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The Microsoft Vista Thread

Wed May 09, 2007 10:17 pm

Hi

As people upgrade to Vista as I have I'd just like to discuss some of the issues with the new operating systems that I have experienced.

* When the system crashes, you simply cannot open up Task Manager, you have to turn the computer off and start again

* Recently IE7 crashed and hasn't worked since, it simply states 'Microsoft will alert you when we have found a solution'

* I have to use Firefox, which is great but if you do a lot of work on the internet and it crashes like above it does'nt exactly say 'reliability'

* Apart from these issues its otherwise great, I appreciate that its new and will have teething problems, I guess I'll just have to wait until the first Service Pack is launched

By the way my computer is more than Vista capable

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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Wed May 09, 2007 11:05 pm

Quoting Dsa (Thread starter):
When the system crashes, you simply cannot open up Task Manager, you have to turn the computer off and start again

 redflag  I do it all the time.

Quoting Dsa (Thread starter):
By the way my computer is more than Vista capable

What was it's score on the prequal?

Did you UPGRADE or did you load from fresh?

To me it sounds like your system is unstable to begin with (like mine). I have my issues as well, but they are basically the same issues I had with XP. I did a fresh load and it worked well until the hardware quirks started to show up.
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Wed May 09, 2007 11:35 pm

I would love to get Vista, but my laptop is running hot trying to run XP, so I think I'll wait  Smile
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Wed May 09, 2007 11:55 pm

I recently got a laptop and it came with Vista already installed.

How am I finding it.... it's alright. I recently turned Account Control off as I was sick having to confirm something in a pop up every 20 seconds! I have read that it's not advised to turn this off. Ah well.

Also having problems running Flight Simulator 2004 (although it works ok on full screen).

I can't really come up with a list of differences between Vista and XP so someone else can do that.
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 12:19 am

Quoting Dsa (Thread starter):
* When the system crashes, you simply cannot open up Task Manager, you have to turn the computer off and start again

That sometimes happens on my XP machines. It hasn't happened (yet?) on my Vista machine.

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 3):
I recently turned Account Control off as I was sick having to confirm something in a pop up every 20 seconds! I have read that it's not advised to turn this off. Ah well.

I have to disagree with that. With XP, you had log out, log in as an administrator, make your change, log out then log back in as a user. It was so tedious, I just stayed logged in as an administrator, which defeated the whole purpose.  Sad

With Vista, all I have to do is supply the administrator password and off I go. I only get the request a few times a day.  Smile

Quoting Dsa (Thread starter):
Recently IE7 crashed and hasn't worked since, it simply states 'Microsoft will alert you when we have found a solution'

OK, that's an annoying one. The obvious answer is to uninstall and reinstall IE... but how do you uninstall it? Can it be done from the Add/Remove Windows Components feature from the Windows disk? That said, I've had problems with Firefox on my XP machines so I haven't installed it on my Vista machine.
 
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 12:49 am

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 3):
I recently turned Account Control off as I was sick having to confirm something in a pop up every 20 seconds! I have read that it's not advised to turn this off. Ah well.

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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 12:52 am

My thoughts on Vista:

I upgraded to Vista a little more than 2 months ago.

  • The only problem I am having is with the nVidia Display driver. However, unlike XP, where the driver crashes and so does the system, Vista manages to restart the driver; the system does not crash. Despite the various teething problems of new software, Vista seems very stable. I also noticed that when a program does crash, Vista stays responsive. With XP, when a program crashed, Windows seemed to go unresponsive for like, 5 minutes, trying to close the program.

  • I have had no problems with IE, then again, I hate IE, and have always used Opera or Netscape [I tried FireFox once but didn't really like it].

  • I saw a small performance increase in Flight Simulator X from XP to Vista. When I try to run FSX, I get the "bubble" that states how FSX isn't compatible with the Aero scheme. I do not mind a bit, as I would disable the Aero anyways to allow the graphics processor to focus on FSX, not the scheme.

  • Vista seems to be "impatient." Many times, I noticed a program will take longer to load. Often, Vista will say the program is unresponsive, then bam!, the Program loads. This seems to happen often with Adobe Acrobat and Adobe Acrobat Reader 8.

  • These pop-ups stating, "A program needs your permission to continue" that are driving people nuts doesn't happen often to me. I guess it depends on your system and software installed.

  • Vista is very slow to start-up and shut down, however, the new sleep function alleviates this, making the PC work almost as good as a Mac when you close and open the lid.

  • I am running a Tablet PC. I noticed Vista recognizes my handwriting much better than XP did.

  • The Vista Aero is nice, and even the Vista Basic scheme is a "helluvalot" better than the "Fisher-Price" Luna scheme of XP.



My conclusion: Vista is very nice and stable, but suffers numerous teething trouble. If your life/job/etc. depends on a computer (and you have only one PC), I'd wait to get Vista. However, if you have more than one computer, and use it for gaming, chat, etc, then Vista may be alright...just be advised of some troubles.
 
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 1:19 am

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 5):
Sorry, someone had to do this

 rotfl  UAC was a bitch for about the first month or two, now I rarely see it.

Quoting N231YE (Reply 6):
I upgraded to Vista

 no 

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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 1:37 am

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 3):
How am I finding it.... it's alright. I recently turned Account Control off as I was sick having to confirm something in a pop up every 20 seconds! I have read that it's not advised to turn this off. Ah well.

What are you doing to make this come up so frequently, for everyday usage I never get it unless installing something new. The two big problems I have with UAC are as follows:

1) It blocks some startup programs such as MSI Live Update ans the Star Alliance Screen Saver Update Big grin and there
is no way of saying you trust those programs. I simply run MSI Live Update when I feel like it to check for updates to prevent this.

2) It comes up with a prompt after the security center does, you should only get one as its really annoying.

Quoting David L (Reply 4):
I have to disagree with that. With XP, you had log out, log in as an administrator, make your change, log out then log back in as a user. It was so tedious, I just stayed logged in as an administrator, which defeated the whole purpose.

I would say turn this back on fort these reasons is when I have relatives over that want to use Vista I can make them use the guest account and if a prompt comes up I can just enter my password to have them do that action if I approve of it. Also it is good because if you get a prompt and didn't do anything then it could be a hacker or potential spyware that you can stop by clicking cancel. I

Quoting N231YE (Reply 6):
The only problem I am having is with the nVidia Display driver. However, unlike XP, where the driver crashes and so does the system, Vista manages to restart the driver; the system does not crash. Despite the various teething problems of new software, Vista seems very stable. I also noticed that when a program does crash, Vista stays responsive. With XP, when a program crashed, Windows seemed to go unresponsive for like, 5 minutes, trying to close the program.

I have had this issure with the new 158.18 Drivers and got a BSOD once and it cause me to revert to the 100.65 drivers until Nvidia releases drivers that will not do that.

The things I like about Vista are as follows
- The partition manager in Computer Managment
- The new Network features (it had to grow on me)
- The Sidebar
- Windows Aero
- WIndows Experience Index although the rating is flawed
- UAC in theory
- Windows Update is a control panel not a website

The Things I don't like:
- The new file type management system
- The fact that MP11 doesn't include streaming plugins for any browser but IE (this makes life difficult for a firefox user)
- The Defrag utility doesn't gove a diagram or status meter.
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 1:38 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 6):
However, unlike XP, where the driver crashes and so does the system, Vista manages to restart the driver; the system does not crash.

 checkmark  The drivers are one step further removed from the OS in Vista.
 
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 1:47 am

Only problem I've had has been responding to e-mails from the remote/web based "Outlook" program (go figure). Outside of that just a few 64-bit issues. Stable as hell. I run CADD, TAAMs and SIMMOD which are processor crunchers.

Vista Ultimate 64-Bit - clean install on new machine.

Intel E6600/D975XBX2 MB/4 GB RAM/RAID 10/750GB x 4 drives 1.4 TB in RAID 1 + room for four more drives!

Only thing I would have done differently is gone with 32-bit for now because of the compatibility issues.

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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 1:56 am

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 8):
What are you doing to make this come up so frequently, for everyday usage I never get it unless installing something new.

Since I recently got FS9, I have been transferring old fs2002 aircraft files from the old PC to the new laptop. Also I have been sticking new panels into the aircraft files. So the UAC keeps popping up everytime I copy and paste a panel into a folder etc etc.

I think I'll turn UAC off when I intend to transfer alot of files, then stick it back on again once I'm done. It only requires a quick reboot.
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 1:57 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 7):
Upgrades with OS's ALWAYS SUCK.

Windows upgrades may always suck.

MacOS upgrades have a long history of being unproblematic to trivial for the user, even between major versions. My only re-install ever was due to a corrupted partition (user mistake back in the days of MacOS 8/9).
 
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 2:01 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):
Windows upgrades may always suck.

Thank you Mr. Unbiased Big grin
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 2:05 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 13):
Thank you Mr. Unbiased

Never claimed I was.

Just pointing out a limitation of scope in your own damnation.  cool 
 
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 2:08 am

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 11):
I think I'll turn UAC off when I intend to transfer alot of files, then stick it back on again once I'm done. It only requires a quick reboot.
I turn it off after a format when I am going to be using Windows Update and Installing a lot of programs and drivers and want to work a lot faster. However I have discovered that programs such as Adobe Reader 8 require UAC on or it won't install.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):

MacOS upgrades have a long history of being unproblematic to trivial for the user, even between major versions. My only re-install ever was due to a corrupted partition (user mistake back in the days of MacOS 8/9).

Ok Klaus we know you love Macs and think they are so much better .

Why do you enter these Windows threads simply to say that Macs are better when this is a constructive thread between Vista users. Microsoft recommends clean installs simply because (and I know you know this) there is a lot of software and drivers that windows users will use and not all of it will be compatible with the next version, this is way more than what is available with a Mac. Although when upgrading Windows tells you to back up your files and from what I know your system will be restored to its original state if an upgrade goes awry.

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 10):
Vista Ultimate 64-Bit - clean install on new machine.

Did you have any big driver issues with the 64-bit version, I only have the 32-bit version of Home Premium installed and it costs $13 to order it from MS but I don't want to waste my money on it if something can't run and only signed drivers work. Do you recommend using XP pro 64-bit as a test to see if Vista 64-bit will run with all my hardware working.

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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 2:11 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 7):
Upgrades with OS's ALWAYS SUCK.

Windows upgrades may always suck.

Vista upgrades are worse. I got Vista the day after it was released and upgraded. Had some problems that went away with a reinstall. But otherwise the other Vista machines we have work just fine.
 
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 2:16 am

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 8):
I would say turn this back on fort these reasons is when I have relatives over that want to use Vista I can make them use the guest account and if a prompt comes up I can just enter my password to have them do that action if I approve of it.



Quoting David L (Reply 4):
With Vista, all I have to do is supply the administrator password and off I go

I assume that was meant for Legoguy - I am using UAC in Vista, even though no-one else uses my PC.  Smile

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 8):
The things I like about Vista are as follows
- The partition manager in Computer Managment

 checkmark  Saves forking out for a new version of Partition Magic.

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 10):
Only thing I would have done differently is gone with 32-bit for now because of the compatibility issues.

As far as I can see, most home users would be better off installing the 32-bit version unless they really need the extra security features or more than 8MB of RAM.
 
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 2:34 am

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 15):
Did you have any big driver issues with the 64-bit version

Yeah. A lot. The average joe would have been screwed.

Quoting David L (Reply 17):
As far as I can see, most home users would be better off installing the 32-bit version unless they really need the extra security features or more than 8MB of RAM.

Needed it for work programs that are serious memory crunchers. I'll be adding another 4 gig.
 
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 2:38 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 6):
Vista is very slow to start-up and shut down,

Really? I find Vista incredibly quick - especially to shut down.

I'm not really a techie kind of person, I just want the damn thing to work properly, and the most infuriating thing I've had with it is spending hours on help pages for various bits of hardware that don't work properly with Vista. Installation disks? Forget it, they won't even load, even if bought at the same time as the PC. Now, this will presumably get easier as they create them, but for someone who had to buy a laptop, didn't greatly care about Vista, but it came with it, it's really, really irritating.
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 2:42 am

Quoting David L (Reply 17):
more than 8MB of RAM



Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 18):
Needed it for work programs that are serious memory crunchers. I'll be adding another 4 gig.

Of course, I meant more than 8 GB of RAM.  embarrassed 
 
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 3:36 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 7):
Upgrades with OS's ALWAYS SUCK.

I should have clarified. I did a clean install. First, I reformatted my PC's hard drive to when it was brand new: Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005, no programs. Then Vista was installed on top of it, as stated, in a clean install. So I did buy the Upgrade, not the full edition, but I pretty much started from scratch.

Quoting Banco (Reply 19):
Really? I find Vista incredibly quick - especially to shut down.

Vista seems to creep along for me.
 
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 3:46 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 21):
Vista seems to creep along for me.

Dunno, mate. All I can say is that on my pre-installed machine, it takes about 5 seconds to shut down - literally.
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 3:53 am

Quoting N231YE (Reply 21):
First, I reformatted my PC's hard drive to when it was brand new: Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005, no programs. Then Vista was installed on top of it, as stated, in a clean install. So I did buy the Upgrade, not the full edition, but I pretty much started from scratch.

You can't install an upgrade to a formatted disk. You either format the disk and install the full version or you install the upgrade version on top of an older version of Windows.  Smile

It sounds as if you restored your Windows installation to the "factory" condition then upgraded to Vista.
 
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 4:18 am

Quoting David L (Reply 23):
It sounds as if you restored your Windows installation to the "factory" condition then upgraded to Vista.

Okay, now that I feel like a moron...You're correct  smile 
 
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 4:21 am

Quoting David L (Reply 23):
You can't install an upgrade to a formatted disk. You either format the disk and install the full version or you install the upgrade version on top of an older version of Windows. Smile

True but there are two workarounds that can be done to install it to a basically formatted disk. The first is to install you old version of XP or 2000 and format or preform a factory recovery. From that you then install Vista from within Windows selecting a clean install which goes really fast and then you simply delete the Windows.old file and your in business with a working copy of Windows.

The other thing you can do is boot from the Vista disk and don't enter the product key (it will stop you if you do anyway as you can't enter upgrade keys when booting from the DVD) after this select what version you have and then it will ask you what partition you want to install it on and the option to format. This will install a 30 day trial of Vista on your computer and from this you can run the DVD from inside Windows and enter the key this time and either perform an in place upgrade which will take longer than a clean install but you don't have to enter your user information again, or another clean install and simply delete the Windows.old folder and you have a working full version.

Under the EULA both ways appear to be legal but technically if you buy the upgrade without having another version of Windows and use this trick then that is illegal.

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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 4:21 am

My computer was pre-installed with Vista, it gets a 3 rating on Vista's rating system. I would'nt say the system is unstable could it not just be teething problems with Vista, anyway I just posted on this thread with Firefox then came back after a bit and suddenly IE7 is working again.

WEIRD!

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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 4:39 am

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 25):
The first is to install you old version of XP or 2000

Ah, OK, I think we're arguing semantics there. Formatting, reinstalling an older version of Windows then upgrading to Vista is what I'd call a cleaner installation. You still have some older, possibly outdated or corrupt XP files underneath. It's the route I took but I still want to zap it and install the full Vista at some point, probably after I've upgraded the hardware.  Smile

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 25):
and format or preform a factory recovery. From that you then install Vista from within Windows selecting a clean install

Here's where I disagree. If you format the disk, you must install a full version of Windows - there's no upgrade path from there. Upgrading over a factory reset version is semi-clean, to me.

The bottom line is that you can only upgrade if a previous version of Windows is already installed on the hard disk.

Here endeth the pedantry.  Smile
 
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 4:43 am

Just got a laptop two days ago with vista preinstalled, and I'm loving it so far- unfortunately, I found that firefox 2 is an absolute b*tch and keeps crashing on me... but I can't really blame that on vista as it does the same on our XP machine... Big grin

The only annoying thing is the programs asking for permission to open, but I expect that to be over with when I'm done installing what needs to be installed, so it's just a temporary inconvenience.  Wink

Liking vista so far, though mac still rules... but as my parents bought this laptop as a present, I couldn't tell them to go get a mac instead and I'm happy with Vista Big grin
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 5:16 am

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 25):
The first is to install you old version of XP or 2000 and format or preform a factory recovery.

Perhaps I misunderstood. Do you mean format then install your older Windows? That would invalidate half of my pedantry. I thought you meant, having had your older Windows for a while, format the disk then "upgrade" to Vista.  Smile

I'd suggest ignoring the off-topic posts. If they get deleted, they'll take any posts referencing them with them.
 
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 6:01 am

Wow. It took 12 replies before Klaus finally jumped in preaching the from the book of Mac. He's slowing down.
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Thu May 10, 2007 6:01 am

Quoting David L (Reply 20):
Of course, I meant more than 8 GB of RAM.

At least for usage by a single process the 32 bit memory space ceiling is actually at 4 GB.

Some mixed 32/64 bit systems are able to support multiple 32 bit address spaces of maximum 4 GB each by distributing more than 4 GB of physical memory among them, but I'm not aware if Windows 32 does that.
 
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 6:04 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 30):
Wow. It took 12 replies before Klaus finally jumped in preaching the from the book of Mac. He's slowing down.

I anticipated him in reply 5  Wink
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Thu May 10, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting David L (Reply 27):
Ah, OK, I think we're arguing semantics there. Formatting, reinstalling an older version of Windows then upgrading to Vista is what I'd call a cleaner installation. You still have some older, possibly outdated or corrupt XP files underneath. It's the route I took but I still want to zap it and install the full Vista at some point, probably after I've upgraded the hardware. Smile

When you install the old version of Windows you boot to the initial desktop the first thing you do is insert the Vista DVD and click Install Windows, when it asks you for the product key you enter it and when the install options come up you select "Custom" and not "Upgrade". This will install a fresh version of Windows Vista and all the Xp Files which moves the "Windows", "Documents and Settings", and "Program Files" to a "Windows.old" folder which you can delete immediately upon your Vista install finishing and all traces of your XP install will be gone. Big grin.

If you are doing a factory recovery then simply take note of all folders in the root besides the three I listed above and delete those when Vista Installs.

Quoting David L (Reply 29):
Perhaps I misunderstood. Do you mean format then install your older Windows? That would invalidate half of my pedantry. I thought you meant, having had your older Windows for a while, format the disk then "upgrade" to Vista. Smile

Yes install your existing version of Windows and refer to what I said in this post and you have a clean full version of Vista.
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 31):
At least for usage by a single process the 32 bit memory space ceiling is actually at 4 GB.

Oops - you're right. My point still stands, though, that most home users should stick to the 32-bit version, at least for now.
 
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 6:24 am

Quoting David L (Reply 34):
Oops - you're right.

No problem. Stuff happens.

Quoting David L (Reply 34):
My point still stands, though, that most home users should stick to the 32-bit version, at least for now.

Given the alternative of Vista 64, that does seem reasonable indeed.
 
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Thu May 10, 2007 10:06 am

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 33):
When you install the old version of Windows you boot to the initial desktop the first thing you do is insert the Vista DVD and click Install Windows, when it asks you for the product key you enter it and when the install options come up you select "Custom" and not "Upgrade". This will install a fresh version of Windows Vista and all the Xp Files which moves the "Windows", "Documents and Settings", and "Program Files" to a "Windows.old" folder which you can delete immediately upon your Vista install finishing and all traces of your XP install will be gone.

Now... you see... that sounds like a full installation, without the formatting, not an upgrade. I'm prepared to bet you can't do that with an Upgrade version.

Bear in mind that it's 2am here and I may have forgotten what my original point was. Goodnight!  biggrin 
 
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Thu May 10, 2007 10:31 am

Quoting David L (Reply 36):
Now... you see... that sounds like a full installation, without the formatting, not an upgrade. I'm prepared to bet you can't do that with an Upgrade version.

Yes you can, and Microsoft even says on the Vista Box that a Clean Install may be required as for example upgrading from 2000 to Vista or from XP pro to Vista Home Premium.

Check out the chart on MS sites for Upgrade Paths:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...sta/buyorupgrade/upgradepaths.mspx
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 10:39 am

I keep getting this video error...


Problem signature
Problem Event Name: LiveKernelEvent
OS Version: 6.0.6000.2.0.0.768.3
Locale ID: 1033


which usually occurs when I'm playing FS....the system dies and you have to reboot, I can't believe there is NO way to un-install this bloody OS.  banghead 
 
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 10:47 am

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 38):
which usually occurs when I'm playing FS....the system dies and you have to reboot, I can't believe there is NO way to un-install this bloody OS. banghead

I assume you are getting the "Blue Screen of Death". What is your video card and check if you have the most recent drivers and that usually will clear up the issue, or it could be happen to be that your video card is damages.

Also have you tried Googling the error.
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 11:04 am

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 39):
I assume you are getting the "Blue Screen of Death". What is your video card and check if you have the most recent drivers and that usually will clear up the issue, or it could be happen to be that your video card is damages.

Also have you tried Googling the error.

GeForce nVIDIA 7300GS 256/512mb - PCIExpress

any help much appreciated! I have googled the error but wouldn't have a clue what to d/l.
 
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Thu May 10, 2007 7:37 pm

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 37):
Yes you can, and Microsoft even says on the Vista Box that a Clean Install may be required as for example upgrading from 2000 to Vista or from XP pro to Vista Home Premium.

Yes, you're right but I'm still struggling with the definition of a "clean install"... and being pedantic. For instance, that article says this:

"If the edition of Windows Vista that you choose to install will result in a loss of functionality over your current edition of Windows, you will need to do a clean install, or install Windows Vista to a new partition on your PC."

It doesn't explicitly say you can do this with the upgrade version. I took it to mean you'll need the full version. When I tried to upgrade XP Pro to Vista Home Premium (with the Upgrade version), it told me I couldn't so I did a clean install of XP Home then upgraded.

I understand that if you already have an XP installation the full version of Vista will move all the XP files out of harm's way, to be deleted later - basically a clean install without formatting the disk. But, surely, the upgrade version must leave some XP files in place. Or is the only difference between the full version and the upgrade version that the upgrade version won't work if there's no Windows installation already in place, even though they'll both move all the existing XP files out of harm's way?

I realise I'm being pedantic but it just seems the definition of "clean installation" has changed a bit with the release of Vista. I still think of a "clean install" as starting with nothing then installing the latest version of Windows to the disk. The "new" definition seems to include starting with nothing except an earlier version of Windows, regardless of what state it's in, as long as the important bits aren't screwed up, then using the Update version of Vista.  Smile
 
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Thu May 10, 2007 9:12 pm

Quoting David L (Reply 4):
I have to disagree with that. With XP, you had log out, log in as an administrator, make your change, log out then log back in as a user. It was so tedious, I just stayed logged in as an administrator, which defeated the whole purpose.

Could someone who lives close by, pop in and let Bill know that, amazingly, some folk own a computer and are the only ones to use it? So all that kerfuffle should be an option not a compulsion.
 
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Thu May 10, 2007 11:49 pm

Quoting David L (Reply 41):
It doesn't explicitly say you can do this with the upgrade version. I took it to mean you'll need the full version. When I tried to upgrade XP Pro to Vista Home Premium (with the Upgrade version), it told me I couldn't so I did a clean install of XP Home then upgraded.

Now if you did this is would have been fine except you can't format the HD and all the system files are moves to the Windows.old folder. I took the upgrade path from XP pro to Home Premium and I bought the upgrade version which is $120 CAD cheaper than the full version. This is the best you can do unless you want to spend the extra money for the full version which is the same Windows you get after doing an clean install from an upgrade version.
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Fri May 11, 2007 12:04 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 42):
Could someone who lives close by, pop in and let Bill know that, amazingly, some folk own a computer and are the only ones to use it? So all that kerfuffle should be an option not a compulsion.

The idea is to use the Admin account to install/uninstall software, drivers, etc., and make system changes then log out of that and, for "normal" use, log in with an account that can't make those changes. It's to make it harder for hackers and other intruders to do nasty things to your system.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 43):
I took the upgrade path from XP pro to Home Premium and I bought the upgrade version which is $120 CAD cheaper than the full version.

Fair enough but I still suspect some XP files must be left in place, otherwise it would be a full version of Vista. Sorry  duck 
 
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Fri May 11, 2007 12:16 am

Quoting David L (Reply 44):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 42):
Could someone who lives close by, pop in and let Bill know that, amazingly, some folk own a computer and are the only ones to use it? So all that kerfuffle should be an option not a compulsion.

The idea is to use the Admin account to install/uninstall software, drivers, etc., and make system changes then log out of that and, for "normal" use, log in with an account that can't make those changes. It's to make it harder for hackers and other intruders to do nasty things to your system.

Er yes, but the internet hacker is going to have to get past the Admin system anyway, and since it is ME (ICHABOD) who is going to have to install and uninstall, why do I have to go into a phone box to don a silly suit before I essay one of these exercises? Any time now, Klaus is going to tell us how easy it would be for any passer by to totally stuff up the system. But that is the point, the only passer by I am "expecting" is a burglar!
 
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Fri May 11, 2007 12:22 am

Quoting David L (Reply 44):

Fair enough but I still suspect some XP files must be left in place, otherwise it would be a full version of Vista. Sorry duck

One thing you may or may not know is that for whatever version of Vista you have or if its the upgrade or the full version, Microsoft ships the same disk with all versions and your product key tells them what version to install. So technically if you bought home basic you can install a 30day trial version of ultimate but good luck activating it  Smile
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Fri May 11, 2007 12:26 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 45):
Er yes, but the internet hacker is going to have to get past the Admin system anyway,

But it's easier if the Admin is logged in.

I agree in general, though. In several years of using only the Admin accounts on four XP PCs, I'm not aware of a single intrusion getting past a firewall, let alone accessing the Admin account.
 
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RE: The Microsoft Vista Thread

Fri May 11, 2007 12:33 am

Quoting David L (Reply 27):
The bottom line is that you can only upgrade if a previous version of Windows is already installed on the hard disk.

I haven't upgraded since Win 98, but I remember when I installed that upgrade, I did it to a formatted disk. At one point during the installation, it told me to point to the Windows folder or insert the install disk of a prior Windows edition. It would then just verify it to be a proper disk, and continue the install. Has this functionality been removed?
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Fri May 11, 2007 1:07 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 48):
I haven't upgraded since Win 98, but I remember when I installed that upgrade, I did it to a formatted disk. At one point during the installation, it told me to point to the Windows folder or insert the install disk of a prior Windows edition. It would then just verify it to be a proper disk, and continue the install. Has this functionality been removed?

Unfortunately Yes  Sad. Now the upgrade has to be run from within Windows to work.
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