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Tue May 15, 2007 6:56 pm

A 21-year-old learner driver had his $A110,000 ($NZ124,000) Mercedes Benz impounded after being caught travelling at 164kmh in a 100kmh zone in Melbourne.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4060531a12.html

Serves the stupid prick right. Wouldn't be surprised if the students parents purchased the car for him.
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Tue May 15, 2007 7:27 pm

That guy is stupid in more was then one. He paid $83,000 US for a car that we can get in the states for $50,000.
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Tue May 15, 2007 7:42 pm

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
Serves the stupid prick right. Wouldn't be surprised if the students parents purchased the car for him

No doubt about that. From reading the article, (Kid lives in Southbank, International student) I'd say he's more than likely asian, sent here by his cashed up folks to go to uni, and given a very generous allowance while here. Basically a 3 year party(clubs, casion, etc) for 'em while they're here & they return home to the family firm.

Mind you, I use that particular freeway at least once a week, and you'd have no probs driving at that speed outside of peak times.
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Tue May 15, 2007 8:16 pm

Why can't people respect the rules? Serves this kid, regardless of where he is from and any other kid that thinks they're above the law, right.
 
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Tue May 15, 2007 10:30 pm

This guy is a true idiot. I think the hoon laws are great. It hits these dickheads where it hurts, their cars.

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Tue May 15, 2007 11:11 pm

Wouldn't be surprised if the students parents purchased the car for him

How does that concern you? If your parents offered you a brand new SLK 350, would you refuse it?

No doubt about that. From reading the article, (Kid lives in Southbank, International student) I'd say he's more than likely asian, sent here by his cashed up folks to go to uni, and given a very generous allowance while here. Basically a 3 year party(clubs, casion, etc) for 'em while they're here & they return home to the family firm.

I think that the main issue here is that he was speeding ecxessively and should be punished for doing so. Whether he's a rich kid is none of your business. Let's not forget that many of these "rich asian kids" studying in your country are contributing to your country's economy.

That guy is stupid in more was then one. He paid $83,000 US for a car that we can get in the states for $50,000

Taxes on cars in Australia are absolutely ridiculous!
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Tue May 15, 2007 11:20 pm

Quoting Marco (Reply 5):
Taxes on cars in Australia are absolutely ridiculous!

Oh yeah!

We have to pay GST (sales tax) AND stamp duty ontop of a car. On a 110k car in victoria would be approx 8-10 grand more and then GST so prob 120-125 all up!

What a moron, hes the kind that gives P platers their bad names!
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Tue May 15, 2007 11:33 pm

Quoting Marco (Reply 5):
Let's not forget that many of these "rich asian kids" studying in your country are contributing to your country's economy.

Not as much as one thinks, whilst they pay for their university educations(sometimes) they are places no longer available to Australian students.
Not complaining really as it is indeed a compliment that these wealthy foreigners see our education standards as something special but it is over indulged little pricks like this, who had several prior speed related offences whilst on a learner permit and was in this case driving unaccompanied on a cancelled permit that give these folk a bad name.
IMHO arroagnt little s&^%s like this should be deported without their education with full publicity given back in their home countries thus shaming the indulgent parents who should have taught their children better standards.

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Wed May 16, 2007 12:23 am

Quoting Marco (Reply 5):
Let's not forget that many of these "rich asian kids" studying in your country are contributing to your country's economy.

What would happen to him in his country if he was caught doing this? I bet it would not be pleasant.  Smile
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Wed May 16, 2007 3:53 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 8):
What would happen to him in his country if he was caught doing this? I bet it would not be pleasant.

Well if he's got the dough and the connections... nothing. Shame really, the 350 is a great vehicle.

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Wed May 16, 2007 6:32 am

What would happen to him in his country if he was caught doing this? I bet it would not be pleasant.

It's not like the US cops are a pleasure to deal with! In his country, or in many other countries he would get a fine, or possibly nothing.

Not as much as one thinks, whilst they pay for their university educations(sometimes) they are places no longer available to Australian students

Actually I think that foreigners contribute alot more than you would think. Walking around in Sydney, I noticed that a good proportion of the people driving expensive cars, wearing branded clothes, bags and jewellery were Asians and other foreigners. That is alot of tax money right there. You can add to that the amount of money they spend on real estate, flights to and from Australia, tuition fees, etc...and it actually comes out to alot. If Australian students are competing with foreigners for spots at universities maybe that's a good thing. Competition leads to innovation.

IMHO arroagnt little s&^%s like this should be deported without their education with full publicity given back in their home countries thus shaming the indulgent parents who should have taught their children better standards

If every country took that attitude the world would be chaotic. I'm currently living in Dubai and I am appalled at the way westerners, particularly the large Australian expatriate community, break rules, lack courteousy, speed, and abuse the system because they think that they live in an uncivilized country. Maybe they should de deported as well?
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Wed May 16, 2007 7:10 am

Quoting Marco (Reply 10):
If every country took that attitude the world would be chaotic.

I am not talking about the immigrant population, I am referring to the spoilt and arrogant students who are here for the party more than the schooling

Quoting Marco (Reply 10):
I'm currently living in Dubai and I am appalled at the way westerners, particularly the large Australian expatriate community, break rules, lack courteousy, speed, and abuse the system because they think that they live in an uncivilized country. Maybe they should de deported as well?

I agree they should!

I have not spent much time in Dubai but have been other places with large expat communities, surprises me that Australians stand out over any other group but you are entitled to your opinion.
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Wed May 16, 2007 7:41 am

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 6):
We have to pay GST (sales tax) AND stamp duty ontop of a car. On a 110k car in victoria would be approx 8-10 grand more and then GST so prob 120-125 all up!

And a car like this would attract Luxury Car Tax as it is over $57900

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What a moron, hes the kind that gives P platers their bad names!

Except that he was an L Plater.
 
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Wed May 16, 2007 7:46 am

have not spent much time in Dubai but have been other places with large expat communities, surprises me that Australians stand out over any other group but you are entitled to your opinion

Australians don't stand out, my point is that they are a large portion of the western expatriate community here. And no the solution is not to deport anyone who speeds at 160 km/hr. Deportation should be used for idiots like the Sheikh Hilali (sp?), not a young Asian student who was speeding. Yes it was wrong, but you are all overreacting because he was driving an SLK...
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Wed May 16, 2007 8:03 am

Quoting Marco (Reply 13):
And no the solution is not to deport anyone who speeds at 160 km/hr. Deportation should be used for idiots like the Sheikh Hilali (sp?),

Your 2nd point, might get more support here than you think!!

Quoting Marco (Reply 13):
Yes it was wrong, but you are all overreacting because he was driving an SLK...

Don't give a rat's about the car(though if not from a wealthy family one could ask how he afforded it) This kid that was speeding was doing so as a learner driver without an accompanying licensed driver. Oh and yes his learners permit had been suspended due to several other speed related offenses. We are discussing a serial offender here that shows no respect for the laws of his host country. If he so willfully flaunts that law, how many others is he also breaking?

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Except that he was an L Plater.

More correctly a suspended L Plater
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Wed May 16, 2007 8:35 am

Quoting Melpax (Reply 2):
No doubt about that. From reading the article, (Kid lives in Southbank, International student) I'd say he's more than likely asian, sent here by his cashed up folks to go to uni, and given a very generous allowance while here. Basically a 3 year party(clubs, casion, etc) for 'em while they're here & they return home to the family firm.

Yup..happens here all the time. I'm amazed to see those folks buy brand new cars within days of arriving here. What I was told by a friend from Singapore was that cars there are very expensive, so when they see they can get a good car here for around $35-40k, then they go bonkers and just grab those new cars.

Quoting Marco (Reply 5):
How does that concern you? If your parents offered you a brand new SLK 350, would you refuse it?

The point here is that you wouldn't catch a local uni student driving around in an SLK. This dickhead should follow the speed limit especially given the fact that he was an L-plater, who cares what car he was driving. He broke the law. Period.

Quoting Marco (Reply 10):
Actually I think that foreigners contribute alot more than you would think. Walking around in Sydney, I noticed that a good proportion of the people driving expensive cars, wearing branded clothes, bags and jewellery were Asians and other foreigners. That is alot of tax money right there. You can add to that the amount of money they spend on real estate, flights to and from Australia, tuition fees, etc...and it actually comes out to alot. If Australian students are competing with foreigners for spots at universities maybe that's a good thing. Competition leads to innovation.

Except many of those "Asians" are Australians. They or their parents/grandparents may have arrived as immigrants, but now they're Australians and the majority of them are permanent residents here.

Australian students are competing for spots with international students. But I think this is getting ridiculous nowadays because our government seems to have screwed up the standards in our universities. I have seen so many international students who can't even use basic english, it still beats me how they managed to pass their english exams to come here. The standard of education here is falling, and it is being done in order to accommodate these "rich" international students, and something really needs to change otherwise we'll end up being losers in our own country.
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Wed May 16, 2007 3:46 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 15):
Australian students are competing for spots with international students. But I think this is getting ridiculous nowadays because our government seems to have screwed up the standards in our universities

And it is not just the universities many of the private secondary schools here on the North Shore and Northern beaches of Sydney have ceased to be the "centres of learning excellence" they once claimed and now focus on how many Asian students they can enroll at exorbidant fees.
Indeed at least one and likely more operate junior schools in various Asian countries as feeders for their "fee factories"

But I digress and this is moving further and further off topic.

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Wed May 16, 2007 4:26 pm

Except many of those "Asians" are Australians. They or their parents/grandparents may have arrived as immigrants, but now they're Australians and the majority of them are permanent residents here.

Many of them are indeed Australians, but Sydney is a multicutlural city like Toronto, NY, etc...and I'd venture and say that atleast 20% of the population is not born in Australia. In Toronto this figure is closer to 40% fyi...
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Wed May 16, 2007 4:32 pm

Quoting Marco (Reply 17):
Many of them are indeed Australians, but Sydney is a multicutlural city like Toronto, NY, etc...and I'd venture and say that atleast 20% of the population is not born in Australia. In Toronto this figure is closer to 40% fyi...

Not sure of the figures here in Sydney but your number is likely in the ballpark but this discussion is not about the Australians of overseas origin, it is about arrogant young hoons with too much money that flaunt our laws and history shows if you show this much disregard for road rules you are likely to be breaking others as well... so home he should go!
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Wed May 16, 2007 4:58 pm

This guy, whatever his nationality is an idiot. I don't mind if people want to risk their own lives, but it really sh*ts me when they risk other people's lives as well.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 7):
Not as much as one thinks, whilst they pay for their university educations(sometimes) they are places no longer available to Australian students.



Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 15):
Australian students are competing for spots with international students.

I'm not too sure if I get this. Local students are competing for HECS places, which are not available to international students who must pay full fees. I can understand your point if HECS places are forsaken for full-fee places, but there is no direct competition as such unless a local student is paying full fees as well.

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Wed May 16, 2007 5:42 pm

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but there is no direct competition

Well there is, there are only so many university positions available and every one allocated to an overseas student is one less that is available for an Australian student whether they be a HECS position or full fees.
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Wed May 16, 2007 6:56 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 15):
Yup..happens here all the time. I'm amazed to see those folks buy brand new cars within days of arriving here. What I was told by a friend from Singapore was that cars there are very expensive, so when they see they can get a good car here for around $35-40k, then they go bonkers and just grab those new cars.

It's also quite common for the parents to buy either an inner-city apartment or a McMansion in the suburbs for the Kid(s) to live in while studying. A mate who was in real estate would have people come into to his office straight from the airport with a cashier's cheque from their bank in Hong Kong/Singapore/KL ready to buy a house. They would then fly back home that night after quickly inspecting homes & sigining contracts. They see living in OZ as an absloute bargain, especially compared to places like Singapore.............
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Wed May 16, 2007 8:16 pm

Quoting Marco (Reply 5):
Wouldn't be surprised if the students parents purchased the car for him

How does that concern you? If your parents offered you a brand new SLK 350, would you refuse it?

What concerns me, is the useless prick is putting other peoples lives at risk due to his 'bulletproof' attitude mostly all young teens have. If I was offered a car like that, no I wouldn't refuse the car BUT I wouldn't drive it the way the student did. Just for the record, I'm still a young person, but I drive a car that the insurance companys consider a luxary car due to its interior, but my parents didn't purchase the car for me, i took out a loan and I'm paying it off, so I've got brains and know how to drive a car minus the attitude of other young people. Before you ask, why I need a car like that, well I've got the car due to its towing capicity

Quoting Marco (Reply 5):
No doubt about that. From reading the article, (Kid lives in Southbank, International student) I'd say he's more than likely asian, sent here by his cashed up folks to go to uni, and given a very generous allowance while here. Basically a 3 year party(clubs, casion, etc) for 'em while they're here & they return home to the family firm.

I think that the main issue here is that he was speeding ecxessively and should be punished for doing so. Whether he's a rich kid is none of your business. Let's not forget that many of these "rich asian kids" studying in your country are contributing to your country's economy.

Lets nott forget the fact that he was breaking the law and at the same time operating a vehicle in a dangerous manner. One way these pricks wake up is when they are involved in an accident and they are charged with dangerous driving. Even thou, I don't live in MEL or Australia, the only thing that concerns me is his attitude. Thats one of the reasons I support the driving age to be raised

Quoting Marco (Reply 5):
That guy is stupid in more was then one. He paid $83,000 US for a car that we can get in the states for $50,000

Taxes on cars in Australia are absolutely ridiculous!

The cost of living in Australia is higer then it is in the USA/Canada, so thats why the car 'costs' more

Marco, I see your age is 21 - 25, so the attitude you have displayed is exactly what I'm talking about.
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Thu May 17, 2007 12:49 am

I'm still a young person, but I drive a car that the insurance companys consider a luxary car due to its interior, but my parents didn't purchase the car for me, i took out a loan and I'm paying it off, so I've got brains and know how to drive a car minus the attitude of other young people

So you're implying that people whose parents offer them cars have absolutely no brains at all? What anarrow minded view, actually what a bitter way of looking at things...

In some cultures, it is customary for the parents to take care of the kids until they get married, and in return the kids take care of their parents when they're old - as opposed to dumping them in old peoples homes. This is a cultural thing, and has nothing to do with brains or not.

The cost of living in Australia is higer then it is in the USA/Canada, so thats why the car 'costs' more

So you cannot think outside of your little box? So what if the costs of living is higher? Is it matched with higher incomes? If not then maybe you're over-taxed. I really don't understand how you can relate a higher cost of living with ridiculous taxes on imported luxury cars.

Marco, I see your age is 21 - 25, so the attitude you have displayed is exactly what I'm talking about.

Actually it's bitter people like yourself whose attitude I can't stand. Sure the guy broke the rules, I'm all for punishing him, but talking about his wealth and background is irrelevant. It shouldn't matter to you, but it probably does because he drives an SLK 350.
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Thu May 17, 2007 8:32 am

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 20):
Well there is, there are only so many university positions available and every one allocated to an overseas student is one less that is available for an Australian student whether they be a HECS position or full fees.

True, but this is more a decision taken by a university due to budgetary constraints and lack of funding. There is still no direct competition as such.

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Quoting Marco (Reply 23):
So you're implying that people whose parents offer them cars have absolutely no brains at all? What anarrow minded view,

The children who get the cars handed to them, don't learn about how to treat and respect things at a young age, it doesn't matter if their parents are rich or poor cause the kids will have a different view when things are handed to them, that is a proven fact

Quoting Marco (Reply 23):
Actually it's bitter people like yourself whose attitude I can't stand. Sure the guy broke the rules, I'm all for punishing him, but talking about his wealth and background is irrelevant. It shouldn't matter to you, but it probably does because he drives an SLK 350.

I couldn't give a rats as* if whether he drives an SLK or a Lada. What matters is the attitudes of the young people who are given things on a 'silver platter'.

Quoting Marco (Reply 23):
So what if the costs of living is higher? Is it matched with higher incomes? If not then maybe you're over-taxed.

The cost of living obviously depends on the type of incomes each country have. Each car costs the same to produce and that car will be put on sale in each country depending on the cost of living. No matter what country its sold in, converting one countrys money into the producers countrys money value will result in the same price
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Thu May 17, 2007 9:24 pm

First of all, thanks kid, for buying a German car. Second, thanks again for wasting it on a traffic fine. Ask your parents to buy you another one. Third, don't come to Germany for studying.  Wink

Congratulations to Melbourne PD. Can they keep that car and use it for their undercover fleet? I mean, confiscating a car for a minor offense is almost as cruel as sending Paris to jail.

Here, you'd probably pay something like € 150,00, get 3 points and walk 4 weeks, could be 8 weeks as well, I am not too familiar with the "catalogue"
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Quoting PanHAM (Reply 26):
Can they keep that car and use it for their undercover fleet? I mean, confiscating a car for a minor offense is almost as cruel as sending Paris to jail.

The cars are only confiscated for a 48 hours or so & then returned to the owner. However, in extereme cases, the owner will forfeit the car to the state, it would be sold at a sherriff's(baliff's) auction.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 26):
Melbourne PD.

There's actually no such thing as the Melbourne PD. Police forces here are run by the state governments, not by the municipalities as is the case in the US. So in this case, the kid was busted by the Victoria Police, Melbourne being the capital of the State of Victoria.
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Fri May 18, 2007 12:23 am

Quoting Melpax (Reply 27):

The cars are only confiscated for a 48 hours or so & then returned to the owner.

Is that all? Well, it reads completely different from the head line. Does he get a fine on top of it, points on his licence?



Quoting Melpax (Reply 27):
There's actually no such thing as the Melbourne PD. P

Thanks for informing this Yank influenced German.. I was in MEL a couple of years ago and had a rental over the weekend, one of these nice powerful Australia made Fords. I behaved myself however and did not make acquaintance with the police.
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Fri May 18, 2007 12:41 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 28):
I was in MEL a couple of years ago and had a rental over the weekend, one of these nice powerful Australia made Fords. I behaved myself however and did not make acquaintance with the police.

Owning one of those 'powerful' Fords myself, you're lucky you didn't get a nice letter from the local cops on your return to Deutschland. Speed cameras are everywhere here, the fixed speed cameras on the freeways make millions for the state government. Especially when the cops are only allowed a 3km/hr tolerance..
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Fri May 18, 2007 3:27 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 25):
The children who get the cars handed to them, don't learn about how to treat and respect things at a young age, it doesn't matter if their parents are rich or poor cause the kids will have a different view when things are handed to them, that is a proven fact



Quoting 777ER (Reply 25):
I couldn't give a rats as* if whether he drives an SLK or a Lada. What matters is the attitudes of the young people who are given things on a 'silver platter'.

Well speaking as a silver spooner who was given a nice car at a young age I can tell you that I FULLY appreciate the things I receive in life and treat my possessions and other people (and indeed their possessions) with a great deal of respect. Don't get me wrong there are a lot of spoilt kids out there, I know plenty of them but to lump all privileged youth into one group the way you have is stupid and reeks of bitterness that you were not so fortunate. As Marco already pointed out certain cultures operate in such a way that the parents look after kids till they finish uni and then the favor is returned. It's not an easy concept for many to grasp if they are not a part of such a culture.

The way I see it "to whom a lot it given a lot is expected"

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Fri May 18, 2007 8:03 pm

Quoting Melpax (Reply 27):
However, in extereme cases, the owner will forfeit the car to the state, it would be sold at a sherriff's(baliff's) auction.

Why don't the VIC Police keep the car and use it as an unmarked patrol car, would certainly give many motorists a surprise to see a Merc with red and blue lights flashing in its windows

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 28):
one of these nice powerful Australia made Fords. I behaved myself however and did not make acquaintance with the police.

Ford Falcon. Sounds like you havn't driven a Holden Commordore then? Driven both the Falcon and Commordore and prefer the Commodore.

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to lump all privileged youth into one group the way you have is stupid and reeks of bitterness that you were not so fortunate

I was spoilt as a kid/teenager. When I got my licence I was allowed to drive any of the family vehicles, including a nice V8 Holden Commodore SS, which was my dads company car, so I didn't need my own car back then, but now I'm working, its upto me to finance things, ie a car.
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 31):
Why don't the VIC Police keep the car and use it as an unmarked patrol car, would certainly give many motorists a surprise to see a Merc with red and blue lights flashing in its windows

Well they do use unmarked police cars in VIC, NSW and QLD just not Mercedes.
 
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RE: Learner Hoon Loses $A110k Mercedes In MEL

Sun May 20, 2007 4:36 am

The children who get the cars handed to them, don't learn about how to treat and respect things at a young age, it doesn't matter if their parents are rich or poor cause the kids will have a different view when things are handed to them, that is a proven fact

Proven fact according to who? Anyway what is it to you?

I couldn't give a rats as* if whether he drives an SLK or a Lada. What matters is the attitudes of the young people who are given things on a 'silver platter'.

If these people are obeying the rules, their attitudes are not your concern.

The cost of living obviously depends on the type of incomes each country have. Each car costs the same to produce and that car will be put on sale in each country depending on the cost of living. No matter what country its sold in, converting one countrys money into the producers countrys money value will result in the same price

1- Cars in Australia are extremely overpriced (40-50% higher than the states/Canada, middle east).
2- They are not matched with higher incomes

Hence you are over-taxed.

Thanks YOWZA for understanding where I'm coming from. Some people think that their culture should be the criterion used to judge all other cultures. Perhaps they need to think outside of their boxed lives.
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RE: Learner Hoon Loses $A110k Mercedes In MEL

Sun May 20, 2007 7:54 am

Quoting Marco (Reply 23):
So you're implying that people whose parents offer them cars have absolutely no brains at all?

At least those who get expensive cars handed to them by their parents, in most of cases, yes. A few years ago a kid got an H2 from his parents, and guess what, he started to race the damned thing in the city and smacked another car on the side(a Corolla, so go figure the result)in an intersection, killing the driver who happened to be an gold-medal swimmer in Los Angeles 84, he was just 40. And as spected, they sent their kid overseas to avoid being prosecuted.
And it happens quite often, mostly with street racers that got the money to modify the car from their parents and run over pedestrians and leave the scene, and if they get caught, daddy sents them overseas or hides them who knows where.
 
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RE: Learner Hoon Loses $A110k Mercedes In MEL

Sun May 20, 2007 8:26 am

Quoting Acheron (Reply 34):
At least those who get expensive cars handed to them by their parents, in most of cases, yes.

Simply not true.
 
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RE: Learner Hoon Loses $A110k Mercedes In MEL

Sun May 20, 2007 8:35 am

Quoting Marco (Reply 33):
If these people are obeying the rules, their attitudes are not your concern.

Ah but it is their attitude to the rules that is the concern.
This kid is a visitor to this country and as such is expected to obey our laws just as I or you would be visiting his country.
He has shown a serial disrespect for those laws and whether he was driving a Mercedes or a Lada is immaterial, he should have his visitors/student visa revoked and sent home.

Marco, you may fit into the same category as YOWza aspires to(and likely achieves) but many who come here do not!
When I say many, it is likely a minority but a very visible minority so I am not advocating denying student visas, I am merely saying deny those priveliges to those that do not respect what they have been given.

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RE: Learner Hoon Loses $A110k Mercedes In MEL

Sun May 20, 2007 10:28 pm

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 32):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 31):
Why don't the VIC Police keep the car and use it as an unmarked patrol car, would certainly give many motorists a surprise to see a Merc with red and blue lights flashing in its windows

Well they do use unmarked police cars in VIC, NSW and QLD just not Mercedes.

When the police juse use the same car brands as their unmarked cars, ie Falcons and Commodores and some states Magnas, people quickly learn, what they need to look for on those type of cars. I can easily tell an unmarked police car here. They are just making it so easy for people who love to speed, thats why a merc would send a shiver down some spines when they see the red and blues flashing in the windows

Quoting Marco (Reply 33):
The children who get the cars handed to them, don't learn about how to treat and respect things at a young age, it doesn't matter if their parents are rich or poor cause the kids will have a different view when things are handed to them, that is a proven fact

Proven fact according to who?

According to all the sciencetists and coroneers who have proven it and have made their findings public, in a bid to help reduce the road tolls

Quoting Marco (Reply 33):
I couldn't give a rats as* if whether he drives an SLK or a Lada. What matters is the attitudes of the young people who are given things on a 'silver platter'.

If these people are obeying the rules, their attitudes are not your concern.

Their attitude is 100% MY CONCERN and everyones concern, because we all have to use the same roads as those young people who have a bullet proof attitude and don't give a toss about others. Over the last few weeks on our roads, several young people who have been killed because of young people and their selfish attitude. The international student was 100% NOT obeying the rules because he was caught driving 64km/h over the limit. If he crashed at that speed then he would have been killed instantly and he would have killed the people in the other car/s. At that rate of speed a head on smash or any type of smash would create severe G Forces that the human wouldn't be able to handle as the vehicle is coming to an instant stop. The severe brain damange caused would kill him. Marco, your attitude towards all this is the perfect example about what I'm talking about, escpecially with the comments like "their attitude is not your concern"

Quoting Marco (Reply 33):
The cost of living obviously depends on the type of incomes each country have. Each car costs the same to produce and that car will be put on sale in each country depending on the cost of living. No matter what country its sold in, converting one countrys money into the producers countrys money value will result in the same price

1- Cars in Australia are extremely overpriced (40-50% higher than the states/Canada, middle east).
2- They are not matched with higher incomes

Hence you are over-taxed.

You obviously don't understand the worlds different money rates. Just because cars in Australia are more expensive, doesn't mean Australia are seriously "over-taxed". Here are some examples one Australian dollar will give you roughly 60 American cents and one New Zealand dollar will currently give you 75 American cents. As you can see from that example, the New Zealand dollar is currently worth more then the American dollar and the Australian dollar. If a car is sold for $15000 in the USA, and same model is sold in Australia for 18000 and the same model is sold in New Zealand for 20000, then that is because of the value of the dollar. Thats got nothing to do with any taxes. Why don't you go off and do some homework about different money rates.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 35):
Quoting Acheron (Reply 34):
At least those who get expensive cars handed to them by their parents, in most of cases, yes.

Simply not true.

Sorry mate but it is true. Just ask any police officer who has to deal with the aftermath of a serious smash due to a young person driving a fast vehicle, and ask them what they think of their parents giving them a car like that. Research have also proven it.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 36):
Quoting Marco (Reply 33):
If these people are obeying the rules, their attitudes are not your concern.

Ah but it is their attitude to the rules that is the concern.
This kid is a visitor to this country and as such is expected to obey our laws just as I or you would be visiting his country.

Exactly. It doesn't matter what country they are from or what their culture is. If they are driving in a different country then they have to follow those countrys rules

Note how Marco and YOWza are both from the same country, obviously they live in a box life by their support of each other
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RE: Learner Hoon Loses $A110k Mercedes In MEL

Sun May 20, 2007 10:45 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 37):
thats why a merc would send a shiver down some spines when they see the red and blues flashing in the windows

There are other techniques that NSW State police use that won't involve them puchasing Mercedes, Volvos and Beamers and use them as un-marked patrol cars
 
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RE: Learner Hoon Loses $A110k Mercedes In MEL

Sun May 20, 2007 11:40 pm

I think many here have lost the plot here and have turned a simple motoring offence into incoherent rants from those who are not comfortable with people of a different skin colour being rich.

When I was younger, I used to drive a fairly powerful but not flashy car that I bought with my own money (Nissan Maxima), and I'll fess up that I have driven quite a bit faster than 164 km/h in a 100 km/h zone. Not that I'm proud of it, but I think it is something that is quite common for young drivers, hence the higher insurance premiums.

I am sure there are many here who are making replies who are speeders but have been lucky enough not to get caught. The guy is an idiot for not getting the message after more than one speeding ticket (one was enough of a wakeup call for me!) but I think deportation is going a bit far.
 
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RE: Learner Hoon Loses $A110k Mercedes In MEL

Mon May 21, 2007 12:19 am

Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 39):
I think many here have lost the plot here and have turned a simple motoring offence into incoherent rants from those who are not comfortable with people of a different skin colour being rich.

Exactly the problem I see in this thread as well, sometimes people find it hard to digest that a outsider can be richer in their country then they themselves.
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RE: Learner Hoon Loses $A110k Mercedes In MEL

Mon May 21, 2007 1:13 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 37):
Sorry mate but it is true.

Care to validate that with a study perhaps, in fact anything other than your opinion...

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 36):
Note how Marco and YOWza are both from the same country, obviously they live in a box life by their support of each other

This just shows how closed minded and stupid you are. Canada is amongst the most tolerant and diverse countries in the world. Marco's heritage (I dare say) is very different to mine, South African and Nepalese, so this notion that we are buddies backing each other up is total shit and frankly removes any legitimacy your arguments may have had.

Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 39):
I think many here have lost the plot here and have turned a simple motoring offense into incoherent rants from those who are not comfortable with people of a different skin colour being rich.

Come on CPDC10-30 why would you want to bring any honesty or reason to this thread, clearly race and wealth have nothing to do with the disdain some people are expressing in this thread. (end sarcasm)

Quoting Emirates773er (Reply 40):
Exactly the problem I see in this thread as well, sometimes people find it hard to digest that a outsider can be richer in their country then they themselves.

This is a huge problem. I don't want to rag on Australia too much because I will have to endure the full fury of QFFORLIFE, suffice it to say I got more than my share of dirty looks driving my Aunt's Range Rover around Sydney. Being young, male and of a visible minority I guess that was par for the course? And for the record I drove responsibly and was not doing anything to draw attention to myself. I will also concede that this likely happens in Canada too but given how much more diverse and tolerant we are this will be to a far smaller degree.

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RE: Learner Hoon Loses $A110k Mercedes In MEL

Mon May 21, 2007 5:06 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 41):
I will also concede that this likely happens in Canada too but given how much more diverse and tolerant we are this will be to a far smaller degree.

Being a international student from dubai I am a witness to that.
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RE: Learner Hoon Loses $A110k Mercedes In MEL

Mon May 21, 2007 9:15 am

The level of this discussion has sunk way too low for myself to continue participating. 777ER, please respect yourself when talking to others. My heritage is none of your concern. Secondly, I've lived in the Middle East, Europe and North America, and have been to your part of the world, so I do not think I live in a box. Get over your bitterness. Take it easy.
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RE: Learner Hoon Loses $A110k Mercedes In MEL

Tue May 22, 2007 12:48 pm

As I appear to have been lumped in with those that are intolerant of other cultures or bitter and jealous that wealthy families provide such trinkets for the children let me reiterate.
This is not about jealousy or envy this is about respect.
Australians are proud of their educational institutions and proud that many from overseas see a benefit in studying at them.
Whether you are the child of the wealthiest person in the land who can afford you all the luxuries or a penniless villager who has been granted some kind of scholarship it matters not, you are a guest in this country* and it is only fitting that you act like one. If you show no respect for your hosts then it is better you return home.
If I travelled to many of the countries these students come from I would be on the first plane home after much fewer infractions than this one.
It is also likely that the behaviour of these troublemakers and I will call the minority that act this way that as they are also making trouble for those that come after them, would land them in very serious trouble in their homelands so why do they act that way abroad?

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RE: Learner Hoon Loses $A110k Mercedes In MEL

Tue May 22, 2007 1:05 pm

Quoting Melpax (Reply 2):
No doubt about that. From reading the article, (Kid lives in Southbank, International student) I'd say he's more than likely asian

I hold you responsible for leading this discussion down the toilet.

Why bring race into this? What on earth does it have to do with the universally deplorable act of speeding?

Quoting Marco (Reply 10):
Walking around in Sydney, I noticed that a good proportion of the people driving expensive cars, wearing branded clothes, bags and jewellery were Asians and other foreigners.

How do you know they weren't Australian?

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 15):
The point here is that you wouldn't catch a local uni student driving around in an SLK.

Mate, I went to Sydney university - let me assure you that local students drive some very VERY nice cars.

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RE: Learner Hoon Loses $A110k Mercedes In MEL

Tue May 22, 2007 1:53 pm

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1):
That guy is stupid in more was then one. He paid $83,000 US for a car that we can get in the states for $50,000.

Import tax is insane almost everywhere except for US. In Taiwan, a SLK350 is about three times the rice in the US.  Sad



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RE: Learner Hoon Loses $A110k Mercedes In MEL

Tue May 22, 2007 10:26 pm

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 44):

Agree with you there.
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RE: Learner Hoon Loses $A110k Mercedes In MEL

Wed May 23, 2007 4:58 am

I'm not familiar with the term "hoon", but reading a couple of things on Google it seems to be that this guy had his car seized, but not confiscated. In other words, he'll get it back? Right, or wrong?

A 350 SLK costs €78,000 (A$128,000) here, which is again including around €35,000 in various taxes.
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RE: Learner Hoon Loses $A110k Mercedes In MEL

Wed May 23, 2007 7:26 am

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 48):
I'm not familiar with the term "hoon", but reading a couple of things on Google it seems to be that this guy had his car seized, but not confiscated. In other words, he'll get it back? Right, or wrong?

Yes. The government does not make a habit of stealing people's cars.

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