flynavy
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A Thought On Iraq Government Contracts

Sat May 26, 2007 2:34 am

Recently, I started applying for jobs and started planning for my transition back to civilian life after being in the military for five years. I've posted resumes online at sites like HotJobs, Monster, and directly to companies through their web sites. Last week, I received a phone call from an unidentified number. It was a company responding to my resume that I'd posted on Monster. The company, who wanted to remain unidentified, wanted to move me out to Southern California to work as an avionics technician on Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs).

Sounds like a good gig, right? Guess again...

The company apparently sends maintenance crews over to Iraq and wanted to send me. The representative from the company told me that the frequency of Iraq deployments is roughly 90 days in duration with a four month-long gap in between deployments. The compensation for each 90-day period is roughly $40,000 (and that's just starting out), and assuming at least two deployments in a year, we're talking $80,000+, all tax-free!

I didn't realize it until a few days later after thinking about it when it became clear to me that to take that job would be immoral. Why?

Because, simply put, their are soldiers serving in Iraq RIGHT NOW -- some on their second or third tour there -- who don't make $80,000 in an entire YEAR, much less in six months.

I think I did the right thing by turning down this job offer. Thoughts?  whistleblower 
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RE: A Thought On Iraq Government Contracts

Sat May 26, 2007 2:55 am

Your call.

Not right or wrong IMO.

If you think you did right, fine. Good for you.
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RE: A Thought On Iraq Government Contracts

Sat May 26, 2007 2:58 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
If you think you did right, fine. Good for you.

I agree with ANCFlyer on this one. You can probably do better than going all the way to Iraq.

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RE: A Thought On Iraq Government Contracts

Sat May 26, 2007 3:02 am

Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
Because, simply put, their are soldiers serving in Iraq RIGHT NOW -- some on their second or third tour there -- who don't make $80,000 in an entire YEAR, much less in six months.

There are tens of thousands of mercs (sorry, private security personnel) in Iraq nothing wrong with it if you ask me. You would be filling a need and being paid well for doing so. If you don't take it somebody else will.

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RE: A Thought On Iraq Government Contracts

Sat May 26, 2007 3:17 am

Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
Recently, I started applying for jobs and started planning for my transition back to civilian life after being in the military for five years.

First, let me say congratulations on serving a successful stint in the Navy. Good job.

Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
The company apparently sends maintenance crews over to Iraq and wanted to send me.

I worked with a ton of civilians. And they were all making really good money. Hell, go work for Black Water, and you'll be making upwards of $150,000. I know plenty of people who finished their term in the military, and went to work for civilian contractors.

It's a decent living and decent pay.

Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
Because, simply put, their are soldiers serving in Iraq RIGHT NOW -- some on their second or third tour there -- who don't make $80,000 in an entire YEAR, much less in six months.

I dunno... I guess it's a choice. The civilian contractors make way more than soldiers, but the companies also need to pay them that much in order to entice them to go work in Iraq. People aren't going to willingly go work in Iraq for $20,000!

Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
after thinking about it when it became clear to me that to take that job would be immoral.

Anyway, I would have thought that you would have turned this job down for other personal moral/ethical objections? I know you're opposed to this war, and as a contractor, you would be still supporting the war effort. Would you be OK with that?

Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):

I think I did the right thing by turning down this job offer. Thoughts?

So yeah... it's good money. I don't think it's unethical that you take the job, a lot of soldiers are doing the same thing. You would still be supporting the war effort, which I don't know how you would feel about that.

But you're what? 23ish? This would most likely be a short term deal - a company where you wouldn't spend decades working for. And you'd be making really good money. There are a lot of people our age who don't come CLOSE to what you'd be making!

If you took that money and saved/invested it wisely, you could easily set yourself up for success later in life. I'm talking about being a millionaire by the time you retire (no lie, it's not that hard to do). You have a marketable skill, and you can turn that into hard cash.

I think the real ethical dilemma for you, is how you feel about the war in general, and do you want to be apart of it again?

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RE: A Thought On Iraq Government Contracts

Sun May 27, 2007 6:39 am

First off, thank you for your service to our Great Nation!  bigthumbsup 

Second, it would not be tax-free unless you did not come back to the US on your time off. You have to remain outside the US for 330 days in a one year period starting from the day you depart the US, otherwise, all federal and state taxes (if applicable) would apply. Trust me on that one!!!

I also agree with ANCFlyer. Your decision and I respect that.

Good luck in your future!

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