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Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:24 pm

90% of drivers in this place seem to be dumb fucks who think that headlights on a vehicle are ONLY to be used when it gets dark.

It has been raining since morning and visibility is bad. Driving on my way to work, and back, I saw that only about 1 in 10 cars have their lights on, and some idiots are driving around with their parking lights on. Ok..so on my way back (about an hour ago), there was a pile up in the other lane...it all started when one dumb idiot (without lights) changed lanes and ran into the car in the other lane (who was also driving without lights). This caused a huge traffic jam..and total chaos. I almost ran into the guy ahead of me but was able to stop.

While we were waiting for traffic to move, I heard the two guys involved in the incident talking (they were shouting actually, since they didn't want to get out of their cars due to the rain)...and one of them said that he just didn't see the other guy. What idiots. This could have been a totally avoidable incident if they had been driving with their lights on. Serves them right.

I hate people like this. They not only put themselves in danger, but others as well. I think it should become a rule that people must drive with their lights on during rain/fog etc and this should be enforced like how speed limits are enforced.

What do you guys think? Can something like this be enforced?
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:59 pm

I wouldn't dream of driving around in fog without the lights on.

Speaking of fog, visibility at the airport today was down to about 50m not long ago.
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:04 pm

In heavy fog, driving with your headlights on actually hampers visibility because the light is reflected off the moisture and back into your eyes. Driving with your parking lights is a good option because people behind you can see where you are. The best choice is to have low-mounted fog lights. The lower beams do not reflect back into your eyes and greatly enhance both visiblity for you, and your location for other drivers.

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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:13 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
What do you guys think?

In some states in the U.S.A. the law states that if the wipers are moving the lights need to be on. Also, all motorcycles have to have lights on when ever the engine is on. If you buy a motorcycle in the U.S. there is no switch to turn off the lights.
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:24 pm

Even in brilliant sunshine, having the lights on on your car increases its visibility to other road users. Driving with lights on should be mandatory as far as I'm concerned. I know some cars such as Volvo's have the lights on all the time, which is a good idea. Should be on all vehicles.
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:39 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
90% of drivers in this place seem to be dumb fucks who think that headlights on a vehicle are ONLY to be used when it gets dark.

Which is why I am all in favor of mandatory light use at all times. I don't need to turn on my lights on a sunny day, but I do. There's a reason why newer cars all come with automatic lights.
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:45 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 5):
Which is why I am all in favor of mandatory light use at all times.

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Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 5):
I don't need to turn on my lights on a sunny day, but I do.

Same here, I always switch my lights on, no matter if it is dark or not.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 5):
There's a reason why newer cars all come with automatic lights.

Exactly! It is definitely safer, several tests of auto magazines and the German auto club "ADAC" have proven that!

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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:18 pm

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 2):
In heavy fog, driving with your headlights on actually hampers visibility because the light is reflected off the moisture and back into your eyes. Driving with your parking lights is a good option because people behind you can see where you are. The best choice is to have low-mounted fog lights. The lower beams do not reflect back into your eyes and greatly enhance both visiblity for you, and your location for other drivers.

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There are moves afoot in Brussels to pass an EU statute for the mandatory use of car headlights at all times. I don't know how it has transpired, but it seems to be common practice in this country. Even on a sunny day like today, about 75% of motorists have their lights on.

Research in this country has indicated that, IIRC 45 road deaths per year could be prevented by mandatory daytime use of headlights.

Definately a good thing.

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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:12 am

Excellent ideas, I wish laws about headlights were enforced. I see people driving around here in the middle of the night with no lights on their cars, stupidasses. There are also people who think they have to drive around with their brights on all the time, especially around this curvy road where you cant see who is coming around on the other side. I love driving there, rounding the curve just to be blinded by someone's brights shining in my eyes. I wonder if these people even realize how much of a problem they cause by either driving with too few lights on or too many.
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:31 am

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 8):
There are also people who think they have to drive around with their brights on all the time,

I have a special pair of driving/landing lights mounted to my Jeep for those people. Big grin
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:51 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 3):
In some states in the U.S.A. the law states that if the wipers are moving the lights need to be on

When was the last time you saw that enforced??
 
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:30 am

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 10):
When was the last time you saw that enforced??

Its not the law in my state but it gives cops in the states that it is the law just another reason to give someone a good looking at.
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:17 am

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 8):
Excellent ideas, I wish laws about headlights were enforced. I see people driving around here in the middle of the night with no lights on their cars, stupidasses. There are also people who think they have to drive around with their brights on all the time

I hate that too. Its always the middle aged women driving a Lexus or rental car that has their brights on when driving in normal city streets.

In Florida it is the law that your lights be on if you are using your wipers a good amount of people actually follow this law down here. I dont drive with my lights on during the day unless I am driving fast on the highway than I will turn my head lights and fog lights on. And at night I will turn my fog lights on when I am on the highway or road with no lights.
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:22 am

Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
90% of drivers in this place seem to be dumb fucks who think that headlights on a vehicle are ONLY to be used when it gets dark.

Sounds like it's a common thing everywhere. I usually start counting the number of cars I see driving without their headlights on when it's rainy/foggy and get of it after about 15 cars in a few miles......

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 5):
There's a reason why newer cars all come with automatic lights.

My last car (1997 Chevy Lumina) had that feature (along with daytime running lamps) and I really liked that feature.

What also gets me are those folks who have the daytime running lamps but let still don't turn on their lights when it's raining. Same is true for idiots who think their running lights at night, as though are supposed to be used instead of the factory lighting systems.
 
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:28 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 9):
have a special pair of driving/landing lights mounted to my Jeep for those people.

Heh..I think I'll get those on my car too Big grin

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 12):
Its always the middle aged women driving a Lexus or rental car that has their brights on when driving in normal city streets.

Wow..guess some things never change no matter which country you live in! I have seen so many middle-aged, and older women, driving big cars, below the speed limit, with their brights on, and in some cases with their indicators on as well. These people shouldn't be allowed to drive  irked 
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:28 am

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 12):
And at night I will turn my fog lights on when I am on the highway or road with no lights.

You know that this actually reduces your visibility, right? It gets so bright immediately in front of the car, giving you less night vision to see down the road.
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:51 am

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 2):
In heavy fog, driving with your headlights on actually hampers visibility because the light is reflected off the moisture and back into your eyes

?? I think you are thinking of high beams. I've drove in some extremely thick fog and headlights do infact help-- but high beams do not (obviously).

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 11):
And at night I will turn my fog lights on when I am on the highway or road with no lights.

Why do people feel a need to do this? You don't need you're fog lights on unless it's foggy out. I almost wish they made a law so you if you're in a small car and passing someone on a two lane road at night that you have to turn those off as well as your brights. Those fog lights on these big trucks are almost as blinding to me as the brights are when passing after dark.
 
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:06 am

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 2):
Driving with your parking lights is a good option because people behind you can see where you are.

Driving with your parking lights on in the rain, snow, or fog (and at dusk or dawn) will get you a ticket in Wisconsin. I have seen the police pull over drivers for this offense many times. That's because many people who drive without the legally-required lights on in adverse weather are impaired. A Wisconsin state trooper friend of mine has pinched a lot of drunks that way.

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 10):
When was the last time you saw that enforced??

KARE-TV in MSP did a feature showing Minnesota state troopers stopping and citing people for this. As mentioned above, it's a great way to find drunks or idiots.

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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:54 pm

Driving with wipers on = headlights on in the state I live in. It is only enforcable, only if there is another cause to be pulled over. If someone gets in an accident, and they don't have their lights on = ticket. It's raining now, I'm looking at an interstate here adjacent to the docks I am at, and only 75% have their lights on.
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:20 pm

Quoting Ferengi80 (Reply 4):
I know some cars such as Volvo's have the lights on all the time, which is a good idea. Should be on all vehicles.

Most likely since in Sweden lights on half-beam (or fog lights) at all times is mandatory. Which is good in my oppinion.
 
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 18):
It's raining now, I'm looking at an interstate here adjacent to the docks I am at, and only 75% have their lights on.

Makes you wonder why people can't simply obey the law, if not for the sake of safety. It's a lot like people who refuse to move over a lane or slow down for emergency vehicles on the shoulder with their emergency lights on. It's a law with a hefty fine, yet people seem to violate it simply to play a dangerous little game of cat-and-mouse.
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:54 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 20):
It's a lot like people who refuse to move over a lane or slow down for emergency vehicles on the shoulder with their emergency lights on.

I moved over for a cop a while back, in my original lane, a black SUV speeds past me (and thus also right by the cop). I remember thinking to myself, "I wish he would get pulled over for that". Just so happened that the cop was on his way back to the car after finishing business.Soon I see flashing red and blue lights approaching and he pulled the SUV over. Made my day Big grin
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:01 am

Both of my cars have daytime driving lights (Aftermarket install on Impala). On my daily driver Chevy SUV I have off-road/fog halogens mounted on the brush guard and always use them at night and in fog.

AFAIK All General Motors vehicles 1997 and up have daytime running lights.
 
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:07 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 16):
Why do people feel a need to do this? You don't need you're fog lights on unless it's foggy out.

Quite. Yet all too often the slightest bit of mist, or heaven help us, rain, and people turn on the high intensity rear light, thus blinding everyone 200 yards away, who now can't tell when their brake lights are on. In the UK, it's actually illegal to use fog lights unless visibility is below 100 yards. Oh, for the coppers to nick a few people for it.
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:10 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 21):
Soon I see flashing red and blue lights approaching and he pulled the SUV over. Made my day

I know the Wisconsin and Minnesota State Patrols set up "stings" to nail people for that. One trooper will stop a car for something minor, like failure to signal a lane change. Meanwhile, three or four other troopers (and/or sheriff's deputies and local officers) sit on a entrance ramp and watch for drivers who refuse to move over for the red/blue lights.

Within a few seconds, you can see a string of five police cars on the side of the road, each containing a police officer handing out a $300 ticket. BTW, the decoy offender always gets off with a warning.  Silly
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:12 am

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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:13 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 23):
I know the Wisconsin and Minnesota State Patrols set up "stings" to nail people for that. One trooper will stop a car for something minor, like failure to signal a lane change. Meanwhile, three or four other troopers (and/or sheriff's deputies and local officers) sit on a entrance ramp and watch for drivers who refuse to move over for the red/blue lights.

We've pulled up behind another car making a stop a couple of times to do this, but since it's in town, it's not really all that easy.
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:31 am

Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
90% of drivers in this place seem to be dumb fucks who think that headlights on a vehicle are ONLY to be used when it gets dark.

Same in the US.

Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
some idiots are driving around with their parking lights on.

I see that frequently, mostly just after sunset. Apparently they overlooked the word "parking."

Quoting Ferengi80 (Reply 4):
Even in brilliant sunshine, having the lights on on your car increases its visibility to other road users.

I always do this on highways, regardless of weather conditions.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 24):
Meanwhile, three or four other troopers (and/or sheriff's deputies and local officers) sit on a entrance ramp and watch for drivers who refuse to move over for the red/blue lights.

Not only will I move over a lane for emergency vehicles on the shoulder, but all vehicles as well, provided I have a clear lane to move to.
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:50 am

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 24):
Do you prefer a car with manual or automatic headlights?

Manual, gives me more control and I burn less gas because the lights dont burn in the daytime!

/sarcasm off.
 
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:55 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 28):
Manual, gives me more control and I burn less gas because the lights dont burn in the daytime!

/sarcasm off.

Luckily you're being sarcastic... but I can assure you - honest! - that I know people who make this very statement. And they believe in it!  Smile It's the same kind of people who don't use their air conditioner when it's almost 40 degrees (Celsius) outside in summer, despite having it installed, because "it's expensive". But then they waste $100 in an evening for beers. Go figure...
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RE: Driving In Rain/fog (rant)

Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 28):
It's the same kind of people who don't use their air conditioner when it's almost 40 degrees (Celsius) outside in summer, despite having it installed, because "it's expensive".

Then why the hell did they install it? What idiots. I always use my air con, and never drive with the windows down, except on those rare occasions when it is a beautiful day. Actually doesn't driving with your windows down cause drag, and consume more fuel than driving with your air con on?
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