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F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 5:11 am

Hi guys,

I've checked the first part of this thread and started the new one to go on.

It was an excited qualification between McLaren and Ferrari. Great result for Massa. I was expecting a pole from Hamilton, he dissappointed me a little bit. May be his car is heavier than the others.
Unfortunately Honda was another dissappointment  Sad

For the race I think Balonso will pass Massa and Hamilton will try to get Kimi. It will be a great start. I hope there won't be any accident.

Let's wait and see..

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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 8:34 am

The McLaren's are looking strong. There is nothing between the top four cars, two hundredths between Massa and Alonso and three tenths back you have Kimi and Hamilton who have a gap of just over three hundredths of a second.

Quoting Emrecan (Thread starter):
Unfortunately Honda was another disappointment

Honda are a perpetual disappointment.
 
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 3:53 pm

Massa has turned into something of a qualfying superstar lately, hasn't he? He's now taken 3 in a row, and 5 of the last 6 I believe, which would have been 6 of 6 if his transmission hadn't failed in Australia during Q3. If he gets away cleanly and leads out of the first corners, he should be able to stay at the front unless Ferrari mess up his strategy. I really dislike both Alonso and Raikkonen because of their personalities, so I hope it's another close battle between Hamilton and Felipe. Only a few hours until the start!
 
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 8:13 pm

Ok,

Time to put your money where your mouth is, sort of.

As I manage to get 1 out of 3 correct for the quali, lets see if I can make it better this time. Big grin

1. Alonso, I think Massa is under pressure to do well, and become Ferraris no. 1 driver, and therefore will make a mistake.
2. Kimi, Looked strong the whole weekend and during testing. Consistent.
3. Massa, he will make the podium though.
4. Hamilton, I think now we will see what he is made off as he will really have to push this time.
5. Kubica, yeah I am confident he will score good this race.

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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 8:16 pm

Quoting Sudden (Reply 3):
Time to put your money where your mouth is, sort of.

mmm I've been thinking on Massa abit more. He takes the last chicane pretty quick, perhaps jumping the curbs abit. Therefore I think he will damage his car slightly somestage during the race at corners 14 and 15.
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 8:22 pm

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 2):
Raikkonen

Oh come on, don't like the World champion in the art of understatement? Dearie me!

Who knows. As the BEEB website has it a single mistake could determine it. Wonder what will happen between the start and the exit to the first corner.
 
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 8:43 pm

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 2):
I really dislike both Alonso and Raikkonen because of their personalities

On the contrary,
I find both these guys to be very good sportsmen, and they are not in this because of their personality, but to race and win.
Kimi is a typical Finnish guy. Do not say much, or express feelings, but he sure knows how to throw an F1 car around the track. And that is what counts.

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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 9:19 pm

Kimi out! Current order, Massa, Hammi, Alonso.

5 retirements as of lap 10. If these retirements keep occuring, the Honda's are in for some good points today Big grin

[Edited 2007-05-13 14:23:18]
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 9:30 pm

Not a normal sight to see a Ferrari break down, and of course it had to be Kimis. Damn!



Quoting Legoguy (Reply 7):
If these retirements keep occuring, the Honda's are in for some good points today

Who knows, we might even see Spyker among the top 10.

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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 9:34 pm

Lego, who´s out
Räikkönen, Trulli, Speed and Webber who else?
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 9:34 pm

Ohhhhh fuel fire on the Ferrari of Massa. Seems to have put itself out half way down the pitlane. Now will that effect his fuel for this stint. His car seemed to be rolling forward slightly during his stop.

Quoting Sudden (Reply 8):
Who knows, we might even see Spyker among the top 10.

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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 9:36 pm

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 9):
Räikkönen, Trulli, Speed and Webber who else?

Both Torro Rosso's now I believe. Scot Speed had a back tyre explode so thats 6 retirements.
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 9:37 pm

Wurz, don´t recall who he drives for.
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 9:38 pm

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 12):
Wurz, don´t recall who he drives for.

Williams. Also Button just lost his wing coming out of the pits fighting for position with teammate Barichello. Believed to be Buttons fault. Hamilton is still hasn't pitted. Looks good.

Heidfeld left pit to early and wheel nut fell off. Picked up by Toyota Pitcrew, but Heidfeld opted to continue on for some strange reason.

[Edited 2007-05-13 14:42:41]
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 9:51 pm

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 13):
Heidfeld left pit to early and wheel nut fell off. Picked up by Toyota Pitcrew, but Heidfeld opted to continue on for some strange reason.

Miscommunication, most likely. Expect some major as chewing for that little stunt, not to mention a long second stint to make up for lost time. A few more retirements and Super Aguri will have a point!
 
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 9:53 pm

Lego, if Heidfeld was already outside his designed pit area he must make one lap, I hardly think they can push him back manually to fit the nut.
Liuzzi is the 6th driver out?
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 9:57 pm

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 15):
Lego, if Heidfeld was already outside his designed pit area he must make one lap, I hardly think they can push him back manually to fit the nut.

He was 10 metres outside of his pitarea. Going out with no wheel nut on the front right is dangerous.

Im not sure which retirement number Liuzzi is.

David Coulthard is 5th! Brilliant. Fingers crossed for no retirement. The race is boring up front but exciting midfield.

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 14):
A few more retirements and Super Aguri will have a point!

It's a possibility Big grin
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 10:01 pm

One Ferrari,
Two Toro Rosso,
One Williams,
One Toyota,
One Red Bull
Those are the cars who are out.
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 10:08 pm

Awwww no Ferrari fire this time  Sad

Fisi has to stop again. LMAO at RTL

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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 10:11 pm

Ralf Schumi out in the remain Toyota. Nearly ran down his brother Michael on the way into the pits.  bigthumbsup  Only kidding.
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 10:14 pm

Heidfeld out also now, but doesn't really matter as he was near the back after his tyre problem during the first stop.
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 10:17 pm

OK and Kovolainen gets his race ruined by inability to get fuel into the car.
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 10:22 pm

just about 10 laps to go....and looks like its going to be a winner for ferrari.

What makes me angry...is why did they give Hamilton Hard Tires for the third leg?...he was obviously faster on the softs.

[Edited 2007-05-13 15:23:19]
 
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 10:42 pm

1. Massa
2. Hamilton
3. Alonso
4. Kubica
5. Coulthard
6. Kovalainen
7. Sato (first point for Super Aguri Big grin)
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 10:53 pm

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 22):
he was obviously faster on the softs.

Because he was on the soft for legs 1 and 2 and you have to use both grades of tires, soft and hard within the race.

Haha the trophys were great and alonso being third, the big prick gets a little prick  Wink

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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 10:54 pm

Well done to Massa!
P1 in quali
Fastest race lap
Winner

Also very well done to Kubica, and not to mention SAF1 and Sato who were able to hold Fisi behind him.
D.C were also shining as although he lost 3rd gear he was able to hold P5.

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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 11:11 pm

Hamilton is just amazing, another podium for him.
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 11:23 pm

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 24):
Because he was on the soft for legs 1 and 2 and you have to use both grades of tires, soft and hard within the race.

Both Hamilton and Alonso were given hard compounds for their 2nd legs, but for the third leg, Hamilton was given hards, and Alonso softs.

No Matter, Still good race for McLaren.

I was really surprised to hear that Massa didn't know he had a fuel fire...or at least he acted that way in the Interviews.
 
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 11:45 pm

Quoting Sudden (Reply 3):
1. Alonso, I think Massa is under pressure to do well, and become Ferraris no. 1 driver, and therefore will make a mistake.



Quoting Legoguy (Reply 4):
mmm I've been thinking on Massa abit more. He takes the last chicane pretty quick, perhaps jumping the curbs abit. Therefore I think he will damage his car slightly somestage during the race at corners 14 and 15.

Maybe after a couple more dominant drives, people will stop predicting that Massa will mess things up and blow the race. He has become incredibly quick during the races, and if he isn't trying to pass someone he doesn't make mistakes. He has learned from Malaysia, and if he had been stuck behind Alonso after T1, I think he would have kept cool and waited until the pitstops to pass him anyway. Happy that my new favorite driver scored such a dominant win, though it did make for a rather boring race!

Quoting Sudden (Reply 6):
On the contrary,
I find both these guys to be very good sportsmen, and they are not in this because of their personality, but to race and win.
Kimi is a typical Finnish guy. Do not say much, or express feelings, but he sure knows how to throw an F1 car around the track. And that is what counts.

Good sportsmen? Kimi, perhaps... he never says much of anything, least of all negative comments about his team or other drivers, but Alonso... I just don't like his attitude, he always blames someone or something else for his poor performances. Look at the press conference today, he seemed to think that he was ahead of Massa and that Felipe should have backed off, when it is pretty clear that he squeezed Massa and the contact was entirely his fault, not to mention the reckless move of coming straight back onto the racing line and nearly collecting both Lewis and Kimi. I was happy to see him do no better than 3rd, especially with Hamilton outperforming him so easily today!

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 27):
I was really surprised to hear that Massa didn't know he had a fuel fire...or at least he acted that way in the Interviews.

I'm not suprised, I guess the team realized immediately that the fire would go out once the small amount of spilled fuel burned off, and they didn't want to tell Massa so as not to worry him needlessly.

I was thrilled to see DC net 5th place, even though the Red Bull did everything it could to keep him from finnishing. Notice how slow his laptimes were at the end? Watching the onboard, it's clear that he had a transmission problem as he didn't have 3rd gear at all and seemed to be taking most corners in 4th gear or higher. Guess that new seamless shift transmission for Red Bull isn't quite sorted yet.

I hope the next race has a little more excitment, and that we've seen the last retirement from any of the top 4 drivers, though Kimi is bound to have some more bad luck at some point.
 
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Sun May 13, 2007 11:48 pm

Trivia, when was the last time a rookie led the championship?
JV?

Great win for Massa, but McLaren Mercedes needs more speed if they want to take the championship.
I really want Lewis to win Monaco.
 
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Mon May 14, 2007 6:28 am

Is it just me or do Ferrari need to get their fuel rigs in order? They always seem to be having pit lane fires.
 
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Mon May 14, 2007 7:08 am

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 29):
Trivia, when was the last time a rookie led the championship?
JV?

Villeneuve never led in 1996... the 4 point gap after the Australian GP in 1996 was the closest it was during that season.

Looking really quickly, I can't find any other instance of a 'rookie' leading the points...

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 30):
Is it just me or do Ferrari need to get their fuel rigs in order? They always seem to be having pit lane fires.

When did they have another one? (Asking literally, not being sarcastic)
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Mon May 14, 2007 10:43 am

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 31):
When did they have another one? (Asking literally, not being sarcastic)

Schumacher had quite a few, I think there may have been one last season and there was one in Austria a few years back. They certainly seem to have them more then any other team.

Atleast with F1 you can see the flame unlike in Champ Car where the methanol burns with an invisible flame.
 
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Mon May 14, 2007 4:48 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 30):
Is it just me or do Ferrari need to get their fuel rigs in order? They always seem to be having pit lane fires

It's their trademark, and it always look spectacular, so let them run with it. Big grin

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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Mon May 14, 2007 6:44 pm

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 31):
When did they have another one?

Austria 2003 is what Bill is refering to, IIRC
 
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Tue May 15, 2007 7:28 am

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 34):
Austria 2003 is what Bill is refering to, IIRC

Correct, but I have a feeling it may have happened again since then.
 
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RE: F1 2007 Spain GP Part-2

Wed May 16, 2007 8:51 pm

Well I have a few things to say about this season.

1) I actually miss Michael Schumacher  Confused and I don't really know why. Perhaps I miss the controversy he brought to most weekends, or perhaps I miss his racing skills. Or both. It's just not the same without him.

2) Despite Massa's ocassional mistake, he will win the championship. Out of four races so far, he has performed well in three of them. Riakkonen on the other hand does not seem to be as fast as Phelippe at the moment. Only time will tell. I am willing to bet £34837398 on Massa winning this season.

3) The Ferrari's are less resistant to failures of some sort than McLaren. 2 failures for Ferrari so far. I hope this does not happen to much to interfere with the championship.

4) Hamilton. 4 races. 4 podiums. First time a rookie has ever been leading a championship. He is the only guy out of the top four which has not got a race win. There is always a pesky Ferrari that storms off infront. Surely he will win a race this season? He has become a legend now in Britain, but I think it's time he stopped hiding before races and let Martin Brundle finally do a quick grid interview with him. No more 'I can't get interviewed, it's not good for my nerves'.

5) The Red Bull's are plagued with problems, but when they have a problem free race, they have the pace to challenge the BMW's, which is great. I believe after 3 years (?) of uncompetiveness, they are due a decent car.

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 28):
Maybe after a couple more dominant drives, people will stop predicting that Massa will mess things up and blow the race.

It's hard to forget the silly mistakes he made last year as well as his mistake at Bahrain this season, but yes, when in front, he has what it takes. When behind, I have yet to be convinced.

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 28):
Look at the press conference today, he seemed to think that he was ahead of Massa and that Felipe should have backed off, when it is pretty clear that he squeezed Massa and the contact was entirely his fault, not to mention the reckless move of coming straight back onto the racing line and nearly collecting both Lewis and Kimi.

Heres a video of the incident at the start.



I can't really place the blame on either Alonso or Massa, for Alonso going off. It was mentioned after the race that both cars touched. The touch must (if it did happen) happen going into corner one where Alonso has the proper racing line and was slightly ahead of Massa. If he had the racing line and was slightly ahead, perhaps Massa should have backed off? I am unsure.
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