LASoctoberB6
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Any Public Bus People?

Sat May 12, 2007 4:00 pm

does anyone here but me just love transit buses? i.e. New Flyer D60LFs NABI 40-LFWs and such?


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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Sat May 12, 2007 4:37 pm

I love it on the rare occasions when I get on that there isn't a bum at the back, either stinking the whole bus out, or smoking weed! I do like the historic busses, such as those of Route-master pedigree and older here in the UK, but so long as the modern ones get me from A to B as quickly as possible I don't really mind - although I do like to hear the engine working away hard.


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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Sat May 12, 2007 8:55 pm

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Thread starter):
does anyone here but me just love transit buses?

It depends on where I am - I don't think I'd much care for them back home in Chicago (as I didn't have need of them). In a town that has an excellent train system (New York, London), I'd much rather take the train. In a town that could use a better train system (or just a train system, period), I'd almost rather take the bus. Still haven't ridden a trolly in San Fran, even though I've been there at least 10 times now.

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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Sat May 12, 2007 9:09 pm

It's interesting a public bus is seen so differently anywhere.
In the Netherlands, and I think Europe in general, it's just an accepted form of transport for all classes, also managers take them if it's a nuissance to drag your car to the destination or if the bus can take special lanes passing the gridlocks.
But if I visit the USA, espcially outside the north east and I take a bus, I notice my fellow passengers are, *ehm* how to say it politically correct, of low income groups, often showing socially challenged behavior, and now I understand why local friends there if I told I arrived by bus look at me like if I'd say I arrived by hangglider.
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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Sun May 13, 2007 12:00 am

I liked driving truck for that very reason: using transit systems when I got the chance. CAT in LAS was smelly and the riders rude. UTA in SLC was okay but TRAX quit running way too early! I never got a chance to experience any of the transit agencies in the Los Angeles area. I rode transit in DEN once from Arvada to downtown and back. That was okay. The one thing I should have done was ride the streetcar in SFO. I got off at Powell Station BART and walked down Market to Castro. I didn't look that far on the map! Maybe next time.

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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Sun May 13, 2007 12:03 am

I go by bus every day, but that doesn't mean that I like it. Guess I could get a car but to me it just isn't worth it.
 
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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Sun May 13, 2007 2:45 am

Ah the bus. The great contentious issue in Ottawa. The city cancelled to contract to build a light rail system but we do have one of the most expansive BRT (Bus Rapid Transit) systems in North America. Outside of the downtown core many bus routes run on dedicated busways (called Transitways) that cover most of the east-west corridor and the centre-south area of the city. They make it easy to get around easily since they aren't generally on city streets and where they are they usually have bus/carpool lanes or dedicated lanes on the expressways. However the city NEEDS light rail and the fact that it failed and the city is now talking 2010 before the next plan will be finalized really shows how screwed up things can be in city hall.

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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Sun May 13, 2007 2:49 am

I don't know what type of buses the Boston T uses, but most of them are pretty nice. I really like the new electric ones between Harvard Square and Watertown!
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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Sun May 13, 2007 2:51 am

Since I started taking buses about a year ago I have started to become mildly interested in the different models and what they look like. Here in York Region we're invested with D40LFs. Just yesterday I waited a whole 10 minutes just to ride an MCI Classic which I had never rode on before. York Region Transits fleet consists of:

D40LF
D40HF (high floor)
Orion I
Orion V
Orion VI
MCI Classic
Eldorado EZ Riders
Thomas Dennis SLF230s
Thomas Dennis SLF235s

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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Sun May 13, 2007 3:08 am

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 4):
CAT in LAS was smelly and the riders rude.

you hafta ride the "nicer" routes if possible....i dont talk to the other pax cuz they really dont do a thing for me so....oh and we just got some new buses too, New Flyer DE40LF. although they dont have the Detroit Diesel engines like 85% of the fleet does, they have what the other 15% has, the Cummins ISL. were also gettin more Alexander Dennis'...

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 8):
D40LF
D40HF

the D40HFs (from 1994) we have are on their way out and so are those unreliable and horrible Eldorado Transmark 35ft buses....
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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Sun May 13, 2007 4:51 am

I rode SunTran for a year when I was in college at the University of Arizona. I lived too far to walk or safely ride my bike to school, but the #15 bus was just 2 blocks from my house and took me right into campus, my bus pass for the entire academic year cost me only $130 bucks (standard fare was $1.00 w/ one transfer included). The bus ride was not even 20 minutes. Only downside was that the #15 ran every half hour and at peak times it was standing room only.

SunTran had a variety of equipment. Most common on my route were Neoplan AN440s running on CNG. These were the middle aged buses in the fleet. The oldest buses were the RTS. SunTran also had brand new RTS buses as well which ran on CNG and had the wheelchair lifts up front. And the rest of the fleet, and generally the newest buses besides the new RTS models, were New Flyer C40s. All of SunTrans fleet were high floor models.

When I was in grad school in Charlottesville I got around without a car very easily between the university's and city's excellent bus systems. UTS ran a mix of buses all 35 footers, with the bulk of them being diesel powered Gillig Phantoms. And most of the rest being older Orion Is.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/UTS_Orion_I.jpg


Most of the CTS fleet were New Flyer D35LFs.



I always found it odd that some of my friends thought it was strange that I took the bus. But in many ways it was cheaper and easier than driving, or in the case when I did not have a car it was my only choice. So having a good bus system is a huge plus. And after riding on them for a while you start to take notice of the equipment too. Sort of like becoming a bus spotter.
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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Sun May 13, 2007 5:28 am

I also like busses, but in Miami the service is pretty bad, except along some (free) routes. I bought one, a M-B LO-812 chassis and coach by Mascererllo, seats 20. When it gets retired off the line, I'm going to out fit it as a camper and drive it around South America.

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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Sun May 13, 2007 5:34 am

I've always had an interest in public transportation, whether it be buses, trains, trams or tour buses. Since becoming a bus driver, I've become more interested in the transit system (rather, the lack of transit system) in our region of Canada.

Currently, our system is consists of
4 (+1 spare) Dennis Dart SLF, the smaller version with only the front door.
8 Ford Polar Minibuses used for disabled persons services and for 1 regional run.
1 International Thor Eldorado National (this is the bus I'm currently driving) for 1 regional run.

This is all we have for a transit "system" serving close to 80,000 people.

Mind, you we may be getting 4 new buses, 2 more Dennis Darts and 2 more Ford Polar's by the end of the year for "expansion"....  

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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Sun May 13, 2007 5:35 am

I have ridden the buses in TUS a few times. The downtown transit center is a major hub for buses and the homeless, the latter who just sit there all day. The place is outdoors too, so waiting for your bus in the summer is not fun. My Am. Gov't class took the city bus to Superior and Fed. Court downtown because it was cheaper than using a crappy schoolbus. The buses here are somewhat comfortable though. I fell asleep on one coming back from the airshow in March.
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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Mon May 14, 2007 9:08 am

I love transit coaches! Sun Tran-Tucson has a mix of Neoplan, New Flyers and RTS coaches in service. The older Neoplan coaches look like crap due to wear and tear but the newest coaches-bio diesel New Flyers- are really nice. Unfortunately, they aren't as comfortable as the older RTS coaches which will be slowly withdrawn from service in the next few years-the RTS coaches have more padding on the seats. The transit museum I volunteer with is supposed to recieve a donation of one RTS coach from Sun Tran (this from the City of Tucson) when one becomes available. I'll be waiting for my chance to get behind it's wheel (I've got the appropriate license). In fact, I will be working on rebuilding one of our older coaches into a mobile history exhibit for educational and recruiting purposes in the next year or so. The exterior will get a vintage Tucson Rapid Transit paint job and I hope to restore the driver's cab (with fare box). Once you enter the passenger compartment, you'll find a museum quality display on Tucson's transportation history and Old Pueblo Trolley.

I usually take an express bus to and from work at the Pima County Superior Court-gets me there in the same amount of time it would take me to drive and I save money. Pima County employees can purchase a Full Fare Monthly pass for $10 versus $28 for non-Get On and Ride users.

As for service, Sun Tran is adding a new express route and extending service hours on several routes (second round of service extensions). Later this year, more service extensions are expected. All of this is funded through the Regional Transportation Plan which Pima County voters approved a year ago.
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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Mon May 14, 2007 11:44 am

I am not good with bus types and series, however, I have some good experience as a public bus passenger.

Last summer, I rode on SunLine bus in Palm Springs, California area. The bus I rode on was nice, clean, and new.

I've been on COTA buses in Columbus, Ohio - I would ride on them again if I have to. Their bus fleet consists Flyer, Nova, and few other buses.

When I was in college, I rode on Metro buses in Washington, D.C. (as well as Metro subways). Their schedules and routes impress me.

I took public bus once in Ft. Lauderdale, but, right now I can't remember the name of transit company there.

Back in March, I visited Las Vegas and noticed public buses there -- they are rather huge. They have double deck buses -- next time I am in Las Vegas, I must try it.
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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Mon May 14, 2007 12:25 pm

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 14):
I love transit coaches! Sun Tran-Tucson has a mix of Neoplan, New Flyers and RTS coaches in service. The older Neoplan coaches look like crap due to wear and tear but the newest coaches-bio diesel New Flyers- are really nice. Unfortunately, they aren't as comfortable as the older RTS coaches which will be slowly withdrawn from service in the next few years-the RTS coaches have more padding on the seats. The transit museum I volunteer with is supposed to recieve a donation of one RTS coach from Sun Tran (this from the City of Tucson) when one becomes available. I'll be waiting for my chance to get behind it's wheel (I've got the appropriate license). In fact, I will be working on rebuilding one of our older coaches into a mobile history exhibit for educational and recruiting purposes in the next year or so. The exterior will get a vintage Tucson Rapid Transit paint job and I hope to restore the driver's cab (with fare box). Once you enter the passenger compartment, you'll find a museum quality display on Tucson's transportation history and Old Pueblo Trolley.

The Neoplans were kinda rough back when I was still riding in Tucson (2001/2002). While the old RTS buses were cool, especially the driver's compartment. The big downside was that the wheelchair lift was at the back door. So if we ever need to board somebody in a chair it would take twice as long vs. any of the buses w/ a front lift. And wheelchair riders were fairly common on my regular route, the #9.
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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Mon May 14, 2007 12:38 pm

I'm a transit bus junkie as well. San Diego has some Gillig Phantoms, New Flyers, and Ford Cutaways. The Gilligs are on their way out with some new NF C40LF's that arrived back in 2005. I also ride CAT whenever im in Vegas, not just the Deuce, but the local routes, specially the 212 Sunset Rd.and 107 Boulder Hwy. Since they take me to my cousins house in Henderson. I love the old New Flyer's they have.. awesome sounding.
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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Mon May 14, 2007 12:45 pm

Quoting Nicksair (Reply 17):
107 Boulder Hwy

what a scary route! you should hear the stories my Ma's coworker has from that route....

Quoting Nicksair (Reply 17):
I love the old New Flyer's they have.. awesome sounding.

im guessin your talkin about the D40LFs (the ones that are 45% of the time runnin' the 107 rather than the American Ikarus aka NABIs)....i love those ones too!
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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Mon May 14, 2007 12:47 pm

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 18):
im guessin your talkin about the D40LFs (the ones that are 45% of the time runnin' the 107 rather than the American Ikarus aka NABIs)....i love those ones too!

Yup... and i generally ride the 107 during the night as well.. so i have some stories to share as well.. find me on AIM, and ill explain.  Smile
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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Mon May 14, 2007 2:05 pm

I like transit buses. I especially like trolleybuses (electric buses) which are common in Europe, but not so common here in North America (San Francisco, Seattle, and Vancouver spring to my mind...).

I am particularly fascinated by this new Swiss-made double articulated trolleybus currently in use in Genève and Luzern and soon to be introduced in Zürich. It was introduced in 2005 and is called the lighTram3 and is manufactured by the Swiss bus manufacturer Carrosserie Hess, better known as HESS.



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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Mon May 14, 2007 3:12 pm

Hell yes. I rarely ever drive unless I'm heading north to Seattle...the vast majority of my Olympia area transportation is via bus or bike.

The only thing that sucks about the bus is that the only time I don't bring my iPod is when annoying people are talking loudly. Go figure.

A question for the other a.net bus-goers...are your transit centers hang-out spots for odd cliques of people too?
 
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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Tue May 15, 2007 12:40 am

Quoting BA (Reply 20):
It was introduced in 2005 and is called the lighTram3 and is manufactured by the Swiss bus manufacturer Carrosserie Hess, better known as HESS.

Holy Shnikies!! Which are the drive wheels on that thing? Those look cool!

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 21):
are your transit centers hang-out spots for odd cliques of people too?

Tri-Met TCs are usualy hang outs for commuters or people changing lines. Some TCs on the east side are drug and gang hang outs and, before construction, the Transit Mall on 5th and 6th Avenues were hang outs for homeless. The only "odd cliques" I have seen are at Pioneer Courthouse Square.

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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Tue May 15, 2007 3:31 pm

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 16):
The big downside was that the wheelchair lift was at the back door. So if we ever need to board somebody in a chair it would take twice as long vs. any of the buses w/ a front lift.

Yeah. The New Flyers have the lift in the front and the new Bio Diesel Gilligs don't have a lift-they have an extendible ramp at both door positions. My regular routes are the 102 and occasionally the 16 if I have to stay late in downtown. Usually I'll just drive rather than take the 16 due to the length of the trip. The 102 usually gets the RTS coaches which is nice-the seats are more comfortable. The Ronstadt Transit Center downtown is usually pretty good during the morning and afternoon-the homeless don't usually appear until later in the day but the center is monitored constantly.
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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Tue May 15, 2007 3:43 pm

Quoting Nicksair (Reply 19):

if you ever see an odd lookin boy with a camcorder....its probably me!! lol (<- that was for you, Thom@s!)

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 21):
A question for the other a.net bus-goers...are your transit centers hang-out spots for odd cliques of people too?

try the Downtown Transportation Center....you will be very amazed...
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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Tue May 15, 2007 5:26 pm

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Thread starter):
does anyone here but me just love transit buses? i.e. New Flyer D60LFs

We have some of those here in Albuquerque.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABQ_RIDE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_Ride

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RE: Any Public Bus People?

Tue May 15, 2007 6:19 pm

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Thread starter):
does anyone here but me just love transit buses? i.e. New Flyer D60LFs NABI 40-LFWs and such?

I am a bus enthusiast in England. It is amazing to see the variety of buses all over the world. About a year a go me and a mate set up a bus website as a place for bus enthusiasts to share photos and videos of the buses all over the world. We corrently have over 400 images or photos:

www.buswatch.net

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
I do like the historic busses, such as those of Route-master pedigree and older here in the UK, but so long as the modern ones get me from A to B as quickly as possible I don't really mind - although I do like to hear the engine working away hard.

They certainely have a lot of charactor to them  Smile. There is something about that design of bus that makes them almost magical. Although not a Routemaster I was extremely lucky to be able to see and ride on a Lodekka this year (In service as well) for the Cheltenham races. Thank you to the driver for letting me and my mate travel on it. Below is a link to the photos and one to the video of the bus.

Photo:
http://www.buswatch.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=29&pos=19

Video:
http://www.buswatch.net/gallery/disp...image.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=2

I will digitise a video from inside the bus fire it up later on today if I can find it  Smile

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 12):
Mind, you we may be getting 4 new buses, 2 more Dennis Darts and 2 more Ford Polar's by the end of the year for "expansion"....

ROFL LOL

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 21):

A question for the other a.net bus-goers...are your transit centers hang-out spots for odd cliques of people too?

It depends how you define odd?  Wink Big grin duck 

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