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Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 2:42 am

Hello everyone.

Ok, So is it just me, or can anybody else share experiences...

In January, 2005, I purchased a Hewlett-Packard a845w-b from... WALLLLL-MARRRT. Well, this was a little going-away present, when I moved to WI. So I get to my new apartment, plug it in, and it automatically starts to load all of this trial shit, and a bunch of anti-spyware programs and pop-ups from the internet, and about 2 weeks into it, I somehow, magically have all this shit downloaded on my new computer that I never authorized.

Well, 1 year later, This computer is running slow as shit in sub-zero temperatures, and I can barely surf the net without having to shut down and restart every 30 minutes. I HAD HAD ENOUGH!!!! Some stats on this P.O.S.

60gb HD, 256MB ram, 64MB Shared Video Memory

Enter April 2007. Just like the USAF replacing the VC-137B with the VC-25A, It was time for a new machine.. Well, I learned my lesson never to buy a computer from Walmart. So I went to Dell, and I ordered a Dell XPS 710 Level 1. I get it, power it on.. and there are NO un-necessary programs downloaded on it, it runs smooth as silk, and even today, it is working fine. It operates on Windows Vista, and no problems so far.

So here is my rant/question... Is it Walmart, or Hewlett-Packard... Why was that computer such a hunk of shit. My girlfriend's mom recently bought a Compaq SR2013WM from walmart (gee, wonder what the WM stands for), and it is only 3 months old.. Already that hunk of shit has a bunch of worms and runs slow, and yep, it even came installed with the unnecessary crap.

Can anybody else share experiences with me? What if I were to go to Best Buy and buy a Hewlett-Packard? Would I get a better computer? Would I get better peace of mind?

I look forward to EVERYBODY's computer input... Even if you don't have a Hewlett-Packard or a dell, Use this thread to tell everybody what you do have, and what you do use. Have fun everybody.


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Tue May 22, 2007 2:46 am



Here's another pic for you... The insides...

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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 2:49 am

Well for one you're comparing apples to oranges here. You go from a bargain basement Wally World special to a high spec Dell machine. I'd hope your new Dell would outperform the old HP.

That aside one of the things I do not like about purchasing a PC from a traditional retailer is that you have little choice in how it is optioned out and what software that comes on it. Dell (and Gateway) seem to be much better about this, as their PCs are built to order and usually do not come preloaded with a ton of trial software.

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Thread starter):
Can anybody else share experiences with me? What if I were to go to Best Buy and buy a Hewlett-Packard? Would I get a better computer? Would I get better peace of mind?

Not really sure, it is likely what you got at WalMart was speced by them to be sold at a specific price. Whether or not you could find the same exact model number at Best Buy or Staples is up in the air. Best bet would be to uninstall all the preloaded stuff you don't want once you buy the machine. Or if worse comes to worse, wipe the drive clean and reinstall the OS.
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 2:55 am

It's like comparing a Yugo and a Cadillac. There's no point.

Two different computers.

And, btw -- if you don't want to have that POS downloaded, don't go to Wal-Mart. The OS images are preloaded to the desire of the Marketing department of the retail store you go to.

That's why going to buy HP directly is much better for you than to buy at Wal-Mart.

I have a Compaq Presario F505 and even though it's an entry level notebook is a VERY reliable computer.
At work, I use an HP Compaq dc7700 with an HP 1955 monitor.

No complaints, I'd buy HP again.

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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 2:59 am

I was cruising the HP site looking for a laptop, they only come with Windows Vista. No thanks, I'll pass.

Another problem is that they don't come with serial ports. the machines are semi useless without one to me. I need to connect to console ports, if just about every ATM switch or UNIX box has a DB9 Console connecter, any laptop without one is just a toy. Don't even ask me to buy a POS USB to DB9 adapter.
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 3):
And, btw -- if you don't want to have that POS downloaded, don't go to Wal-Mart. The OS images are preloaded to the desire of the Marketing department of the retail store you go to.

Oh yeah, my current PC is a rather entry level model from Gateway... Celeron processor, onboard graphics, all that crappy stuff. But when it came to me clean, no preloaded trial crap. Just the software that I needed to get going and the install discs for MS Office. And it came with the OEM WinXP disks as well.

Unless you absolutely have to have it immediately I see no reason not to order direct from the OEM and spec the system like you want to.
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 3:01 am

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Thread starter):
256MB ram, 64MB Shared Video Memory

Likely what you get for not asking here first/buying a computer @ wally world. You got what you paid for and that's it.
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 3:22 am

Quoting AirSpare (Reply 4):
I was cruising the HP site looking for a laptop, they only come with Windows Vista. No thanks, I'll pass.

You'd be surprised as to how much more stable Windows Vista is than Windows XP...

Quoting AirSpare (Reply 4):
Another problem is that they don't come with serial ports.

And here's my question: What computer manufacturer still includes serial ports in their computers? (Consumer, not corporate)

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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 3:33 am

I got my HP laptop at OfficeDepot and it came with the pre-loaded crap (Games, Rhapsody (which is a stupid program), and the like). I removed most of that stuff and it is still running great after one year. I do regret not getting a bigger hard drive (only have the standard 60GB) because I had to buy a Western Digital 160GB model a few weeks ago to store my stuff on. I like my laptop and think HP is great, would definitely buy another.
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 3:47 am

I'm not saying I'd never buy another HP, but I'd never buy another computer, or any accessories for that matter at Walmart. I bought a Motorola Cable Modem there (SB5100) a while back, and I've ALWAYS known Motorola to be a reliable company in the field of electronics... This Modem was CRAP. I took it back, went to Office Depot, and got one for $10.00 more, but it works GREAT.
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 3:48 am

"Crapware" (as Microsoft apparently refers to it internally) is added by many hardware manufacturers because it gives them a small additional profit margin ("crapware" manufacturers pay for being included) which the hardware alone doesn't allow on the cheaper machines any more.

It is one of the reasons why your Walmart machine was stuffed full of it and your pricier one wasn't.
 
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 3:50 am

I use an HP Pavilion dv2000 laptop that's about 9 months old and has never given me any trouble. I'd be perfectly willing to buy HP again (plus it helps that my dad works there, so there's some degree of customer loyalty involved).
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 3:54 am

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 11):
(plus it helps that my dad works there, so there's some degree of customer loyalty involved).

I think "Biased" would be a more appropriate word.  Wink  biggrin 
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 7:58 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 7):
And here's my question: What computer manufacturer still includes serial ports in their computers? (Consumer, not corporate)

 checkmark  For the most part, USB has replaced serial and parallel ports. Same reason why you don't see 3.5" diskette drives in many computers anymore.

As for my experience, I hate HP. I'll never buy another product from them again. Their customer service sucks, and so does the reliablility of many of their products (I.E., printers).
 
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 8:03 am

I've had 2 HP/Compaq notebooks and 1 desktop. Never had a problem with them at all. Right now I'm using a Cicero desktop and Acer notebook, both of which I bought at the same store as the HP/Compaq's, all I can say is that I really miss my HP's.
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 8:20 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 3):
At work, I use an HP Compaq dc7700 with an HP 1955 monitor.

That's a great combination!

Quoting AirSpare (Reply 4):
I was cruising the HP site looking for a laptop, they only come with Windows Vista. No thanks, I'll pass.

Another problem is that they don't come with serial ports. the machines are semi useless without one to me. I need to connect to console ports, if just about every ATM switch or UNIX box has a DB9 Console connecter, any laptop without one is just a toy. Don't even ask me to buy a POS USB to DB9 adapter.

When you first enter the web site, click Small Business rather than Home and you'll find what you want. Last time I checked most home users didn't have ATM switches and Unix boxes.
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 8:30 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 3):
At work, I use an HP Compaq dc7700 with an HP 1955 monitor.

I take care of 750 of those sets every day where I work. They are trouble-free so far, much better than the d530 SFF's they replaced. The CPU heat sink on the 530's worked as a very effecive lint filter, just like the one in a dryer and they plugged up and overheated the CPU's in no time. We fought those SOB's 3 years, I'm so glad the lease was up on them.

As for my home computer(s), I'd NEVER use a store-bought computer (except laptop) because they simply can't be built to the specs I want. I build all of my own computers.
 
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 9:28 am

I had a HP craptop, 512 MB RAM, 40 GB HDD, P4m, 1.8 GHz...it was a POS. I had to replace the screen twice, the hard drive once and the CD writer once, and this was done when the damn thing was out of warranty. I also had a HP desktop..it was shit as well. It used to freeze when surfing the net, and when playing Flight sim (even though it as a P4, 3 Ghz with 128 MB video card dunno what the problem was).

I have been using Dell for the last 2 years and I've never had any problems with either my desktop or Inspiron laptop. I love Dell now..and I'm never going back to HP.
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 10:16 am

There's a debugging that goes on witha new computer. The first thing I do is open up the add-remover programs area in control panel and start getting rid of shit.
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 10:24 am

As I have never used HP computers, I won't comment on them. But as for buying electronics from Wal-Mart, that I've done. And I will never do so again. Two VCRs and a TV that crapped out long before they should have were enough for me.
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 11:13 am

I recently bought an HP machine (specced out about the same as your Dell), and I'm very happy with it.

In fact, I'm still running it with the same setup it cam out of the box with. For the past 20 years, I have had a habit of reformatting the hard drive and installing what I want from scratch. This HP is the first time I broke that rule, and it's been fine - the few promotional programs that it came with were easily removed.
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 1:06 pm

If you didn't want all the crap on it, why didn't you just do a fresh install of Windows the minute you turned it on? That sure does a hell of a lot better job at getting rid of all the shit you don't want than Add/Remove Programs does.
 
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 1:28 pm

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Thread starter):
60gb HD, 256MB ram, 64MB Shared Video Memory

Not to mention that the only operating system that you could run reasonably well with that little RAM would be Windows 98 or earlier. What were you running on it?
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 4:59 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 22):
Not to mention that the only operating system that you could run reasonably well with that little RAM would be Windows 98 or earlier. What were you running on it?

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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 7:20 pm

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Thread starter):
256MB ram

well there's problem number one.

Quoting AirSpare (Reply 4):
HP site looking for a laptop, they only come with Windows Vista



Quoting AirSpare (Reply 4):
they don't come with serial ports

My new one that I got about 3 weeks ago has XP Professional and a serial port, as well as parallel and 4 USBs.

Personally I wouldn't hesitate to recommend HP, this is my third one and it is shit hot, Dual core 2GHz processor, 100GB hard drive, 2GB RAM, DVD writer, wireless, Bluetooth, fingerprint reader...  Smile
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Tue May 22, 2007 8:14 pm

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 23):
HA HA!! Windows XP (Its what came with it.)

Once all booted up, XP seems to take 250-400 MB of RAM just for itself, forcing it onto the hard drive for virtual memory. You must have been ridding that HD pretty hard,
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Wed May 23, 2007 4:39 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 25):
Once all booted up, XP seems to take 250-400 MB of RAM just for itself, forcing it onto the hard drive for virtual memory. You must have been ridding that HD pretty hard

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Even though I consider the Paging File System a total POS -- it becomes very handy when Windows starts loading up everything on RAM memory because you are actively using many applications at a time and suddenly runs out, which could lead to a system reboot (and loss of information).

Quoting Andz (Reply 24):
Personally I wouldn't hesitate to recommend HP, this is my third one and it is shit hot, Dual core 2GHz processor, 100GB hard drive, 2GB RAM, DVD writer, wireless, Bluetooth, fingerprint reader... Smile

What model did you buy, Andz?

Quoting Queso (Reply 16):
I take care of 750 of those sets every day where I work. They are trouble-free so far, much better than the d530 SFF's they replaced. The CPU heat sink on the 530's worked as a very effecive lint filter, just like the one in a dryer and they plugged up and overheated the CPU's in no time. We fought those SOB's 3 years, I'm so glad the lease was up on them.

As for my home computer(s), I'd NEVER use a store-bought computer (except laptop) because they simply can't be built to the specs I want. I build all of my own computers.

Completely agree. I've been a loyal HP corporate product user for years and know that that problem is a fact. Our IT department gets them every 2 or 3 months or so for a "tune up".

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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Wed May 23, 2007 6:39 pm

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Thread starter):
Is it Walmart, or Hewlett-Packard.

Hewlett-Packard.. Wal-Mart wouldn't sell it unless it was a piece of shit. A few years back, under Carly, HP stopped making actual quality equipment and started making cheap shit.

Examples:
A few years ago HP printers used to be truly bulletproof, now I would be hesitant to even buy one.

They used to make the best engineering calculators in the world, now the calculators they do make barely even work when new.

The computers went from looking decent into looking ridiculous with all kinds of swoopy shit and silver painted plastic. If I wanted spinners for my computer I would buy them seperately.

Their laptops are total junk

The warranty support is a joke- You call India only to be jerked around and hung up on until anything is out of warranty.



Fact remains though, the specs on that computer werent exactly impressive

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Thread starter):
Compaq

Same shit, new name. You may remember the "watch your best friends fall down the stairs" merger a few years back when HP and Compaq got together and decided to suck together.


I wouldn't let my worst enemy buy an HP or a Compaq anymore.
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Wed May 23, 2007 9:13 pm

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 27):
HP stopped making actual quality equipment

Not true

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 27):
and started making cheap shit.

Unfortunately, very true. If it says Pavilion or Presario on it, then it's a consumer model intended to compete with Acer, Gateway, white boxes, etc. Don't expect enterprise level quality for Wally World prices.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 27):
A few years ago HP printers used to be truly bulletproof, now I would be hesitant to even buy one.

The consumer models are low cost throw away units. While the business class models aren't the near bulletproof hulks they used to be, the difference is that they'll reliably last 5-7 years vs 10-20 years. For the most part, it's not economic to keep them past that time anyway.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 27):
They used to make the best engineering calculators in the world, now the calculators they do make barely even work when new.

It is truly sad to see what has happened to the Corvallis division.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 27):
The computers went from looking decent into looking ridiculous with all kinds of swoopy shit and silver painted plastic. If I wanted spinners for my computer I would buy them seperately.

Buy the business class models and you won't see this. Consumer models are styled for what people will buy.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 27):
Their laptops are total junk

Again, totally untrue for business class models.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 27):
The warranty support is a joke- You call India only to be jerked around and hung up on until anything is out of warranty

I personally can't comment on the consumer end of things other than to say that this was certainly true of Compaq pre-merger. However, here are a few things to think about in the business world regarding support:

1. For 80-90% of products, partner delivered support is available. This means that you never have to talk to HP or India. You simply call the local HP service provider who participates in the program and talk to their service department. We service hundreds of customers this way and they love it as we never put them on hold and are very responsive to their needs. Depending on the level of service purchased, repairs are normally complete in 4-24 hours.

2. HP(business end) starts the clock for response time the minute the call is logged. This means that once you have give the basic information, i.e. serial and model number, name, address, etc. to the agent on the phone they have 4 hours to have a tech on site for a four hour contract for example. Seems pretty simple, huh? Well, Dell and others start their four hour clock after the guy in India is done having you re-format your drive for the 13th time or whatever else he wants you to do. We typically end up repairing 4-5 Dells a week that are in warranty for T&M just because the owners have been worn down by their support staff.

3. When things do go south with HP and it certainly can happen, ask for "The Voice of the Customer". This is their internal ombudsman group that will attempt to straighten out any bad situations. I've found this to be very helpful in a variety of circumstances, mainly in getting upgraded parts/products at no additional charge when something is supply constrained.
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Wed May 23, 2007 10:02 pm

Quoting AirSpare (Reply 4):
Another problem is that they don't come with serial ports. the machines are semi useless without one to me. I need to connect to console ports, if just about every ATM switch or UNIX box has a DB9 Console connecter, any laptop without one is just a toy. Don't even ask me to buy a POS USB to DB9 adapter.

Hey, I thought I was the only one out there who still used serial ports...  Smile

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 7):
And here's my question: What computer manufacturer still includes serial ports in their computers? (Consumer, not corporate)

Depends on where you draw the consumer line. Dell for example has the utter dog shit Inspiron / Dimension that are clearly consumer and I wouldn't touch with a 10' pole; Latitude and Optiplex kind of straddle the line and most of those models include serial ports last time I checked. Precision (notebooks and desktops) models are clearly the high(er) end corporate boxes and also include serial ports... I know some of HP's notebooks include serial ports since I've seen clients with them, but I don't know where they land in the lineup.

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 28):
Unfortunately, very true. If it says Pavilion or Presario on it, then it's a consumer model intended to compete with Acer, Gateway, white boxes, etc. Don't expect enterprise level quality for Wally World prices.

Yup, yup, and yup. With Dell it's the same thing with Inspiron (laptops) and Dimension (desktops) -- complete shit by comparison in terms of build quality, serviceability, crapware content, etc, etc.
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Thu May 24, 2007 12:47 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 26):
What model did you buy, Andz?

It's an nc6320, RH383EA. Not sure if it is available all over, I guess we get the old stuff here!

http://www.laptopdirect.co.za/laptop_specifications.php?laptop=3762#
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Thu May 24, 2007 1:40 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 30):
It's an nc6320, RH383EA. Not sure if it is available all over, I guess we get the old stuff here!

Well, each area has their own "product code". I can tell you that the Compaq nc6320 was released March 9, 2006. So, it's not that old.

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 29):
I know some of HP's notebooks include serial ports since I've seen clients with them, but I don't know where they land in the lineup.

So far, the Serial port has disappeared for quite some time now. Ever since 2003 no Pavilion laptop has included a serial port. Only the corporate laptops do --- but in lines that were released until last year (and only some of those lines, eg. Compaq nc6320)

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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Thu May 24, 2007 4:43 am

Not to change my own subject, but don't even get me started with eMachines...

Those things are the biggest hunk of shit I've EVER seen in my entire life. a friend of mine bought one, and it seemed like after the 15-day return policy was over, shit started going wrong. his hard-drive has crashed twice, RAM has gone out 3 times, and the cooling fan motor burned up 2 months after he got it. He was so sick of it that after the fan burned up, he didn't bother repairing it, he told me he paid $600.00 for it, and it wasn't worth it. He picked it up, took it outside, and smashed that sum bitch on his driveway. Now for the past 2 years, he's had a Dell, and it has worked perfectly.
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Thu May 24, 2007 10:44 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 30):
It's an nc6320, RH383EA. Not sure if it is available all over, I guess we get the old stuff here!

Not at all, that's a very current model, out just over one year but with at least one major rev on processors, etc. since intro.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 31):
So far, the Serial port has disappeared for quite some time now. Ever since 2003 no Pavilion laptop has included a serial port. Only the corporate laptops do --- but in lines that were released until last year (and only some of those lines, eg. Compaq nc6320)

The HP 84XX series laptops also have legacy serial ports.
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Thu May 24, 2007 2:15 pm

hmph...i have a crappy HP Pavilion ZE4933US.......shoulda got the damn EA version.....it does what it wants, when it wants....damn crappy (rumble rumble.......) anyone have this notebook or know anyone that has it?
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Sat May 26, 2007 6:09 am

Thought I'd add this to the discussion. For those that tried to glorify Dell by stating it does not sell Wal-Mart PCs like HP have lost an argument:

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Desperate for sales growth, struggling PC maker Dell has decided the quickest way to get it lies through retail king Wal-Mart Stores.

Dell (nasdaq: DELL - news - people ) confirmed Thursday that the struggling PC giant--which rose to the top in the hardscrabble computer retail business by hawking its wares directly to its customers--will start selling desktop computers through 3,000 Wal-Mart (nyse: WMT - news - people ) outlets starting June 10.

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But the cost will be steep: Wal-Mart's customers aren't the kind of big spenders who will splash out for a high-margin gaming rig. Go to Wal-Mart's Web site and you'll find cut-rate brands such as eMachines and Everex competing with low-end machines from Hewlett-Packard

http://www.forbes.com/technology/200...ville-tech-cx_bc_0524dellmart.html
 
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Sat May 26, 2007 6:41 am

My experience with HP hardware was limited to a several professional workstations with dual Xeons and Itanium chips. Back in the day the lab paid on the order of $15k to $25k for each of these. The Xeons were (and still are) very fast and reliable. Not so with Itaniums. Just a couple months after the 3 year warranty on those Itaniums had expired, the motherboeard died. This Itanimum machine is no more.
 
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Sat May 26, 2007 7:01 am

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 33):
The HP 84XX series laptops also have legacy serial ports.

Are you talking about the HP Compaq nc84xx and nw8xxx?

Those are commercial/corporate products, which are NOT Pavilion (Consumer only).

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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Sat May 26, 2007 7:56 am

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 11):
I use an HP Pavilion dv2000 laptop that's about 9 months old and has never given me any trouble.

I recently bought the same machine, and other than the SD slot not functioning right (see my other thread), it has been a great machine. I've bought Dell for the past few hours and this is the first non-Dell machine I've had since, and I am thoroughly happy I did.
 
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Sat May 26, 2007 10:56 pm

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 37):
Those are commercial/corporate products, which are NOT Pavilion (Consumer only).

I made the point earlier that these days it's necessary to go with a commercial model to get serial. I wouldn't expect that to last more than another year though,
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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Sun May 27, 2007 12:33 am

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Thread starter):
Can anybody else share experiences with me? What if I were to go to Best Buy and buy a Hewlett-Packard? Would I get a better computer? Would I get better peace of mind?

We bought a Hewitt-Packard desktop about 3 years ago from Future Shop and we have had no problems with it. It runs great and is not slow at all however, there was a lot of crap loaded on it that we didn't want. So I removed it all.

I bought a Dell E520 desktop with most of the same specs that you have back in November 06 I have had no problems with it either. It came with NO extra programs or crap, nice and clean and with only the programs I ordered. I am a graphic designer and have used Dell for about 10 years and have never had any problems. I looked at Best Buy and other places and for the same system it would have cost me way more.

To answer your question, I have a good friend who works at Wal-Mart and she explained to me that the electronic products that they sell (all electronics) may advertise the same as elsewhere but the insides are definately of a lower standard. This is how they can sell Name Brand Products for a low low price.

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RE: Rant: Hewlett-Packard Computers (What Do You Use)

Mon May 28, 2007 1:08 am

I have a Dell Inspiron XPS M170 (2gb RAM, 80gb hd, Pentium M 2.13GHz).

Frustratingly, I bought it in December 2005 right just months before the prices of laptop hard drives shot down (you wouldn't pay £1700 for an 80gb laptop now!). The prices are so low now - you can by a Dell with a similar spec to mine but Dual-Core and like a 120gb HD for under £700. Where'd the £1000 go in the past 9 months??

I would never buy a PC at a store now - why would you when you can customise it online on websites like Dell's?
You'd be buying a system thats probably been sat on a shelf for months with old components in it.

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