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W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:32 am

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/04/bush.ambassador.ap/index.html

Notwithstanding all the liberals getting into a frenzy in the thread linked below, W has outflanked the Dems by naming Sam Fox as the as US Ambassador to Belgium by means of a recess appointment. ROTFLMAO. For those of you who don't know Fox donated $50,000 to the Swift Boat group that is credited with helping sink Kerry's run for the Presidency. Kerry made it his mission to block Fox's Senate confirmation.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/1570786/

This means that Fox can serve until the end of W's term (actually about a week less). Pretty good "strategery" for the "village idiot".

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 72):
However, if someone from that group was up for a job in front of the Senate, and was known to have helped smear an opponent, I think he should get the same fate.

Better luck next time!
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:05 am

Let see the Ambassador to Belgium: not really all that important of a post to waste whatever capital that Bush as left, I wonder if Bush himself has throw in the towel on the remainder of his administration; this type of attitude will make it very difficult to get anything passed.
 
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:07 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 1):
this type of attitude will make it very difficult to get anything passed.

Spot on!

Let's wait and see what happens with any legislation the "village idiot"* attempts to have passed!



*your words pope!
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:13 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
Let's wait and see what happens with any legislation the "village idiot"* attempts to have passed!

Of course, there's the sticking point.

Given the Dems majority in both houses now he can blame a stagnant government on the Dems to discredit them for the next election cycle.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:17 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 3):
Given the Dems majority in both houses now he can blame a stagnant government on the Dems to discredit them for the next election cycle.

Both the Dems and Bush can claim that the other is not willing to compromise and is thus holding up the government. With Bush's approval rating the way it is, he's fighting from behind on that one.

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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:19 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
Let's wait and see what happens with any legislation the "village idiot"* attempts to have passed!

Yeah because clearly the Democrats have been so bipartisan in there first three months of control.  Yeah sure

If the Clinton administration showed us anything is that this country works best when government stays out of the way. From a business perspective I can tell you that the best think that can happen is legislative gridlock. Budgets grow at inflation and no more pork gets added.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:20 am

Maybe that Yale degree was good for something!  confused   rotfl 

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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:23 am

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
Kerry made it his mission to block Fox's Senate confirmation.

No way! Kerry wouldn't play politics with an appointment would he?

Not John Kerry.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:26 am

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
Pretty good "strategery" for the "village idiot".

Truly as cunning a statesman as any. He sure showed them!  sarcastic 

Ever hear of John Bolton? Hell, Reagan made 243 recess appointments in his years in office alone.

Of course, if believing that this is some kind of slick strategy Bush slyly executed after a period of meticulous planning is going to make you feel better about the utterly dismal state of his presidency, ignore everything you just read.
 
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:33 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 8):
Reagan made 243 recess appointments in his years in office alone.

Yep and Clinton made 139. So the next time you guys want to tell me about the Democrats in Congress working WITH Republican Presidents, I don't want to hear it.

This is statistical proof that Democrats are obstructionists.
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Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:34 am

Bush has lost all credibility. I could care less what scumbag backroom buddy he appoints to Belgium. He's already shown how much of an ass he is over the criticism of Pelosi's visit to Syria. Funny, he was all over her trip like stink on shit, but said absolutely nothing whatsoever about 3 Republicans visiting Syria.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:35 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 8):
Ever hear of John Bolton? Hell, Reagan made 243 recess appointments in his years in office alone.

No who is John Bolton?  Yeah sure I've never heard of him before.  Yeah sure Please enlighten me with your brilliant political science analysis.  Yeah sure

Junior, I probably spent more time on the Hill than you've spent in college.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:36 am

As someone who helped Bush win the second term, Fox will have a very warm welcome in Belgium as ambassador.

I hope he'll enjoy his time.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:37 am

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 9):

Yep and Clinton made 139. So the next time you guys want to tell me about the Democrats in Congress working WITH Republican Presidents, I don't want to hear it.

That wasn't ment to infer that only Republicans make recess appointments. I was simply pointing out that they aren't particularly rare by using the highest count. We are after all, talking about politicians here.
 
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:50 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
With Bush's approval rating the way it is, he's fighting from behind on that one.

But he doesn't have anymore elections to win, the democrats do.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 10):
but said absolutely nothing whatsoever about 3 Republicans visiting Syria.

3 Republican Speakers of the House visited Syria during President Bushes 2 terms in office? And here I thought Denny Hastert was just a large man!
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:57 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 13):
That wasn't ment to infer that only Republicans make recess appointments. I was simply pointing out that they aren't particularly rare by using the highest count. We are after all, talking about politicians here.

I didn't mean to imply that you might have been one of those that are all about the bi-partisanship of Democrats. You just gave me some statistical proof.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:00 am

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 9):
This is statistical proof that Democrats are obstructionists.

Please say the other half. Please. You're smarter than this.

We need cooperation in DC and this sort of position only fosters separation. Regardless of which party is in power, the other party does what it can to undermine the other. If you keep thinking this way, then so will they.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:03 am

Hahahahaha! Bush made a phunney! Yesterday he criticizes Congress for recessing, today he makes a recess appointment.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:10 am

Well politics in DC as usual.

Given his track record, the people the President appointed to positions, or on the other side of that coin the lack of replacing those who show incompetence at their positions, it's hard to believe some still think this President has credibility on the matter.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 14):
But he doesn't have anymore elections to win, the democrats do.

True, he may not personally have more to win, but what he does will reflect upon future elections. Many moderate, or independent voters may vote Democratic because of the fall outs of this administration.

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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:15 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 17):
Hahahahaha! Bush made a phunney! Yesterday he criticizes Congress for recessing, today he makes a recess appointment.

To say nothing of lambasting Pelosi's "photo op" in Syria only days after McCain's tightly-guarded stroll through Baghdad provided an example of the "improvements" in Iraq that nobody is talking about. Most of us can tell they're all playing the same game; it'd be nice if they'd respect our intelligence every once in awhile.
 
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:16 am

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 16):
Regardless of which party is in power, the other party does what it can to undermine the other. If you keep thinking this way, then so will they.

Here's the thing CastleIsland, and we have the stats to prove it:

Under Reagan with a Democrat lead Congress, 243 Recess Appointments, in 8 years.

Under George Bush with a Democrat lead Congress, 77 in 4 years. (Thats a pace of 154 over 8 years)

Under Bill Clinton with a Republican lead Congress, 139

George W. Bush with a Republican majority for most of his Presidency still had to use this 106 times over 6 years.

So what do the numbers tell us? When Democrats are in power they always ask for bipartisanship, and according to these numbers they get it. When Republicans are in power that call for bipartisanship goes out the window and the numbers show it.

It was easier for Bill Clinton to get who he wanted in position under a Republican Congress than three Republican Presidents could even when Republicans had a slim majority. Why is that do you think?
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:20 am

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 20):
Under Reagan with a Democrat lead Congress, 243 Recess Appointments, in 8 years.

If I remember right a couple of years the Republicans controlled the US Senate during the Reagan administration, and that's the advise and consent part of Congress.
 
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:21 am

It happens all the time. The previous president did it as well. Ambassadors are political appointees.


Clinton appoints first openly gay ambassador

June 4, 1999

WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, June 4) -- President Bill Clinton Friday used his recess appointment privilege to name James Hormel as ambassador to Luxembourg. Clinton's move was in direct defiance of the Senate's GOP leadership who have refused to confirm Hormel because he is openly gay.


http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/06/04/hormel/
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:36 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 8):
Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
Pretty good "strategery" for the "village idiot".

Truly as cunning a statesman as any. He sure showed them!

This whole thing is just a pissing contest between Kerry and Bush over what really is an insignificant appointment (no offense to Belgium). Bush wins the pissing contest... What a waste of time all around...

Quoting Rara (Reply 12):
As someone who helped Bush win the second term, Fox will have a very warm welcome in Belgium as ambassador.

I hope he'll enjoy his time.

I'm sure he will....
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:50 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 23):
I don't think he, Pope, MDorbust and RJxdxer are any smarter than that, on an emoitional level. They're so worried about covering up for Republicans, no matter what they do, or how they do it, that they can't use the brain that God gave them to think through the situation on partisian politics. I really don't. They're incapable of coming out of their partisian shell, even for a minute, and analyzing something without bias. It's not in their makeup.

You know Falcon, I keep trying to listen to Pep when he says that you are an upstanding guy.. But all I see from you is  redflag . I don't know what the hell he sees in you, because you are full of it.

If you were with us at the BHM meet you would know just how partisan I am. Ask N1120A about it. I talked with him about my votes that year.

Perhaps if you could for one second rectify your anal cranial inversion you might remember that I am the guy who posted the complete Republic/Democrat/Independant list of corrupt polititians before last years elections.

I am absolutely sick of the garbage you spread in any thread regarding politics Falcon. Read my post chowderhead. Where did I type a single word positive about the Republican party. You know what, don't even bother. You aren't worth the waste of time anymore.

Fall off into oblivion for all I care.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:53 am

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 20):
Why is that do you think?

That both sides are obstructionists, and statistically, over the past 27 years, the Dems have been more so. That doesn't change the fact that both sides do it. If one side is full of it, the other side (Dems) is more full of it, at least in terms of appointments. I've no problem with that (by that, I mean the conclusion, not the reality). So, I'm not defending the Dems. Read on for why:

At the end of the day, I align myself with the Dems platform stances, and not with the GOPs. Partly, this is due to the far right wing of the GOP that has a voice and representation that sullies true conservatism. But that's a reality we all have to accept like so many others. Even regardless of the far right, I really don't mind paying for health care for those who do not have it (let's face it, I'm a socialist when it comes to healthcare, and I don't think that means we have to be burdened by that, if adminstered properly). I don't like all of the left's positions (particularly lax immigration), but I'd rather the Gov't attempt to help people than adopt the other position of "charity wil take care of that." While most southern states lead the nation in charity despite being generally less affluent, I would think that these donations are to folks like Joel Osteen, Jerry Falwell, and perhaps some legitimate churches. I just don't think that charity does the job. I also hate welfare abuse. Damn, if I adminstered welfare, people would get help, and abusers would be jailed (yes, whole new set of issues). Sorry to generalize, but there you have it.

Bottom line, I do not like the Dems much, but I like the GOP even less. C'est la vie.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:05 am

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 26):

Fair enough.

I disagree, with you, but you're reasons are the most cogent and least partisan of anything I've seen from those who lean left on airliners.net.

I agree that both side are obstructionist. On the other hand I'm in favor of a certain amount of obstructionism. The Founding fathers built the government to be inefficient for a reason.. Efficiency in government leads to tyranny. (Just listen to Hugo Chavez) The tyranny of the majority is just as bad as the tyranny of one.

But as you admitted the Democrats started this culture of tit for tat. It worked for them, so why would they stop?
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:07 am

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 26):
Bottom line, I do not like the Dems much, but I like the GOP even less. C'est la vie.

It depends what day it is which party I dislike more.... I am proud that as a registered voter for more than 30 years, I've never belonged to a political party....
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:17 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 25):
You know Falcon, I keep trying to listen to Pep when he says that you are an upstanding guy.. But all I see from you is . I don't know what the hell he sees in you, because you are full of it.

Calling like I see them, my friend. All I ever see of you on here is defending Republicans against Democrats. I don't see anything else. Again, as I've said, if I see you with the opposite stance, maybe I'll change my tune, but I haven't seen it. Sorry.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 25):
Perhaps if you could for one second rectify your anal cranial

And where do you think such language will get you? Do you think it will affect my opinion? Sorry. From what I read, that's the conclusion I come to.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 25):
I am the guy who posted the complete Republic/Democrat/Independant list of corrupt polititians before last years elections.

Don't remember it. I'll look for it sometime. And be that as it may, it doesn't mean you don't overwhelmingly favor the GOP, which, of course, you do on here.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 25):
I am absolutely sick of the garbage you spread in any thread regarding politics Falcon.

Then don't read it. Simple as that. I have a right to my view; you have a right to dissent from it.

As for your rant at the end, grow up a little, my friend. Again, I simply call it as I see it. Until I see you start to lean in other directions, I'll continue to post that opinion about you.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:05 am

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 20):
So what do the numbers tell us? When Democrats are in power they always ask for bipartisanship, and according to these numbers they get it. When Republicans are in power that call for bipartisanship goes out the window and the numbers show it.

It was easier for Bill Clinton to get who he wanted in position under a Republican Congress than three Republican Presidents could even when Republicans had a slim majority. Why is that do you think?

Why are you equating the President getting his way with bipartisanship? These statistics don't necessarily show that Democrats are more partisan than Republicans in confirming appointments. I could just as easily look at those numbers and say that Clinton must have chosen people who were more acceptable to Republicans, since more of his appointees were confirmed without resorting to recess appointments. It's probably some combination of the two factors.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:28 am

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
outflanked the Dems

Dude, my problem here is you make it sound like W is some kind of brilliant strategist. KKKarl Rove told him he could do it so he did, thumbing his nose @ millions of Americans YET again. Why you make this seem like some kind of monumental victory (or loss) is befuddling. Some asshole who paid a lot of money to help W win; gets a job whether congress likes it or not: whoopty effing doo!!! Clinton did this kind of crap too, it's another reason both parties look like morons when they have to weasel around the rules.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:40 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 32):
KKKarl Rove told him he could do it so he did, thumbing his nose @ millions of Americans YET again.

Actually, he's only thumbing his nose at John Kerry, but you've got a valid point...

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 32):
it's another reason both parties look like morons when they have to weasel around the rules.

And both parties look more like that every day...
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:57 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
With Bush's approval rating the way it is, he's fighting from behind on that one.

Believe it or not, The public's approval rating of Congress is even lower than Bush's!

CONGRESS – Favorable Job Rating
Fox/Opinion Dynamics: 30%
Gallup: 28%

http://www.pollingreport.com/index.html

Quoting PA110 (Reply 10):
Bush has lost all credibility. I could care less what scumbag backroom buddy he appoints to Belgium. He's already shown how much of an ass he is over the criticism of Pelosi's visit to Syria. Funny, he was all over her trip like stink on shit, but said absolutely nothing whatsoever about 3 Republicans visiting Syria.

There is a big difference between some nobody in the house going to Syria and the Speaker of the House, second in line to the presidency itself.

Of course in my opinion, none of them should be going there. The Constitution says that foreign policy is 100% the responsibility of the President, and Congress should keep their noses out of it, apart from their constitutional mandates (oversight, treaty approval etc.)
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:14 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 23):
Where did he mention "Speakers"? Three Republicans did a similar trip, this weekend, and not a word or criticism from the White House, or righties without gonads like yourself, afraid to critisize Mr. Bush. Yet Ms. Pelosi goes, and people like you and the WH find critisicm in it.

He didn't. You, in your own little world of personal rage against the President, evidently missed the sarcasm. I did not criticize her going there. She is free to travel where and when she pleases. But you are, as he was, equating 3 republican somebodies whom neither of you even bother to name since they are ostensibly such small fish with the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, which is a different matter altogether. They, the 3 Congressmen, however made it clear they did not go representing the administration or with any agenda outside of the administrations. Speaker Pelosi cannot say the same. She seems to have forgotten that the Constitution gives the Executive Branch charge of foreign policy and gives the Senate a hand in it when it comes to ratifying treaties. The House is limited to:

regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;


So Falcon, which of those things was she doing with Assad?


BTW, here is the story of the 3 little Congressmen whose names you couldn't remember.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070405/ap_on_go_co/republicans_syria_2

Speaker Pelosi might want to heed the words of the White House spokesperson before she gets to full of herself.

"We discourage all visits to Syria because it's a state sponsor of terror," he said. "A lot of officials have gone, and it hasn't changed the Syrians' behavior."
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:16 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 34):
The Constitution says that foreign policy is 100% the responsibility of the President,

Please quote where it says this.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:21 pm

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 16):
We need cooperation in DC

 rotfl 

...oh John. You get back to AUS quick. I owe you a weiner!  Wow!

Bring Pelosi back from Syria too with that cooperation koolaid.  yes 
 
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:24 pm

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 27):
On the other hand I'm in favor of a certain amount of obstructionism. The Founding fathers built the government to be inefficient for a reason.. Efficiency in government leads to tyranny. (Just listen to Hugo Chavez) The tyranny of the majority is just as bad as the tyranny of one.

There is an important distinction to be drawn between trying to stop legislation that one feels their constituency would not agree with, and just playing dirty pool for the sake of blocking the other parties actions.

The former is not obstructionist, in my view, it's legitimate objectivilism (I've no doubt invented a word here).  Smile
Unfortunately, this is not typically why the blocking happens. Suffice to say, obstructionism says to me, "I'm gonna block this just because I can screw up the other side." I hate that, on both sides.

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 27):
But as you admitted the Democrats started this culture of tit for tat. It worked for them, so why would they stop?

I'm not so sure I did do that, but I will admit that both sides make me want to wretch. Is that good enough? Wink
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:38 pm

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 36):
But you are, as he was, equating 3 republican somebodies whom neither of you even bother to name since they are ostensibly such small fish with the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, which is a different matter altogether.

I named them-in another thread. Here's the thread:

http://airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/1573291/

Here's where I named them, with a link to the article:

It only is acceptable if you call GOP Representatives Frank Wolf, Joe Pitts and Robert Aderholt traitors also. Because those gentlemen met with Assad THIS PAST SUNDAY.

http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles...33409990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

And how is it DIFFERENT that 3 members of Congress-three members of the PRESIDENT'S OWN PARTY can go, without any nasty words, but the Speaker goes-and says she will only talk about points she agrees with the President on-and the President goes ape shit?

Again: double standard, and pure, unadulterated hypocritical bullshit.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:45 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 40):
I named them-in another thread. Here's the thread:

http://airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/1573291/

Here's where I named them, with a link to the article:

It only is acceptable if you call GOP Representatives Frank Wolf, Joe Pitts and Robert Aderholt traitors also. Because those gentlemen met with Assad THIS PAST SUNDAY.

http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles...33409990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

And how is it DIFFERENT that 3 members of Congress-three members of the PRESIDENT'S OWN PARTY can go, without any nasty words, but the Speaker goes-and says she will only talk about points she agrees with the President on-and the President goes ape shit?

Again: double standard, and pure, unadulterated hypocritical bullshit.

Ouch, that's devestating to your world view RJ.

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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:03 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 40):
I named them-in another thread. Here's the thread:

Well I'm in this thread. As usual you are light on sourcing. If I'm going to bring something from another thread to this one, I quote the link up front. But as you have shown in the past, you aren't quite up to that.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 40):
Speaker goes-and says she will only talk about points she agrees with the President on-and the President goes ape shit?

But she didn't did she?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070405/...;_ylt=ArBSHJmHjbGGsy51h4jatmqyFz4D

And your level of ape shit must be a lot lower than mine. Since in Reply 23, thats where you went:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 23):
He looks like a petty, sore, arrogant loser, which, of course, we all know, is exactly what he is.

Never mind that the Constitution states:
Section 2 - Civilian Power over Military, Cabinet, Pardon Power, Appointments

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

So he was only doing what he is Constitutionally granted the power to do. Funny how that Constitution works isn't it?

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 41):
Don't worry, look around and I'm sure someone will tell you what to say.

Considering that at times you don't even have the smarts to do that, your best bet in many cases is just to follow the old adage, better to remain quiet and let them think you a fool than to say something and confirm it.

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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:18 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
Spot on!

Let's wait and see what happens with any legislation the "village idiot"* attempts to have passed!

W has sent the mentally challanged (formerly referred to as retarded) back by 50 years.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:01 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 35):
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 34):
Believe it or not, The public's approval rating of Congress is even lower than Bush's!

CONGRESS – Favorable Job Rating
Fox/Opinion Dynamics: 30%
Gallup: 28%

FOX News. Fair and balanced-to Republicans.

Ah, yes.

Well, if you look past the FOX poll, you will notice the Gallup poll is lower. Maybe you shouldn't cry bullsh!t every time you see the words "FOX News".  yes 

Go to this link and see the poll numbers recently from many different sources, they aren't good. They aren't necessarily lower than Bush's but they are never much higher.

http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:58 pm

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 40):
Considering that at times you don't even have the smarts to do that, your best bet in many cases is just to follow the old adage, better to remain quiet and let them think you a fool than to say something and confirm it.

And you confirm it...over and over.

I notice how you have absolutly no explanation for anything Falcon posted, instead you just concentrate on insults.

Cause, let's face it, that's all you have here.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:13 pm

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 37):
There is an important distinction to be drawn between trying to stop legislation that one feels their constituency would not agree with, and just playing dirty pool for the sake of blocking the other parties actions.

Agreed... which is why it makes me upset that the Democrats in Congress have been playing this obstructionist game to qualified judges and the like for close to 30 years. It has gone well beyond any Constitutional claim. It's pure politics yet they are constantly looking for bi-partisanship in the media, painting the Republicans as the obstructionists.

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 42):
Well, if you look past the FOX poll, you will notice the Gallup poll is lower. Maybe you shouldn't cry bullsh!t every time you see the words "FOX News".

LOL That's just funny. Anything from Fox must be wrong. Even when the news coming from them is better for the Dems. The hypocrisy is astonishing.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:30 pm

Pretty freaking sad if this is Bush's best move to uh, "out flank" the Democrats. He appoints a crony as US Ambassador to Belgium? That's it? That's his best shot? The sad thing is, he's not even bright enough to come up with something as lame as this on his own. He was undoubtedly led into this move by Rove. I wouldn't be surprised if, after Rove made the suggestion, Bush responded with something like, "I can do that"? Yeah, this is truly a major blow to the Democrats.
 
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:34 pm

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 35):
Please quote where it says this.

Article II of the Constitution says the president has the power to:

- make treaties with other countries (with consent of the Senate),
- appoint ambassadors to other countries (with consent of the Senate)
- and receive ambassadors from other countries

Article II also establishes the president as commander-in-chief of the military, which gives him a lot of control over how the United States interacts with the world. As Clausewitz said, "War is the continuation of diplomacy by other means."

In the days when the Constitution was written, Congressmen could not hop on a plane for a junket around the world. Nor could ambassadors call home for advice on every issue. The Ambassador in each country was therefore fully responsible as virtually the only means of contact with another government. And Article II expressly says that the President chooses the ambassador (and implies that the Ambassador will say what the President wants him to say). He is also the only person expressly authorized to recieve Ambassadors from other countries. The direct implication is that the President is completely in charge of foreign policy.

The Senate may approve his choice, but the Senate cannot choose an Ambassador over the wishes of the President, even if they vote 100-0. Note alse that the SENATE has these oversight/approval responsibilities. Pelosi is Speaker of the House of Representatives, which has no such role.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:36 pm

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 45):
Yeah, this is truly a major blow to the Democrats.

Quite. It now means Republicans will have first dibs on all the best chocolate.

BTW, did anyone else notice that after Bush criticized Congress for going on "spring break", that he hopped onto Air Force One for a politico stop at Ft. Irwin, followed by a "break" for the Easter holiday in Crawford, TX? Hopefully, they'll be serving Godivas with the coffee after dinner on Sunday.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:56 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 47):
BTW, did anyone else notice that after Bush criticized Congress for going on "spring break", that he hopped onto Air Force One for a politico stop at Ft. Irwin, followed by a "break" for the Easter holiday in Crawford, TX? Hopefully, they'll be serving Godivas with the coffee after dinner on Sunday.

Difference is that the POTUS can carry out his constitutional duties from anywhere in the world. He could be lying in bed in Tahiti and still fully execute the duties and responsibilities of his office. Congress can only function as a legislative body when they are in session.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:08 pm

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 43):
And you confirm it...over and over.

When you can come up with something besides "I know you are but what am I" get back to me.

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 43):
I notice how you have absolutly no explanation for anything Falcon posted

In the meantime how about actually reading the posts.
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RE: W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment

Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:14 pm

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 43):
I notice how you have absolutly no explanation for anything Falcon posted, instead you just concentrate on insults.

Coming from you that's hysterical.

B777-700 that's all you do! Rolling smiley faces and insults. I've never seen you refute anything someone else has asserted.

When challenged to do so you run away.

Credibility, B777-700... you have none.
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