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Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 1:05 am

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...7051400721.html?hpid=sec-religion?

What is wrong with Herr Pope?

Excerpts:

BRASILIA - Outraged Indian leaders in Brazil said on Monday they were offended by Pope Benedict's "arrogant and disrespectful" comments that the Roman Catholic Church had purified them and a revival of their religions would be a backward step.

In a speech to Latin American and Caribbean bishops at the end of a visit to Brazil, the Pope said the Church had not imposed itself on the indigenous peoples of the Americas.

They had welcomed the arrival of European priests at the time of the conquest as they were "silently longing" for Christianity, he said.


What say you?

Has Herr Pope lost it? Would the prior Pope have said this kind of stuff? Should Herr Pope trade in his Prada sequined red stomping boots for something a bit more subtle?
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 1:09 am

It's just the usual from a religious leader. One more reason why those guys have only very limited credibility in most matters.
 
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 1:11 am

What say I?

A huge arrrogance on the part of the Pope and the Catholic church. What makes the Catholic church any better than any other form of religous practice?

The Inquisition, itself, is long gone, but continues under different guises today.
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 1:16 am

Those "primitive" religions don't provide their leaders with a big ol' palace to live in, Alitalia wide-bodied Jets to dally around in, and really good wine and food. Plus, all the satin and silk gowns in the world.

Obviously, those religions aren't as good as Catholicism.
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 1:20 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 2):
What makes the Catholic church any better than any other form of religous practice?

Hear, Hear!

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Quoting Jaysit (Thread starter):
Would the prior Pope have said this kind of stuff?

I would think not. Pope John Paul II seemed to have a marked understanding of differences and their validity. I'm sure there are exceptions, but he seemed more bent on peace regardless of dogma and doctrine than on statistics.
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 1:21 am

Quoting Jaysit (Thread starter):
Has Herr Pope lost it?

Yes. He has. People need to free their mind from a human who speaks "on behalf of god" and regularly preaches hate against people with other opinions and condemns non-christians.. We need plurality and not a uniform "culture" of the catholics. Thanks, no!
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 1:26 am

Quoting Jaysit (Thread starter):
Would the prior Pope have said this kind of stuff?

Not at all, the current pope Ratzinger is making a lot of steps backwards and reverting the good work done by his predecessor.
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 1:27 am

Quoting Jaysit (Thread starter):
comments that the Roman Catholic Church had purified them and a revival of their religions would be a backward step.

What's the difference between their religions and Catholicism? Less white chiffon? How is the Pope's religion any less primative and nut-so than any other religion?
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 1:29 am

Quoting Jaysit (Thread starter):
Would the prior Pope have said this kind of stuff?

No he would have said "Mumble mmmm mumble mmmmm ZZZZZZZZZZZ"  duck   duck   duck   duck   duck 
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 1:32 am

Has Herr Pope lost it?

Look at the bright side, with his age, Herr Papa Razzi is pretty much an interim pope.
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 1:37 am

You forgot diplomatic stations world-wide to promote the Catholic sense of peace and tranquility.

Where is the Buddhist embassies or the Anglican embassies, the Muslim embassies (and so forth)?

http://www.embassyworld.com/embassy/Vatican/Vatican.html
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 1:51 am

Have you seen the two bumper stickers on the Popemobile?

"My God can beat up your God"

"Jesus saves, but Mohammad owns the bank"
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 1:54 am

I noticed something that he said on one of his other speaches in Brazil that I found ironic. He warned Brazilians about the corruption of power and wealth, I find it strange that someone who benefits greatly from corrupt power and wealth would denounce other people from following in his footsteps.
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 1:56 am

Yet another prime example of how FUCKED UP organized religion is. Keep it up Herr Popey; you to could dis-enfranchise millions of your own followers!! THAT would be a step FORWARD.
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 2:02 am

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 12):
I find it strange that someone who benefits greatly from corrupt power and wealth would denounce other people from following in his footsteps.

"Do as I say, not as I do!" and

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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting Jaysit (Thread starter):
In a speech to Latin American and Caribbean bishops at the end of a visit to Brazil, the Pope said the Church had not imposed itself on the indigenous peoples of the Americas.

 redflag 

The unawareness of their own bloody history in the Roman Catholic Church is one of the reasons why I became an Atheist. Of course they imposed themselves on the indigenous people of the Americas. Denying that could be the same as denying the holocaust; it would be a crime. But what can you expect from Ratzinger. With his words, he's especially denying the crimes commited by the office he lead as prefect for almost 24 years, the Office of the Holy Inquisition, which still exists today as the less-violent Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Wojtyla would have at least been more careful with his choice of words, especially given that he was searching for forgiveness for the crimes commited by the Church in the last years of his life.
 
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 3:54 am

Quoting Jaysit (Thread starter):
In a speech to Latin American and Caribbean bishops at the end of a visit to Brazil, the Pope said the Church had not imposed itself on the indigenous peoples of the Americas.

They had welcomed the arrival of European priests at the time of the conquest as they were "silently longing" for Christianity, he said.

Statements like that make me wonder if there isn't something besides incense smoldering in the Vatican's censers...

"Dude, they were like, totally longing for Christianity...but, you know, in a silent kind of way. Seriously."
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 4:13 am

"

Pope Benedict XVI concluded his historic trip to Brazil Sunday, saying that the residents of South America “have given whole-hearted proof of their faith in Christ” and their love for the office of the Pope.

The Holy Father departed Sunday evening from the International Airport of Sao Paulo / Guarulhos where he was met by Jose Alencar Gomes da Silva, vice-president of the Federal Republic of Brazil, Archbishop Odilo Pedro Scherer of Sao Paulo, Bishop Luiz Gonzaga Bergonzini of Guarulhos, and numerous other religious and civil authorities.

Before boarding his Alitalia flight bound for Rome, Pope Benedict conveyed his pleasure at the opportunity to inaugurate the Fifth General Conference of the Episcopate of Latin America and the Caribbean. He said that "The signs of enthusiasm and the deep piety of this people of the Land of the Holy Cross will remain for ever impressed in my memory.”


He added his prayer "that the Lord will assist religious and civil leaders to give renewed impulse to the initiatives that are awaited by all for the common good of the great Latin American family."

In addition to his work with the Episcopal conference in Aparecida, the Holy Father also spent time with numerous religious authorities and orders of religious during his pastoral visit. He ended his brief airport address thanking everyone for having "contributed to the splendor of these days, filling those taking part with joy and hope - 'gaudium et spes!' - for the Christian family and for its mission in society."

After landing on Rome, the Pope proceeded directly to his Castelgandolfo summer residence where he will remain through the week.


Read the full homily for the inauguration of the Fifth General Conference of the Latin American and Caribbean Bishops at: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/be...xvi/homilies/2007/documents/hf_ben

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http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=9358
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Wed May 16, 2007 4:25 am

Airliners.net thanks TACAA320 for that public interest message.

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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 4:30 am

Out of touch could soon translate to out of reach...

There is a Religious revival on Brazil, a good thing, and not a Catholic one...
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Wed May 16, 2007 4:33 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 18):
Airliners.net thanks TACAA320 for that public interest message.

And some others to come.
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"
Cardinal Secretary of State Tarcisio Bertone S.D.B. has sent a message in the Pope's name to more than 250 Christian movements and communities which, on Saturday May 12, celebrated the event "Together for Europe 2007" in the German city of Stuttgart.

In the message, published in German, English, French and Italian, the cardinal points out how the current initiative "has come to life through the good ecumenical intuition of Roman Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, and Anglican groups," seeking "to underline the need to re-affirm together faithfulness to the Gospel in a Europe that risks losing its original values and giving up on its Christian roots.

"The words of the Venerable Pope John Paul II," Cardinal Bertone adds, "seem to be more relevant than ever: 'I would like to mention in a particular way the loss of Europe's Christian memory and heritage, accompanied by a kind of practical agnosticism and religious indifference whereby many Europeans give the impression of living without spiritual roots and somewhat like heirs who have squandered a patrimony entrusted to them by history.'

"Pope Benedict XVI echoes this consideration. From the beginning of his pontificate he has never missed an opportunity to recall the importance of safeguarding the Christian inheritance, the particular richness of the European continent.

"The appeal not to lose our roots is like a repeated invitation to work concretely so that believers in Christ of different confessions may unite their efforts in the service of such a timely and relevant cause. It is a matter of defending a human and spiritual heritage that is vital for the authentic development of Europe."

Benedict XVI's wish, the text goes on, is "that the meeting 'Together for Europe' may strengthen the desire for communion that animates lay movements and communities of the different Churches; that it may contribute to overcoming prejudices, nationalism and historical barriers, and may urge people to work so that the spiritual dimension may not weaken in the Europe of post-modern times.

"All human efforts would amount to nothing," the message concludes, "were we to be separated from divine support, because 'unless the Lord builds the house, they labor in vain who build'."

www.vatican.va
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Wed May 16, 2007 4:39 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 20):
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 18):
Airliners.net thanks TACAA320 for that public interest message.

And some others to come.

Love it!

Our very own employee of the Ministry of Pope-ish Propaganda.

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Wed May 16, 2007 4:47 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 18):
Airliners.net thanks TACAA320 for that public interest message.

Paid for in full by the Holy See.

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Quoting Jaysit (Reply 22):
Love it!

Our very own employee of the Ministry of Pope-ish Propaganda.

Hon, propaganda is not PR! You need a crash course in PR.

Another remarkable bitter expressions from Jaysit [and highly probable some others to come].
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Wed May 16, 2007 5:04 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 17):
After landing on Rome, the Pope proceeded directly to his Castelgandolfo summer residence where he will remain through the week.



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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 6:53 pm

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 24):
Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 17):
After landing on Rome, the Pope proceeded directly to his Castelgandolfo summer residence where he will remain through the week.

I wounder how many of the hungry could be fed with the proceeds from the sale of that place?
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 7:05 pm

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 25):
Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 24):
Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 17):
After landing on Rome, the Pope proceeded directly to his Castelgandolfo summer residence where he will remain through the week.

I wounder how many of the hungry could be fed with the proceeds from the sale of that place?

The hungry don't want food. And the sick don't want medicines.

They just secretly desire to be converted to Catholicism.

Imelda Marcos (another great Catholic) and Herr Pope obviously know something.
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 7:40 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 26):

 rotfl   rotfl 
 
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Wed May 16, 2007 7:56 pm

Pope Benedict knows that the Roman Catholic Church is being increasingly rejected by many throughout the world, with some turning to other Christian faiths, non-Christian faiths or not part of any organized faith. Many don't like the restrictive rules of Roman Catholicism, especially as to divorce, abortion, birth control, homosexuality and other issues. For others, the Church's horrible attitudes as to perverted priests turned many off to the Church they were born into. For some, the lack of the Church in dealing with their disturbing past where they supported colonialism with it's 'convert or die' policies, their support of oppressive and non-democratic governments are also issues. Add to that a Pope who served (as required) as a member of the Hitler Youth group in Nazi Germany, who was in charge of that part of the Vatican structure that was at one time connected to the genocide of Jews and Muslims in Spain, and you have a messenger who may be rejected. If he made the statements referred to in the initial post, then he should go back home and shut up. At least Pope John Paul II, while one can disagree with his beliefs, did have something in his character that made him more sensitive and nuanced in his dealings with the public and fellow Catholics.
 
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 8:07 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Thread starter):
What say you?

Has Herr Pope lost it? Would the prior Pope have said this kind of stuff?

I suppose you won't mind if they revived the practice of human sacrifices in South America?
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 8:10 pm

...And I suppose that Muslim comment a while ago was devious and deliberate?  Confused
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 10:13 pm

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 25):
I wounder how many of the hungry could be fed with the proceeds from the sale of that place?

I'm asking the same question regarding the selling of your most precious assets.
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 10:19 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 31):
Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 25):
I wounder how many of the hungry could be fed with the proceeds from the sale of that place?

I'm asking the same question regarding the selling of your most precious assets.

I doubt all of Airfoilsguy assets were obtained through centuries of raping, pillaging and destruction of civilisations all in the name of God.
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Wed May 16, 2007 10:25 pm

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 32):
I doubt all of Airfoilsguy assets were obtained through centuries of raping, pillaging and destruction of civilisations all in the name of God.

Something similar about the "raping, pillaging and destruction of civilisations all in the name of " the King of the British Empire throughout the history.
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 10:35 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 31):
I'm asking the same question regarding the selling of your most precious assets.

Sadly typical reply from you. Most of us have not taken vows of poverty. Quite ironic for a religion that demands vows of poverty from it's priests to have amassed some of the world's greatest wealth. I find the pope's statements not only reprehensible, but morally indefensible. The atrocities committed in "spreading the word of God" in Latin America, are some of the worst in the Church's history.
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Wed May 16, 2007 10:37 pm

Quoting PA110 (Reply 34):

Amd who do you blame about the poverty in the U.S.?
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 10:39 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 35):
Amd who do you blame about poverty in the U.S.?

What on earth does that have to do with anything, let alone this specific topic? The U.S. government does not demand vows of poverty from anyone, unlike your precious church. Typical TACA, you deflect instead of defend.

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Wed May 16, 2007 10:41 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 33):
Quoting Gman94 (Reply 32):
I doubt all of Airfoilsguy assets were obtained through centuries of raping, pillaging and destruction of civilisations all in the name of God.

Something similar about the "raping, pillaging and destruction of civilisations all in the name of " the King of the British Empire throughout the history.

Not denying that we took part in Empire building, but it's wrong to have a holier then thou attitude about the Pope and the Catholic Church just because you think this man and his corrupt organisation are something special.
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Wed May 16, 2007 10:48 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 17):



Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 21):

Yes, some more copying and pasting from publications which aren't exactly unbiased. But what do you think of the topic actually being discussed?

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 33):
Something similar about the "raping, pillaging and destruction of civilisations all in the name of " the King of the British Empire throughout the history.

And when was the last time you heard our Queen or Prime Minister saying it did our former colonies nothing but good and they were just begging for it? They've got more sense than that.

Whatever your views are on Spanish and British colonisation, those were some pretty stupid remarks from the pope.
 
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Wed May 16, 2007 10:50 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 31):
I'm asking the same question regarding the selling of your most precious assets.

Aren't priests supposed to live a meager lifestyle? You'd think the the pope would set an example. Prada shoes, a Mercedes popemobile, and a summer home? That's enough to make Mother Teresa fill her undies (if she were still alive).

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Wed May 16, 2007 10:58 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 39):
Aren't priests supposed to live a meager lifestyle? You'd think the the pope would set an example. Prada shoes, a Mercedes popemobile, and a summer home? That's enough to make Mother Teresa fill her undies (if she were still alive).

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Wed May 16, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting PA110 (Reply 36):
unlike your precious church.

It is!

Quoting PA110 (Reply 36):
you deflect instead of defend.

And you still don't answer my question.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 36):
The U.S. government does not demand vows of poverty from anyone,

And apparently is also doing nothing to fight poverty.

Quoting David L (Reply 38):
And when was the last time you heard our Queen or Prime Minister saying it did our former colonies nothing but good and they were just begging for it?

When was the last time you heard your Queen or Prime Minister asking for forgiveness for such abuses [ like H.H. John Paul II did].

Quoting David L (Reply 38):
But what do you think of the topic actually being discussed?

That is more like a charade than an thread [honestly].
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Wed May 16, 2007 11:22 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 41):
Quoting PA110 (Reply 36):The U.S. government does not demand vows of poverty from anyone,

And apparently is also doing nothing to fight poverty.

TACA, really, you've just jumped the shark. There are literally hundreds of humanitarian programs funded by the U.S. government to fight poverty. While lacking in a number of areas, to say the U.S. is doing nothing is simply an outright lie.
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Wed May 16, 2007 11:23 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 41):
Quoting PA110 (Reply 36):
The U.S. government does not demand vows of poverty from anyone,

And apparently is also doing nothing to fight poverty.

Huge flaw in your arguement. The US government isn't required to do anything about poverty. It should though, and I believe that it is not doing near enough. However the Catholic Church is bound by the teachings of Jesus. And I have found precious little in the gospels where Jesus commands his followers to build ornate palaces (Cathederals) and amass huge amounts of property and wealth. If the church were really true to its teachings then the biggest Catholic structure (aside from charity hospitals and homeless shelters) should be nothing more than a simple wooden shack.
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Wed May 16, 2007 11:29 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 42):
TACA, really, you've just jumped the shark. There are literally hundreds of humanitarian programs funded by the U.S. government to fight poverty.

Though I in principle agree with what you say, these policies are far from ideal, as they are anything but altruistic, and often not work in practice. That said, I believe that a decentalization of the poverty discourse might be the best, in corporation with higher institutions. Big organizations, be it the state, the church or other religious organizations, often have concealed interests and spread a set of ideology as counterperformance to their efforts to combat poverty - and these side-effects are detrimental
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Wed May 16, 2007 11:30 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 39):
Aren't priests supposed to live a meager lifestyle? You'd think the the pope would set an example.

Church law doesn't require poverty of it's priests overall. However, many orders like the Franciscans do require their priests to have very modest lifestyles, limited savings and personal possessions and require them to take a vow of poverty. One symbolic example is the wearing of the brown robes with rope belts by members of their order.
As to the Pope, he may come from an order with few restrictions on personal wealth including inherited wealth. IIRC, the royalties of the books of Pope John Paul II were donated to Church related charities and he had limited personal wealth. As to the 'Pope Mobile' from M-B, that is a custom made vehicle, with considerations as to security, and may be donated in part by M-B. As to the palaces like the summer castle for the Pope, that is something that goes back many centuries as part of the culture as to the Pope and has some important security reasons, something that very much applies even to today. I do agree though that a Pope should show some modesty as to their lifestyle as an example to the world.
 
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 11:30 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 42):
you've just jumped the shark

He did that years ago. But it's funny to watch people defend the indefensible.
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 11:33 pm

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 44):
Though I in principle agree with what you say, these policies are far from ideal, as they are anything but altruistic, and often not work in practice.

The minimum wage is a mechanism to combat poverty, and is not "altruistic", even though at a federal level the attention paid to it is less than ideal.

But let's get the gestalt of this. To defend and promote god, TACA lied, and therefore sinned. That's the crux of this, for which he should be ashamed and retract his statement.
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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Wed May 16, 2007 11:57 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 42):
There are literally hundreds of humanitarian programs funded by the U.S. government to fight poverty.

What a coincidence. Like the CC does [as well as most Christians Churches].

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 42):
While lacking in a number of areas, to say the U.S. is doing nothing is simply an outright lie.

Say that to the poors in your country, not to me. They are more interested in that.

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As America is the wealthiest and most abundant nation in the world, it is no surprise that many Americans think of hunger and poverty occurring only in developing countries. While most Americans have encountered someone suffering from hunger and poverty in the United States, few of us may have actually realized it. The face of hunger and poverty in the United States is quite different from the images we often see in developing nations. Rather than outright starvation or homelessness, the face of hunger is a child who is malnourished because her parents do not earn enough to buy healthy food and sometimes has to skip meals. The face of a poor person in the United States is a single parent who works full time, but still can't afford to pay for food, rent, child care, medical bills, and the costs of car to travel to work.

It is ironic that as the world's wealthiest nation, hunger and poverty in the United States still persist. Evidence shows that millions of families and children live in poverty and experience hunger:

* The U.S. poverty rate in 2005 was 12.6 percent, not statistically different from 2004. Some 37 million Americans lived in poverty, about the same as 2004 but higher than the 35.9 million in 2003. The percentage in poverty was little different from 2003 and 2004 but up from 11.3 percent in 2000. The statistics come from the Poverty page of the U.S. Census Bureau Website. (Also see the Census press release of August 2006).
* The federal minimum wage has not been raised since 1997 and is currently $5.15.
* The proportion of children in poverty was down slightly in 2005. The number of children in poverty was 12.9 million in 2005, more or less the same as 13 million in 2004 and nearly 12.9 million in 2003. In 2005, 17.6 percent of American children were poor compared to 17.8 percent in 2004. (U.S. Census Bureau).
* The Economic Policy Institute has found that without government assistance, the United States ranks among the top four countries with the highest rates of child poverty.
* The U.S. median family income increased about 1.1 percent from 2004 to 2005, to $46,326, but the median income for working-age families actually decreased. All of the increase was in families over 65.
* The percentage of people without health insurance coverage rose from 15.6 percent in 2004 to 15.9 percent in 2005 (46.6 million people)..
* A current indication of hunger is participation in the Food Stamp Program. Food Research and Action Center (FRAC) reports in its News and Analysis that over 26.1 million people participated in the Food Stamp Program in August 2006. That was 362,000 more than in August, 2005. The number participating in August 2006 was nearly 8.4 million higher than in August 2001. Yet, the program may be missing as many as four in ten eligible people.
* Data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) shows that the prevalence of food insecurity went down from 11.9 percent of households in 2004 to 11.0 percent in 2005. The total number of people who lived in food insecure households fell from 38.2 million in 2004 to 35.1 million in 2005. However, the prevalence of "very low food security" (formerly called "food insecurity with hunger") remained unchanged at 3.9 percent of households and the number of people actually rose in 2005 from 10.7 million to 10.8 million. See USDA Briefing Rooms. Food insecurity remained higher than in 1999--2001. See Food Research and Action Center press release, November 15, 2006.

Many factors contribute to the persistence of hunger and poverty in this nation, including low wages, lack of access to safety-net programs like child care and Food Stamps, inability to take advantage of most tax benefits aimed at middle- and upper-income households, and a lack of opportunity to accumulate savings and other assets.

Because of its persistence even in times of plenty, hunger and poverty can seem like an intractable problem. Yet hunger and poverty do not exist in the United States and around the world because there are not enough resources. The issue is one of priorities. As former Sen. Mark Hatfield once said, "We stand by as children starve by the millions because we lack the will to eliminate hunger. Yet we have found the will to develop missiles capable of flying over the polar cap and landing within a few hundred feet of their target. This is not innovation. It is a profound distortion of humanity's purpose on earth."

http://www.results.org/website/article.asp?id=350

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 46):
He did that years ago.

Another unfortunately statement from TedTace.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 47):
To defend and promote god, TACA lied, and therefore sinned.

Are you judging me?
Because it is also a sin.

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RE: Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again

Thu May 17, 2007 12:00 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 48):
Say that to pors in your country, not to me. They are more interested in that.

You may quote all the statistics you want. To say the U.S. is doing nothing to address poverty is a lie.

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 48):
Are you judging me?
Because it is also a sin.

Merely calling em like I see em.

I see that you're unwilling to be remorseful for lying in god's name, however, an utter shame, which does nothing to lend credibility to your faith or your god.
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