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Polar Cold And Flu Outbreak In Argentina

Tue May 29, 2007 8:50 am

The country is in the grip of the worst autumnal polar cold stretch in 30 years. Except for a brief mild break early last week, most of the country has seen below average temperatures for the better part of two weeks, barring the far northern provinces. The latest polar front however is by far the worst.

Unlike with other storm fronts, there hasn't been heavy snowfall recorded in Patagonia, the Andes or central eastern Argentina (the pampas), as this polar front is "dry", but snow showers are ocurring in several major cities and many towns.

Two deaths have been comfirmed thru sunday, but temperatures have plummeted further since then, with Monday thru Wednesday being the coldest days forecast.

For those travelers heading to Argentina, flu epidemic conditions are now reported in several provinces, with the southern hemisphere season getting a very early start.

The most prevalent flu form recorded by hospitals is strain A subtype H3, which was included in this year's flu vaccine. There have been localized outbreaks of B-type flu, which is milder. Five cases of meningitis have been recorded in the country due to the cold weather, which makes people more prone to infection.

The temperature recorded in Buenos Aires downtown last night was colder than the one recorded Marambio Base, Antarctica.

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RE: Polar Cold And Flu Outbreak In Argentina

Tue May 29, 2007 8:56 am

How can it be so cold in the summertime ???
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RE: Polar Cold And Flu Outbreak In Argentina

Tue May 29, 2007 9:07 am

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RE: Polar Cold And Flu Outbreak In Argentina

Tue May 29, 2007 9:16 am

oh right. Forgot the whole reverse seasons thing applies down there. My mistake  faint 
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RE: Polar Cold And Flu Outbreak In Argentina

Tue May 29, 2007 10:43 am

Isn't polar cold something like -60 C? I doubt it's that cold in Argentina.

ANCFlyer will enlighten us, I'm sure.
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RE: Polar Cold And Flu Outbreak In Argentina

Tue May 29, 2007 11:08 am

Well this confirms my theory, argentines are good at crying!  mischievous  .

Come on, it's not THAT cold (we're experiencing the same weather here). And as AsstChiefMark said, our cold weather must be a joke for Canadians or Finns, among others.
 
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RE: Polar Cold And Flu Outbreak In Argentina

Tue May 29, 2007 11:39 am

Perhaps there was a language barrier issue at work; the 'term' polar describe the origin of the airmass. You can have cold pacific fronts too, the term is not so much about the strength of the cold but it's origin.

And it's true perhaps it's not -60, but from -3 in Buenos Aires to -15 in other areas and much colder in the south, it's not like people from 'the north' will be wearing shorts either.

This hurts the economy because there's no extra energy to tap, as it is right now Argentina is sucking in energy from Uruguay, Brazil, Bolivia, Paraguay, Venezuela and Chile (by cutting exports to them).
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RE: Polar Cold And Flu Outbreak In Argentina

Tue May 29, 2007 11:54 am

Quoting Derico (Reply 6):
This hurts the economy because there's no extra energy to tap, as it is right now Argentina is sucking in energy from Uruguay, Brazil, Bolivia, Paraguay, Venezuela and Chile (by cutting exports to them).

Indeed, Argentine gas exports to Chile have been halted completely today. Add to this the fact that at least in Santiago it hasn't rained since march, so we're not receiving gas nor getting water to produce electricity. And Mme. Bachelet doesn't want to go nuclear. Things are getting bad.
 
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RE: Polar Cold And Flu Outbreak In Argentina

Tue May 29, 2007 12:32 pm

Quoting Lan_Fanatic (Reply 7):
Indeed, Argentine gas exports to Chile have been halted completely today. Add to this the fact that at least in Santiago it hasn't rained since march, so we're not receiving gas nor getting water to produce electricity. And Mme. Bachelet doesn't want to go nuclear. Things are getting bad.

At least she's trying (yes, she can't even DO it) to finish up that Gas Plant in Peñalolén.

Quoting Lan_Fanatic (Reply 5):
Well this confirms my theory, argentines are good at crying! .

Come on, it's not THAT cold (we're experiencing the same weather here). And as AsstChiefMark said, our cold weather must be a joke for Canadians or Finns, among others.

Let me remind you, Lan_Fanatic, that Buenos Aires has a key ingredient to the mix of temperature -- that's humidity/moisture.

Today, Buenos Aires registered the lowest temperarture in 2007 at 6.40am:
Temp: 1.2°C (-3.0°C in suburban areas)
Felt like: -3.8°C (-6.0°C in suburban areas)
Wind: From S at 11km/h

I guess we need to know the facts before you Argentines are good at 'crying'.  Yeah sure If you don't believe me you can try checking out with your copatriot RJ_Delta, who was here with me last March/April.

Derico, I myself have been a victim of the Flu outbreak -- and man I can tell you, it was my worse ever. I got to around 38.9°C. Unfortunately it was viral so I only had to wait and use Ibuprofene to kill the pain and temperature.

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RE: Polar Cold And Flu Outbreak In Argentina

Tue May 29, 2007 12:55 pm

Quoting Lan_Fanatic (Reply 7):
Indeed, Argentine gas exports to Chile have been halted completely today. Add to this the fact that at least in Santiago it hasn't rained since march, so we're not receiving gas nor getting water to produce electricity. And Mme. Bachelet doesn't want to go nuclear. Things are getting bad.

On the news it was just announced that all exports are to be halted till Wednesday (of course not for home heating).

Of course I don't need to say that I find this measure 'bananera', but what can you do, the achilles heel of the current economic policy in Argentina is that it does not encourage investment in energy, not until prices reach international levels again, which will take some more time (but actually it's slowly happening through price hikes and inflation).

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 8):
Derico, I myself have been a victim of the Flu outbreak -- and man I can tell you, it was my worse ever. I got to around 38.9°C. Unfortunately it was viral so I only had to wait and use Ibuprofene to kill the pain and temperature.

Yeah, I have not been sick in a long time. I don't know why, I guess my immunity system is at it's peak. But my aunt has cancer and she had to be hospitalized because the medicine she was on made her lose appetite and she has lost like 15-20 kilos, and was very weak and got sick real easy. We are hoping she will recover, and she is on radiation now too.
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RE: Polar Cold And Flu Outbreak In Argentina

Tue May 29, 2007 1:07 pm

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 8):
At least she's trying (yes, she can't even DO it) to finish up that Gas Plant in Peñalolén

The thing is that this plant will inject propane gas to the residential pipes in eastern Santiago, and nothing else. The big problem is electricity generation, especially in the mining north which is the area that consumes most of electricity in the country, and there the system relies solely on natural gas and has now switched to diesel and coal, which are more expensive and pollute much more.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 8):
I guess we need to know the facts before you Argentines are good at 'crying'. Yeah sure If you don't believe me you can try checking out with your copatriot RJ_Delta, who was here with me last March/April.

Come on, I was just joking. Can't I have a laugh at my favourite neighbours as brits do with the french, the french to the germans and the germans to the italians?

And I went to Buenos Aires too, last week of march. Pretty humid, and it rained almost during my entire stay.

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RE: Polar Cold And Flu Outbreak In Argentina

Tue May 29, 2007 1:16 pm

Quoting Lan_Fanatic (Reply 10):
The thing is that this plant will inject propane gas to the residential pipes in eastern Santiago, and nothing else. The big problem is electricity generation, especially in the mining north which is the area that consumes most of electricity in the country, and there the system relies solely on natural gas and has now switched to diesel and coal, which are more expensive and pollute much more.

I read in some magazine somewhere that starting a nuclear program from scratch today (2007), as in the case of Chile, is an extraordinarily expensive proposition for a country. Even with Chile's copper inflows, has a price tag been estimated in at some point Chile goes that route?

In fact, the life expectancy Embalse Nuclear EGP in Cordoba is being extended till 2010 because of the energy demands. Atucha II in Buenos Aires Province is due to be finished, and a brand new nuclear power plant is in the works. Each will demand several billion U$S, and Argentina has a very good and well known nuclear capability. How much would it cost to start research and development from the point no real prior experience?
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RE: Polar Cold And Flu Outbreak In Argentina

Tue May 29, 2007 1:36 pm

Quoting Derico (Reply 11):
How much would it cost to start research and development from the point no real prior experience?

You got me on that one. I have no idea. I only know that France began lobbying earlier this year in order to sell us their know-how on nuclear electricity generation.

All the other energetic possibilities have been problematic. There are plans to build a hydroelectric plant in Aisén, but enviromentalists and lot of congressmen have been blocking this possibility. On the other hand, the construction of the regasification plant that is being built in Quintero, Valparaiso region, is late in almost 2 years.

I, as a common citizen who doesn't know too much, see the nuclear energy as the only choice. Solar and eolic power could be used, the first in the north and the latter in the south, but they certainly won't be able to feed the mining industry.Plus I guess it is quite expensive, as only supra-rich countries use them as an alternative source of energy.The overseas gas importing will keep our dependence from other countries. And Bachelet's government has stated that it will not promote the use of nuclear energy during their mandate. They only stated that they will give funds for preliminary investigations on geothermic, solar and eolic electricity generation. Difficult times ahead.

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RE: Polar Cold And Flu Outbreak In Argentina

Wed May 30, 2007 2:40 pm

Quoting Lan_Fanatic (Reply 12):
You got me on that one. I have no idea. I only know that France began lobbying earlier this year in order to sell us their know-how on nuclear electricity generation.

Oh I see I did not know that. Perhaps Chile could be an example of where nuclear power might be an interesting alternative. Since the country doesn't have many large rivers, and like you said other alternatives are rather expensive, a nuclear facility might make sense. Specially since perhaps only one well built nuclear plant, or maybe two, would be enough for Chile's needs at least in the medium term.

Anyways, 15 dead now from the cold (8 of them burned to death because of malfuctioning heaters).
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