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The Museum Of Creationism

Sat May 26, 2007 10:31 pm

Right outside CVG.... I've always wondered if/when something like this would exist



ARTICLE HERE


Among the central tenets the center expresses/displays:
  • Dinosaurs and humans existed concurrently
  • Noah's flood carved out the Grand Canyon in a matter of days, using Mt. St.Helens as evidence
  • Earth and the universe itself is no more than 6000yrs-old
  • All species of creatures, past or present, were herbivorous at one point.

    ...interesting quote as well:

    Quote:
    Start accepting evolution or an ancient Earth, and the result is like the giant wrecking ball, labeled “Millions of Years,” that is shown smashing the ground at the foundation of a church, the cracks reaching across the gallery to a model of a home in which videos demonstrate the imminence of moral dissolution. A teenager is shown sitting at a computer; he is, we are told, looking at pornography.

    What say you types?
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sat May 26, 2007 10:54 pm

    Those that deny the science of evolution are the real pornographers. One can believe in evolution and of a 'Supreme Being'. This so called 'museum' of extreme misinforation when seen by children may limit their later career choices in science related areas and encourages visitors to strictly follow the Bible, without questioning - that is the kind of non-thinking that leads to excessive religious involvement in our lives with negatave and offensive results.
     
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sat May 26, 2007 11:04 pm

    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
    Right outside CVG

    Sounds like a great place to have an a.net get-together. We could all go to the "museum" to criticize the exhibits and ask the the employees stupid questions.

    Actually, I'd like to see this exhibit:

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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 12:39 am

    Here's a link to an entire list of such museums. I drive past one of the ones they list (Gallery of Creation in Stone Mountain, GA) several times a month.

    Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 2):
    Actually, I'd like to see this exhibit:

    All you need to do is head over to the Black Hills...

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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 12:50 am

    Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 2):
    We could all go to the "museum" to criticize the exhibits and ask the the employees stupid questions.

    Not a difficult task for some people.

    Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 2):

    DISCLAIMER: Not referring to anybody in this thread.
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 1:05 am

    Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 2):
    We could all go to the "museum" to criticize the exhibits and ask the the employees stupid questions.

    I think it would be even more fun to ask the employees intelligent and probing questions.  devil 
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 1:17 am

    Quoting TSS (Reply 5):
    I think it would be even more fun to ask the employees intelligent and probing questions.

    That's a great idea.

    CVG meet, anyone? I'm in.
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 1:22 am

    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
    Dinosaurs and humans existed concurrently

    So Noah fitted a pair of every kind of dinosaur on the Ark? Must have been an even bigger boat than I thought. Or did he just leave them out all together? I suppose that would explain why they're not around anymore...

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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 1:34 am

    Hate to tell our US members this, but these places have been reported about abroad, not hugely, not leading articles, but they are known about.
    All nations have things the normal mainstream wish/hope stays in country, since it is just way too embarrassing.
    This is yours I think, (we have the near 50 year career of recording artist Cliff Richard, as one example).

    And it is cited when making a point, since these follies pervert what was a great piece of real achievement and self image for the USA.
    It's huge science heritage, where to start? Manhattan Project, the Space Programme, all those famous labs, places of learning, the famous names, to give one example of the latter, the people funding, building these perversions of knowledge, would if they had been around then, considered Edison a heretic.

    Those achievements I noted of course are still valid, still on going, but when the anti science posture of the Bush Administration is mentioned, these 'museums' are often mentioned, even though the Federal Government has nothing to do with them.
    They are really the worst kind of image for you.

    If those who were responsible for these places had any real beliefs, they'd run with their anti modern science beliefs, not pick and mix as suits them.
    So no electricity, nothing powered by the same, no materials or building methods not around in Biblical times.
    No trace of any kind of internal combustion engines.
    None of them, or thier followers, should have ANY kind of medication or medical interventions that are post Biblical, since it is the Biological sciences they deny the most. This would also have the effect of soon clearing the gene pool of the very unintelligent, the in-bred, even the border line pyschos perhpas.
    You either believe in science, or you don't.

    But they won't do this, because of course they are about money, about power, about being still blow-hards now wearing the KKK gear is so last century.
     
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 2:11 am

    Quoting GDB (Reply 8):
    we have the near 50 year career of recording artist Cliff Richard, as one example).

    I used to sing 'Summer Holiday' in the shower when I was a kid. The Shadows are still considered guitar legends  Smile

    Quoting GDB (Reply 8):
    And it is cited when making a point, since these follies pervert what was a great piece of real achievement and self image for the USA.
    It's huge science heritage, where to start? Manhattan Project, the Space Programme, all those famous labs, places of learning,...

    Not to mention Trailer Homes, Shag Carpeting and other modern miracles.

    Do you get 'Penn and Teller's Bullsh*t' on TV out there - you'd love it! While I agree with you, it just as important that we are tolerant of idiocy - hallmark of a great nation. We don't want to start a second Inquisition of challenging irrational beliefs by the illiterate - already considered an 'elitist' view here! Only in a great and generous democracy can the mentally challenged attain positions of great power and influence. Hopefully we will not go the way of Animal Farm...

    Quoting GDB (Reply 8):
    They are really the worst kind of image for you.

    Isn't it actually kind of charming? Science and Rationality can be a form of Totalitarianism - Logic can crush human emotions and desires. After all the Nazis and Communists were big believers in the power of rational thinking (Eugenics, Marxism).

    All the idiotic stuff you see in the US (New Ageism, Homeopathy, etc) are actually secret weapons against the tyranny of industrialization and having to run faster and faster to keep in place...

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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 2:46 am

    Oh, the rot set in after Cliff left the Shadows.

    But when does accepting diversity spill over into destroying education? Another issue you've had directly in schools.
    We don't now accept teaching the young to be racist, so why give all this BS a pass, children grow out of believing in Santa Claus.

    I don't see it as an issue of tolerance, these sorts of beliefs are worldwide, but in Western Societies, (except one), they are a very small minority who are, and should be, free to have these.
    However, to build all those museums, needs lots of cash and at least some political influence, does that not worry you?

    They never used to, this is a new age of irrational ism, how much more wealth and power will they get before it has a very serious effect on the US, economically, internationally, scientifically, maybe even damaging the very fabric of society?
    These people are fanatics, they really are the Western Taliban, if they got the chance, they'd be as repressive, violent and dangerous.

    I do think the US as a whole, would not allow this, but who can really say for sure? I cannot compare with my nation, since the question just does not arise, and we are as tolerant of faiths as any, in real life, forget what small (and diminishing power), the Church Of England has, and it's been generally very tolerant in modern times.
    The Archbishop Of Canterbury does not think humans and Dinosaurs co-existed, if he did and said so, you'd hear the laughter across the Pond.

    In Europe, very Catholic nations like France and of course Italy, are not theocratic, quite the opposite.

    But in these cases, a powerful, rich, lobbying bunch of backward fanatics, just do not exist.

    However, until his recent demise, Falwell did sort of prove that a least a kind of Dinosaur did exist with humans, but he's gone now, to hell if you believe that sort of thing.
    I don't, but then I don't recognise the Christian based teachings I was brought up with, such as forgiveness, not passing by on the other side, being your brothers keeper, love thy neighbour, with his and others hate filled spewings.
    No, they are more like Fascists, you call Muslim extremists Islamo-Fascists, rightly IMHO, but take a look closer to home too.
    He wanted people dead of AIDS to name one.
    He wanted more suffering and death, he and they all are, very materialistic, greedy, dishonest.

    I know of one member here, who uses his faith, through his church, to involve himself in charity work for those much in need, taking real time out to realise this, spending his money to help do good, to make life the Scripture.
    I may be an Atheist, but I respect that, I may not be a pacifist, but The Quakers are very sincere and contribute much in other ways doing a lot of good, not driving their beliefs home while doing so or on condition of help.
    And we call these nuts this thread is about, Christians?
    I think not.
     
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 3:21 am

    Quoting GDB (Reply 10):
    But in these cases, a powerful, rich, lobbying bunch of backward fanatics, just do not exist.

    I agree, it's all very scary. The backward fanatics came out of the shadows on 9/11 and its time to stuff them back in the bottle, before we leap into a second Dark Age.

    I think evolutionary biology, along with DNA, lays it all out very clearly. Science has no problem with a belief in God, but has serious problems with man-made religion, and with supernatural explanations for physical phenomena.

    Unfortunately, the power of fundamentalism on people's minds is growing both West and East, and thist really pisses me off as a 21st-century citizen. Hopefully this is just a hiccup in the civilization's progress.

    Now to get back to 'Apache'...
     
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 4:46 am

    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
    What say you types?

    Some people, I swear... Guess I'm filing that under the whiskey tango foxtrot archives  Silly
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 4:51 am

    Quoting Comorin (Reply 11):
    Science has no problem with a belief in God, but has serious problems with man-made religion, and with supernatural explanations for physical phenomena.

    Even great scientists [Einstein among many others] were [are] religious people.
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 5:04 am

    That's an interesting interpretation of creation. However, some of their theories can be refuted just as easily within Christianity as well as with scientific facts. My concern is that the general public will be confuse these theories with real Christian doctrine.
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 5:22 am

    Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 13):
    Even great scientists [Einstein among many others] were [are] religious people.

    Believing in God is not the same as believing in Creationism with its inherent dismissal of science.
     
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 5:31 am

    Here's Eve getting ready to go to church on a beautiful Sunday morning. Adam's not going. He's nursing a nasty hangover. Too much apple wine at the serpent's party last night.

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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 5:52 am

    Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 16):
    Too much apple wine at the serpent's party last night.

    So Adam was a chav, drinking too much cider? Wow... I never knew!  duck 

    Quoting David L (Reply 15):
    Believing in God is not the same as believing in Creationism with its inherent dismissal of science.

     checkmark   checkmark   checkmark  I'd like to add that those "great scientists [Einstein among many others]" were smart enough to keep their religion(s) to themselves - which is exactly the capacity the money-grabbing creationists lack.
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 6:14 am

    I have to say, I liked seeing this smackdown of a bible thumper:
     
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 6:17 am

    So they say the Earth is less than 6000 years old. But the bible claims that Noah's ark occured 10 000 years ago. They are contradicting the bible.  Yeah sure These are the type of people I don't like, the kind that try to force their beliefs onto others.

    Look where the museum is:

    Quote:
    The Creation Museum opens Monday at 2800 Bullittsburg Church Road, Petersburg

    I think the bolded part describes this museum very nicely.  smirk 
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 6:21 am

    Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 19):
    So they say the Earth is less than 6000 years old. But the bible claims that Noah's ark occured 10 000 years ago. They are contradicting the bible.

    That reminded me of this site I saw a good while ago, but just remembered: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ - and they even link to Christian sites' response to their criticism, so people can get both sides view.
     
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 7:06 am

    "


    “How can evolution be compatible with Christianity?” These words, quoted in a telephone call, stung me to write. For surely, both evolution and Christianity share a picture of the world in the process of growth and change that unfolds from the first word of creation to the final word of dissolution? And yet, perhaps this involvement of Christianity with history is precisely why some find there to be a conflict. A religion that ignored the material world could leave science to its separate realm of operation. Christianity, on the other hand, is involved with the physical world — that is what incarnation is all about — and so it finds itself in an encounter with physical science.

    The tragedy of the scientific period has been that this encounter was rooted in misconception and confusion, from the start of modern science in the seventeenth century. At that time the range of allowed interpretations of scripture, whether Catholic or Protestant, had evolved into patterns of fixed authority. It was no longer the “living word” — a dynamic utterance rich in many layers of meaning — but a static catalogue of factual statements and moral rules. The way was open for the statements of science to come into conflict with those of religion, to the alarm of those whose power and prestige derived from the latter. The ensuing battles thrust a wedge between science and religion, so that science was left bereft of any moral standards, and religion (usually the loser in the battles) retreated into an increasingly irrelevant realm of private devotion. Until recently, almost the only significant protests against this trend have come from fundamentalists who wish to refight those battles on the same barren territory as before, in the forlorn hope that this time religion might win.

    Throughout this sorry history, however, one strand of thought has held on to Christianity’s original vision, and has recently found voice in the renewal movement called Creation Spirituality. It draws fully on the Genesis account of creation, when the world was declared by God to be “Very good”; but it can read also a deeper meaning, in recognising that the time of the Genesis account is not a physical chronology. Rather, it is like what the indigenous Australian peoples call the Dream Time: that eternal order that permeates and underpins consensual reality, being its source and its end. The creation events, both physical and moral, are not separated from us in a closed chapter of prehistory, but are still being unfolded here and now.

    Modern science concurs, in seeing that the act of creation was not restricted to a first moment. It could not be if, as we now speculate, those stages of the universe from which space and time spring were themselves devoid of any sense of time. Nor was creation confined to some early epoch, because, in the unpredictable world of quantum physics, new and unimagined forms are constantly arising. The potentiality for the new, like the Dream time, is always with us.

    So the perspective of creation spirituality joins with the revelation of science in showing the creative fruitfulness of Genesis as still operative within the material world in the course of evolution. It shows God’s commission to Eve and Adam as our invitation to participate in that creative transformation of matter, and it revels humanity’s primary sin to be our abuse of this invitation. This constitutes the central teaching regarding evolution to twentieth century humanity: that in a few short decades we are trashing a world on which God has lavished 15 billion years of preparation."


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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 7:13 am

    Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 21):

    Do tell, is the copyright on those essays you post every now and then actually waived?
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 7:29 am

    Quoting Aloges (Reply 22):
    Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 21):


    Do tell, is the copyright on those essays you post every now and then actually waived?

    And, TACAA320, could you also sum up your view in a few sentences so we don't have to read someone else's document to try to work out whether you agree or disagree? It would save a lot of time.
     
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 7:34 am

    Is that dinosaur tenderly licking Baby Jesus wrapped in swaddling clothes?

    Praise!
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    BTW, you can't swing a dead cat in Kentucky without finding other glorious attractions:

     
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 7:47 am

    Wow.  eyepopping  This place is within 40 miles from me, so I'll have to visit this museum. I wonder if they allow to take pictures inside.  scratchchin  Does anyone know how many visitors it gets?
     
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 7:52 am

    Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 19):
    But the bible claims that Noah's ark occured 10 000 years ago.

    ...where does it "claim" that?
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 7:53 am

    Quoting OlegShv (Reply 25):
    Does anyone know how many visitors it gets?

    Including omnipresents?  duck 
     
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 8:02 am

    Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 19):
    But the bible claims that Noah's ark occured 10 000 years ago.

    Claims?
    Where?
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 8:05 am

    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
    # All species of creatures, past or present, were herbivorous at one point.

    So then they **evolved** into being carnivorous? ...oops.

    Quoting Comorin (Reply 9):
    Only in a great and generous democracy can the mentally challenged attain positions of great power and influence.

    We do however need to at some point realize when positions of influence are occupied by those who can't perform the duty, so to speak.

    Quoting GDB (Reply 10):

    But when does accepting diversity spill over into destroying education?

    When you allow it to take precedence in your own beliefs. Acceptance and tolerance are (or should be) the pillars of our society, but just because we tolerate someone's beliefs or lifestyle doesn't mean we have to listen to them. This goes multiple ways, for example, the KKK: I believe they have every right to believe whatever they want to believe, and to say what they want to say, and to influence those who wish to be influenced by them. I believe the same for PETA, and for the NRA, and for the ELF, ALF, and the Republican party  Wink , but dont for a second assume that I don't think they're all nutjobs. Its about tolerance, not agreement.
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 8:15 am

    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 26):
    where does it "claim" that?



    Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 28):
    Claims?
    Where?

    I've never read the bible but part of my family is Christian and that's what they told me when I was younger. Since I was young(er) I beleived it....though I don't any more.

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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 8:23 am

    Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 28):
    Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 19):
    But the bible claims that Noah's ark occured 10 000 years ago.

    Claims?
    Where?

    I have to admit that, although I certainly haven't read it from cover to cover, I'm not sure that can be right. Otherwise some guy (sorry, no idea who it was) couldn't have used the Bible to "work out" that the Earth was 6,000 years old. Either way, 6,000 years or 10,000 years, that just isn't even close to reality.

    Edit: Could you be thinking of scientific evidence of flooding due to the end of an ice-age about 10,000 years ago, which roughly coincides with folklore from around the world at that time?

    [Edited 2007-05-27 01:25:49]
     
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 8:31 am

    Quoting David L (Reply 27):
    Including omnipresents?

     rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

    Actually, I'd like to see if they have something like a guestbook or a visitor feedback book. I'd love to leave them a note.  Wink
     
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 8:33 am

    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
    Noah's flood carved out the Grand Canyon in a matter of days, using Mt. St.Helens as evidence

    Amazing flood just to gouge out the grand canyon in all of the western states, and from the eastern mediterranean as well.

    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
    Dinosaurs and humans existed concurrently

    Not quite a dinosaur, but the coelocanth is a fish that's been around since before the dinosaurs, apparently.
    http://www.dinofish.com/

    Quoting Johnboy (Reply 24):
    Is that dinosaur tenderly licking Baby Jesus wrapped in swaddling clothes?

    No, it's a pesky golf course dinosaur picking up a squashed golf ball after Sabre Toothed Tiger Woods hit it with his club. Obviously a much smaller dinosaur in reality.
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 8:59 am

    Quoting Oly720man (Reply 34):
    and from the eastern mediterranean as well.

    To be fair, the account of the flood in the Bible is only from the point of view of the people in that region. Other regions have their own versions of great floods "a few thousand years ago". A lot of them seem to tie in approximately with estimates of the end of an ice-age. It's evidence of worldwide flooding but not much else.
     
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 9:04 am

    Quoting OlegShv (Reply 25):
    Does anyone know how many visitors it gets?

    "Mark Looy, a founder of Answers in Genesis with its president, Ken Ham, said the ministry expected perhaps 250,000 visitors during the museum’s first year."

    Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 30):
    I've never read the bible but part of my family is Christian and that's what they told me when I was younger.

    ...figures  Yeah sure
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 9:15 am

    ....wait a minute, I just saw something in this article that makes absolutely no sense (even relative to the subject at hand).



    Check out this picture:


    ...now look at the number of toes on those "horses".
    It's not a modern horse, but its evolutionary ancestor-- Merychippus.

    Um, WTF are displays of those doing in a Creationism museum?

    [Edited 2007-05-27 02:15:57]
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 1:19 pm

    "
    The Creation Museum actually stands the natural history museum on its head. Natural history museums developed out of the Enlightenment: encyclopedic collections of natural objects were made subject to ever more searching forms of inquiry and organization. The natural history museum gave order to the natural world, taming its seeming chaos with the principles of human reason. And Darwin’s theory — which gave life a compelling order in time as well as space — became central to its purpose. Put on display was the prehistory of civilization, seeming to allude not just to the evolution of species but also cultures (which is why “primitive” cultures were long part of its domain). The natural history museum is a hall of human origins.

    "

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/ar...=1180239086-R9WE8x11oLAwkgX188Ej6Q

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/museum/about.asp

    http://www.creationmuseum.org/
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 1:26 pm

    Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 2):
    We could all go to the "museum" to criticize the exhibits and ask the the employees stupid questions.

    If you want to avoid the entrance fee and transportation to KY, you can also address [or call toll free] such "stupid questions" to:

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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 1:31 pm

    Quoting Oly720man (Reply 33):
    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
    Dinosaurs and humans existed concurrently

    Not quite a dinosaur, but the coelocanth is a fish that's been around since before the dinosaurs, apparently

    Acc. to my late father, who was vertebraerian palaeontolgist, dinosaurs are still with us: The birds

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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 1:31 pm

    Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 19):
    So they say the Earth is less than 6000 years old. But the bible claims that Noah's ark occured[sic] 10 000 years ago. They are contradicting the bible.



    Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 30):

    I've never read the bible but part of my family is Christian and that's what they told me when I was younger.



    Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 30):
    Since I was young(er) I beleived[sic] it....though I don't any more.

    Then the contradiction is NOT in the H. Bible. Is between your posts 19 and 30.
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 1:54 pm

    Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 39):
    dinosaurs are still with us: The birds



    Can you elaborate that a little bit. Thanks.

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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 3:04 pm

    Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 41):
    Can you elaborate that a little bit.

    ...most commonly-accepted theory is that offshoots of the avian-hipped dinosaurs went on to evolve into the birds we know today.
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 3:59 pm

    Actually many palaeontologists nowadays look closely at the behaviour of recent non-flying birds, like the ostrich or the emu to understand the behaviour of the smaller, bird hipped dinosaurs, especially after remains of nesting colonies and traces of herds have been found. There are also lots of similarities in bone structure of both birds and bird-hipped dinosaurs.

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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 10:07 pm

    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 42):
    most commonly-accepted theory is that offshoots of the avian-hipped dinosaurs went on to evolve into the birds we know today.

    I guess not scientifically proved yet [a necessary echo: "just a guess"].

    Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 43):
    Actually many palaeontologists nowadays look closely at the behaviour of recent non-flying birds, like the ostrich or the emu to understand the behaviour of the smaller, bird hipped dinosaurs, especially after remains of nesting colonies and traces of herds have been found. There are also lots of similarities in bone structure of both birds and bird-hipped dinosaurs.

    Same as above.
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 10:16 pm

    Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 38):
    If you want to avoid the entrance fee and transportation to KY, you can also address [or call toll free] such "stupid questions" to:

    No way, man. They'll either ignore the letters or answer with predetermined, Genesis-friendly answers. I want to see the employees struggle to come up with spontaneous, logical answers to questions like, "How was petrified wood made and when?"
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 10:17 pm

    Quoting David L (Reply 23):
    And, TACAA320, could you also sum up your view in a few sentences so we don't have to read someone else's document to try to work out whether you agree or disagree?

    Of course I agree. I think is more than obvious.

    Quoting Aloges (Reply 22):

    Do tell, is the copyright on those essays you post every now and then actually waived?

    Nope. The author of such "essays" is clearly stated.
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 10:24 pm

    Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 45):
    They'll either ignore the letters or answer with predetermined, Genesis-friendly answers. I want to see the employees struggle to come up with spontaneous, logical answers to questions like, "How was petrified wood made and when?"

    Then tell us your experience when asking them stupid questions. But if you allow me to give you an advice, only ask "intelligent" ones. Stupid questions only deserve stupid answers. And never underestimate others criteria [you may be defeated].


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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 10:34 pm

    Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 45):
    "How was petrified wood made and when?"

    Once again.

    Try to elaborate better questions.

    They probably have a lot of information and computers, and why not, many professionals in this field may be working there. For example: I find more than 500.000 answers to your question in less than two seconds @ Google [eg. http://www.mineralgallery.co.za/woodopal.htm ].


    I don't want to disappoint [nor offend] you, but try to plan a better strategy.
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    RE: The Museum Of Creationism

    Sun May 27, 2007 10:56 pm

    Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 44):
    I guess not scientifically proved yet [a necessary echo: "just a guess"]

    But a major difference is that the scientific community doesn't just decide what the facts are and stick to them even if new evidence contradicts them. If new evidence shows part of a theory to be wrong, then the theory is updated. Any part of a theory that's unknown or disputed is declared as such.

    Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 46):
    Of course I agree. I think is more than obvious.

    But you always just quote other people. Why won't you just state your thoughts?

    NB: Any part of this post appearing to be a threat is purely accidental.

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