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Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Mon May 14, 2007 9:17 pm

The 281 passengers and crew members aboard the U.S.-flagged cruise ship Empress of the North are abandoning ship in lifeboats after the ship ran aground about 58 miles from Juneau, Alaska, according to U.S. Coast Guard Cmdr. Jeff Carter.

http://www.cnn.com/

Hope they get all alive off !

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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Mon May 14, 2007 9:45 pm

Must be recent news.

I've been up all night and haven't heard it yet.

There are some VERY trecherous shoals just in that area. Many ships have been lost in that area. Princess Louis, for one. The most famous, the Princess Sophia.

Here's info on the ship.

http://www.majesticamericaline.com/products/Ship.aspx?ID=3

The line operating this ship is relatively new to Alaska.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Mon May 14, 2007 9:52 pm

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Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

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Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
Hope they get all alive off !

They'll be fine. Running aground is not that big of a deal for the folks on board. The wildlife around them though might have a tough time.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Mon May 14, 2007 10:02 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 2):
They'll be fine. Running aground is not that big of a deal for the folks on board. The wildlife around them though might have a tough time.

Depends on how fast the ship is taking on water, and whether the crew is properly trained, and all their life saving equipment is operating properly.

Running aground in Alaska is no joke. There is no such thing as a "sandy bottom" in most places - especially where this ship was operating.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Mon May 14, 2007 10:05 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 3):
Depends on how fast the ship is taking on water, and whether the crew is properly trained, and all their life saving equipment is operating properly.

remember the Greek ship some weeks ago it also ran aground an sank ...
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Mon May 14, 2007 10:17 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 3):
Running aground in Alaska is no joke. There is no such thing as a "sandy bottom" in most places - especially where this ship was operating.

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http://www.lighthousefriends.com/princessmay2.jpg

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2004/images/leconte051004b.jpg

Somewhere I have an excellent phot of the Alaska Ferry Taku aground near Prince Rupert with the British Columbia Ferry Queen of Prince Rupert off loading Take's vehicle cargo . . . . I don't have it digitized though.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Mon May 14, 2007 10:36 pm

60 miles north of Juneau.

Can't be that far away from where the Princess Kathleen went aground in 52'

As mentioned before every couple of years something big ends up on the rocks, about three years ago it was the state ferry LeConte. This boat is a paddlewheeler built a couple years ago and has a double bottom, so I don't think it sounds like they are going to loose her.

Still you want to get the pax off, you don't need to repeat the Princess Sophia disaster.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 1:48 am

Everyone's off. The State Ferry Columbia took the bulk of the passengers and is headed to Juneau (Auke Bay).

Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):
Can't be that far away from where the Princess Kathleen went aground in 52'

That whole stretch, from Icy Sound north, is just deadly. I was in Juneau when the Prinsendam went down in 1980.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 2:08 am

What is with all these idiots running ships aground. With todays technology there is no good reason to run aground. By the way I was on the ship that ran aground in St. Martin years back. I wasn't on the ship at the time but right after the repairs. That episode must have been a spotters dream due to all the 747s they had to charter to fly into St. Martin and get the passengers out.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 2:12 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 8):
What is with all these idiots running ships aground. With todays technology there is no good reason to run aground.

I'm not ready to call anyone an idiot, but I was wondering the same myself. Having traveled those waters a lot, I know how dangerous they are, but everything is very clearly marked. The charts are exceptionally well detailed, and a ship that size has radar & sonar (hell we had a 30ft cruiser, and we wouldn't travel w/o sonar). Closer in to shore, rocks do rise up rapidly from the deep, but again, thats a known fact, so there is no reason to be close in except for known safe zones. I'll be interested in hearing the results of the investigation.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 2:58 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 8):
What is with all these idiots running ships aground.

Obviously too early to know, but the BC Ferriy Queen of the North went down just over a year ago near Hartley Bay because the crew on the bridge weren't paying attention and didn't make a routine course correction. The ship ran into the rocks at full speed. Two people are missing and presumed drowned, but what saved this from being a real disaster is the ship was less than half full. It sank very quickly and I've seen a few articles suggesting that they might not have had enough time to get everyone off if the ship had been full/.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 3:45 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
British Columbia Ferry Queen of Prince Rupert

Wasn't she renamed the Queen of the North (and is now almost a km below)?

Quoting Arrow (Reply 10):
BC Ferriy Queen of the North went down just over a year ago near Hartley Bay because the crew on the bridge weren't paying attention and didn't make a routine course correction.

The rumour that I heard was that the two people on the bridge, one male - one female, were up to something other than making routine course corrections.
 
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 3:49 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 8):
What is with all these idiots running ships aground. With todays technology there is no good reason to run aground.

All the technology in the world won't help if you aren't paying attention.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 3:52 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 12):
All the technology in the world won't help if you aren't paying attention.

Or not trained to use it properly.
 
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 4:28 am

Quoting ANother (Reply 11):
The rumour that I heard was that the two people on the bridge, one male - one female, were up to something other than making routine course corrections.

Yes, that's the rumour. We should know more when the NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) report comes out in a few weeks. Ferries union, on legal advice, told the three to refuse to cooperate with the internal investigaion, and so they refused to answer any questions. Apparently they did talk to the NTSB investigators. But the three on the bridge that night have all been fired by BC Ferries. There's little doubt that this one is entirely human error.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 4:35 am

CNN reports: " ... All 248 passengers evacuated, U.S. Coast Guard says ... "

And the ship's website says: " ... the Empress of the North offers for just 223 guests ... "


Is it just me, or . . . ?
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 4:44 am

Quoting Diamond (Reply 15):
Is it just me, or . . . ?

Seems strange, but perhaps 281 is the total number of people on board including crew.
 
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 4:47 am

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 16):
Seems strange, but perhaps 281 is the total number of people on board including crew.

That isn't quite what I meant. The story said something about 60+ crewmenbers. So I assume those are seperate from "passengers".

I was suggesting that there might be 25 more paying passengers than the supposed capacity of the ship.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 7:39 am

Any pics of the ship run aground yet.

Looked at the pics of her from the website and she seems to be quiet low in the water
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 11:30 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 7):
I was in Juneau when the Prinsendam went down in 1980.

Caught fire and Sank, @85 miles Southwest of Sitka. I remember that.

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 9):
Having traveled those waters a lot, I know how dangerous they are, but everything is very clearly marked.

The ship grounded on a LIGHTED reef. A lighted reef that was in fact working. Someone will have their butt in a sling over this.

Quoting ANother (Reply 11):
Wasn't she renamed the Queen of the North (and is now almost a km below)?

No. Queen of Prince Rupert and Queen of the North are separate ships entirely. Queen of Prince Rupert has been chruning along up here for thirty years. Queen of the North was bought fifteen or so years ago and brought from Europe. She was a fine ship - til she grounded and sank. Regardless, Q of Prince Rupert and Q of the North are two separate ships.
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Quoting Searpqx (Reply 7):
The State Ferry Columbia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M/V_Columbia
http://www.akmhs.com/information/vessels.cfm#Columbia
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http://www.pbase.com/kstapleton/image/44512306

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Quoting Trekster (Reply 18):
Any pics of the ship run aground yet.

Plenty on CNN. I'll check the Anchorage paper in the morning.

Barely noticeable, and the ship is now in port in Juneau (Auke Bay).
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 12:15 pm

Link to the 17th coast guard district.

http://www.uscgalaska.com/external/index.cfm?cid=780

Quoting Trekster (Reply 18):
Looked at the pics of her from the website and she seems to be quiet low in the water

Yeah, but keep in mind that boat is styled on a river sternwheeler, so there isn't a lot of freeboard to begin with, and that is one reason why that boat will never see outside waters.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
I have an excellent phot of the Alaska Ferry Taku aground near Prince Rupert with the British Columbia Ferry Queen of Prince Rupert off loading Take's vehicle cargo

The AKMHS has put quite a few of their boats up on the rocks, Taku, LeConte, Columbia, and I think the Malispina have all found themselves "Embarassed"

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 8):
What is with all these idiots running ships aground. With todays technology there is no good reason to run aground.



Quoting Searpqx (Reply 9):
I'm not ready to call anyone an idiot, but I was wondering the same myself. Having traveled those waters a lot, I know how dangerous they are, but everything is very clearly marked. The charts are exceptionally well detailed, and a ship that size has radar & sonar (hell we had a 30ft cruiser, and we wouldn't travel w/o sonar). Closer in to shore, rocks do rise up rapidly from the deep, but again, thats a known fact, so there is no reason to be close in except for known safe zones. I'll be interested in hearing the results of the investigation

I won't call them that either, because there are still rocks that haven't been found yet out there.

A few years back, Noaa discovered a new rock when they ran one of their 20 foot sonar boats from Rainer up on one while taking bottom soundings.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 12:21 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 20):
Taku

First time was going in to Prince Rupert (in 1966 IIRC). Didn't quite make the turn in the fog. Grounded hard. Queen of Prince Rupert rescued her. I have a photo somewhere. I'll have to digitize it and post it when I get home later this week.

On Taku's maiden voyage some kids in Petersburg snuck into the wheelhouse - ship was running of course (no one manning the bridge) - threw the engines into full ahead, and ripped away half the new dock there. See, yesterdays kids were punks too.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 20):
LeConte

Last year, heading in to Sitka.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 20):
Columbia

Don't remember. I do recall her engine room fire (electrical panel) in 2000.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 20):
Malispina

I think it was Matanuska. I have a picture of that also. Huge hole in the bottom. I'll post it too.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 12:24 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 21):
On Taku's maiden voyage some kids in Petersburg snuck into the wheelhouse - ship was running of course (no one manning the bridge) - threw the engines into full ahead, and ripped away half the new dock there. See, yesterdays kids were punks too.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 20):
LeConte

Last year, heading in to Sitka.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 20):
Columbia

Don't remember. I do recall her engine room fire (electrical panel) in 2000.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 20):
Malispina

I think it was Matanuska. I have a picture of that also. Huge hole in the bottom. I'll post it too.

Come to think about the Tusty might be the only one that hasn't been on the rocks.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 12:40 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 22):
Come to think about the Tusty might be the only one that hasn't been on the rocks.

Here's an interesting historical read on such things:

Including the many trials and tribulations of Taku:

http://www.sitnews.us/0706news/070806/070806_marine_highway.html
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 12:46 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 20):
I won't call them that either, because there are still rocks that haven't been found yet out there.

I spent 6 years afloat while in the Coast Guard, and in my experience, if you find a rock by accident, you're probably not where you should be in relation to the navigable channel.

On a related note, I see the Kodiak Daily Mirror reporting that the CO of the Alex Haley has been temporarily relieved of command. Anybody up north know the details?

Of course, when you trample on tradition by adopting the motto of a ship that was the REAL "Bulldog of the Bering" before it became the "Queen of the Fleet," bad things are apt to happen.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 1:06 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 24):
I see the Kodiak Daily Mirror reporting that the CO of the Alex Haley has been temporarily relieved of command. Anybody up north know the details

It hit the news last week, but I never heard anything as to why other then the catch-all, "Lack of Confidence"
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 1:30 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 23):
Including the many trials and tribulations of Taku:

The Taku may have had its problems, but I have nothing but love for that ship. I spent many a high school hour roaming her decks as we traveled to/from games in other SE towns. I've been stranded by the LeConte, Malispina and Columbia, but the Taku always got us home.
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Tue May 15, 2007 4:57 pm

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 26):
The Taku may have had its problems, but I have nothing but love for that ship. I spent many a high school hour roaming her decks as we traveled to/from games in other SE towns.

Matanuska has my childhood heart.

Back in the day both her Captains were named Johnson. Wally and Jack. Both knew my Dad well. I've been on her bridge docking in Seattle (Pier 48 back in the day) and got the crap scared outta me when the whistle blew - hey, I was like 5 years old.

Three years ago, took the Matanuska Skagway to Juneau. Went to the bar - of course. Got to talking to the bartender, who remembered my Dad. She'd been aboard Matanuska since it was launched.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 25):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 24):
I see the Kodiak Daily Mirror reporting that the CO of the Alex Haley has been temporarily relieved of command. Anybody up north know the details

It hit the news last week, but I never heard anything as to why other then the catch-all, "Lack of Confidence"

No idea, as L-188 says, "Lack of Confidence" and that was the last I heard of it.

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 26):
Malispina



Quoting L-188 (Reply 20):
Malispina

MalAspina  wink 
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 5:15 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 19):
Queen of Prince Rupert and Queen of the North are separate ships entirely

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Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 19):
Queen of the North was bought fifteen or so years ago and brought from Europe.

Actually, the Queen of the North was bought by BC Ferries in 1974 from the Stena Line. She was originally named the Queen of Surrey and sailed between Horseshoe Bay and Departure Bay (Vancouver to Nanaimo). Decommissioned in 1976 until 1980 when she was renamed the Queen of the North and sailed the Inside Passage from Port Hardy to Prince Rupert until her sinking last year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_the_North

And yes, even for Wikipedia, the information is quite accurate. I used to have a book on BC Ferries from the 1980's, great book but I misplaced it years ago. I guess I should look it up online and see if I can order another copy.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 19):
She was a fine ship

She was also BC Ferries' flagship.
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Tue May 15, 2007 5:32 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 28):
Decommissioned in 1976 until 1980 when she was renamed the Queen of the North and sailed the Inside Passage from Port Hardy to Prince Rupert until her sinking last year.

Ahhh, I thought she came from Stena in '80. Thanks for the info . . . .

I have sailed on QPR, but not the ill-fated Queen of the North.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 28):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 19):
She was a fine ship

She was also BC Ferries' flagship.

  

Have you seen photos of her replacement?

http://www.pbase.com/kstapleton/mv_sonia

Not a very atrractive ship IMO. Queen of the North was much 'prettier'.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 28):
And yes, even for Wikipedia, the information is quite accurate. I used to have a book on BC Ferries from the 1980's, great book but I misplaced it years ago. I guess I should look it up online and see if I can order another copy.

I have several books on the Alaska system, and one on the BC system.

Not too many people know the Alaska system didn't start with Taku, but with Chilkoot. In the late 1950s, it was a former US Navy Landing Ship Tank. Then came Chilkat. Ditto. But it had an enclosed car deck. Then the Malaspina, Matanuska, Taku. On and on. I know the history of each ship (including Wickersham and Bartlett - both no longer in service).  biggrin 

I've sailed on them all.

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Tue May 15, 2007 5:54 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 29):
Have you seen photos of her replacement?

http://www.pbase.com/kstapleton/mv_sonia

Not a very atrractive ship IMO. Queen of the North was much 'prettier'.

The Northern Adventure (as BC Ferries has named her) is a very nice ship, but not nearly as you said, not as pretty as the QotN.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 29):
I have several books on the Alaska system, and one on the BC system.

If you find the time, I'd appreciate it if you could IM me sometime with the author of the book you have on the BC system, might help me in the search of my misplaced gem.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 29):
I've sailed on them all.

I've only been on BC Ferries Southern Fleet ...  Sad
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Tue May 15, 2007 5:58 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 30):
If you find the time, I'd appreciate it if you could IM me sometime with the author of the book you have on the BC system, might help me in the search of my misplaced gem.

When I get home later this week, my pleasure.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 30):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 29):
I've sailed on them all.

I've only been on BC Ferries Southern Fleet ...

Don't really have a choice growing up in Southeast Alaska. You had to take the ferry, and pretty much still do. Back in the day, there was no Klondike Highway 2 to Carcross and Whitehorse. It was ferries or bust.
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Tue May 15, 2007 6:02 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 31):
When I get home later this week, my pleasure.

Much appreciated ...   

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 31):
Don't really have a choice growing up in Southeast Alaska. You had to take the ferry, and pretty much still do. Back in the day, there was no Klondike Highway 2 to Carcross and Whitehorse. It was ferries or bust.

Ahhh, to live by the sea ...   

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Tue May 15, 2007 8:24 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 25):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 24):
I see the Kodiak Daily Mirror reporting that the CO of the Alex Haley has been temporarily relieved of command. Anybody up north know the details

It hit the news last week, but I never heard anything as to why other then the catch-all, "Lack of Confidence"

Heard from an inside source this morning that it was the usual - little head thinking for the big head.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Tue May 15, 2007 11:49 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 30):
The Northern Adventure (as BC Ferries has named her) is a very nice ship, but not nearly as you said, not as pretty as the QotN.

Is she back in service? They took her off line after only a week or so because of a bunch of electrical issues (elevator not working was one of them). BC Ferries has a couple of new ships scheduled to arrive for the southern fleet in the next year or two.

I've sailed on the Queen of the North (Prince Rupert to Port Hardy) and both the Taku and Matanuska (Prince Rupert to Skagway and return) years ago when we hiked the Chilkoot Pass. To my mind, all those ships are a treasure and beat the hell out of those monstrosities that now haul the rich folks up and down the inside passage in the lap of luxury. I remember unrolling sleeping bags between a couple of secluded seat rows on the Alaska ships on the overnight runs.

And I remember bolting out of our below-waterline cabin on the Queen of the North in the middle of the night when it pulled into Bella Coola (I think). We were awoken by the god-awful noise the bow-thruster made and we thought we were sinking. I've run that one over my mind a few times in the last year or so.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Wed May 16, 2007 2:43 am

Hello All

When my wife read this story she was freaking out, we are going on a Royal Caribbean Alaska Cruise on May 25.

I had to tell her that this does not happen all the time.  Big grin  Big grin  Big grin

Air and sea trip report to follow.

Cheers

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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Wed May 16, 2007 2:49 am

Quoting Swatpamike (Reply 35):
Royal Caribbean

That was the company the grounded in St. Martin.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Wed May 16, 2007 4:11 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 34):
Is she back in service? They took her off line after only a week or so because of a bunch of electrical issues (elevator not working was one of them). BC Ferries has a couple of new ships scheduled to arrive for the southern fleet in the next year or two.

She was back in service, but she's been taken out again (I believe this is the 3rd time), but this time it's just some refits and should be sailing by May 19th.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Wed May 16, 2007 5:05 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
The 281 passengers and crew members aboard the U.S.-flagged cruise ship Empress of the North are abandoning ship in lifeboats after the ship ran aground

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really nice ships this company has in service, and it is positive to read that according to http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=3171628 the ship now has safely arrived in Juneau harbour.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Wed May 16, 2007 5:07 am

Is there bad weather in Alaska to time ?

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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Wed May 16, 2007 5:20 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 39):
weather in Alaska

THIS is the weather :


Currently At 12:16PM Mostly Cloudy 51°F RealFeel® 52°F Winds: SW at 7mph
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Wed May 16, 2007 5:35 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 39):
Is there bad weather in Alaska to time ?

At the time of the incident, weather in Chatham Strait was light rain, but no fog, plenty of visibility.

Someone screwed the pooch on the bridge of that ship. The rick they hit was marked . . . with a light . . . in a WIDE channel. One almost has to TRY to hit the thing.

Alas, it is Alaska, and the Inside Passage can be rather trecherous.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 40):

Weather in Alaska is not and never will be accurate. With a state the size of 2/3rds the rest of the entire country, you really need to specify WHERE in Alaska you'd like to get the weather.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Wed May 16, 2007 6:11 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 41):
WHERE in Alaska

I in "www.accuweather.com" simply entered Juneau. I checked "accuweather" before, and whenever they at times are ways off, they fairly often are quite accurate.
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I btw. got the impression that the "evacuees" could take their luggage with them straight away. Is that correct ?
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Wed May 16, 2007 12:43 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 41):
At the time of the incident, weather in Chatham Strait was light rain, but no fog, plenty of visibility.

Or what is known in SE Alaska as "Nice Conditions"

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 41):
Alas, it is Alaska, and the Inside Passage can be rather trecherous

There was a reason why it was named Peril Strait.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Wed May 16, 2007 9:06 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 43):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 41):
At the time of the incident, weather in Chatham Strait was light rain, but no fog, plenty of visibility.

Or what is known in SE Alaska as "Nice Conditions"

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 41):
Alas, it is Alaska, and the Inside Passage can be rather trecherous

There was a reason why it was named Peril Strait.

People who haven't been there simply don't understand how dangerous the Inside Passage, the Gulf of Alaska and the Bering Sea can be.
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RE: Ship Ran Aground In Alaska , 281 Passengers

Wed May 16, 2007 10:44 pm

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 26):
The Taku may have had its problems,

Here's the promised photos of Taku aground with Queen of Prince Rupert to the rescue.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/csmpep/MISCELLANEOUS/TakuAground.jpg
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