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Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Sun May 13, 2007 7:50 pm

The Australian Government has banned the world champions from touring Zimbabwe stating that they dont want to give a boost to the dictator Mugabe.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/cricket/article1783543.ece

What do you guys think? Personally I agree. Cricket Zimbabwe is run by a bunch of thugs loyal to Mugabe who have destroyed the game locally and any match fees more or less go to the top brass and very little makes it to the players. I hate to see politics in sport but I think this is the right decision.

As for Zimbabwe being elected to chair the Commission of Sustainable Development in the UN just goes to show what farce the UN is. Every thing the Zimbabwean government has done over the last 27 years points to unsustainable development.
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Sun May 13, 2007 7:58 pm

disagree with the government on this one...the long suffering people of Zimbabwe could do with some kind of happiness!
 
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Sun May 13, 2007 8:28 pm

I tend to go with the Zim opinions and most seem to be against touring, so I guess I support the ban. I do hope though that it has been sorted out this does not mean a bribe to Mugabe. After the AWB I will believe almost anything.

Interesting that the PM discussed it with Ponting first. Wonder if he really sought an opinion or was telling him how it would be.

But what the HELL is the rest of Africa doing? Especially Thabo Mbeki. SA is being swamped with refugees and all it does is send the poor buggers back to that misery. Last year I was up near the Zim border and police presence to find refugees was pretty obvious. So sad. Mandela must be close to ropable.
 
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Sun May 13, 2007 8:35 pm

Quoting Metalinyoni (Thread starter):
What do you guys think? Personally I agree.

I agree too, it's a token gesture but it keeps the spotlight firmily on Grace's regime.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 2):

But what the HELL is the rest of Africa doing? Especially Thabo Mbeki.

Surely you don't expect the rest of Africa to do anything? If only.....

Quoting Baroque (Reply 2):
Mandela must be close to ropable.

Do you mean Mugabe?  Smile
 
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Sun May 13, 2007 8:57 pm

ICC has proposed that the matches be played on a neutral venue
 
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Sun May 13, 2007 9:05 pm

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 3):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 2):
Mandela must be close to ropable.

Do you mean Mugabe? Smile

I really don't think anything affects Mugabe, he is totally confident of his control. Whereas Mandela the calm, does get agitated about injustice and stupidity, but I do understand your comment.

Mugabe's control is why I think I support the ban, everything that is positive there is used to support him. I guess listening to Henry Olonga being interviewed influences me too. When you see how the situation has wrecked his career and you realise he is one of the lucky ones, you start to feel for the millions who are so much worse off that the Olongas. Not to mention the bashings and hospitalization of the opposition.
 
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Sun May 13, 2007 9:06 pm

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 3):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 2):
Mandela must be close to ropable.

Do you mean Mugabe?

Could be Mandela  Wink

 
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Mon May 14, 2007 6:07 pm

And now Mr Mugabe is crying racism and human rights issues.....maybe he should take a good hard look in his backyard and see all his racism and human rights issues.

Australias decision is an excellent decision, sadly thou the compensation money will go directly to Mugabe and his wifes shopping trips
 
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Mon May 14, 2007 6:42 pm

Well, countries forfeited matches against Zim during the 2003 WC, so why not now?
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Mon May 14, 2007 6:47 pm

I still canmt believe that apparantly so little is being done with regards to Mugabe, especially, as mentioned previously, by African nations. Its a disgrace. Perhaps the economic situation may bring some sort of revolt internally?

Anyway, right decision for me. Was watching Sky Sports yesterday, and due to the live match being rained out, guys like Hussain and Atherton were discussing all sorts, inluding this decision, and Athers mentioned how Hussain wished the government had taken this decison for him a few years back when England had to tour. The Aussie government stepped in, and good on them. Mugabe has appointed political cronies to run the cricket game down there, so it would certainly be a propoganda issue if they did tour. There was the whole issue of Mugabe wanting to publicly shake the hands of all the players when England previously toured, for example. Yes the ordinary people may suffer, but the ICC once again seems to be putting money before other things - Malcolm Speed has called the decision 'unfortunate'!
 
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Mon May 14, 2007 6:59 pm

Whilst it's easy to applaud the motives for the decision the Australian government have taken, it isn't quite as simple as saying the UK were just wrong in the way they handled it a few years ago. The British government took the view that it wasn't their business to be arbitrarily banning sports teams from visiting countries because they didn't like them. In a democracy, it's not the government's role to do such a thing. Now, you can agree or disagree with that - and I think there are arguments of merit on both sides, but it isn't as easy as saying Australia did this Britain didn't do that, hooray for Australia.
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Mon May 14, 2007 7:21 pm

Banco

Agree with what you say. It was certainly a difficult situation, and it must be very different for Britain when it comes to another commonwealth country (Zimbabwe still in? Or are they suspended?). Anyway it doesnt really help when it seems that players dont want to go, with some boycotting, and the ICC seems to want to sit on the sidelines.
 
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Mon May 14, 2007 7:48 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 10):
hooray for Australia.

What did I just read? The world has turned upside down!!

I agree with this decision. A stand must be taken - and this is one of many available. It keeps the spotlight on the regime, it shows Australia still occasionally has some principles and a sense of humanity, and it highlights the fact that there are unfortunate consequences to deplorable acts.

In the spirit of the 1960s/1970s rugby boycotts - I applaud this.

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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Mon May 14, 2007 7:59 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 12):
I agree with this decision. A stand must be taken - and this is one of many available.

But my point was that whilst instinctively it's a decision that can easily be agreed with, Australia and the UK are democracies, and whilst it's for entirely the right reasons, it's a little against our own principles for a government to forbid a sports team to tour whilst at the same time allowing trade to continue, don't you think?

I've no criticism of the decision itself, except to say that I can also understand the British government taking the opposite view that it is not the business of government in a free nation to forbid a tour, not least because they have no legal power (here) to do so.
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Tue May 15, 2007 5:11 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 13):
and whilst it's for entirely the right reasons, it's a little against our own principles for a government to forbid a sports team to tour whilst at the same time allowing trade to continue, don't you think?

Yes, and this argument is proceeding quite nicely at the moment. We should have full economic sanctions by the end of the week! I hear from some bureaucrat friends in Canberra that there's a few bets going around as to how long it will take the Zimbabweans to recall their High Comissioner (or should that now be Ambassador?).

Yes, in a free liberal democracy this does seem out of place. But a line must be drawn when it comes to Zimbabwe, and if national cricket teams refuse to tour in the country, perhaps that may go a little way toward eroding the support base of one of the 21st century's worst dictators.

Quoting Banco (Reply 13):
not least because they have no legal power (here) to do so.

Yes, I was wondering how exactly our Federal Government has the legal power to refuse a sports team the ability to tour elsewhere. Don't quite understand that.

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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Tue May 15, 2007 5:18 am

Quoting Metalinyoni (Thread starter):
As for Zimbabwe being elected to chair the Commission of Sustainable Development in the UN just goes to show what farce the UN is

The UN a farce? How about the 26 member nations of the CSD that voted them in? The strength of any organisation is in its Members - don't blame the UN.
 
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Tue May 15, 2007 5:20 am

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 14):
should have full economic sanctions by the end of the week!

 biggrin 

It's a difficult one, isn't it? The logic is that they should follow, but the chances are that they would hit the Zimbabwean people, whilst Mugabe carries on eating his caviare and counting his US dollars.

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 14):
Yes, I was wondering how exactly our Federal Government has the legal power to refuse a sports team the ability to tour elsewhere. Don't quite understand that.

Is it possible that they've simply said that the team are banned from going?
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Tue May 15, 2007 6:13 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 16):
Is it possible that they've simply said that the team are banned from going?

Quite possibly, yes. Still, somehow I'll find a way to blame the GG and the monarchy. Just you wait!

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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Tue May 15, 2007 6:26 am

There was talk of this when the australians and the english toured the place four years ago. To be frank not much has changed in the past 4 years to warrant a abandoning of the series, what it is doing at most is to destroy any money little money which is going to the players and their families.
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Tue May 15, 2007 3:15 pm

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 1):
disagree with the government on this one...the long suffering people of Zimbabwe could do with some kind of happiness!

You think that the oppressed people in Zim are going to be grateful that somewhere in their country, their cricket team is getting thrashed by the Aussies, while Mugabe sits back, comfortable that other countries are happy to send sporting delegations there? I'm not sure you have grasped the gravity of the situation!!

Politics and sport mixing is a reality, particularly for teams like Zim and AUS where the sports teams are some of the most well recognised ambassadors for their countries. Personally I think this should have been done by the ICC, but it's pretty clear what a disfunctional bunch they are!!
 
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Tue May 15, 2007 4:07 pm

Quoting Metalinyoni (Thread starter):
The Australian Government has banned the world champions from touring Zimbabwe stating that they dont want to give a boost to the dictator Mugabe.

I applaud Australia for the decision. In the end, the people who are even free to play a game of cricket wouldn't be doing this if that vicious bastard Mugabe wasn't backing this.
 
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Tue May 15, 2007 4:16 pm

Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 19):
You think that the oppressed people in Zim are going to be grateful that somewhere in their country, their cricket team is getting thrashed by the Aussies, while Mugabe sits back, comfortable that other countries are happy to send sporting delegations there? I'm not sure you have grasped the gravity of the situation!!

its got nothing to do with the result from the game and everything to do with a distraction from the brutality of the Mugabe regime. I'm well aware of the situation genius, I started a thread on how bad it was about 8 weeks ago.
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I just find it rather strange that Howard was never opposed to the Australian's touring South Africa under the apartheid regime but he now opposes our team touring Zimbabwe.
 
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Tue May 15, 2007 5:20 pm

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 21):
its got nothing to do with the result from the game and everything to do with a distraction from the brutality of the Mugabe regime. I'm well aware of the situation genius, I started a thread on how bad it was about 8 weeks ago.

Well I wasn't really stressing the result of the game either, (just stating the obvious). The real point is the endorsement of what's going on.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 21):
I just find it rather strange that Howard was never opposed to the Australian's touring South Africa under the apartheid regime but he now opposes our team touring Zimbabwe.

What was your opinion of rugby teams touring during Aparthied?
 
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Tue May 15, 2007 5:32 pm

Should just ban cricket full stop  Wink
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RE: Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe

Tue May 15, 2007 11:54 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 14):
Yes, I was wondering how exactly our Federal Government has the legal power to refuse a sports team the ability to tour elsewhere. Don't quite understand that.

Having watched Bastard Boys over two nights (for the non Aus, it is the story of Howard and the Min for Industrial Relations trying to break the waterfront unions in 1997-98) why does not Howard offer Zim to send over the SAS cricket team for a spot of training? And the UK could join in with a joint goodwill tour. You should be in that Banco. Kiwis welcome too.

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