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Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:19 am

Hey so I was going to get me some tickets for a Canucks game. Well even though I was a season ticket holder for all those years, I could not get tickets this year. So I was disappointed... but then I find out I can still get tickets in Dallas!!!! they are STILL not sold out and worse yet you can buy some for FOURTEEN DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!.... This is a problem, Mr. Bettman (sp) you should really re-consider your swing to have more US teams, sure the TV market may be bigger down in the states(when people watch) but I can guarantee you that you will not be embarrassed by not selling out Play-Off tickets, this is unfortunate and an embarrassment to the NHL. On a positive side I found some tickets and I will be going down to watch the Canucks game Smile. We will see I may even stay for game 4 but thats around exam time so probably not.
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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:25 am

Quoting ZBBYLW (Thread starter):
sure the TV market may be bigger down in the states(when people watch) but I can guarantee you that you will not be embarrassed by not selling out Play-Off tickets

When the Stars make the playoffs, filling the American Airlines center is not a problem  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:27 am

Don't exactly know why you think you are the expert in NHL attendance. While not the top, the Stars are #12 in attendance with an average of 17,914 fans per game. The arena holds about 18,500 for hockey.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/attendance?year=2007

http://www.americanairlinescenter.co...ndex.cfm/FuseAction/page/PageID/45

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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:33 am

This isn't an NHL issue. This is a Dallas sportsfan issue. Dallas is the king of fair weather sports cities. If the team is doing well, suddenly everyone was a fan from birth. If the team is doing a little poorly, attendance tanks. "Doing well" of course means you are on track to win the title. "Doing a little poorly" means you have lost more than one game.

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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:33 am

I was at the last Canucks home game. It was the 168th consecutive sellout.
 
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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:34 am

See the difference is its the playoffs. I am used to ticket sales for the play offs sold out within 2 hours or so from when they go one sale. To me this is kind of shocking. But hey if they will eventually sell out all the tickets, as slow as it may be good for them.
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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:36 am

Each and every one of the 5-odd Stars games I've been to have been sold out.....I see no reason why they won't sell out again all home games in the playoffs.

Btw, if Turco is even a shell of his normal self in the first round, the Canucks are toast  stirthepot 

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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:37 am

Quoting Avt007 (Reply 4):
I was at the last Canucks home game. It was the 168th consecutive sellout.

Nice yea the Canucks are doing well on the attendance these days. I was kind of scared that last year we were going to see a few games fall below full, but hey the streak is still going.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 3):
This isn't an NHL issue. This is a Dallas sportsfan issue. Dallas is the king of fair weather sports cities. If the team is doing well, suddenly everyone was a fan from birth. If the team is doing a little poorly, attendance tanks. "Doing well" of course means you are on track to win the title. "Doing a little poorly" means you have lost more than one game.

OK fair enough, I have not really seen much of Dallas's sports team, although I do like Nash so I kind of followed the Basketball, though remotely. But lets hope for the city of Dallas that they start to me more loyal fans, but hey we will see.
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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:45 am

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 6):
Each and every one of the 5-odd Stars games I've been to have been sold out.....I see no reason why they won't sell out again all home games in the playoffs.

The Dallas Stars can't sell out a home game? Thats pathetic.

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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:47 am

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 6):
Btw, if Turco is even a shell of his normal self in the first round, the Canucks are toast

HAHA while the could pose as a problem for Vancouver, we have a certain goaltender who could surprise Dallas, I for-see lots of 1-0 and 2-1 games.
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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:04 am

It's not just in the NHL where teams have problems selling out playoff games. For a number of years during their streak of post-season appearances, the Braves failed to sell out games. This is due to some of the following factors:

1. The novelty of the team making the playoffs wore off, especially after the World Series win in 1996.
2. Some of these games are at times of the day (mainly during the week) that make it difficult for fans to be there (daytime games especially) plus there is the kid factor as well. Parents are less likely to take their kid(s) to a game on a school night. I know the Braves' attendance during the week doesn't go up until after school is out for the Summer.
3. Crashing out in the first round of the playoffs on a consistent basis made fans less excited about going to games.

I think in the case of the Stars, perhaps the above factors could be in play with them as well.

Quoting ZBBYLW (Thread starter):
they are STILL not sold out and worse yet you can buy some for FOURTEEN DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!....

Fans could have been waiting for the official word on the dates and times for the home games before making their purchase. I know that Game 1 and Game 2 of the Thrashers-Rangers series aren't sold out, but they will be in the next few days.


Those $14 seats are in the highest part of the arena. The Thrashers have seats that cheap as well (you have to buy the strip to get them for $14. Box office price is $15) up in the 400 section. During the regular season those seats are typically $10 and usually sell out. If the Thrashers were to advance past the first round those $15 seats go up to $25 for the Eastern Conference Semis, $35 for the Eastern Conference Finals, and to $50 for the Stanley Cup Finals. I'm sure the same holds true in Dallas.


In some cases, there are so many sports choices in a city, it takes a little more effort to get fans to the games. For the bulk of the Canadian teams, they don't have much in terms of competition for the sports dollars in those cities. The Canadian city that most resembles the typical American city in terms of sports is Toronto. The other Canadian teams have competition in the form of the CFL and perhaps minor league and junior hockey. Toronto boasts an NBA team, a MLB team, in addition to the NHL and CFL teams in town. You can throw in the Marlies and some of the junior teams as well (A number of NHL teams have minor league and/or junior league hockey clubs).
 
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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:20 am

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 6):
Btw, if Turco is even a shell of his normal self in the first round, the Canucks are toast

If Turco is his normal "playoff" self, the Stars are toast...
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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:24 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 8):
The Dallas Stars can't sell out a home game? Thats pathetic.

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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:36 am

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 12):
24,832 at yesterday's game at Turner Field between two of the NL's powerhouse teams. I was amazed when I saw the highlights on SportsCenter of how many empty seats there were in that place.

It was Easter Sunday after all, so folks were more than likely at family dinners or coming back to town from Spring Break.


Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 11):
If Turco is his normal "playoff" self, the Stars are toast...

That has been the knock on Turco for quite some time.
 
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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:04 am

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 6):
Btw, if Turco is even a shell of his normal self in the first round, the Canucks are toast

Loungo > Turco.

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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:33 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 3):
Dallas is the king of fair weather sports cities. If the team is doing well, suddenly everyone was a fan from birth.

That can be said for the Vancouver Canucks as well, who probably have the worst fan base in the NHL when it comes to 'bandwagoneering'... actually, most sports teams have fans like that, after all... who likes losing all the time?

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 11):
If Turco is his normal "playoff" self, the Stars are toast...

Mike Smith, Dallas' rookie goalie, will see ice very quickly if Turco cannot shake his past playoff woes. Luongo has never played in the post-season before, so it will be interesting to see how he fares.

I remember the last time these two teams matched up in the post-season in the 2nd round, Vancouver went on to lose in the Cup finals, and the Stars had just moved from Minnesota... wow.. it's been 13 years already!

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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:43 am

I can't remember where I heard this - might have been TSN or Sportsnet - apparently the Nashville Predators who have been absolute dynamite this season averaged about 14,000 a game! Makes you wonder what they have to do to fill their arena. (Perhaps removing Gaylord from the name of the arena would help  Smile )

Conversely the Toronto Make Ya Laughs are still selling out irrespective of how poor the on ice product is and how idiotic management are. McCabe @ $7.15 Million next season? You must be joking...

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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:24 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 16):
McCabe @ $7.15 Million next season

Why did you have to bring that up? Why don't you throw in the Kubina fiasco as well?  Wink

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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:45 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 16):
(Perhaps removing Gaylord from the name of the arena would help Smile )

Actually the Gaylord name has already been removed and the arena is now referred to as the Nashville Arena. There are rumors that a new name will be on the building by the start of the 2007-2008 season (The big rumor is that Nissan will be the company putting their name on the arena).
 
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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:07 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 16):
I can't remember where I heard this - might have been TSN or Sportsnet - apparently the Nashville Predators who have been absolute dynamite this season averaged about 14,000 a game! Makes you wonder what they have to do to fill their arena. (Perhaps removing Gaylord from the name of the arena would help Smile )

Conversely the Toronto Make Ya Laughs are still selling out irrespective of how poor the on ice product is and how idiotic management are. McCabe @ $7.15 Million next season? You must be joking...

You've ID'd the NHL's big problem. American cities/states with no hockey spoon fed them from birth will embrace an NHL franchise if the team wins, and bail if it loses. Witness the Islanders. As you point out, even a winning team in Nashville can't sell out the building very often. Canadian cities will buy tickets regardless of how badly the team is playing, and the team's fortunes will dominate the local sports pages -- good or bad.

I personally believe that the NHL needs to shrink down to a 20 team league, with ten teams in each country, limiting the US cities to those places that have some appreciation for hockey -- the original four with Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Philly, St. Louis (maybe) or Denver and a couple of west coasters -- LA and San Jose. In Canada, you can bring Winnipeg and Quebec City back into the mix, possibly Halifax, maybe Hamilton.

You'll end up with a smaller league, much lower player salaries, and more competitive teams as the talent pool is far-less diluted..
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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:30 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 3):
This isn't an NHL issue. This is a Dallas sportsfan issue. Dallas is the king of fair weather sports cities. If the team is doing well, suddenly everyone was a fan from birth. If the team is doing a little poorly, attendance tanks. "Doing well" of course means you are on track to win the title. "Doing a little poorly" means you have lost more than one game.

Unfortunately, this is the case in a lot of the "melting pot" cities in the US. Places like Dallas and Atlanta have a very small indigenous population--most everyone moves there from somewhere else and there are few natives. So most of the residents are lifelong fans of the Steelers or the Rangers or the Bears...or whereever they happen to hail from.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 13):
Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 12):
24,832 at yesterday's game at Turner Field between two of the NL's powerhouse teams. I was amazed when I saw the highlights on SportsCenter of how many empty seats there were in that place.

It was Easter Sunday after all, so folks were more than likely at family dinners or coming back to town from Spring Break.

Not to mention the fact that it was cold as hell. We were there on Sat and it was absolutely miserable.
 
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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:49 am

I just did a quick check on Craigslist and there were some ticket pairs for tonight's Vancouver-Dallas game for $600.  Wow!

If you could get a really, really good deal on a flight to DFW, it may almost be worth it to head down there for a game.

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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:46 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10):
Those $14 seats are in the highest part of the arena. The Thrashers have seats that cheap as well (you have to buy the strip to get them for $14. Box office price is $15) up in the 400 section. During the regular season those seats are typically $10 and usually sell out.

The Blue Jackets have something similar as well, called Huntington Green Seats. They're seats in the highest end of the arena & go on sale for $10 two hours prior to game time. And every time I've looked into them (7 games this season), they sold out.

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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:54 am

Quoting Jayce (Reply 21):
If you could get a really, really good deal on a flight to DFW, it may almost be worth it to head down there for a game.

HAHA yea it works for sure. It is actually going to be cheaper for me to go to a game in Dallas then Vancouver (even though I have a house and everything in YVR).
I have row 4 tickets for game 3 and I paid less then 200 bucks for that not bad eh?
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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:41 pm

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 3):
Anyone Remember the Sidekicks?

Hah! Actually, I do. When I lived in Houston I used to go to Hotshots games all the time.

Ah the good old WISL. I hear there's some MISL now or something?
 
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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:57 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 22):
The Blue Jackets have something similar as well, called Huntington Green Seats. They're seats in the highest end of the arena & go on sale for $10 two hours prior to game time. And every time I've looked into them (7 games this season), they sold out.

We don't have a tiny little section of cheap seats, the entire 400 section (407-414) is that price. I remember looking at doing a weekend trip up the D.C. to go watch the Thrashers play the Capitals and was shocked at how high up the cheap seats @ the Phone Booth were. Had I have done the trip, I would have spent over $100 for a ticket in a decent section (decent as in a decent view of the ice). I'm really hoping the Thrashers have a Saturday away game against the Devils as I want to check out the Prudential Center (That's going be one sharp arena. I thought Philips Arena was something, the new Devils arena blows it away.). There are NHL arenas where the cheapest seats would set your back $25 or more.
 
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RE: Dallas Stars Seat Sales....Sad

Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:46 am

Quoting A332 (Reply 15):
That can be said for the Vancouver Canucks as well, who probably have the worst fan base in the NHL when it comes to 'bandwagoneering'... actually, most sports teams have fans like that, after all... who likes losing all the time?

We do and our fans still pay hundreds of $$$ for tickets.

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