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Republican Debate Thread

Fri May 04, 2007 9:09 am

McCain seemed rattled.

Tommy Thompson ripped off a democrat's plan.
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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Fri May 04, 2007 9:16 am

Quoting TedTAce (Thread starter):
Tommy Thompson ripped off a democrat's plan.

If it was the one where he'd have each province do their own elections (among other stuff), it didn't sound like a very good plan.

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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Fri May 04, 2007 9:18 am

Can't we wait until its over? It's only 18min. in.
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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Fri May 04, 2007 9:36 am

Let me see, the primaries are still 8 months off, why on earth is anyone wasting time on debates (Republican/Democrats) this early?
 
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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Fri May 04, 2007 9:39 am

Mitt Romney has the best hair.
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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Fri May 04, 2007 9:45 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
If it was the one where he'd have each province do their own elections (among other stuff), it didn't sound like a very good plan

I disagree. The main problem with Iraq's strong central government is that there are to many small interests that are getting in the way. If you could make the central govt JUST shia and Suni, MAYBE things would START to work, but having all these other factions is effing things up. I think that while there ought to be a form of a central government, hoping that all those morons over there will act as one is like getting the Democraps and retardicans to stop finger pointing. I like the idea about splitting the money.
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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Fri May 04, 2007 10:54 am

So far, the biggest winner - Duncan Hunter - well-spoken, strong on immigration control, the right position on embryonic stem-cell research, very well done on which tax to eliminate (namely, taxes on manufacturers who stay in America and employ American workers).

Other winners - McCain on border security, but he flubbed on embryonic research

Biggest yawners - Mitt Romney, Rudy

Biggest bluster - Tommy Thompson - "When I was governor of Wisconsin . . . "  sarcastic  - runner up - Governor Gilmore - "I was an elected prosecutor . . . "

Would like to see more, but this time was poorly spoken (get your confidence up, dude) - Ron Paul

Needs to stop squinting, mostly solid, waffled on calling out Guiliani's weakness, solid on National ID card - Sam Brownback

Underrated, want to see more - Mike Huckabee

Liked some of your comments (when you ran out of time) on embryonic research and National ID card, now get off the stage - Gov. Tancredo

On Scooter Libby - Ron Paul

On Schiavo - Guiliani scores best - leave it to the courts

Hunter, Huckabee and Brownback have scored the best so far.

This is my post from the thread I started (where I suggested its deletion - this one was 1st)

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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Fri May 04, 2007 10:59 am

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 6):
Biggest yawners - Mitt Romney, Rudy

Definately Rudy seemed to be more defensive...odd for the candidate who will likely argue tha this opponent will do the same to us. I did like his statent about having flaws and working on them. Very humanizing.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 6):
Biggest bluster - Tommy Thompson

 rotfl  Desperately grasping.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 6):
On Schiavo - Guiliani scores best - leave it to the courts

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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Fri May 04, 2007 11:11 am

I'll most my reply here because even though THIS thread: First GOP Presidential Debate Tonight, 8pm EDT (by KFLLCFII May 4 2007 in Non Aviation) was created first, there are more responses here already, and the previous one will probably be deleted anyway.  Wink

Quoting Allstarflyer (Thread starter):
So far, the biggest winner - Duncan Hunter - well-spoken, strong on immigration control, the right position on embryonic stem-cell research, very well done on which tax to eliminate (namely, taxes on manufacturers who stay in America and employ American workers).

I tend to agree. But I'll be watching the replay at 11pm just to be sure...

Quoting Allstarflyer (Thread starter):
Other winners - McCain on border security, but he flubbed on embryonic research

McCain just seemed shaken up during the entire debate. I didn't sense a great deal of confidence from him, which is a definite must if he plans to lead the most powerful country in the world through times of good or bad.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Thread starter):
Biggest yawners - Mitt Romney, Rudy

I'd substitute Huckabee for Rudy. Huckabee seemed to be more of a follower than a leader.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Thread starter):
Biggest bluster - Tommy Thompson

 thumbsup 

Had no appeal to me whatsoever.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Thread starter):
Ron Paul

Same as above. He was constantly in a defensive, cover-your-ass mode. Too much finger-pointing, not enough looking in the mirror.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Thread starter):
Sam Brownback

The man reminds me too much of Al Gore (in both looks and substance)...Lots of pontificating, not enough down-to-earth interaction.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Thread starter):
Governor Gilmore

Who?

Quoting Allstarflyer (Thread starter):
Gov. Tancredo

That was a waste of a good podium.

Did I miss anyone?
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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Fri May 04, 2007 11:17 am

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 8):
I'll most my reply here because even though THIS thread: First GOP Presidential Debate Tonight, 8pm EDT (by KFLLCFII May 4 2007 in Non Aviation) was created first

You need to slap TedTAce with a large trout and get this thread deleted.
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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Fri May 04, 2007 11:25 am

Hoping this thread will stay anyway... I wonder where all the right wing regulars are? Are they all hiding in the watercloset trying to muffle the sounds of regurgitation of this evening's meal?
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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Fri May 04, 2007 11:55 am

Harold Stassen is not running this year?
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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Fri May 04, 2007 12:00 pm

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 6):
So far, the biggest winner - Duncan Hunter

Never heard of him.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 10):
I wonder where all the right wing regulars are?

This middle of the roader was painting the trim on the house.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 3):
Let me see, the primaries are still 8 months off, why on earth is anyone wasting time on debates

I have to agree, but I will admit that I am kicking myself, slightly for missing the Demos debate. Not because any of them are worth a damm, but because I missed seeing Alaska's old senator Mike Gravel perform.
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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Fri May 04, 2007 12:09 pm

Did I miss anything big? I felt like taking a night off from them and watched Grey's Anatomy instead.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 6):
the right position on embryonic stem-cell research

what exactly did he say. i missed it. last i knew Hunter was very "i love Je$u$ more than people"

Quoting AirCop (Reply 3):
Let me see, the primaries are still 8 months off, why on earth is anyone wasting time on debates (Republican/Democrats) this early?

they've gone nuts and putting in the campaign overtime. all of them.

over the next 4 days i'll see a total of 7 candidates.
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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Fri May 04, 2007 12:33 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):
This middle of the roader was painting the trim on the house.

 thumbsup 

Quoting STLGph (Reply 13):
Grey's Anatomy

That's what I SHOULD have been doing, but I didn't realize I was missing 'prime time' until about 10:06. Something about Vaporlock and chat  Wink
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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Fri May 04, 2007 1:54 pm

Some observations while watching the re-run:

-Duncan Hunter might have alot of the right answers, but he comes across as a sleazy used-car salesman. It's as if he thinks he knows what the people want to hear, and is merely trying to take advantage of it for his own goals...Not that this is unlike any other candidate on the stage, but it's the most transparent with him.

-John McCain might not convey the greatest level of confidence, but he seems to have the most compassion and conviction. And if given the choice between a candidate who has a high level of confidence but no compassion/conviction, or a candidate who shows less confidence but a great deal of compassion/conviction, I'd have to choose the latter...Because it means no matter what happens, he wants to get it done, and will do whatever it takes to get it done right.

Underconfidence leaves one yearning for perfection; Overconfidence simply leads to complacency.

That being said, chalk one up for McCain.  thumbsup 

And as for Rudy...I wouldn't call him ready for the Big Seat just yet, but maybe after a term or two at the VP station to get some foreign affairs under his belt. That'll season him up right where he needs to be for next time around.
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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Fri May 04, 2007 9:19 pm

Excerpted from Drudge Report's site...

{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}}
WHO WON THE REAGAN DERBY?

Brownback 2% 1,485
Gilmore 2% 1,056
Giuliani 20% 13,559
Huckabee 4% 2,450
Hunter 3% 1,963
McCain 6% 4,034
Paul 18% 12,367
Romney 35% 23,884
Tancredo 5% 3,421
Tommy Thompson 6% 3,881

Total Votes: 68,100
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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Fri May 04, 2007 10:13 pm

The headlines all talk about Rudy breaking from the GOP ranks over abortion rights. Again, I think his more moderate stances on abortion, gun control, etc, will be his downfall in the GOP primaries. The White Hots in the party simply won't vote for someone who is pro-abortion, and pro-gun control.
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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Sat May 05, 2007 12:37 am

Rudy wins the "how often can you mention Ronald Reagan in one paragraph contest?" Answer: 3 times.

Mitt Romney wins in the hair and hotness category.

John McCain wins the trophy once again for most desperate.

The rest were all pretty much worthless long shots. No prizes for them.

If Guiliani wins the primary, he may win the Presidency. There are a lot of Guiliani democrats and independents out there, even if they disagree with his stance on the war.
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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Sat May 05, 2007 12:40 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 18):
There are a lot of Guiliani democrats and independents out there, even if they disagree with his stance on the war.

what I'm gathering with Giuliani is that he plans to "make sense of it." it seems moderates and left swinging moderates tend to think he'll bring the war situation and spending under control and eventually bring it, not to a complete wrap up, but something more tolerable to them than what is going on now.
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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Sat May 05, 2007 12:46 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 19):
what I'm gathering with Giuliani is that he plans to "make sense of it." it seems moderates and left swinging moderates tend to think he'll bring the war situation and spending under control and eventually bring it, not to a complete wrap up, but something more tolerable to them than what is going on now.

I agree.

Plus in the big numbers game, there are a LOT more Guiliani Democrats than there are Hillary Republicans.

The only way any Republican would vote for Hillary is if some extreme right winger like Brownback won the nomination. That would force many a moderate or pro-choice Republican to bring his/her airsickness bag to the polling station and cast a vote for HRC.
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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Sat May 05, 2007 1:23 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 20):
The only way any Republican would vote for Hillary is if some extreme right winger like Brownback won the nomination. That would force many a moderate or pro-choice Republican to bring his/her airsickness bag to the polling station and cast a vote for HRC.

Just an addendum - many conservatives and populists already have airsickness bags in place should Hillary win the office  bigthumbsup  .

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RE: Republican Debate Thread

Sat May 05, 2007 2:13 am

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 21):
Just an addendum - many conservatives and populists already have airsickness bags in place should Hillary win the office .

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Oh, I think they're going to need more than that. Defibrillators, perhaps.
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