|Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 6):|
What Confucsius is saying is that no matter what border we build, the illegal immigrants will find a way to circumvent it.
Bad argument, because at the same level you could say that no matter if you take a shower every day, you still have to do it again the next day, so why take a shower?
What you all miss is a good chunk of the reasons WHY they are coming, and why a lot of them will soon disappear. But there are also good reasons why the government will talk, and do nothing about it.
As you all know, many could consider me Hispanic, even though my father was German. My wife is from Mexico. I have a co-worker from Mexico (citizen now) who has plenty of legal and illegal family members here. So what I am about to tell you is from personal knowledge, not something gleaned from whatever SHIT politicians are using for a particular day.
I work in construction, and we are seeing something in California that was not seen even 5 years ago. It is a construction site full of illegals, certainly over 50%, if not more. You have to understand that way prior to this (I celebrate 18 years in the industry soon), it was well known within the industry that not enough people were picking construction as a career. So what you have is a perfect storm.
A housing boom begins, and companies start hiring illegals to do the work. The illegals get paid LESS
than a legal worker, but WAY more than illegal laborers. Let's say that a good pay for a fruit picker was $5/hr. In construction, the same man would be paid $20/hr. But if he were legal, he would be paid $60/hr. So in a stupid sense, 'everybody wins'. REMEMBER: I DO
NOT KNOW OF
ANY LEGAL CONSTRUCTION WORKER WHO COULD NOT GET
This windfall for illegals bred additional interest for others to come and make a good living. At the same time, illegals started to (gasp!) purchase homes, get loans, etc., essentially creating another economy. And paying some taxes into the local economies.
These people come to the US and most do something first: purchase a Social Security number. This creates another interesting problem. You have about 9 MILLION people paying into a SS
account, w/o real hope of ever receiving the benefits. Do we see a conflict now? How much tax money govenment is also getting from illegals. Whether illegals pay more into the system than they take out, that's another question.
These illegals then start to 'feel' more part of the system, witness by the increasing level of overt protests they conduct. I mean, they have houses, money, more 'professional' jobs, etc. And my wife and I sat flabergasted at a simple problem we had. We needed some temporary help at home, and most illegals that were referred to us, would not work for less than $20/hr. WTF? There are professional people in our office who would gladly work for that kind of money, especially since its tax free.
You all must also remember that California has a big problem now because there are not enough people to work the fields, after all, why work there when you can get paid so much more doing other things.
But what happened? The housing bubble burst, and some (for now) of those illegals are now looking for work that they cannot and will not get. The government will duly note that the unemployment rate has not gone up so high, since a lot of the unemployed were not official anyways. And soon you will have plenty of illegals with nothing to do.
What happens then? We'll see.
Jeez, that was my longest post ever. I hope I made some sense.