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Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:48 am

Hey all,

Its coming up to the point were i have to get a car, Its my fist, and i want it to be something that will hold me for a couple years, and wanted your opinion.I am going to be 16 in a couple months and have 9 grand saved up for a car.
here are my choices:

2000-2003 Volkswagen Passat Wagon
1997-2001 Volvo V70
2002-2004 Nissan Altima

I would appreciate anyone input.

Thanks,
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:54 am

I would lean toward a Nissan Altima with the V6.....
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:00 am

V70 is a great car!  Smile
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:02 am

First you have to decide whether you want a wagon or not. That's something you have to decide for yourself based on what needs you have, but I will say that when it comes to moving a boatload of stuff to or from college, it's hard to beat a wagon - being able to fit all my stuff into my V70 last summer (and since it was my last year there, I mean ALL my stuff) saved me a lot of money, since I didn't have to pay out the ass for a U-Haul trailer (and hitch).

You can't really go very wrong with those choices, but since I have one, and have taken several long-distance drives in it, I'd go for the Volvo. Sure, it's not the most sylish thing out there, but it's extremely comfortable inside, and it performs pretty well. But the VW may be a good option as well - there weren't any that really met my requirements when I was in the market, so I didn't have the opportunity to really explore them. I'd let the Altima go, but that's just my preference - I like European cars.

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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:10 am

Ya i have been trying to find a car that fits me well. I wanted a SUV for a while but then decided that i want something lower to the ground and that was more fuel efficient. I really want the size of the SUV and then it hit me, what about a wagon. I will carry alot of stuff with me and going on trips. I will carry a latter and alot of crap so the more space the maier. I will also be adding many After market performance parts and both of these cars carry that ability.

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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:24 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
Sure, it's not the most sylish thing out there

I disagree. Until the Magnum came along, the Volvos were the best looking wagons out there  Smile
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:32 am

I have a 1999 Volvo V70 wagon, and I've been thinking it's about time to get something newer, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with the car. It is solid, doesn't rattle and drives really good. It is pretty thirsty, though. Also, if I remember correctly, the V70 kept the Volvo chassis when Ford bought them in January 1999. The newer type Volvos are built around a Ford Focus chassis. Now, how exciting can that be?
 
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:46 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 5):
Until the Magnum came along, the Volvos were the best looking wagons out there

By that logic, the Volvo is still the best looking wagon out there. Magnum =  vomit 

I prefer the looks of the Passat though.

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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:50 am

VW or Volvo

nissan sucks
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:59 am

I just rented a Volvo V50 here in AMS. Its damn nice for what it is.
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:20 am

Quoting RIXrat (Reply 6):
I have a 1999 Volvo V70 wagon

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Quoting RIXrat (Reply 6):
there is absolutely nothing wrong with the car

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Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
I'd go for the Volvo. Sure, it's not the most sylish thing out there, but it's extremely comfortable inside, and it performs pretty well

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I've owned five Volvos over the last 20 or so years, and they are great cars.
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:26 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 2):
V70 is a great car!

 checkmark  Go with the Volvo.  Smile
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:40 am

All three of them are decent choices to be honest. I would be a careful about buying an older Volvo (or any older car for that matter).... not b/c it is a Volvo but more that older cars tend to have bigger repair bills when things fail or need to be replaced. Though if you find a well cared for example I would not hesitate to buy it. Boxy Volvo wagons are good looking, practical vehicles. While it may not get you laid in college, it will be useful for hauling stuff and people around comfortably.

While I like Volkswagens I would be a bit leery of a B5.5 Passat. There are enough known issues with those cars (coil packs on the 1.8T equipped cars, window regulators) that I would be careful on which one I picked. My brother owns a 2003 Passat wagon and it has been trouble-free. But these cars has known issues that you need to watch out for. Again a well-maintained example is worth spending more money for.

With both the Volvo and VW I would highly recommend that you find a good independent shop that specializes in that particular make. Finding one in your neck of the woods wouldn't be much of a problem.

The Altima is a nice car and probably a bit more exciting to drive than the usual Camcords. There are some issues with the 2.5 litre 4-cylinder models that you should familiarize yourself with. A well kept model with the V6 is a no-brainer. The VQ35DE is one of the best V6s out there. Powerful, reliable, and award winning.



Just to offer some more advice. With $9k there are two ways you can go. Find the newest cheapest car you can get for your money that will offer some sort of warranty coverage. Or spend a fair bit of extra time and find that older, original owner, well maintained car from a private party seller. Avoid the seemingly very nice, high-end vehicle, being sold dirt cheap. There is a reason for it, and you don't want to inherit the previous owners mess.
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:42 am

Quoting Runway777 (Reply 8):
VW or Volvo

nissan sucks

 checkmark  My roommate has a 2002 Altima 3.5 SE with 20,000kms. Now I have a 2002 Jetta 1.8T (Mexican not German) with 100,000kms and my car is in about the same shape as his, and we both drive the cars hard sometimes. The Atlima IMO is crap its filled with plastic its steering is crap its has no connection with the road at all, where as my car has a WAY better feel on the road then his. Overall though I would go with the Volvo I am looking at buying a new S40 T5 (A bit more power (and a 6 speed gear box) and looks much nicer IMO), anyways good luck with your choices if you go for the VW or the Volvo I am sure you are going to be happy.
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:48 am

Quoting Md11fan (Thread starter):
2000-2003 Volkswagen Passat Wagon
1997-2001 Volvo V70

Not to discourage you man, but these two vehicles are a surefire way to become the laughing stock of the parking lot.

What is it about the Altima that you like say over an Accord, or other comprable mid size sedan?

Are you planning to finance? If not, good luck finding a decent model of any of the the three you listed.

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 1):
Nissan Altima with the V6.....

With $9,000 to spend?   

Quoting Runway777 (Reply 8):
nissan sucks

Oh wow, what a big kid you are! Full of thoughts and willing to back them up. Grow up.

Edited for spelling.

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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:46 am



You might want to consider the new VW Rabbit:



They cost about $15,000, and come nicely equipped. With a $9000 down payment, you'd only be financing the remaining $6000. Your payments would probably be well under $100 per month.


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Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:21 am

I'd go for either the Volvo or Volkswagen. Nissan's are great cars, but the Altima's interior is made up of very cheap materials and wear out quickly. I've had 2 Passat's (neither TDi) and were great cars.
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:47 am

Well I know you did not list this as a choice but get a used Nissan Xterra. Best SUV for the money and is built on a truck chassis so it actually operates and handles like a truck (meaning you can actually go off road).

I have owned a lot of cars in my short driving life and the Xterra has been perhaps my favorite. Zero problems so far.
 
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:50 am

Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 17):
Well I know you did not list this as a choice but get a used Nissan Xterra.

With that I have to agree, the Xterra is an extremely well built and rugged little SUV. It is a bit crowded inside, but it's a great little vehicle.
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:09 am

Hmm 2H4 you bring up a very good point, I would be nice to have a New car! But huh i couldn't finance it by myself could I.
 
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:16 am

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 14):
Not to discourage you man, but these two vehicles are a surefire way to become the laughing stock of the parking lot.

Why is that?
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:21 am




Quoting ATLAaron (Reply 17):
Well I know you did not list this as a choice but get a used Nissan Xterra.

Nice truck, but the additional fuel cost would almost amount to a monthly payment on a modestly-priced new car....




Quoting Md11fan (Reply 19):
Hmm 2H4 you bring up a very good point, I would be nice to have a New car! But huh i couldn't finance it by myself could I.

Just have a relative co-sign. No big deal. Also, remember that because it's a new car, you might be eligible for low APRs. I paid more for my new GTI than I had planned on, but it sure is nice to have a zero-mile car with a full warranty....


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Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:24 am

I know this is a stupid Question, but everytime i see a car comerical they always say APR 0.0. or 1.6 what in the hell is APR could someone shed some light on that!

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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:46 am

You will need more then 9 grand for a decent car.
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:41 am

Quoting Jutes85 (Reply 23):
You will need more then 9 grand for a decent car

True.

But what about a Jetta Wagon instead of a passat?
All I know is when I turned 16 a whole 1 1/2 years ago I did not think about ever driving a station wagon. I would drive a coupe sport car, a smalll sedan or an SUV and even a pickup but a staion wagon for a 16 year old? I just dont see the point. Sure you might have to carry alot of stuff but do you really want to drive a station wagon. Ever think about a pickup truck with the money you spend on gas you can save on insurance because pickups are really cheap to insure. SUV is not very economical, I know, I just spent $70.00 filling up my SUV last night at the gas station. But a station wagon? If I had to drive a station wagon in a lower price range it would be a VW Jetta Wagon. Somewhat cool unlike the 35 year old momther passat wagon. Not really any cars I can think of around 9,000 that I would drive that have alot of room and are ecconomical. When I think of a nice $9,000 car I think of an 98-99 Land Rover Discovery V8. Thats a good buy but you get 12mpg and repairs might be alot if the car breaks alot which is almost a given. So I say look for a nice Jetta or Jetta Wagon. Stay AWAY from Volvo your 16 not 40 with two kids. Nissan I really dont know anything about it. I like to stay with German cars.
Other cars that just come up in my mind.
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:47 am

Why did the spell check not work for my above post?

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 14):
Not to discourage you man, but these two vehicles are a surefire way to become the laughing stock of the parking lot.

Exactly! There are no station wagons in my school parking lot. Just not a very cool car I cant stress this enough. Having a nice car or atleast not having a station wagon is always a plus.
Now if you want a cool big VW get one of these babies. This will get you some  Wink
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:21 am




Quoting Md11fan (Reply 22):
I know this is a stupid Question, but everytime i see a car comerical they always say APR 0.0. or 1.6 what in the hell is APR could someone shed some light on that!

APR stands for Annual Percentage Rate. A loan with an APR of 0% is basically a free loan. If you borrow $10,000, you'll end up paying back $10,000.

A loan with an APR of 5%, on the other hand, will charge you 5% of the outstanding balance annually. You're paying for the privilege of borrowing the bank's money.


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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:55 pm

The Volkswagen Passat Wagon has the best looks of the three (specially the 2000 model, I like it much more than the present one), I would pick that one.
A friend of mine had the V70 wagon, it was quite comfortable but ugly and underpowered.
I know of no one that has an Altima, but it looks undistinguished to me.
 
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:36 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 15):
You might want to consider the new VW Rabbit:

I don't think it fits his criteria. Nice car though. Did it replace the Golf?

Quoting Md11fan (Reply 4):
I will carry a latter and alot of crap so the more space the maier.



Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 24):
you can make it look like a police car and scare people on the road all the time

How mature. Then you get pulled over by the real cops Big grin
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Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:44 pm




Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 28):
I don't think it fits his criteria. Nice car though. Did it replace the Golf?

Yeah, it wouldn't be exactly what he had in mind, but I don't think it would be very far off. You can get a four-door version, and it would be more spacious (and far more substantial) than the Altima. The Rabbit did indeed replace the Golf.


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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:37 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 20):
Why is that?

... are you kidding?


Personally, I'd stay away from the VW. My brother had a Golf hatchback, and it gave him nothing but trouble. You say you need space - have you considered a Scion xB? While it's styling runs a bit on the  scared  ugly side (though I guess that's of no object if you're considering station wagons  Wink), it has an enormous amount of room and great gas mileage. There are plenty of examples on eBay motors, with 20-25k miles, that are in your price range.
 
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:55 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 28):
Did it replace the Golf?



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 29):
The Rabbit did indeed replace the Golf.

No, the Rabbit did not replace the Gold. The Rabbit is the Golf 5, however, VW in North America has decided to put the Rabbit nameplate for our market. Everywhere else in the world it is still know as the Golf and has been around since 2003 in Europe.

Quoting Trav110 (Reply 30):
... are you kidding?

No I'm not. Why is that?
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:12 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 31):
No I'm not. Why is that?

The kid's a high-schooler, who's getting his first car. Everybody wants to have the coolest ride, it's just an immature-ish social stigma for that age (granted I'd imagine he'd be secure with his car choice whatever it may be - being that he paid for it himself.) Station wagons just aren't "cool" at 16.
 
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting Trav110 (Reply 32):
The kid's a high-schooler, who's getting his first car. Everybody wants to have the coolest ride, it's just an immature-ish social stigma for that age (granted I'd imagine he'd be secure with his car choice whatever it may be - being that he paid for it himself.) Station wagons just aren't "cool" at 16.

A ride is as cool as one can make it, there are plenty of station wagons out there that have been done up (with out spending lots of money) and look much sweeter then many other cars that are much "cooler".

Now, you said yourself that "he'd be secure with his car choice whatever it may be - being that he paid for it himself", yet yourself and a few other members have been pointing out that his vehicle picks (at least 2 of them) would make him the "laughing stock of the parking lot".

First of all, he'll have his own car, that's more then most of the students have. That alone will make him somewhat popular (even though that's not the point). Are there going to be some kids who laugh at a station wagon? Sure there will be, but those will be the same kids who laugh regardless of what vehicle one chooses. That's part of school life, most of us have been through that already.

Anyway, the thread starter asked for opinions on 3 cars that he has chosen, which shows that he's got some smarts. I think it's great that other members give him suggestions for other cars available, but remarks such as these ....

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 14):
Not to discourage you man, but these two vehicles are a surefire way to become the laughing stock of the parking lot.



Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 24):
ll I know is when I turned 16 a whole 1 1/2 years ago I did not think about ever driving a station wagon. I would drive a coupe sport car, a smalll sedan or an SUV and even a pickup but a staion wagon for a 16 year old? I just dont see the point. Sure you might have to carry alot of stuff but do you really want to drive a station wagon



Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 24):
But a station wagon? If I had to drive a station wagon in a lower price range it would be a VW Jetta Wagon. Somewhat cool unlike the 35 year old momther passat wagon. Not really any cars I can think of around 9,000 that I would drive that have alot of room and are ecconomical.



Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 25):
Exactly! There are no station wagons in my school parking lot. Just not a very cool car I cant stress this enough. Having a nice car or atleast not having a station wagon is always a plus.

.... are true words of a child who thinks he knows what he's talking about, but he doesn't.
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:03 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 33):

Now, you said yourself that "he'd be secure with his car choice whatever it may be - being that he paid for it himself", yet yourself and a few other members have been pointing out that his vehicle picks (at least 2 of them) would make him the "laughing stock of the parking lot".

I never said that, I simply clarified FlyMIA and JetsGo's point of views as I had interpreted it. When I said station wagons weren't "cool", I was speaking representatively of the opinions of the majority of people my age, hence the quotations. What I think is "cool" and what others think is "cool" is probably very different, it's just a subjective label.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 33):
First of all, he'll have his own car, that's more then most of the students have.

You'd be suprised.

Either way, I highly doubt he's going to get shit from anybody just because of what he drives. He should pick what's best for him both financially and realistically, and not bend at the opinions of others.


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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:08 am

I have actually used a Volvo station wagon in the last two years.

My mother bought a used V70 wagon back in 2005, and she and I both LOVE it! When I do make my rare trips home to the USA from England, I use her Volvo wagon about as much as I use my Bonneville (we share our cars). |Our V70 wagon is both stylish and utterly practical.

So, even though I'm "only" 32, I love the Volvo wagons because of their sheer practicality and yet they have style along with it. Our Volvo wagon is very useful--especially for lugging me to the airport with all my luggage (for my frequent US-UK-US trips), grocery shopping, and whenever else we need to hall stuff or kids. The dogs fit in the back nicely (behind a screen of course)!

I also consider a station wagon to be my dream car--because it's nostalgic but even more, very practical.

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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:11 am

Quoting Trav110 (Reply 34):
never said that, I simply clarified FlyMIA and JetsGo's point of views as I had interpreted it. When I said station wagons weren't "cool", I was speaking representatively of the opinions of the majority of people my age, hence the quotations. What I think is "cool" and what others think is "cool" is probably very different, it's just a subjective label.

My apologies, I was reading 2 screens at once.

Quoting Trav110 (Reply 34):
You'd be suprised.

My (ex) girlfriend has 3 kids in high school, so I'm in the parking lots almost every weekday.

Quoting Trav110 (Reply 34):
Either way, I highly doubt he's going to get shit from anybody just because of what he drives. He should pick what's best for him both financially and realistically, and not bend at the opinions of others.

Agreed.
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:28 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 33):
.... are true words of a child who thinks he knows what he's talking about, but he doesn't.

Right, so from one sentence, you are able to gather enough information to make a sweeping generalization like that? Listen, I think you are the one who is unaware of what you are talking about. We didn't insult him, call him a girl, or any of that, just offered our takes.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 33):
have been done up (with out spending lots of money) and look much sweeter then many other cars that are much "cooler".

Total opinion. Furthermore, your opinion is probably not in line with many high schoolers.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 33):
make him the "laughing stock of the parking lot".

If he is secure enough with himself, that is great. Makes him a better guy then the rest. But you can't argue the truth.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 33):
That alone will make him somewhat popular

Kids don't care who actually owns the car. They just care about the car itself. Also don't forget you have to be 18 to legally own a car, which he is not. So technically while he pays for it, it will still be his parents.

The point is ACDC8, no body here insulted him talked down to him as you seem to believe. It is perfectly fine to offering differing opinions. I am sure he is secure if he is looking at these cars; I am also sure that he won't get shit to his face for it. But people in the parking lot will stare, point, and some people will laugh. It is an unarguable fact. Station wagons just aren't the norm for high school kids. And by saying that, again I am not discouraging him. If it suits his needs so be it. You know very well where Trav, MIA, and myself are coming from.
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:14 am




Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 31):
No, the Rabbit did not replace the Golf.

As you pointed out, it has in the US market......the market to which I was referring.  Wink


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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:59 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 33):
.. are true words of a child who thinks he knows what he's talking about, but he doesn't.

First don’t say I don’t know what I am talking about. Because I am a kid, I am only 17 years old. I know how the world is right now for a kid in high school because I am one. How do I have no idea what I am talking about?

I am not saying these are bad cars. I love VW I think any VW can be made into a nice car. But if I drove a Volvo Station Wagon or a plain VW Passat Wagon to school every day and on the weekends which I paid for myself than people will question what the hell was I thinking. Why am I driving a station wagon at 16 years old. And that’s how it is in High School at least on the East Coast and I don’t think it is much different in California either. Station Wagons are just not "cool" cars for a 16 year old. Again though you could make a VW Passat Wagon pretty cool with some body kits and some engine performance add ons. But If you going to spend that much money on that why not just get a car that’s a little bit nicer and "cooler" that does not need a lot of add ons. (unless you are going to enjoy moding up your car)
I say if you really want a wagon go for a Jetta Wagon. But stay away from Volvo.

Quoting Trav110 (Reply 34):
Either way, I highly doubt he's going to get shit from anybody just because of what he drives. He should pick what's best for him both financially and realistically, and not bend at the opinions of others.

That is true, I just putting a little bit of another view point into the perspective. But without any opinions go with the VW.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 33):
First of all, he'll have his own car, that's more then most of the students have.

Well here in Miami a lot of kids have cars. And they don’t just have any car, at many of the private schools and even some of the public schools kids will be driving Audi A4's G35's A lot of BMW 325s and a lot of Jettas. Oh I also have a few friends that drive M5's M3's E55 SL65. Those are the cars a lot of kids are driving in the major cities in the United States. (Yes obviously these are the upper middle class to upper class kids) Almost all of my friends have cars and no I don’t know many lower class kids which cant afford to have a car, I know there is a large population out there that cant afford to have their own car but MD11Fan is from Newport Beach where the median income for a household in the city was $83,455. So I don’t think he is dealing with many lower class kids either.
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:02 pm

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 37):
Right, so from one sentence, you are able to gather enough information to make a sweeping generalization like that? Listen, I think you are the one who is unaware of what you are talking about. We didn't insult him, call him a girl, or any of that, just offered our takes.

There were more then one sentence(s), read my post again. I'm fully aware of what I'm talking about. I never stated that anyone insulted anyone. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, likes and dislikes. However, the remarks I highlighted were pure rubbish and childlike in nature. If you or anyone doesn't like station wagons, for whatever reason, that's great, voice your opinion, but don't go out and make ridiculous statements.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 37):
Total opinion. Furthermore, your opinion is probably not in line with many high schoolers.

Yes, it is my opinion. And your opinion is probably not in line with many high schoolers either.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 37):
If he is secure enough with himself, that is great. Makes him a better guy then the rest. But you can't argue the truth.

If by truth you are referring to students who drive an "uncool" car to and from school, then you need to open your eyes and ears more often.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 37):
Kids don't care who actually owns the car. They just care about the car itself

Most kids just care that they have a car period! Sure there are a few out there who may think that they need to be driving the coolest car around in order to be part of a group, but there are also those who think you need to own an import or domestic to be part of their group. Bottom line is, as long as you have wheels, that's what matters the most.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 37):
Also don't forget you have to be 18 to legally own a car, which he is not. So technically while he pays for it, it will still be his parents.

Fortunately, up here you don't. But that's neither here nor there.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 37):
The point is ACDC8, no body here insulted him talked down to him as you seem to believe.

I never said that anyone insulted him, I simply stated that I found your and FlyMIA's statements were unfounded, based on opinion (which is fine) and yes, childlike (not meant to be insulting)

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 37):
But people in the parking lot will stare, point, and some people will laugh. It is an unarguable fact.

People will point and stare, laugh and what not in many places. I never denied that. Some people will laugh about a station wagon, others about a pick up truck, others about a GM, others about a Honda. So what vehicle would not have the point and stare effect?

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 37):
Station wagons just aren't the norm for high school kids.

What is the norm? Ford Mustang GT convertible? Honda Civic? VW Jetta? 2 doors? 4 doors?

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 37):
You know very well where Trav, MIA, and myself are coming from.

I understand perfectly where you guys are coming from.

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 39):
First don't say I don't know what I am talking about. Because I am a kid, I am only 17 years old. I know how the world is right now for a kid in high school because I am one. How do I have no idea what I am talking about?

OK, how am I going to say this without sound like an  old  ? As you said, you are a kid and only 17 years old. You do have a better insight of what goes on in high schools then I do. Things have changed since I've been in school, there's no arguing that. However, many principles stay the same. One of those principles are that certain groups will always laugh at someone or something. However, as I stated above, they'll laugh at anything regardless, and if they don't, another group will. This is something you'll realize once you get older (now I'm starting to sound like my father, lol). My ex-girlfriend has 3 kids in high school, I drive them up there and pick them up. I hang out with them and their friends and to be honest, understand how they (and you) think and look at the world. It's no different then when I was your age and most kids (believe it or not) don't care what they have to drive in, as long as they can get to where they want to go.

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 39):
But if I drove a Volvo Station Wagon or a plain VW Passat Wagon to school every day and on the weekends which I paid for myself than people will question what the hell was I thinking. Why am I driving a station wagon at 16 years old.

This is what you think other people will think. (apologies for sounding like an oldman again).

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 39):
Audi A4's G35's A lot of BMW 325s and a lot of Jettas. Oh I also have a few friends that drive M5's M3's E55 SL65. Those are the cars a lot of kids are driving in the major cities in the United States. (Yes obviously these are the upper middle class to upper class kids)

I can assure you, kids with those types of vehicles are in the minority regardless of it's theirs or their parents.

Like I said above, you are entitled to your opinion, and voice it. But don't get confused that your opinion is always that of most people.

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 38):
As you pointed out, it has in the US market......the market to which I was referring.

It's simply been re-branded, not replaced (I know, I know, technicalities, sorry ....  Wink )
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:03 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 29):
You can get a four-door version, and it would be more spacious than the Altima.

Not true.

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/sp...=Volkswagen&model=Rabbit&trimid=-1

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/sp...make=Nissan&model=Altima&trimid=-1

The Rabbit beats it in rear headroom by less than an inch, the Altima has more space in every other measurement by a considerable amount.
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:07 pm

Quote:
Station Wagons are just not "cool" cars for a 16 year old. Again though you could make a VW Passat Wagon pretty cool with some body kits and some engine performance add ons. But If you going to spend that much money on that why not just get a car that’s a little bit nicer and "cooler" that does not need a lot of add ons. (unless you are going to enjoy moding up your car)

Yup im not going to be driving some stock car im already saving up for all that good stuff, and im doing my research so i can get the most outa a product with out spending boku bucks.

Quote:
D11Fan is from Newport Beach where the median income for a household in the city was $83,455. So I don’t think he is dealing with many lower class kids either.



Yes this is correct i live in one of the richest places in the untied states, but my family dont live in a 10,000 square foot house and we are one of the few that actually rent so there are a couple of kids that are lower then i am, but i am sure not one of the kids that drives a brand new Porsche Cayman. I have been saving up for a couple years and have earned every cent of my money so im going to get the best that fits me. And im pretty sure people wont give me shit cause 1. im a big guy and others dont mess with me and 2. my car will smoke there fancy Trucks and Fancy cars
 
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:17 pm

Quoting Md11fan (Reply 42):
my car will smoke there fancy Trucks and Fancy cars

Your spelling and grammar, on the other hand....  crazy 

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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:24 pm




Quoting F9Widebody (Reply 41):
The Rabbit beats it in rear headroom by less than an inch, the Altima has more space in every other measurement by a considerable amount.

Well I'll be damned. I've ridden in the back seat of both, and I could have sworn the Rabbit had more room.

Come to think of it, it was an older generation Altima I rode in. Now that I think about it, the newer ones are larger.

Thanks for the correction, F9.  Smile


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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:24 pm

Ya i know i just spell bad on a comp.  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:26 pm

OK well i have updated my list:

1.VW Passat Variant
2. Ford Crown Vic
3. My moms 98 Chevy Tahoe

So ya i have now bumped my maximum price to 10K, any advice!
 
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:28 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 40):
Honda Civic? VW Jetta?

yes that is a just about the norm for an upper middle class 16 year old.

Quoting Md11fan (Reply 42):
And im pretty sure people wont give me shit cause 1. im a big guy and others dont mess with me and 2. my car will smoke there fancy Trucks and Fancy cars

Well I am sure you will make your car great, but your going to have to put alot of work in it to smoke some of those fancy trucks and cars. I would love to see it though nothing better than an Passat Wagon beating an new 325i off the line  Smile

Quoting Md11fan (Reply 46):
OK well i have updated my list:

1.VW Passat Variant
2. Ford Crown Vic
3. My moms 98 Chevy Tahoe

Well again VW Passat not a bad choice if you dont mind a station wagon. Ford Crown Vic, is a car you can mod up nicely and it has a V8 so performance is not to bad already since they are made for the police.
Ever look into a 2001 Passat Sedan. There is a 1998 M3 for sale for under 10,000 on cars.com in the Miami area or an 1998 BMW 740 iL - $9,000. Instead of the Tahoe there are alot of 98-99 Land Rovers out there for under $10,000.
But with those choices I got to go with the Tahoe even with high gas prices  Sad I get 13mpg out of my SUV

Best advice for you is dont rush, look into all your options. Go to cars.com and check your local area and look at all the different car companies, maybe you might find a nice deal or something you never thought of before.
Best of luck to you with your car shopping, and honestly dont let anyone else make your decision for you, but do listen to other people opinions because some people do know a thing or two about cars.
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:56 pm

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 47):
I would love to see it though nothing better than an Passat Wagon beating an new 325i off the line

As per Car and Driver, the most expensive V6 Passat Sedan only beats the base 328i sedan 0.2mph to 60; the heavier wagon wouldn't be faster and the 4-cylinder is slow as shit. So yeah; not happening.
 
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RE: Volkswagen VS. Volvo Wagons VS. Nissan

Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:32 pm

Quote:
As per Car and Driver, the most expensive V6 Passat Sedan only beats the base 328i sedan 0.2mph to 60; the heavier wagon wouldn't be faster and the 4-cylinder is slow as shit. So yeah; not happening.

Well why would i get a 4 cylinder, I would get the V6, dont forget im going more for Performance. So why not slap on a Cold air intake, Custom Test pipe, And a cat-back system. I mean thats all for less and 1.5K and you get a least a 30-40Hp gain!

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