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Techies: What's Your Favorite Linux Flavor?

Fri May 25, 2007 3:09 am

Okay, so after playing with several flavors over the past few years, I've finally settled on Fedora. It may have its drawbacks, such as needing to manual set up a WIFI connection, but once it's set up, I find it quite easy to use.

I've used others, such as Ubuntu, PCLinuxOS, and Slackware, but I feel most at home in Fedora, at both the command line and in GNOME. Yum and RPM make installing things a snap, and mucho repositories help out a lot.

So, for those of you out there that use, or have used, Linux, which do you like, and why?
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RE: Techies: What's Your Favorite Linux Flavor?

Fri May 25, 2007 3:18 am

I have used Yggdrasil Linux, Slackware, RedHat, Fedora, SuSE and right now at home I'm using Ubuntu while on work servers Debian!
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RE: Techies: What's Your Favorite Linux Flavor?

Fri May 25, 2007 3:33 am

Debian-based Knoppix v5.1.1.
 
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RE: Techies: What's Your Favorite Linux Flavor?

Fri May 25, 2007 4:20 am

lmao.

Fedora?!?!

Cheap imitation of a cross between OS X and Windows

Take a look at this:

http://linux-noob.com/review/fedora/fcrh/images/fcr5.png

What does that remind you of?

Menu bar exactly the same as X, including the comically blue fedora logo in the same place as the apple logo. And what is that I see along the bottom? Why, its XP style task bar tabs...

The question is...why use Linux? Join the real world and get a machine that isn't 1,000,000 times harder to operate than the equivalent X or XP machine......

Fair enough if you use it as a business tool - but as a home option? Give me a break. You're not big or clever by using this.

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Fri May 25, 2007 4:34 am

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RE: Techies: What's Your Favorite Linux Flavor?

Fri May 25, 2007 5:06 am

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 3):
Cheap imitation of a cross between OS X and Windows

That's GNOME, the GUI interface, and is included with Fedora, but the developers have no affiliation with Fedora or Red Hat, and the GUI is included with many flavors. If you want to see "cheap imitation" then look at KDE. Here's something you can do with GNOME and KDE, though, that you CAN'T with Windows or OSX: you can install any look and/or feel that you want, can heavily customize it, and can contribute to it's development.

I guess that you'll next accuse the command-line interface of being a cheap imitation of the Mac OSX command-line interface?

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 3):
The question is...why use Linux? Join the real world and get a machine that isn't 1,000,000 times harder to operate than the equivalent X or XP machine......

Linux IS the real world. A.net is running on *nix server. Wikipedia runs on Fedora 5. Domain names and IP addresses started with Unix, and Linux is an open source variation of Unix. The whole internet is based on *nix protocols! Got a problem with it?

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 3):
Fair enough if you use it as a business tool - but as a home option? Give me a break. You're not big or clever by using this.

Why be bonded to the likes of Bill or Steve? Linux is free to install and free to distribute. There's no licensing, no proprietary hardware, and no limiting architectures. It's a very universal operating system, and with the multitude of variations ("flavors") of Linux that linux has, you can do anything with it.
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RE: Techies: What's Your Favorite Linux Flavor?

Fri May 25, 2007 5:39 am

I am very comfortable with any flavour. Although I must hand out the ease of use award to OpenSuse. In fact the latest version detects all your hardware and configures them automatically.

Personally I love Gentoo - the build it yourself Linux - Gentoo allowed me to have a mean, lean, ultra-fast machine with everything I needed.


Both Linux and Windows are nice and have their own faults.
Nothing beats Linux and its variants when you have to do a programming task, compose thesis in Latex etc.
Windows has an amazing ease of use, no nonsense get directly to it attitude, although the path may not be as efficient.


For Windows Lovers: Search for "Unix haters Handbook" on web. Its a free E-book, you'll enjoy reading it!  Wink
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RE: Techies: What's Your Favorite Linux Flavor?

Fri May 25, 2007 5:48 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
The whole internet is based on *nix protocols! Got a problem with it?

The whole internet is based on open protocols like TCP/IP (the reference stack for which is BSD based, which is very very distantly related to Unix).

Linux is all good and nice, but people are allowed to have other preferences. I, for example, run many Linux (and Unix, like Solarix and AIX, and BSD, mainly OpenBSD) servers but I wouldnt ever have it on the desktop, and I dont choose it for every server I require.

My Linux distribution of choice is Gentoo.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
Linux is free to install and free to distribute. There's no licensing

Linux is licensed under the GPL, and you have to watch yourself when you distribute it because it can bite you in the ass.
 
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Fri May 25, 2007 5:54 am

Quoting Moo (Reply 7):
Linux is licensed under the GPL, and you have to watch yourself when you distribute it because it can bite you in the ass.

You're right about GPL. I should have been more clear when I wrote that, but when I said "licenseing" I meant paying an exorbatant amount of money just to install the software.
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RE: Techies: What's Your Favorite Linux Flavor?

Fri May 25, 2007 5:58 am

I put Ubuntu on my work laptop. It's great, except that I still have to use my windows machine for Office 2007 documents. We are a marketing vendor for MS, and have to prepare everything in Office 2007. I'm looking forward to better open office - Office 2007 compatibility.

For Servers - Debian, 3 and 4. .. Help and tutorials for it are in abundance on the net. Managing my Windows servers takes up 95% of my job, but only because the environment is more complex (Exchange, VSS, MOSS, etc.). The Linux boxes seem to just run by themselves, albeit, their tasks are rather limited > Web Server, Mail Gateway, FTP, etc.
 
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RE: Techies: What's Your Favorite Linux Flavor?

Fri May 25, 2007 5:58 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 8):

You're right about GPL. I should have been more clear when I wrote that, but when I said "licenseing" I meant paying an exorbatant amount of money just to install the software.

Define 'an exorbitant amount of money' - if it does what I need, I'm willing to pay the cost. Rabid fanboyism will only hurt me in the long run.
 
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RE: Techies: What's Your Favorite Linux Flavor?

Fri May 25, 2007 6:10 am

Slackware for me .... Tried many of them throughout the years, but all of my servers running Linux are running Slackware  Smile

I dual boot Vista and Kubuntu on my primary desktop.

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RE: Techies: What's Your Favorite Linux Flavor?

Fri May 25, 2007 6:14 am

Quoting Moo (Reply 10):
Define 'an exorbitant amount of money' - if it does what I need, I'm willing to pay the cost. Rabid fanboyism will only hurt me in the long run.

Say, oh, $360 for Windows Vista Ultimate. I know that the Enterprise editions of Linux will, for the most part, be pay-for-use software since it comes with support services, etc., since a high majority of those users will not be "techy" people. For someone who uses *nix on a personal machine, though, they generally have the technical know-how understand the material provided by the developer and help-circles (which really isn't all that hard to read) in order to maintain and use the system.

As far as fanboyism, I'm far from it. I understand the software's strengths and its limitations. All I did in reply 5 was explain, to the best of my ability, why he was wrong in his reasoning.

(Besides, WoW isn't flawless using WINE and OpenGL, so I use Windows on my main system for that.   )

Quoting N234NW (Reply 9):
Managing my Windows servers takes up 95% of my job, but only because the environment is more complex (Exchange, VSS, MOSS, etc.).

And now that Microsoft is dipping it's hand into the Linux market, it's just going to get worse, I fear.

edit- For PR, it's a server I set up, and while I've set up Linux on my regular PC, becuase of the small market share and exposure it has, it still has its limitations as far as mass-produced commercial software, and therefore not good for home use, except for those who like digging into the internals of something and have nothing better to do.  Wink

[Edited 2007-05-24 23:20:50]
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RE: Techies: What's Your Favorite Linux Flavor?

Fri May 25, 2007 6:15 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
Linux IS the real world. A.net is running on *nix server. Wikipedia runs on Fedora 5. Domain names and IP addresses started with Unix, and Linux is an open source variation of Unix. The whole internet is based on *nix protocols! Got a problem with it?

Yeah, my two webservers run on Unix and Windows - and the former is by far the most reliable and easy to manage - but that is not my home solution - and it is NOT what I would want to use for non-work related tools.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
Linux is free to install and free to distribute.

www.redhat.com *rolls eyes*

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
Why be bonded to the likes of Bill or Steve?

Because the operating systems are much better?

Seriously. Think about it.
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Fri May 25, 2007 6:16 am

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 3):
Fedora?!?!

Cheap imitation of a cross between OS X and Windows

Thats called the GUI, which is GNOME in that case. The under-the-hood is nothing close to windows, and far better than OS X, in my opinion.

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 3):
What does that remind you of?

A computer...

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 3):
Menu bar exactly the same as X, including the comically blue fedora logo in the same place as the apple logo. And what is that I see along the bottom? Why, its XP style task bar tabs...

Again, its the GUI.

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 3):
The question is...why use Linux? Join the real world and get a machine that isn't 1,000,000 times harder to operate than the equivalent X or XP machine......

The real world operates on Linux, dude. I can go find the percentage of Linux web servers compared to Windows servers if you want. Most sites you go to are running on *nix, not to mention A.net.

Most communications across the world are based on *nix. Passenger lists on flights from departure to destination: *nix. Baggage lists: *nix. The horse power behind DSL: *nix. Your router you are sitting behind: *nix.

Get the idea?

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 3):
You're not big or clever by using this.

Well, that is true, because *nix is fairly easy to use... *bows to  clever  windows or OS X user*.



on topic:

My favorite distro has got to be Fedora 6... I'm running several servers on it right now. I'd like to try CentOS instead of Fedora for the servers, though.





But I admit *nix is not the great savior of the world. For regular home usage, I use XP (soon Vista, maaaaybe), just because it is so much easier to use what "everybody" else uses. Plus, I like some of the features in Windows that make it a breeze. No, its not as customizable, but the stuff that does need changing is in a GUI, not command line, where you have to remember 500 commands.

But for any other use... I love Linux!
 
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RE: Techies: What's Your Favorite Linux Flavor?

Fri May 25, 2007 6:19 am

Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 14):

Don't get me wrong. I understand that the net operates on linux. But seriously - for a home option - sharing files with friends and family and general interaction - Linux is a joke if the rest of your family and friends run OS X, or *takes deep breath* - windows.

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RE: Techies: What's Your Favorite Linux Flavor?

Fri May 25, 2007 6:20 am

I use "Puppy"

Boots from CD, runs entierly in RAM and is excellent for going on the internet (the fact it runs in the RAM makes it much safer should it encounter a LINUX compatible virus.

I'm looking for other varients which I can run on the same machine as WINXP. I am going to use puppy on my older computer as it makes it lightning fast (and will give the machine a future as it looked like it was staying in storage, but now can be used as an internet only workhorse.

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RE: Techies: What's Your Favorite Linux Flavor?

Fri May 25, 2007 8:29 am

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 16):
I use "Puppy"

Sometimes I use Puppy too! I have it burned on a mini-CD and I really like the look of it. Have you ever tried DSL, Damn Small Linux? I use that sometimes depending on my mood and I like the "status" info it has right on the desktop.
 
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Fri May 25, 2007 11:36 am

OpenBSD > *




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Fri May 25, 2007 11:51 am

First and foremost I'm a Mac user, but I am now at the point where all of my computers dual boot with Gentoo Linux (though only the PC and the server boot into it on a regular basis). I like how Gentoo lets me customize to get just what I want, and also appreciate how once it's installed it goes version-less. Once you install it, every time you update the packages you'll always get the latest versions available. Unlike, say, Fedora, where if you're still using Fedora Core 4, you're stuck with Firefox 1.0.x unless you install a newer version manually; whereas Core 5 and 6 users have 1.5 (and won't get 2).

At work I use Fedora (currently Core 5) and have grown to appreciate it; there's something to be said for having things just work, unlike constant configuration to get things working on Gentoo -- fortunately, lots of things for Gentoo are well documented and the community is very helpful.

If I had to setup Linux to be my main daily OS at home, I'd probably look at Kubuntu or Fedora with KDE. For a server, I'd probably lean towards CentOS, since it goes a lot longer between major upgrades so it's easier to keep the applications up to date without having to take the server down for a full reinstall.
 
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RE: Techies: What's Your Favorite Linux Flavor?

Fri May 25, 2007 1:52 pm

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 15):
Don't get me wrong. I understand that the net operates on linux. But seriously - for a home option - sharing files with friends and family and general interaction - Linux is a joke if the rest of your family and friends run OS X, or *takes deep breath* - windows.

Ah, my bad. I agree with using it for home office stuff, file sharing, etc. Pain in the butt. But that is mostly because "everybody else" uses windows or Mac. If "everybody else" used linux... well... it would be a dream!

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 13):

www.redhat.com *rolls eyes*

With Red Hat, you pay for the support. They release the source code, which Fedora and CentOS are based off of. They just don't release the compiled product for free - and they bundle it with support.

Besides, why would you be using Red Hat? Thats more for enterprise stuff... Fedora is the desktop brother of Red Hat, and is much better suited to home use.
 
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Fri May 25, 2007 5:47 pm

Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 20):
Ah, my bad. I agree with using it for home office stuff, file sharing, etc. Pain in the butt. But that is mostly because "everybody else" uses windows or Mac. If "everybody else" used linux... well... it would be a dream!

Yes.
So if Mac and Windows can be compatible - why cannot Linux? How is it so holy-style great if it cannot complete basic tasks that any home office or home machine needs - to interact with friends and family.

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RE: Techies: What's Your Favorite Linux Flavor?

Fri May 25, 2007 6:25 pm

Quoting Queso (Reply 17):
Have you ever tried DSL, Damn Small Linux?

Not tried it yet, heard about it though. I think I'll take a look later on tonight.

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 21):
So if Mac and Windows can be compatible - why cannot Linux? How is it so holy-style great if it cannot complete basic tasks that any home office or home machine needs - to interact with friends and family.

Linux can open just about any file that windows can, including office files. The only problem I have had is saving them so office can read them. It just depends on if someone has managed to make an application for the task you need.

BTW - Does anyone know a good MP3 player for it, I can play Mp3s in puppy but there is no application to close, so if I want to stop the song I must exit the OS and reload, takes about 30 seconds in total.

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RE: Techies: What's Your Favorite Linux Flavor?

Fri May 25, 2007 11:18 pm

I'm a Slackware guy, through and through. But if somebody asks me to recommend something for them I say Ubuntu, it's idiot-proof meaning I will not end up giving hours of free support as I would inevitably do if I put people on to Slackware.

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Sat May 26, 2007 10:16 am

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 21):
Yes.
So if Mac and Windows can be compatible - why cannot Linux? How is it so holy-style great if it cannot complete basic tasks that any home office or home machine needs - to interact with friends and family.

Let us help you then. What can't you perform under Linux?

File sharing on the LAN? Samba
Documents/spreadsheets etc.? OpenOffice.org
Playing music? Take your pick, there's plenty of selection. Freshmeat's multimedia section
Playing video? Xine, mplayer, ...
Instant messaging? Pidgin (previously gaim)

Seriously - what is giving you problems? We can solve it here  Smile

And if anyone wants to give Linux a spin - I suggest using a Live CD, to see it for yourself.

Download, burn, take it for a spin ...

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Sun May 27, 2007 12:46 am

Quoting Damirc (Reply 24):
Seriously - what is giving you problems? We can solve it here Smile

Sorry perhaps you don't understand...

Maybe I just want to install my OS, boot it up and get on with my work without spending 45 years setting things up before its ready?

I want simplicity. Not effort and an ugly os....
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Sun May 27, 2007 12:54 am

Haven't really used Linux much  Sad

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Sun May 27, 2007 1:54 am

Quoting Damirc (Reply 24):
Seriously - what is giving you problems? We can solve it here

This attitude has become prevalent (and I'm not saying its a bad attitude, so don't take it that way) among evangelical Linux users - 'whats the problem and we can fix it'.

I'm siding with ThePRGuy here, I dislike using Linux on the desktop. Yes, I can do most of what I want to do under Gnome or KDE or WindowMaker, but I don't want to because I don't like the platform.

I use Linux extensively, its part of my server choice makeup - it gets chosen a lot for things I want to do. I check back on Linux on the desktop every six months or so, play around with it for a few weeks, and always walk away.

I just dislike it. X11 needs a significant overhaul to make various things not seem like bodge bolt-on jobs, the various window managers and desktops need a load of people to 'polish' it, and the little crappy jobs need doing.

Its a personal preference - and you cant fix that without a *lot* of effort. In many cases there is no problem, its just a general dislike of the different way in which Linux approaches the desktop, and thats even harder to fix.

Its not a slap in the face of Linux, but many evangelicals seem to take it as a personal insult, and thats bad.
 
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Sun May 27, 2007 3:47 am

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 25):
Sorry perhaps you don't understand...

Well I just responded to try and help you the compatibility issues with data exchange which you claim to have with your friends and family  Smile

Quote:
Maybe I just want to install my OS, boot it up and get on with my work without spending 45 years setting things up before its ready?

Give Kubuntu 7.0.4 a spin. Detected everything perfectly for me...

Quote:
I want simplicity. Not effort and an ugly os....

And this is why Windows still prevails  Smile As long as it looks cutesy who cares about the occasional BSOD or two :]

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Sun May 27, 2007 3:55 am

Quoting Moo (Reply 27):
This attitude has become prevalent (and I'm not saying its a bad attitude, so don't take it that way) among evangelical Linux users - 'whats the problem and we can fix it'.

Fact of the matter is that these days the only aspect where Linux is really lagging - is gaming. What you will find in the Linux community however, is the fact that many people will (at least try to) help you. And btw - I hope you don't see me as an evangelical Linux user  Smile I maintain 2k3, Linux and FreeBSD servers - I do not try to push Linux in every nook and crany I see - but there are many uses where Linux beats 2k3 - for the time being this is still mostly for specific tasks and not as a, shall we say, SBS replacing server.

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I'm siding with ThePRGuy here, I dislike using Linux on the desktop. Yes, I can do most of what I want to do under Gnome or KDE or WindowMaker, but I don't want to because I don't like the platform.

Well. There's more of us in this boat then. I have Kubuntu on this box - but this post is still written from Windows - I can't see myself using Gnome ... KDE is getting close, but it's not quite there yet. :/

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Its a personal preference - and you cant fix that without a *lot* of effort. In many cases there is no problem, its just a general dislike of the different way in which Linux approaches the desktop, and thats even harder to fix.

It is getting better, but I again have to agree with you - it is not there yet.

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