighterPilot (Reply 3):
'm going to be going to Sault College's Flight Management Program

Ill see ya in the sault, im taking Aviation-Flight tech this fall!
 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:19 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 7):
Microsoft Office, Autodesk AutoCAD, Autodesk Inventor, Adobe Creative Suite, Macromedia/Adobe Flash, etc.

You mean you actually pay for any these?  innocent 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:20 am

you mentioned www.ncix.com.
If you go into their forum and post the same message there are plenty of people that would help you out.
I think you are being a little optimistic about getting a system with a 20” LCD for $1500. FSX is pretty hard on computer systems and once the direct x 10 patch is released you will need a 8000 series Nvida video card and Windows Vista to run it with all the features.
With you budget I would consider switching to a 19” LCD and putting the money towards a better video card.

For you budget you could get
LG GSA-H50N dvd writer
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320GB
OCZ Special Ops PC2-6400 2GB 2X1GB DDR2-800 CL5-5-5-12
EVGA Nforce 680I SLI LGA775 Conroe ATX DDR2 2PCI-E16 2PCI SATA2 Sound GBLAN 1394 Motherboard
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition DVD OEM
Acer AL1916W Asd 19IN Widescreen LCD Monitor 1440X900 700:1 5MS VGA DVI-D
EVGA E-GEFORCE 7900 GS KO
Mushkin HP-550 550W ATX 12V 24PIN SLI Ready ATX Power Supply 120MM Fan
Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 Dual Core Processor
And whatever case you decide on.
 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:25 am

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 9):
You mean you actually pay for any these?  

Well, I know some hacks and were to get hot copies of this software, but I'll take the good route, considering that RIAA for example, absolutely loves colleges/universities.
 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:27 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 2):
Get a Mac. They can do anything you ask them to do. Ask nicely and it'll even cook dinner for you

Signed,
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Not bad Kai, I figured it would have been at least 5 posts before some did the "Get a Mac, signed Klaus" reply .....    

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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:27 am

Quoting Kearney (Reply 8):
Ill see ya in the sault, im taking Aviation-Flight tech this fall!

You didn't by any chance go to their open house thing in March did you?

Quoting Yfbflyer (Reply 10):
If you go into their forum and post the same message there are plenty of people that would help you out.

Good Call. I'll see what I can do about the budget too. Maybe get it increased.

Thanks Again
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:29 am

Quoting Kearney (Reply 8):
Ill see ya in the sault, im taking Aviation-Flight tech this fall!

Is it still a 3 year program?


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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:38 am

Quoting LY744 (Reply 14):
Is it still a 3 year program?

Yeah, running through the first summer, but having the second summer off.

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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:47 am

Quoting FighterPilot (Reply 15):
Yeah, running through the first summer, but having the second summer off.

Yeah my friend graduated from that program a couple years back and the forces wouldn't take him into pilot training because they wanted a 4 year degree... So now he's at uni. Other than that sounds cool.


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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:10 am

A low-budget specialized game machine with compromises everywhere else leaves a Windows PC as the only choice. There are no Macs of this kind.

Quoting FighterPilot (Reply 5):
The only Apple product I'll ever own is my iPod.

Sure, if it's a well-informed choice... Most people just don't know anything about Macs, and that's not exactly a good basis for a decision.
 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:52 am

If I were you ide go with a Dell, but then again it is cheaper to custom make a pc. Don't get a mac.
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:58 am

A 17" imac retails for $1199
A 20" imac retails for $1499

Both are beautiful highly functional machines.
 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:02 am

Quoting Tootallsd (Reply 19):

What are the specs of these machines?
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:17 am

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 20):
What are the specs of these machines?

They're freely available on Apple's site, but to make a long story short; they're enough to run Photoshop but nowhere near enough to run FSX.
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:32 am

Macs below the Mac Pro are general-purpose machines with excellent features regarding CPU, networking and other aspects plus excellent manufacturing and a great software package, but their GPUs while capable are not comparable to those you'd use in a specialized gaming machine which sacrifices pretty much everything else for the sake of a higher-ranking graphics card. If you want a gaming machine, get a Playstation, a WII or an XBox - or a specialized Windows box.

The Mac mini and the smallest version of the 17" iMac use integrated graphics, so they cannot be recommended for any significant 3D applications or games at all.

I don't use any flight simulator, but from other 3D games and applications I'd say iMacs / MacBook Pros should be able to run FS, but you'll probably not get the same frame rates as you would on a specialized machine.

Specs can be found here: Apple - iMac - Tech Specs
 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:16 am

I work for Dell...or rather, I DID work for Dell. I just quit. Trust me, BUY A MAC! Even if it costs you more money. PC's are worthless pieces of crap and Dell's customer service sucks about as bad as every other PC maker's. I own and will always own a MAC. You don't have to go through that worthless Microsoft crap with MAC. No anti-virus, no reboots, no freezing, no hard shut downs. Nothing but good, quality computing with MAC.

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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:12 pm

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 23):
I work for Dell...or rather, I DID work for Dell. I just quit. Trust me, BUY A MAC! Even if it costs you more money. PC's are worthless pieces of crap and Dell's customer service sucks about as bad as every other PC maker's. I own and will always own a MAC. You don't have to go through that worthless Microsoft crap with MAC. No anti-virus, no reboots, no freezing, no hard shut downs. Nothing but good, quality computing with MAC.

Actually Dells customer service rating is one of the top in the industry, it may take some time on the phone but you will get the help you need. And im suspicious that you worked from Dell, the usually moron inst dumb enough to get a virus, and if your pc is freezing you need a new pc not a new OS. PC's are not worthless, they do everything a mac does. Now it might not have the same video editing capability's but it will get the job done, thats why it owns 95% of the market.
And if your planning on using flight simulator your much better off with a pc.

Quoting Tootallsd (Reply 19):
Both are beautiful highly functional machines.

Key word, Beautiful. #1 reason to buy a mac...
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:48 pm

Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 24):
Actually Dells customer service rating is one of the top in the industry

Gues who's at the top - hint: It's not Dell!

Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 24):
Key word, Beautiful. #1 reason to buy a mac...

Maybe for some newbies who don't know anything about the Mac; People who know the system usually keep buying Macs because those just work without wasting their time and nerves.
 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:05 pm

My recommendations for your Budget:

1. Intel Core Duo E6600

2. Some nice 2x 1GB DDR2 800 RAM. Brand? Corsair, Kingston, Crucial

3. A nice SLI or Crossfire Motherboard. Brand? Abit, Asus, Microstar.... and now Foxconn (WinFast) is comming up as a big player.

4. A GeForce 7800 or a Radeon X1900 card. Radeon cards are better stand alone. GeForce cards are better when combined in SLi mode. You may get a nice Radeon X1900, or X1950 card, and later, when DX10 cards become more affordable, get 2 PCI Express video card to set them up in SLi. Or you might as well go right into DX10 and buy a GeForce 8800GTS based card.

5. I think there are very cheap 500GBs Hard Drives out there but, 320GB should be enough. If you can get 2 of them and set them in RAID 1, you'll be glad to have your data safer. Brand? Seagate, Western Digital, Hitachi.

6. If you're an audiofreak, get a Sound Blaster X-Fi card.

7. Any DL DVD -/+ RW would do the trick. Brand? Plextor, Nec, Sony.

8. A nice case with a side panel fan for good air flow. If it has a clear side panel window, you'll have the nice colored inside as a bonus.

9. Monitor, pick anything you feel like it. Check the test first, found in websites like tomshardware.com and anandtech.com. Pay attention to the Response Time in milliseconds. The lower, the better, the less ghosting effect is seen. 8milliseconds and below is Ok. Also, check for brightness uniformity. Brand? ViewSonic, Acer, Samsung.

Pheripherals: Mouse/Keyboard - Logitech has very nice Combo packages. Try them.


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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:29 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 25):
People who know the system usually keep buying Macs because those just work without wasting their time and nerves.

People who know Windows keep buying PCs because those also just work without having to learn to use a Fisher-Price system.
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:02 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
A low-budget specialized game machine with compromises everywhere else leaves a Windows PC as the only choice. There are no Macs of this kind.

I would class the mac mini certainely as one of those. You do not even get a monitor or keyboard!!! You can get a laptop for around the same price and the type of person that pays that much money for a computer will be more concerned about the lack of a monitor/keyboard (apple mac mini) than they will about the lack of a firewire card.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 25):
Maybe for some newbies who don't know anything about the Mac; People who know the system usually keep buying Macs because those just work without wasting their time and nerves.

It really depends on what the system is used for. I do think that Mac OSX is good but it is not for everyone. Linux are coming out with some great operating systems and Windows is also very easy to use.

Good luck with finding a laptop, I think Dell is a good company. I was looking at an Acer but will certainely re think it after reading this thread,

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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:56 am

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 28):
I was looking at an Acer but will certainely re think it after reading this thread,

I am running off of an Acer Tablet PC. It was by far the most powerful of all Tablets (and still is) at the time of purchase, and I have not had any problems with it.

But Acer's Customer Support sucks rock bottom...

By the way, stay away from any HP product, because should you ever need support, you will be talking to someone in a 3rd-world country that can't speak English.  sarcastic 
 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:01 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 27):

People who know Windows keep buying PCs because those also just work without having to learn to use a Fisher-Price system.

LOL.. so true also they dont cost two times more than a pc

Quoting Klaus (Reply 25):
Gues who's at the top - hint: It's not Dell!

Ide like too see where Apple is at- Hint, its no were NEAR top.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 25):
Maybe for some newbies who don't know anything about the Mac; People who know the system usually keep buying Macs because those just work without wasting their time and nerves.

Because it is an os designed for the mentally challenged
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:46 am

Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 30):
LOL.. so true also they dont cost two times more than a pc

but they look sooo goood and are ubber cool.... unless you are talking about a macbook pro which gets super hot but that is great. I love burning my gentalia under the bottom of my Macbook pro

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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:33 am

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 31):
but they look sooo goood and are ubber cool.... unless you are talking about a macbook pro which gets super hot but that is great. I love burning my gentalia under the bottom of my Macbook pro

Prime example that apple wants the looks over efficiently. Can't even put decent rubber bumpers on the bottom for christ sake
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:15 pm

Quoting N231YE (Reply 29):
I am running off of an Acer Tablet PC. It was by far the most powerful of all Tablets (and still is) at the time of purchase, and I have not had any problems with it.

But Acer's Customer Support sucks rock bottom...

Duuude we have had so many problems with the Acers. A majority of them are desktops though.
 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:58 pm

Quoting N231YE (Reply 29):
By the way, stay away from any HP product, because should you ever need support, you will be talking to someone in a 3rd-world country that can't speak English.

That goes for pretty much any company with outsourced call centers. Thank god for live chat with Dell.
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:37 pm

Based on what you've mentioned, I would suggest a baseline Dell/Gateway/HP type computer with a Intel Core 2 Duo processor, a 160-250 gig SATA 3gb/s hard drive, and buy a separate ATI Radeon X1600XT or nVidia GeForce 7600GT video card. NOTE: if there was aything lingo you didn't understand, you should not be making your own computer.

For me it was a massive learning process that took over 8 months AFTER I bought my desktop computer.

IMO, the only real advantage to building it yourself is that you can save upto 50% in total costs because you're not spending on Dell/Gateway/HP labor costs.

If you plan to go for Windows Vista, stay away from nVidia video cards, they dont have the drivers working yet. IN fact I'm reading current users of Vista are having areal hard time with it and suggest waiting til Service Pack 1 sometime this coming winter. Window XP is still good.
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:24 am

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 35):

I bought a dell dimension and was planning on getting a X1600XT and there were no slots for it! I was pretty upset. Make sure you do a little research on your motherboard etc before you plan to do everything after market.
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:43 am

Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 36):
I bought a dell dimension and was planning on getting a X1600XT and there were no slots for it! I was pretty upset. Make sure you do a little research on your motherboard etc before you plan to do everything after market.

One of the reasons big companies sell computers so cheap, is because they save in manufacturing costs by removing some capabilities for upgrading, like lack of support for lots of memory and/or lack of AGP or PCI Express slot, proprietary board layout and case. What that means is: If you're getting the cheap version, you're getting a cheap, disposable computer. Its not one to hold on to for long and forget about upgrading / changing motherboard, etc. For that matter, build one yourself. But like someone said at the top, If you don't understand some of the things we're saying, its better off to stay away from building one.
 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:29 am

Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 36):
Make sure you do a little research on your motherboard etc before you plan to do everything after market.

Like I said,

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 35):
For me it was a massive learning process that took over 8 months AFTER I bought my desktop computer.

I had to learn: Serial ATA, Ultra ATA, IDE hard drives were and their specs and power req's; motherboard types like microATX, ATX, extended ATX, microBTX (mine), and their chassis's; peripheral card slots PCI, AGP, PCIe (their lanes and electric signals), PCI-X, etc. Don't forget power and cooling. I actually started to apply my electrical and thermodynamics textbooks from college to this stuff to get an even better picture.
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:16 am

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 35):
if there was aything lingo you didn't understand, you should not be making your own computer.

Oh don't worry, I understand the lingo, and I've build a few computers before.

I really don't want to go with a baseline company. I'd prefer to make a custom computer.

I'm probably going to stick with XP for now, and once a few DX10 games come out I'll buy Vista and a 8000 Series Vid Card.

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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:46 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 27):
People who know Windows keep buying PCs because those also just work without having to learn to use a Fisher-Price system.

Typing that sentence into a window with ostentatiously plastic-looking buttons in screaming toy colours on top puts irony to a whole new level, doesn't it...?  rotfl 

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 28):
I would class the mac mini certainely as one of those. You do not even get a monitor or keyboard!!! You can get a laptop for around the same price and the type of person that pays that much money for a computer will be more concerned about the lack of a monitor/keyboard (apple mac mini) than they will about the lack of a firewire card.

You can also get more fatty and preservative-laden bulk when buying the cheapest food available relative to decent quality stuff.

And if getting fat(ter) is your only objective, paying for anything else will certainly look like lunacy to you.

If quality doesn't matter to you at all, simply buy something else. Just don't expect to claim it was "just as good" without being laughed at.

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 28):
It really depends on what the system is used for. I do think that Mac OSX is good but it is not for everyone. Linux are coming out with some great operating systems and Windows is also very easy to use.

Neither Windows nor Linux are fit for normal users who want to have a life beside babying their computer. For different reasons, but with similar results.

Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 30):
LOL.. so true also they dont cost two times more than a pc

Yawn. Just try getting a comparable Windows-only PC for half the price of (or even significantly less than) any Mac. If what you really want is a bottom-of-the-barrel stripped-down PC, simply get one. Not everyone is ready to live with the kind of junk you'll get for "saving" on the wrong end, however.

Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 30):
Ide like too see where Apple is at- Hint, its no were NEAR top.

Random pick:

PC users can't get no satisfaction | CNET News.com:

Quote:
A study released Tuesday by the University of Michigan shows that overall satisfaction increased by 4.1 percent on Michigan's American Customer Satisfaction Index to a rating of 77, the highest achieved by the industry since 1994. But customers still rate PCs lower than several other consumer product categories, including cars and appliances.

"The thing with customer service is to make sure you don't need it," said Claes Fornell, a professor at the University of Michigan and the head of the ACSI. Even though servicing a car or dishwasher can induce the same kinds of headaches as PC technical support does, car and appliance makers have done a better job of simplifying their products and reducing the amount of maintenance needed to keep their products going, while PC users continue to flood help lines when faced with complicated problems, he said.

Apple Computer led the pack among computer individual vendors with a rating of 83, a 2.5 percent improvement over last year's score. Dell, under siege all year for its customer service problems, rebounded from 2005, improving its score by 5.4 percent to 78.



Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 30):
Because it is an os designed for the mentally challenged

Yeah. I guess geneticists and an increasing number of other scientists along with an also increasing number of IT professionals and all kinds of other people must all be mentally challenged, then...  crazy 

An industrial-strength Unix infrastructure must certainly attract the weakest-minded users, especially if coupled with the most user-friendly interface in the industry on top of that...

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 31):
but they look sooo goood and are ubber cool.... unless you are talking about a macbook pro which gets super hot but that is great.

My Core 2 MacBook Pro gets warm but not hot. No problem whatsoever, even though it's one of the thinnest and lightest in its class. But I'm sure you know better than anybody who actually owns one.  Yeah sure

Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 32):
Prime example that apple wants the looks over efficiently. Can't even put decent rubber bumpers on the bottom for christ sake

No problems with the standard-issue rubber feet either.
 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:00 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
No problems with the standard-issue rubber feet either.

hmm you must not have one. My friend does and with basic tasking you can fry an egg with it.

Viva la Vida
 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 41):
hmm you must not have one. My friend does and with basic tasking you can fry an egg with it.

The earlier Core (1) models ran hotter than the newer Core 2 ones. As I said, no problem with mine (Core 2 Duo 2.33GHz, 17").
 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:07 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 29):
By the way, stay away from any HP product, because should you ever need support, you will be talking to someone in a 3rd-world country that can't speak English.

I spoke with several HP tech support people last week in the 3rd world hole of BC (as in Canada). btw, their English was excellent. sarcastic 

Here's a suggestion for the OP:

RT774UT - AMD Athlon64 4600+ X2, 1GB, 250GB Hard Drive, 16-n-1 media reader DVD+/-RW w/Lightscribe, Vista $910
19" monitor plus speaker bar - $244
Extra Gig of RAM - $159
Radeon X1300 w/ DirectX 9/256MB Dual Head - $159
Rebates - $65

Total - $1407, you might have to lose the extra RAM based on the conversion rate but it can be added later - it's nice though to have more plus it bumps you up to a dual channel configuration. I'm also not sure if the rebates are the same in Canada as the US.

A couple of nice things about this system - 3 year on site warranty including accessories, 3 GB/s SATA drive and SATA DVD burner, RAID controller (you'll have to lose the media reader if you add another HD with the SFF version, there is a MT version as well but it's not as good of a deal), Gig-E, and TPM(not likely to be needed, but nice).

You can forget the Geforce 8800 on your budget - they're pretty steep but you could probably swing the new 8600 which should cost about $200.You'll also have to be careful to get a system with two PCI-Express slots (full height)
Where are all of my respected members going?
 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:04 pm

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 43):

Im drooling right now thinking about that... just gotta wait till I have some $$ to upgrade.
Viva la Vida
 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:44 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
Typing that sentence into a window with ostentatiously plastic-looking buttons in screaming toy colours on top puts irony to a whole new level, doesn't it...?

 confused 

Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
Neither Windows nor Linux are fit for normal users who want to have a life beside babying their computer

Hmm. I use Windows, and I don't baby my computer. I turn it on, use it, turn it off.

Quoting Ebs757 (Reply 41):
My friend does and with basic tasking you can fry an egg with it.

“Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, an
 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:13 am

Let's see:





So which one is closer to the usual Fisher-Price cheap plastic look?  eyebrow 

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 45):
Hmm. I use Windows, and I don't baby my computer. I turn it on, use it, turn it off.

And recent switchers to MacOS X are usually surprised how much less time they have to spend on the computer than they had always believed to be necessary under Windows...
 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:54 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
You can also get more fatty and preservative-laden bulk when buying the cheapest food available relative to decent quality stuff.

And if getting fat(ter) is your only objective, paying for anything else will certainly look like lunacy to you.

If quality doesn't matter to you at all, simply buy something else. Just don't expect to claim it was "just as good" without being laughed at.

If by fat you mean abuility to perform tasks requested of it by the type of person that will be looking at spending that much money then I heartily agree with you.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
Neither Windows nor Linux are fit for normal users who want to have a life beside babying their computer. For different reasons, but with similar results.

They are getting better and better. I can't wait to give Fiesty Fawn a try, as it seems very good.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
My Core 2 MacBook Pro gets warm but not hot. No problem whatsoever, even though it's one of the thinnest and lightest in its class. But I'm sure you know better than anybody who actually owns one. Yeah sure

I wrote that post on an Apple Macbook which felt like it was burning the apple logo into my leg!!! (no a macbook pro but they have been known to get hot. I was talking to an Apple rep at my local apple store who said that Apple allow their computers to get hotter than their competitors because they do not like the idea of having to use fans. I imagine that caries across to laptops as well)
 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:30 am

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 47):
If by fat you mean abuility to perform tasks requested of it by the type of person that will be looking at spending that much money then I heartily agree with you.

Um, sure... everybody knows that fat actually makes you fit and agile, right? And the cheaper you buy, the healthier you eat, don't you?  crazy 

Yeah, and a stripped-down bottom-of-the-barrel PC is "just as good" as a fully-equipped Mac. Absolutely!

The fact of the matter is that the overwhelming consensus is that paying the same or a little more for a Mac makes you more productive with less overhead. Individual variations apply as everywhere, but the votes are a bit too unambiguous to dismiss.

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 47):
They are getting better and better. I can't wait to give Fiesty Fawn a try, as it seems very good.

Since they are "getting better and better" slower than others are leading the way ahead, the distance is still growing. Actual usability is a lot more difficult to achieve than just copying a few superficial functionalities. It has a lot more to do with conceptual design on a deeper level, but unfortunately both Microsoft and the open source movement seem largely incapable of realizing that.

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 47):
I wrote that post on an Apple Macbook which felt like it was burning the apple logo into my leg!!!

Sorry to hear that... but as I said, I cannot confirm that from my Core 2 MacBook Pro 17".

It looks as if Apple was a bit over-ambitious regarding performance and noise abatement in the first Core (1) MacBooks for this slim and light form factor, but the Core 2 apparently fits the bill nearly perfectly.
 
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RE: $1000-$1500 To Spend On A Computer

Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:08 am

I have read very little of the thread after my last post, but I have to tell my experiences with Mac OS X (mostly Tiger) through the past 2 weeks, which have been with 3 Minis, 1 PowerBook, one MacBook, one Cube and a PowerMac G4. I must say that being a Windows user, its hard to understand, sometimes, how MacOSX manages to do so many things so easily without asking anything. It basically sees printers in a network in a flash. I don't have to tell it where it is, type IP addresses, or anything, it just tells me in a flash which printers are available to be installed. Same for wireless networks. Windows tells too much unrequested info. Macs just works... a bit hard to understand, again.. I really don't know how OS X does it.

I have been a Windows user for the past 13 years.. since Windows 3.1.. I am an A+ and Network + certified tech (not much, but it tells my involvement in the PC world).. I became a NT and Novell Network administrator in 1998.. and now I do basically everything... and yes, for the most part I still find the PC easier (duh! Obvious).. but I would not recommend a PC to someone new to computers... AND if you are a PC user, it will take some time to get used to it but, if you switch to Mac, you won't be disappointed (other than the fact that there might be one application that you'll want to use that's not available for Mac, such as Flight Sim). Just be patient and try to learn it.

Some nice tips for PC users: We're used to right clicking. DO NOT USE the Apple mouse, get a 2 button scroll wheel mouse from Logitech or Microsoft and you'll be feeling better. Right Clicks do work on Macs, but with a 2 button mouse. Try to understand the Mac approach: The OS actually do more things for you than what Windows do for the computer. A Windows user tells Windows how to do things like 80% of the times. A Mac user (my experience) tells Mac OS what to do, like 20% of the times it needs to do something. The other 80% OS X figures out what to do on its own, and it'll do it right!

Apple brought out some stuff that we love and use in Windows before Windows. That is: Icons, the use of the mouse, the recycle bin, integrated search (Spotlight its a Wonder - For example, if I needed the Directory Access connector, I'll just type "Directo..." and Spotlight will show the Directory Access tool as the first result. Same for the Network configuration, or for FileMaker Pro, or Safari.. etc, and all is being shown as you type which is way easier and quicker than browsing through folders or clicking menus- Windows XP search is nowhere near Spotlight capabilities) the transparency and cool effects now found on Vista, the widgets and many more stuff. If they weren't so good, then Microsoft wouldn't have copied them.

As a conclusion... I have spent 2 weeks working with Macs and Windows, trying to set up a Domain controlled network.. It has taken so long because of the lack of information from the company... they give info drop by drop.. (for example, I've been waiting one whole week for the e-mail users/passwords/servers configuration list)... and probably it wouldn't have been such a success if their would have been PCs.. starting from the fact that most PCs in the price range of a Mac Mini which come bundled with Windows XP Home do not support Domain Networks, and that would have been a big drawback.

To you PC users, give Mac a try. You're not only a Windows lover, but also a Linux user wannabe. Maybe you won't feel like switching, but having stated in your Resume that you are avid in Windows, Mac and Linux.. looks pretty good! So even if its not to love it, use it to learn.. for your enrichment.

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