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Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:47 am

http://www.lonympics.co.uk/worldsmostpowerfulcountries.htm

I was surprised to see Pakistan in this list

1 The United States of America,

2 Russian Federation

3 Peoples Republic of China

4 France

5 Britain

6 Japan

7 Republic of India

8 Federal Republic of Germany

9 Republic of Pakistan

10 Republic of Brazil,

 
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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:08 am

I am kind of surprised that France is before Britain, and also I would have thought Germany to be further up. I wonder what number Canada comes in at.
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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:13 am

Quoting TRVYYZ (Thread starter):
I was surprised to see Pakistan in this list

I'm not.

Notice that the only three on the list don't have nuclear weapons.

Seems like the criteria are three things:

Population
Economic Strength
Nuclear Weapons

Every one of those countries has at least two, if not three.

That makes Pakistan a player.
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Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:53 am

Well after Forbes list it´s (political power):

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/9007/worldtoptenpowerfulcounvi2.gif
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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:54 am

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 1):
I am kind of surprised that France is before Britain

 checkmark  I don't see why France is even on this list.  scratchchin 

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 2):
I'm not.

Nor am I. Once the President (can't recall his name at the moment) is forced out/assasinated, Pakistan will go downhill very fast, and will create many, many problems.

I would argue that Iran could be on this list as well. Obviously not a nuclear or economic superpower, but as long as that nutjob is still in power, it's a war waiting to happen.
 
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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:19 am

Quoting N174UA (Reply 4):
I don't see why France is even on this list.

France is a big player in Africa. With some exceptions (South Africa, Darfur recently) the media report little about there.
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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:58 am

Quoting TRVYYZ (Thread starter):
I was surprised to see Pakistan in this list

Why? they have nukes and a fast growing economy.

I'm acutally surprised to not see South Korea on the list.
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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:15 am

Here's another link.

The Koreas are listed here.
http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004617.asp


By size (number of troops), the top ten nations looks like this;

China
United States
India
Korea, North
Russia
Korea, South
Pakistan
Israel
Turkey
Iran

Top Ten By Combat Power

United States
China
Israel
India
Russia
Korea, South
Korea, North
United Kingdom
Turkey
Pakistan
 
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Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:21 am

Quoting N174UA (Reply 4):
Once the President (can't recall his name at the moment) is forced out/assasinated, Pakistan will go downhill very fast, and will create many, many problems.

N174UA change your name in your profile. Now, I know you are GWB.......
I remember your interview, a few years ago, when you said the president was the general... general.....  rotfl 

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Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:31 am

TRVYYZ, how on earth did you stumble upon this strange site  Smile

I too am baffled by the choice of Pakistan, despite the explanations of the compiler - second largest Muslim Country etc... I did not think that Pakistan carried much weight in either in International Affairs or in the Muslim World as it is pre-occupied internally with containing fractional politics. While Musharraf takes credit in his book for turning around Pakistan from a 'basket case' (his words) to a serious nation, it will be a while before we see her become a major voice in the world stage. The voices of the 'Muslim' World, for better or for worse, seem to come from fundamentalists in Iran and Saudi Arabia, ignoring the aspirations of many peace-loving Muslims elsewhere.
 
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Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:10 am

Quoting Comorin (Reply 9):

I used google  Wink
 
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Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:17 am

I'm surprised to see the United States at the top. I thought it would be China.
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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:33 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 11):
I'm surprised to see the United States at the top. I thought it would be China.

Economically the US is still the biggest. Though China and India are catching up quickly.




Obviously Canada would never be in the top 10 for troops or combat power.
I was a little surprised to see Canada shown as number 6 in political power. I guess being in the G8 carries some weight.
I'm curious as to where Canada sits on the economic rankings.


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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:36 am

As said, Pak due to Nuclear Weapons.... Israel is probably 11 or so, but due to lack of population not amongst the top 10, They have a hell lot of power!

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 3):
Well after Forbes list it´s (political power):

I am surprised to see the Scandinavian countries here (they probably exert a lot of influence through development aid)

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 1):
I am kind of surprised that France is before Britain

Time to get 'em both off the list Big grin  stirthepot 
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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:38 am

Quoting N174UA (Reply 4):
I don't see why France is even on this list.

They speak French better than anybody else.  yes 
 
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Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:57 am

LHStarAlliance:

The Netherlands one of the world's top 10 most powerful nations?! Oh come on. I think the Netherlands is an exceptional country in many different ways, but I think Forbes has kinda missed the mark with that one.

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Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:44 pm

I can't see what us Brits are doing on the list; even Iran kicks sand in our face now.

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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:52 pm

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 15):
The Netherlands one of the world's top 10 most powerful nations?! Oh come on. I think the Netherlands is an exceptional country in many different ways, but I think Forbes has kinda missed the mark with that one.

What surprises me more is that the Scandinavian countries are before the Netherlands. I think you shouldn't underestimate the Dutch power. The country has more political influence than you think.
 
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Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:04 pm

Quoting Paneuropean (Reply 17):
The country has more political influence than you think.

Do you mean within the EU or elsewhere? Do you believe your country posesses the geopolitical currency to seriously influence major powers?

Don't get me wrong - The Netherlands is exceptional, truly exceptional. But with a population of 16million and a total area of 41,526 sq km, I'm not sure if it quite fits into the top 10 "Most Powerful".

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Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:25 pm

.all those statistics are completely useless...
What really counts -at the bottom line- are quality of life for the citizens of a specific country..
As long as a country allows the use of genetically modified crops,fruit or vegatables,allows the sale of radiated food in supermarkets that favour cancer,countries that knowingly oblige vaccinations for children that are harmful to health,counties that knowingly maintain rotten health-systems in place,call themselves superpowers...
People get fascinated by ideas of power that actually don't bring them any progress but more liabilities .
People get fixed on rankings based on matters that don't increase their quality of life but diminished those qualities .
What the f... does it help underprivileged people in the United States, UK or China that their country is powerful,if they starve,get cancer from food poisening or become irradiated by too many electro-magnetic pollution ?????
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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:29 pm

Obviously all flawed lists because nobody listed Belgium!!!!
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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:59 pm

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 18):
Do you mean within the EU or elsewhere? Do you believe your country posesses the geopolitical currency to seriously influence major powers?

Don't get me wrong - The Netherlands is exceptional, truly exceptional. But with a population of 16million and a total area of 41,526 sq km, I'm not sure if it quite fits into the top 10 "Most Powerful".

I didn't say that. One thing is for sure. The Netherlands has played a very important diplomatic role in history. It's ties with many countries has always positioned the Netherlands in a peaceful nation, more than a aggressive nation in recent history. Building bridges between others. This "diplomatic"role seems to fit the country very well.

In this case the size of a country is not an important issue. Moreover it's population. Canada has less than double it's inhabitants, but in land area it is the largest country in the world.

I haven't said the Netherlands belongs in the top 10, neither am I saying it doesn't, however I would think it's more powerful than Sweden or Norway, with all respect !!

Most interesting is how this top 10 is made. Which criteria are used to form this list.....
 
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Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:21 pm

Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 15):

The Netherlands one of the world's top 10 most powerful nations?! Oh come on. I think the Netherlands is an exceptional country in many different ways, but I think Forbes has kinda missed the mark with that one.

Well the netherlands have much influence in the Caribbean and some Asian countries , I think place 10 is OK .

The top 5 economical powers are :

USA

Japan

Germany

France

UK


Konstantin

And by exports top 3

Germany

USA

France
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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:41 pm

I´m surprised that Pakistan and not Saudi-Arabia is listed?
Otherwise I agree with the list.
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Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:43 pm

Quoting TRVYYZ (Reply 7):

By size (number of troops), the top ten nations looks like this

Well Germany has also Nuclear weapons but with the Nato I think in Gelsenkirchen , but after the German Story in the WW2 it´s a Taboo to have military power ...

And I think its ok like this if any country attacks Germany , thanks Nato , the US , France , UK etc are behind us ...
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Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:22 pm

Quoting Paneuropean (Reply 21):
The Netherlands has played a very important diplomatic role in history.

You're absolutely right.

Quoting Paneuropean (Reply 21):
This "diplomatic"role seems to fit the country very well.

I agree completely.

Quoting Paneuropean (Reply 21):
I haven't said the Netherlands belongs in the top 10, neither am I saying it doesn't, however I would think it's more powerful than Sweden or Norway, with all respect !!

I certainly agree with you there. As I said, the Netherlands is an exceptional country - but I wouldn't (and it seems, nor would you) classify it as one of the top ten most powerful nations on earth.

I absolutely question Sweden and Norway's presence on the list too, despite the former's diplomatic credentials and the latter's mineral wealth. I mean really - Sweden more internationally powerful than China?!?! Please.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 22):
Well the netherlands have much influence in the Caribbean and some Asian countries

True, but so do many other countries. I would probably put a country like Indonesia or India ahead of it when it comes to Asia, and a country like Venezuela or Cuba ahead of it in the Carribbean in terms of regional influence.

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Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:45 pm

Interesting list, but I think it underestimates the power and influence of some regional superpowers such as Australia, South Africa and Saudi Arabia. It also underestimates the power that other regional influences such as Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, North Korea, etc... indirectly wield by being able to affect the policymaking of the global powers.

Without a doubt, the USA should be on top of the list - but does Russia really deserve to be in second spot ahead of China? China has expanded its sphere of influence recently to encompass a majority of Asia and Africa, while Russian influence is largely confined to its former satellite states of the USSR and Eastern Europe and is waning even there.

France and Britain retain tremendous influence by virtue of their former colonial empires and their middling ranking is probably appropriate.

Japan is a questionable one on this list. Despite its huge economic prowess, Japan has failed to project power either politically or militarily since WW2. Yes, Japan is influential, but considering its inability to influence significant decision making even in its own neighborhood (a geographic anomaly of being so near to the Russia, China and the Koreas). A similar situation exists with Germany, although Germany is able to punch above its political and military weight by virtue of its strong influence within organisations such as the European Union and NATO respectively. Whether Germany and Japan deserve to be ranked above such regional powers as South Africa, Saudi Arabia and Australia is a matter for debate.

India is one of the regional superpowers that sneaks into the bottom of the list. A combination of sheer size, economic growth and military influence combines to give India a somewhat justified position near the bottom of the list. Similarly, Brazil earns a spot as the South American regional superpower.

Pakistan however, I cannot see the justification for inclusion on the list. I would put Pakistan in the same league as Venezuela and Iran - capable of influencing decisionmaking indirectly rather than directly (albeit in a slightly more positive manner than the latter two states), which in the long run makes their power projection dependent upon other states' interests rather than their own.

My list, for what its worth would be the following :

1. United States of America
2. People's Republic of China
3. United Kingdom
4. France
5. Russian Federation
6. Saudi Arabia
7. India
8. Australia
9. Brazil
10. South Africa
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Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:48 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 24):
Well Germany has also Nuclear weapons but with the Nato I think in Gelsenkirchen , but after the German Story in the WW2 it´s a Taboo to have military power ...

Actually, Germany DOES have nuclear weapons.. on its territory, and guess who administers them  Wink

Also, the Bundeswehr is not exactly the weakest army, unfortunately it is not a taboo for Germany to have military power  Wink money could be better spent. As for me, I don't see any need for a Bundeswehr anymore, but that's only me

You are right, if Germany was attacked, the NATO will intervene immediately.

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Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:52 am

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 27):
You are right, if Germany was attacked

By whom?

Germany doesn't need a defensive army, it needs specialists forces and equipment to venture into combat zones and lend their expertise to missions the German government believe warrant them. Anything else is a waste of money. Same goes for France.

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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:53 am

My personal list is:
1.USA
2.China
3.Russia
4.UK
5.India
6.France
7.Pakistan
8.Japan
9.Germany
10.Israel

I think Israel has far more influence than most people believe.

About that list, I would say it's pretty good, but it's missing Israel. All the nuclear powers except North Korea (and Israel shhh) is there, and these are usually the most powerful.
 
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Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:06 am

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 28):

Germany doesn't need a defensive army, it needs specialists forces and equipment to venture into combat zones and lend their expertise to missions the German government believe warrant them. Anything else is a waste of money. Same goes for France.

Well you can not relay and say anybody will attack us ...

Quoting Dc9northwest (Reply 29):
My personal list is:

There are different tipes of Power there´s Political , Economical and Military Power , I assume yours is military power .

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Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:07 am

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 27):
Actually, Germany DOES have nuclear weapons.. on its territory, and guess who administers them

ermm the US  Smile but to activate the bomb it needs the OK of the German government and viceversa ...
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Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:12 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 30):
Well you can not relay and say anybody will attack us ...

Alright, let's all put on our aluminium foil hats, turn the radio up loud, turn the shower on and have a "hush hush" conversation about who wants to destroy the Federal Republic of Germany.

Aside from the threat from terrorism faced by all major western nations - is it the Greeks? Perhaps the Maltese are after you? The citizens of Andorra? What about those warmongering Dutch? I've always said you can't trust a Luxembourger as far as you can throw 'em.

Game-on, Europe.

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Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:21 am

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 32):

 rotfl   rotfl 

Well the Polish are pretty annoyed about the Germans , Lech and Jarosław Kaczyński could attack Germany ... Big grin

serious :

It´s very very unlikely that any country attacks Germany , but it would be reckless to close the Bundeswehr .

To have an Army like the USA it´s crazy , any country will attack the US ... But to have an army is vital

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Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:25 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 33):
But to have an army is vital

Yes.

It does serve an important purpose domestically and internationally. Germany requires an army, but it does not require one of the world's largest fighting forces. Luxembourg does, however. The Monegasques never forgave them for that Eurovision upset in 77. We haven't heard the end of that.

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Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:29 am

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 34):
but it does not require one of the world's largest fighting forces.

is it one of the world largest ??

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 34):
Luxembourg does, however. The Monegasques never forgave them for that Eurovision upset in 77. We haven't heard the end of that.

Oh man that doesn´t looks good ...
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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:47 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 6):
Why? they have nukes and a fast growing economy

I thought it was Aid  Smile

Quoting N174UA (Reply 4):
Nor am I. Once the President (can't recall his name at the moment) is forced out/assasinated, Pakistan will go downhill very fast, and will create many, many problems.

Thats something India is concerned about.But the Large Democracies would have an Action plan in place to cater to a coup,so that those Nuclear weapons are secured.

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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:02 am

Quoting Dc9northwest (Reply 29):
I think Israel has far more influence than most people believe.

No question about that, they sure have.
For example India is on the list, but its greatest arms supplier is Israel. They have very close and strong but not so public relationship.
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Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:15 am

Quoting TRVYYZ (Thread starter):
I was surprised to see Pakistan in this list

I'm not. #7 on the list is India.

While others mentioned good reasons for Pakistan being included, a little place called Kashmir has a lot to do with it and who else is also right up next to it? China.
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Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:55 am

Quoting Dc9northwest (Reply 29):


I think Israel has far more influence than most people believe.

That's true, look how they have the US wrapped around their finger  duck 
 
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Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:58 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 35):
Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 34):
but it does not require one of the world's largest fighting forces.

is it one of the world largest ??

Konstantin, I am somehow with Quantasforever on this one. I don't trust the Bundeswehr, quite frankly. They are discussions, as you are aware, to give them limited authority for internal security, this would be a disaster! I prefer to make a good example, like Costa Rica, and get rid of it. Someone has to be the precursor for peace, why not Germany (for a change)?  Wink
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Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:12 am

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 1):
France is before Britain

France is more influential in Continental Europe and in Africa, and in a way also in the Arab World, and by having a separate line, also stands for separate positions
 
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Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:31 am

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 40):

I´ve heard about the last cases of racism and many other scandals ... what the Government
has to do is to invest in better learning methods so soldiers know for what they fight ; for freedom , equality of sexes , democracy etc and not soldiers that are killing machines ...
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Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:47 am

Britain has no influence at all in world-politics,since the UK endorse anything that comes from the white house...
France has persistently advocated an independent way to implement foreign policy -which does not mean I endorse all their choices.
Germany has chosen a careful "middle -way"politic,being somewhat closer to the French than the US positions on the Middle East .But the Germans lack still some profile as to define a clear Africa or Asia politic-hiding too much in vague EEC positions.
Although -I repeat my previous post- I don't see any benefit in setting up rankings on who's more powerful than him -because ,ultimately ,what counts are not military power but environment considerations - I believe India will become the next super-power very soon.The country has a wealth of expertise and human resources that will outperform the traditional European "Powers" in a couple of years.
Brazil will rise as power, due to it's forthcoming position providing so called "Bio-Fuel" (what a stupid definition..!)- and as provider of competitive technology (aircraft,weapons) but also selling raw-material,oxygen,soy-beans (genetically modified..)meat...
Pakistan has no reason to figure in that stupid ranking at all,they have no major commodities,limitted engineering capabilities (only defence oriented ) and a religious problem ,causing a potential threat to national security.
Israel is -from a intellectual point of view and technology point of view -top ranking,but has limited influence on trade,commerce,commodities and has furthermore a credibility problem with it's neighbours,which cause a serious bar to regional development.Jews have a strong influence on US politics but not on world-politics directly.
Canada is a huge country but lacks population wise a critical mass.The country is a formidable ecological resource and energy powerhouse ,but politically a "quantité negligable"...
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Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:18 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 43):
and a religious problem ,causing a potential threat to national security.

as mentioned earlier, they could severely mess with Kashmir off setting a big situation messing with two huge proud nations and two huge proud religious fronts -- China and India.

Pakistan is also nestled right in there next to Iran and Afghanistan. It's ranking is a Political Geography measure.
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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:26 am

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 34):
is it one of the world largest ??

No. Just look at TRVYYZ 's (reply 7) list.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 30):
Well you can not relay and say anybody will attack us ...

I have to agree. Times change.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 30):
There are different tipes of Power there´s Political , Economical and Military Power

Indeed.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 33):
It´s very very unlikely that any country attacks Germany , but it would be reckless to close the Bundeswehr .



Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 32):
Aside from the threat from terrorism faced by all major western nations - is it the Greeks? Perhaps the Maltese are after you? The citizens of Andorra? What about those warmongering Dutch? I've always said you can't trust a Luxembourger as far as you can throw 'em.

Who knows? The Russians maybe? Sure not at the moment but who knows whether this country remains stable and relative peaceful. Nobody would have thought in 1988 that Germany doesn't need a huge army just a few years later - things can change very fast. You have to hope for the best and prepare yourself for the worst. Nobody knows the future.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 42):
I´ve heard about the last cases of racism and many other scandals ..

That's not the point. He wouldn't trust the Bundeswehr if there weren't some "scandals" either.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 19):
As long as a country allows the use of genetically modified crops,fruit or vegatables,allows the sale of radiated food in supermarkets that favour cancer,countries that knowingly oblige vaccinations for children that are harmful to health,counties that knowingly maintain rotten health-systems in place,call themselves superpowers..

According to those criteria you should be a huge fan of German politics - no radiated food, very tough laws regarding genetically modified crops let alone animals, relative good health care and no obligations to vaccinate children (I think that's a pity!).

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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:31 am

Quoting Pelican (Reply 45):

That's not the point. He wouldn't trust the Bundeswehr if there weren't some "scandals" either.

Exactly, I would not trust them:

Following scenario was trained: A van with blacks in the Bronx, the soldiers were supposed to shoot on the blacks, while chanting "Motherfuckers" - as experts, even from within the Bundeswehr acknowledge, not a single case, only the tip of the iceberg:





Great army.... from my point of view, an "Angriffskrieg" is more likely than a Case of Self-defense

More here: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,477336,00.html (use translate in Google, Altavista or so to read in English)
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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:11 am

Quoting Pelican (Reply 45):
The Russians

Ah yes, those reds are back under the bed and are waiting for you to let your guard down so that they can goose-step into Berlin for some....reason.

Really - Germany must have a defence force, but do you seriously expect an attack?

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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:38 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 47):
Ah yes, those reds are back under the bed and are waiting for you to let your guard down so that they can goose-step into Berlin for some....reason.

I just mentioned the Russians because they have the potential to become a serious threat (just look what happened in Moscow and St. Petersburg at the weekend). Of course they don't have to become a threat - it's just a scenario. And as I said before Germany's army is relative small - and it's in the middle of a reorganisation from defence to intervention.

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 47):

Really - Germany must have a defence force, but do you seriously expect an attack?

No, have I said something else? I just say you can't foresee the security situation of the future. It's just naive to assume a similar situation to today's for the next decades.

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RE: Ten Most Powerful Countries In The World

Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:48 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 43):
the UK endorse anything that comes from the white house...

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that may change again, as most predecessors of Tony Blair kept a more independent line in international politics than he does. Japan and Germany since WW-II have in international politics until quite recently kept a rather low profile. A "new" generation of Japanese and Germans, born after WW-II, is gradually changing that and the next generation will have a different position even more.

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