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White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:29 pm

Thought I'd share this. Anyone else find it disturbing?

Bill O’Reilly: The White, Christian, male power structure is in jeopardy…
By: John Amato @ 1:15 PM - PDT

Bill O'Reilly and John McCain both agree. Their power structure is in peril. Help us! McCain is very proud of this exchange since he posted it on his website. Pat Buchanan's a prophet for BillO.

Bill O'Reilly: But do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far-left want? They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you're a part, and so am I, and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have. In that regard, Pat Buchanan is right. So I say you've got to cap with a number.

John McCain: In America today we've got a very strong economy and low unemployment, so we need addition farm workers, including by the way agriculture, but there may come a time where we have an economic downturn, and we don't need so many.

O'Reilly: But in this bill, you guys have got to cap it. Because estimation is 12 million, there may be 20 [million]. You don't know, I don't know. We've got to cap it.

McCain: We do, we do. I agree with you

I don't know if Bill O'Reilly realizes it, but he just vocalized exactly the true platform for the Republican party and their mouthpiece, FoxNews. They are absolutely terrified of "The Other" not just being in charge, but of being of equal status. Thom Hartmann referred to this excellent diary at DU on how these guys actively try to silence women activists.


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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:41 pm

Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
Bill O'Reilly: But do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far-left want? They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you're a part, and so am I,

Ha...Bill O'Reilly actually admits he's a white Christian male afraid of change. Love it...
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:46 pm

I think there are two distinct issues at play here. evidently, many folks have a hard time differentiating the two.

1. Is to extend equal opportunities of wealth, power, and success too all. I think that's only fair. I don't like 'cronyism' or 'glass ceilings' or the 'good ol' boy' network any more than you do. The concept of "but that's how we've always done it" is long overdue for the scrap heap.

2. On the other hand, stripping wealth, power, and status from the WASP group SIMPLY BECAUSE they are WASP's, ostensibly to re-allocate it to so-called "minorities", how is that any less racist than the minorities themselves are crying?

It's always amazing how those who scream 'racist' and 'discrimination' are always the first ones to become its practitioners the moment they find themselves in any sort of authority position.
 
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:30 am

Quoting Matt D (Reply 2):
2. On the other hand, stripping wealth, power, and status from the WASP group SIMPLY BECAUSE they are WASP's, ostensibly to re-allocate it to so-called "minorities", how is that any less racist than the minorities themselves are crying?

Quit your usual "white man whining."

Its not an issue of being WASP or not.

Its an issue of being rich. Progressive taxation doesn't see race, gender or ethnicity.

The last time I checked, the taxation level for Oprah Winfrey wasn't lower than Bill Gates because she's black.

It's pathetic that people like O'Reilly and Buchanan can twist people's minds on racial grounds, but then what do you expect? If you're any example, it seems to work.

I don't know where you've been living, but in this country today, East Indians and Jews are the two wealthiest racial/ethnic groups, with per capita wealth far greater than whites. While WASPs still hold the most wealth in this country based on the fact that they were here first and that they created most of this nation's institutions and because they are the largest racial group in the country, the face of wealth in this country is changing. Those immigrant groups who assimilate into so-called WASP institutions and have the confidence to play by the same rules and challenge any racial or cultural roadblocks get ahead. And this is the reason why immigrants of all colors and creeds have flocked to the United States - because if you work hard, if you have the talent and the drive, you can be No. 1 at your game.

What men like O'Reilly and Buchanan hate is when people of color, immigrants of color become successful enough to gain full access to those WASP insitutions that they believe they and they alone have a right to - Harvard and its ilk, Wall Street and its orbit of financial institutions, and Capitol Hill. These men are incensed that the majority of students at Harvard are now Asian or Jewish, that the top echelons of US financial institutions are now being staffed by men and women of Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern, Latin and black descent.

Just recently, and right after the VATech tragedy, that paragon of racism, Buchanan went off on a screed on how the killer was of Korean descent, part of the million+ Korean Americans and Korean immigrants living in this country, who he believes can NEVER assimilate and will always hate "us." By "us," Buchanan meant white Americans. All I can say is that Buchanan has clearly never met a Korean American valley girl or the over 200,000 Americans of mixed Korean-white ancestry in this country, or has never visited a top American university of late (in part, because top American universities don't invite nasty racist a-holes to give speeches).

All I can say is that those WASP institutions and concepts that made America great are in no danger of dying out because they are now not merely WASP institutions, but full-blown American institutions, and will be managed by the multi-racial talent that is America today. The fact that these institutions can adjust and embrace people of all racial and ethnic backgrounds is a full blown testament to their resilience and their guaranteed success.

What will die out are men like Buchanan and O'Reilly, bitter and hateful relics of a past long gone.
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:33 am

Quoting Matt D (Reply 2):
On the other hand, stripping wealth, power, and status from the WASP group SIMPLY BECAUSE they are WASP's, ostensibly to re-allocate it to so-called "minorities", how is that any less racist than the minorities themselves are crying?

But - to cling to the power they have solely because they are afraid of the so-called "minorities" - that's wrong. Why shouldn't blacks and Hispanics and women and Muslims be in situations of wealth and power? Are they somehow inferior? Are white, Christian males the only people who are worthy of wealth, power and status?

This ties in with your point #1. I don't think anybody's saying that good white Christian males should be stripped of their power. But you know that there are a lot of white Christian men who are powerful only because of their belonging to the club and networking with the good ol' boys. There are many people who don't fall into that category who would be excellent leaders. People should be judged and should have opportunities based on their merit, not their gender, not their skin colour, not their religion.
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:40 am

Every time I hear O'Reilly, I can't but help think of his sexual harassment scandal a few years ago...What a fu**king hypocrite, to put it mildly. He is in no position to preach to the American people.
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:42 am

Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
I don't know if Bill O'Reilly realizes it, but he just vocalized exactly the true platform for the Republican party and their mouthpiece, FoxNews.

I would say that they certainly speak for a significant faction within the GOP and their mouthpiece, Faux News.

That having been said, I don't think that McCain has a racist bone in his body.

But the man has also lost any sense of shame and guts since he began his quest for the WH.

He had the perfect opportunity to tell O'Reilly that he's a giant turd, but instead, he waffled and pretended to agree with him in order to ingratiate himself with O'Reilly's viewers, who are overwhelmingly white, male, republican and nutsoid conservative.
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:59 am

The White, Christian, male power structure is in jeopardy…

I don't think so.

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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:17 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 5):
Every time I hear O'Reilly, I can't but help think of his sexual harassment scandal a few years ago...What a fu**king hypocrite, to put it mildly. He is in no position to preach to the American people.

Was anything ever proved?

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 3):
What men like O'Reilly and Buchanan hate is when people of color, immigrants of color become successful enough to gain full access to those WASP insitutions that they believe they and they alone have a right to

Can this be proved with quotes or are you guessing?
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:29 am

Was anything ever proved?

It was settled out of court...Also, that Bill Orally can't tell the difference between a falafel and a loofah.
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 3):
What men like O'Reilly and Buchanan hate is when people of color, immigrants of color become successful enough to gain full access to those WASP insitutions

Negative! You are completely misrepresenting the issue.

They (and I) have not trouble whatsoever with someone who someone who works to gain access to those institution. There are millions of immigrant americans who came into the country legally (from South America, Africa, wherever), integrated into the culture, and made a success of their lives here. We have no problem whatsoever with such people. They have earned everything they made.

What we are against is ignoring or even rewarding people who have PROVEN that they don't care about the law.

Right now, I am putting together financing to buy a house in Kentucky. I planned of putting half the price down in cash and financing the rest. But so far no lender has offered to give me a mortgage!

The problem is that I have no credit history. I've lived overseas for the past 20 years. So even though I've shown them that I have money, that I have a clean police record both in the US and internationally, that I've shown them records of the past rents and mortgages that I've paid internationally over the years, on time, they are still suspicious.

Now I can understand that. The US has this credit score system and that's that, and I'll find a way to satisfy the requirements somehow. That doesn't bother me, but meanwhile, Former illegal immigrants, now legalized, can get mortgages in spite of poor credit histories. They have a PROVEN record of being willing to break the law if it benefits them financially (i.e. crossing the border illegally), but are more trustworthy than me?

THAT is the kind of BS that sticks in our craw. These illegals are criminals, and they should be treated as such.
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:53 am

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 7):
I don't think so.

LOL. I actually laughed when seeing the title of that thread next to the photo!

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 8):
Was anything ever proved?

O'Reilly settling, most likely for millions, tells us everything we need to know. The fact that he settled so quickly also means that it was likely that tapes of his conversations most likely existed...Obviously, if those had been released he would have a lot of explaining to do....
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:22 am

Quoting Matt D (Reply 2):
the 'good ol' boy' network

I personally love it. If you're too stupid to network and build connections, shame on you. You deserve a crappy job and life.

Quoting Matt D (Reply 2):
how is that any less racist than the minorities themselves are crying?

Exactlty

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 3):
bitter and hateful relics of a past long gone

Well I personally agree with much of what they say and unlike alot of people on a.net, I dont keep my mouth shut. The ideals will live on. I am living proof.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 5):
What a fu**king hypocrite, to put it mildly. He is in no position to preach to the American people.

But Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Hillary Clinton and many others are? I rest my case.


To put it bluntly, people who make the news are people who stir the pot. They affect emotions one way or the other...this is the best way to get ratings. Good people who have great intentions rarely make the news. (I used to work for Westwood One, one of the largest news/communication companies)


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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:06 pm

They got Imus a washed up WASP fairly liberal now they are going after Oreilly, a witch hunt of false indignation to quell any dissent from the left or right. To qoute that great human being Joseph Stalin before he lined them up in front of a wall. "They are not politically correct"
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:21 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 5):
I can't but help think of his sexual harassment scandal a few years ago...What a fu**king hypocrite, to put it mildly. He is in no position to preach to the American people.



Quoting RJpieces (Reply 11):
O'Reilly settling, most likely for millions, tells us everything we need to know. The fact that he settled so quickly also means that it was likely that tapes of his conversations most likely existed...Obviously, if those had been released he would have a lot of explaining to do....

 rotfl 

I love it how liberals like you are always preaching for criminal rights, taking the side of the accused over the victim, not convinced anyone's guilty until proven so, but when it comes to influential conservatives or anybody else that doesn't squeeze into your whiny little agenda, that all goes straight the hell out the door.

Hilarious yet sad at the same time. I mean, talk about a hypocrite. Guilty or not, O'Reilly would've been screwed had the scandal lasted longer and gone to court. If I were in his position and I happened to be innocent in a similar case, I'd settle quickly anyway to avoid all the bullshit.

I'm not sucking up to Billo though, there's a good chance he screwed the pooch. Despite raising good points on several issues, he's a blowhard, and not to be taken seriously.




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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:01 pm

Quoting ATCT (Reply 12):
I personally love it. If you're too stupid to network and build connections, shame on you. You deserve a crappy job and life.

The irony in that statement is pretty hilarious, specifically in regards to the topic at hand. I wonder if you were part of another race you would feel the same way.

Quoting ATCT (Reply 12):
Well I personally agree with much of what they say and unlike alot of people on a.net, I dont keep my mouth shut. The ideals will live on. I am living proof.

With due respect, your post is proof that ignorance is still alive in America.

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 14):
I love it how liberals like you

Ummmm I don't want to speak for him, but I'm pretty sure RJpieces is no liberal. So where does that leave your rant??

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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:06 pm

Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
Bill O'Reilly: But do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far-left want? They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you're a part, and so am I, and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have. In that regard, Pat Buchanan is right. So I say you've got to cap with a number.

And in there Bill O'Rielly shows us exactly why he is such a douchebag.

Quoting Matt D (Reply 2):
2. On the other hand, stripping wealth, power, and status from the WASP group SIMPLY BECAUSE they are WASP's, ostensibly to re-allocate it to so-called "minorities", how is that any less racist than the minorities themselves are crying?

No, but saying there is some kind of conspiracy is completely unfounded. Immigrants and their children who grow up here just want to be able to compete, which I personally feel that the playing feild should be leveled...for EVERYONE.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 3):
What men like O'Reilly and Buchanan hate is when people of color, immigrants of color become successful enough to gain full access to those WASP insitutions that they believe they and they alone have a right to - Harvard and its ilk, Wall Street and its orbit of financial institutions, and Capitol Hill. These men are incensed that the majority of students at Harvard are now Asian or Jewish, that the top echelons of US financial institutions are now being staffed by men and women of Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern, Latin and black descent.

EXACTLY  checkmark 

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 10):
That doesn't bother me, but meanwhile, Former illegal immigrants, now legalized, can get mortgages in spite of poor credit histories. They have a PROVEN record of being willing to break the law if it benefits them financially (i.e. crossing the border illegally), but are more trustworthy than me?

Well I think thats more unscrupulous companies trying to make a buck off of vulnerable people, more than qualifications.

Quoting ATCT (Reply 12):
I personally love it. If you're too stupid to network and build connections, shame on you. You deserve a crappy job and life.

 redflag  "Good-ol boy" is not networking. Networking is what any hard working person has to do to get ahead. The "Good 'ol boy" gets to positions in life because his daddy and daddy's daddy are rich and powerful. It's something that immigrants who become sucessful do not have.

Quoting ATCT (Reply 12):
Well I personally agree with much of what they say and unlike alot of people on a.net, I dont keep my mouth shut. The ideals will live on. I am living proof.

So then you can't stand it when immigrants (even the legal ones) come into the country and become sucessful and make a positive contribution to American society and the economy? Get over yourself.

O'Reilly, Buchanan, and their like are part of the reason why I feel Republicans have so much trouble attracting minorities and immigrants. As long as dickheads like them spew their crap, change will be hard. Everybody who lives and enters this country (legally) works hard to make their wealth (if they want to), and nobody should take wealth away or deny it to others based on entitlement. Shame on O'Reilly.
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:13 pm

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 15):
Ummmm I don't want to speak for him, but I'm pretty sure RJpieces is no liberal. So where does that leave your rant??

Well if he isn't - I offer my apology, but the point still stands about liberal hypocrisy.

And it was hardly a rant. Apparently you've never seen what a real internet rant is.  Smile




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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:16 pm

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 17):

lol, true my bad.  Wink. Gotta love the internets.

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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:01 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 10):
THAT is the kind of BS that sticks in our craw. These illegals are criminals, and they should be treated as such.

That's why it's positively puzzling that the Bush white house and a slew of members of Congress want them all to get a free pass. Oh wait, it's because Wall Street ultimately benefits, not Joe Middle Class. I keep having to remind myself of that in the face of the insurmountable bullsh*t.
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:26 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 7):
I don't think so.

Good Lord, is McCain flexing in that photo?!?

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 17):
liberal hypocrisy.

God, I just LOVE it. I am going to start throwing around buzzwords and passing it off as legitimate debate, its so much fun!
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:41 am

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 17):
Well if he isn't - I offer my apology, but the point still stands about liberal hypocrisy.

Last I checked, it was BUSH that brought forward the idea of legalizing the illegals. Sorry, you can't blame "liberals" on this one.
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:07 am

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 20):
God, I just LOVE it. I am going to start throwing around buzzwords and passing it off as legitimate debate, its so much fun!

Please, by all means, do so. If that's the best you can do at challenging a point, of course.

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 21):
Last I checked, it was BUSH that brought forward the idea of legalizing the illegals. Sorry, you can't blame "liberals" on this one.

And please show me where I blamed them?

I don't blame liberals, I blame EVERYONE, be they liberal or conservative, that has been in charge of our government for the past few decades for not stopping this problem in the first place, and failing to fix it thus far, and you can be damn sure that I blame Bush as well.




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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:13 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 10):
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 3):
What men like O'Reilly and Buchanan hate is when people of color, immigrants of color become successful enough to gain full access to those WASP insitutions

Negative! You are completely misrepresenting the issue.

They (and I) have not trouble whatsoever with someone who someone who works to gain access to those institution. There are millions of immigrant americans who came into the country legally (from South America, Africa, wherever), integrated into the culture, and made a success of their lives here. We have no problem whatsoever with such people. They have earned everything they made.

Please, Sir, you clearly don't know Pat Buchanan.

Or else you haven't read his articles and writings, or are just living in your own GOP bubble in the Alps, a bubble in which all Republican males are paragons of virtue.

I suggest you take the time to read his views on LEGAL immigration of non-Europeans before you jump to his defense. You may be forced to eat your words.

Pat Buchanan has always been opposed to the change in the Immigration Act of 1965 because for the first time immigration was opened to non-Europeans reversing decades of systematic exclusion and restrictive immigration policies, and resulting in a new wave of immigrants from Asia. Buchanan's shameless tirades against Asian immigrants and their purported lack of assimilation (a bunch of hooey as Asian Americans by any measure are enormously successful and are fully assimilated) has made him resort to such nonsense as accusing Chinese Americans as being members of a secret global army of people with allegiance to the PRC and willing to destroy the US upon Beijing's command.

He is also a contributor to the anti-immigration (both legal and illegal) forum VDare (www.VDare.com) where he has made such statements as these after the VA Tech massacre:

Cho Seung-Hui was not an American at all, but an immigrant, an alien. Had this deranged young man who secretly hated us never come here, 32 people would heading home from Blacksburg for summer vacation.

What was Cho doing here? How did he get in?

Cho was among the 864,000 Koreans here as a result of the Immigration Act of 1965, which threw the nation's doors open to the greatest invasion in history, an invasion opposed by a majority of our people. Thirty-six million, almost all from countries whose peoples have never fully assimilated in any Western country, now live in our midst.

Cho was one of them.


A more shameless attempt to fuel his own racist exclusionary public policy objectives by somehow blaminig millions of law abiding, model citizens and recent immigrants who are of Asian descent for the act of one nutsoid kid is yet to be witnessed. I bet that even the most fiery dragon in the nearly defunct KKK couldn't come up with this racist gibberish.

Buchanan has said time and time again that he wants an America that is 90% white, with the remainder being black - the kind of world he was raised in. He has stated time and time again how much he missed the old segregated Washington DC where black people just didn't live west of 16th street and certainly not north of Rock Creek Park. Buchanan is that classic paleocon who has refused to move with the times. Yes, he may speak for thousands of white, male conservatives of his generation who share the same racist views of what it means to be an American, but that's also why he's a drag on the GOP and contributed to its loss in the 1992 presidential election.

If you still wish to embrace Buchanan as someone with whom you share beliefs, then go ahead. I wouldn't be surprised.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 10):
The problem is that I have no credit history. I've lived overseas for the past 20 years. So even though I've shown them that I have money, that I have a clean police record both in the US and internationally, that I've shown them records of the past rents and mortgages that I've paid internationally over the years, on time, they are still suspicious.

We're talking oranges, and you're out in la la land talking about papayas.

I still have to find a mortgage banker or lending organization that doesn't ask you what your legal status is. Even those individuals who are permanent residents (rather than citizens are held to a different, more probative standard).

I once had the same problem as you in not having a credit history (I had one credit card that was relatively unused and paid for everything in cash or checks). I had a hard time getting a loan inspite of having $50 K down, but I wasn't about to bitch and moan and make attenuated rubbish links that blame illegal immigrants.

Get a clue. Who gives a @#$%#$% about your housing issues in Kentucky? The topic here is the spectacle of two bigoted white men' and their hatred and fear of immigrants of color and how they may threaten their own positions of power.
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:00 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 23):
Please, Sir, you clearly don't know Pat Buchanan.

Granted, I don't know much about him and what you say about him may well be true. But I do know a lot about O'Reilly's position, and he is not nearly as far right as this, nore am I.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 23):
I still have to find a mortgage banker or lending organization that doesn't ask you what your legal status is.

I'm talking about ex-illegals who have managed to make themselves legal,whether through an amnesty, having a kid in the US, whatever.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 23):
I had a hard time getting a loan inspite of having $50 K down, but I wasn't about to bitch and moan and make attenuated rubbish links that blame illegal immigrants.

Who said I was blaming them? Like I said,

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 10):
The US has this credit score system and that's that, and I'll find a way to satisfy the requirements somehow. That doesn't bother me

My complain is that we have started giving CRIMINALS more rights than everyone else. Go ahead, ignore our laws, take advantage of our largesse, and we'll even give you benefits that we don't give our own people. Even if you have a proven track record of breaking the law if it suits you financially, we'll give you a couple hundred thousand dollars.

That's BS.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 23):
The topic here is the spectacle of two bigoted white men' and their hatred and fear of immigrants of color and how they may threaten their own positions of power.

If you would actually listen to O'Reilly on a semi-regular basis, you will know that he is not at all bigotted. Neither am I. But we want criminals to be treated like criminals.

My proposal to deal with the immigration problem:

1) Triple-layer electrified fence along the entire border
2) Guest Worker program for up to 3-400K per year.
3) Guest workers who keep clean criminal records for X years may apply for citizenship.
4) In addition, the standard immigration process will also remain in place.
4) Those in the country illegally may never, EVER apply for citizenship. Their children will not be recognized as American - they will be Mexican or whatever (just like about every other country does). They cannot get welfare, their children may not go to publicly funded schools or anything else. If you don't like it, leave.
5) An illegal shows up at a hospital, we will treat them for emergencies, and when they are well enough, they would be released into the custody of the INS.

That would fix the immigration problem. But no-one's got the balls to do it.
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:03 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 24):
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 23):
Please, Sir, you clearly don't know Pat Buchanan.

Granted, I don't know much about him and what you say about him may well be true. But I do know a lot about O'Reilly's position, and he is not nearly as far right as this, nore am I.

Well, I don't know about O'Reilly, but I'm pretty sure that you aren't on the Buchanan fringe, which is why I was surprised that you seemed to be embracing his views.

I think that O"Reilly is just a charlatan who will say and do anything for ratings. Buchanan is the real crazy.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 24):
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 10):
The US has this credit score system and that's that, and I'll find a way to satisfy the requirements somehow. That doesn't bother me

My complain is that we have started giving CRIMINALS more rights than everyone else. Go ahead, ignore our laws, take advantage of our largesse, and we'll even give you benefits that we don't give our own people. Even if you have a proven track record of breaking the law if it suits you financially, we'll give you a couple hundred thousand dollars.

I'm sorry, but what are these rights that we are giving criminals that we don't give our own people?

Illegals can't get bank loans or credit cards (except through fraud or from crooked usurers who charge them interest rates that defy the imagination), and they certainly can't qualify for mortgages. I'm sure there exists one illegal out there who like the proverbial Cadillac welfare queen is out living in a McMansion, but I'm pretty sure he's a multimillionaire through other means (some of those Saudi princes, for instance, think that expired visas are just a piece of paper).

And while we can all debate ad nauseum on how to deal with the issue of illegal immigration, the issue presented here isn't that. This thread is about two men who believe that the "white, Christian, male power structure in America" is under threat. Threatened by whom I ask? Illegal Mexicans? Unless, these illegals are all about to get 1600s on their SATs and go to Harvard or Stanford en masse, or develop software companies that go public, I can't see how they're a threat to any power structure, let alone the meat packing companies that treat them like dirt.

The Buchanans of the world are afraid not so much of Mexicans who work for slave labor, but are deeply offended by the fact that the American meritocracy really is color and gender blind, and that the upper echelons of power are slowly being shared by "others" who not only have no qualms about breaking the color or gender barrier, but have the chutzpah to openly challenge and knee in the cojones those "white Christian males" like Buchanan and falafel Bill who dare to stand in their way.

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Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:37 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 3):
East Indians and Jews are the two wealthiest racial/ethnic groups, with per capita wealth far greater than whites.

That is absolutelty the most racist thing I have ever read on a.net.

I used to work at bank next to a Jewesh market years ago and most of their deposits were food stamps. As far as
"East Indians" are concerned , what are you smoking?

1. Most guest workers from the Indian subcontinent in the US are paid 30-50 K less for technology jobs that their US counterparts (With the H1B visa being pushed for increase by Intel, HP and others) since "There are no qualified workers in the US according to them).

2. Any wealth in that area has also been generated by the mass of off-shore manufacturing that Middle America relishes. I always find it ironic when a plant closes down in Middle America and the workers are all railing against their jobs going overseas, yet they are the same people flocking to Wal Mart every week.

As long as our economy and our 8.8 Trillion dollar debt are in need of help, the same people that are deriding their loss of power will continue to turn the other cheek and alllow illegals into the country as a means to drive our economy.

With over 100 Million people in this country now identifying as a minority, I am all smiles as a non-threatened white man at the horror of the xenophobes that they cannot change this country back to how it was. Our govenment has sold us all out but letting the borders remain a joke.

I am not for illegal imigration, but our country is in fact allowing it for economic reasons.

As someone who worked as an expat overseas, I must say I wish everyone in the US could get a chance to be a minority, and then see how the shoe feels on the other foot.
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:55 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 25):
Illegals can't get bank loans or credit cards (except through fraud or from crooked usurers who charge them interest rates that defy the imagination), and they certainly can't qualify for mortgages. I'm sure there exists one illegal out there who like the proverbial Cadillac welfare queen is out living in a McMansion, but I'm pretty sure he's a multimillionaire through other means (some of those Saudi princes, for instance, think that expired visas are just a piece of paper).

Once again, I am talking about legalized, formerly illegal immigrants. People who once ignored US immigration law and got away with it. They are eligible for mortgages, credit cards and everything else.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 25):
Unless, these illegals are all about to get 1600s on their SATs and go to Harvard or Stanford en masse, or develop software companies that go public, I can't see how they're a threat to any power structure

If they were getting 1600s and entering Harvard etc it would be far more acceptable. The problem is that we are importing a huge uneducated labor class who will eventually vote. And since people generally vote their pocketbooks, and such workers generally receive $3 per every $1 they pay in taxes (if they pay tax at all), they will overwhelmingly vote Democrat. Once several more million Mexicans of dubious character start to vote in the millions, the close-to-50/50 split between Republicans and Democrats will be permanently altered into essentially a 1-party system. The damage to the judicial system alone, with only democratic-nominated judges, will be an utter disaster for the Constitution and America (going on their track record of compassion and leniency towards criminals and their penchant for extremely liberal interpretations of the Constitution.

I think the Democrats want poverty in the US - as much as they can generate. The more poverty there is (from immigrants, taxing businesses and the middle and upper classes to the point that they do not invest in the future, etc), the more people will be hungry for generous government handout policies. They hide this agenda behind slogans such as equality and compassion, but that is their core agenda - to gain and consolidate power.
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:17 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 27):
The problem is that we are importing a huge uneducated labor class who will eventually vote.

Again, our economy is demanding that kind of labor, that's why these people come here - there are jobs for them. The Republican pundits with tell you that they don't want illegal immigration, but secretly they know it's the only thing keeping us from going into a recession.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 27):
Once several more million Mexicans of dubious character start to vote in the millions

Again, racist and so off the mark. If you would stop for a moment and think, these are the same minority that are deeply Catholic and conservative and would be more apt to vote for the Republicans "Family values" platform.

Also, before you claim that US citizens are so smart, maybe you should look at these dismal facts:

24th in literacy in the world
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ed...ducation-literacy-total-population

19th in math in the world for HS graduates

http://social.jrank.org/pages/944/Ho...atics-Proficiency-Comparisons.html

not to mention the contiued misinformation in this very post.

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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:33 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 27):
I think the Democrats want poverty in the US - as much as they can generate. The more poverty there is (from immigrants, taxing businesses and the middle and upper classes to the point that they do not invest in the future, etc), the more people will be hungry for generous government handout policies. They hide this agenda behind slogans such as equality and compassion, but that is their core agenda - to gain and consolidate power.

Wow.

This is really one of those "Oh my God" moments when you realize that the person with whom you're having a conversation with at a cocktail party isn't quite all there.

Well, nice talking to you dear, but I really need to freshen my drink at the bar.

Ta ta.

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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:39 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 3):
What men like O'Reilly and Buchanan hate is when people of color, immigrants of color become successful enough to gain full access to those WASP insitutions that they believe they and they alone have a right to - Harvard and its ilk, Wall Street and its orbit of financial institutions, and Capitol Hill. These men are incensed that the majority of students at Harvard are now Asian or Jewish, that the top echelons of US financial institutions are now being staffed by men and women of Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern, Latin and black descent.



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 27):
I think the Democrats want poverty in the US - as much as they can generate. The more poverty there is (from immigrants, taxing businesses and the middle and upper classes to the point that they do not invest in the future, etc), the more people will be hungry for generous government handout policies. They hide this agenda behind slogans such as equality and compassion, but that is their core agenda - to gain and consolidate power.



Quoting Jaysit (Reply 29):
Wow.

This is really one of those "Oh my God" moments when you realize that the person with whom you're having a conversation with at a cocktail party isn't quite all there.

You had one of those moments yourself in reply 3.  Yeah sure
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Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:15 am

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 26):
That is absolutelty the most racist thing I have ever read on a.net.I used to work at bank next to a Jewesh market years ago and most of their deposits were food stamps. As far as "East Indians" are concerned , what are you smoking?

How is that racist? Thats what the general consensus is on the wealthiest Ethnic groups in America are. It's not based on opinion.

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=express&s=kurlantzick052604

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Indian Americans have long had the resources to compete in politics. The nation's wealthiest ethnic group, with a median family income over $60,000, its population doubled between 1990 and 2000, to 1.7 million, and is likely to double again by 2010. They are also among the best-educated groups in the country. Yet only in the past four years has the Indian community become more politically active. The first generation of Indians to come to the U.S., in the 1960s and 1970s, was made up primarily of doctors, engineers, and other science workers--U.S. policies at the time favored immigrants with science skills--and was interested primarily in building families and earning a living.
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:28 am

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 31):
How is that racist? Thats what the general consensus is on the wealthiest Ethnic groups in America are. It's not based on opinion.

any time you equate an entire race into one balnket statement, that is faceious. there are substaincially more whites that make much more than the Indians in this country, also, jewish folks are not a Minority, they are typically causasian as well.


Just ridiculous. This kind of crap is usally propigated by the people that have no education and have an entitlement attitude "we were here first we deserve more than minorities.

Our govenment has moved us head long into the global economy, that is the reality and there is no going back.
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Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:42 am

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 32):
any time you equate an entire race into one balnket statement, that is faceious. there are substaincially more whites that make much more than the Indians in this country, also, jewish folks are not a Minority, they are typically causasian as well.

It's not a blanket statement because that is what 2000 census data shows. Yes in sheer number there are probably more whites that make more money. But you also have to remember that whites make up 75% of the population of America. Simple stats would tell us that when your numbers go up, averages (including incomes) go down. Indians number a scant 1.7 million in this country, with many professionals, although this is changing.

Racism would imply there is some kind of superiority. Jaysit was only mentioning an example of accepted data; that is not racism. I don't understand why you are crying racism when it is a fact in the last US Census. Are you a bit miffed like O'Reilly or what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_American

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According to the 2000 U.S. Census Indian Americans have the highest median income of any national origin group in the United States and Merrill Lynch recently revealed that there are nearly 200,000 Indian American millionaires. One in every nine Indians in the United States is a millionaire, comprising 10% of U.S. millionaires (Source: 2003 Merrill Lynch SA Market Study).

Since when did stating a fact become racist?
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Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:45 am

When you use meaningless statisitc to say "ALL jews are rich" "ALL indians are rich" that is a misuse of statiscs and not representative of the wealth distribution as a mean in the US.

It propagates stereotypes.


perhaps this had something to do with it?

"Indian Americans have the highest educational qualifications of all national origin groups in the United States"

The people that get to imigrate here do not move to a trailer park and work at the local Wal Mart.

when you figure in there are double the number of Indians in total than "Americans" (AKA US citizens), also, understanding that only the best and brightest get to come to the US, this is not a statistical sample which is comparable to the avgerage US citizen.

I have seen way too many Indians come to the US and get paid 20 bucks an hour for the same job a US citiizen is getting pay 50-60 bucks an hour.

As far as the Jewish thing, I notice there is no link for specifc "Jewish" income that was mentioned, because it's not true!


I have worked in Israel and I can tell you that the average Jewish Israeli is not rich by any strech. They have a 50% income tax rate among other things and prices are very high, our "quality of life" in the US is better than for 90% of Jewish Israelis
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Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:58 am

Ya'll are arguing over petty "well they make more money" issues.

Guess what, I went to college, networked, and now make almost 6 figures at the ripe young age of 21. A good friend of mine is Indian, and he graduates college, will be making around what I make. (*note: two different jobs though)

I have a friend who is Black who is a captain at a regional airline, eventually will be at a major. (In his middle 20's). I have a co-worker who's jewish who owns a very large furniture import business with his wife, he's a multi-millionare. I know of an Indian family who came to the US, bought a gas station (yea I know, Cliche' welcome to kwikimart) and now they own 10 stores. They are all booming.

Anytime you bring Race, Religion, or whatever else petty crap you want, you will always be wrong. Hard work, dedication, networking, and good ole' elbow grease will always get the job done.

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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting ATCT (Reply 35):
Ya'll are arguing over petty "well they make more money" issues.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I put myself through school with a degree I could make an income with and have done extremely well ever since.

So many people think they should be able to make 100,000 a year at any job they choose to do, but that's not how it works. We work in a global economy and if you make the wrong choices you lose.


I have 2 buddies that I went to school with that are very senior F/O's at HP and they might make 1/3 of what I do (and guess what they are Jewish, not rich, but happy for what they are doing).

I gave up on aviation becuase there is very little money in it and I was a realist.
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:46 am

Quoting ATCT (Reply 35):
White, Christian, Male

Ad "conservative" and "straight" and you'll slip right into the most disliked group on this site.  Smile



Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 36):
I gave up on aviation becuase there is very little money in it and I was a realist.

I think it's important though that we remind ourselves that money isn't everything. I know many professionals in the aviation industry as well that are underpaid yet couldn't be happier with their choices. What industry/profession are you employed in, if you don't mind me asking?




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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In Amer

Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:46 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 24):

That would fix the immigration problem. But no-one's got the balls to do it.

That's because most people in this country have compassion for their fellow human beings and don't really care if they are "legal" or "illegal". If they want to live a better life and have come to this country, we should be the shining beacon of freedom and democracy for the rest of the world that we thump our chests at all the time for.

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Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:49 am

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 38):
That's because most people in this country have compassion for their fellow human beings and don't really care if they are "legal" or "illegal". If they want to live a better life and have come texample of for the rest of the world.

 redflag 

No no, that only happens in a happy country free world. Not reality. Most people in this country care about their fellow human beings, but they also care enough about what this country has given them that they want leeches out of our blood. Unfortunately Cfalk is right, nobody has the balls to do it.



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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:10 am

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 37):
Ad "conservative" and "straight"

Oops my bad


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Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:15 am

Quoting ATCT (Reply 40):



Quoting ATCT (Reply 40):
White, Male, Christian, Conservative, and Straight (and proud of everyone)

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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:21 pm

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 38):
That's because most people in this country have compassion for their fellow human beings and don't really care if they are "legal" or "illegal".

If you think that, you are delusional.

Quote:

CBS News/New York Times Poll. May 18-23, 2007. N=1,125 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults).

"Should ILLEGAL immigrants be prosecuted and deported for being in the U.S. illegally, or shouldn't they?"

Should 69%
Should Not 24%
Unsure 7%

"When the U.S. government is deciding which immigrants to admit to this country, should priority be given to people who have family members already living in the U.S., or should priority be given to people based on education, job skills and work experience?"

FamilyMembers 34%
Education Skills 51%
It Depends 5%
Unsure 10%


As you see, most people want immigrants to follow the law and to have consequences for breaking them. And as far as choosing which immigrants, compassion is there, but what mostly drives their choice is cold, hard logic. All nations have a natural right to choose who comes into the country.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 29):
This is really one of those "Oh my God" moments when you realize that the person with whom you're having a conversation with at a cocktail party isn't quite all there.

It's a theory that happens to fit the facts. I have observed the Democratic party for a long time, and come to the conclusion that it's economic and social platform are by-and-large irrational. Intelligent people with an understanding of economics and social sciences should be able to see that. They are instead based on emotional wants and needs. Leaders like Pelosi, Hillary and Kerry are probably not idiots - they know this, and even if they did not, they have access to intelligent advisers who know it. The fact that they are continuing shows that they recognize that their compassionate platform attracts large numbers of emotionally-driven voters. It is a cynical platform.

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 28):
The Republican pundits with tell you that they don't want illegal immigration, but secretly they know it's the only thing keeping us from going into a recession.

I absolutely agree that the Republicans are listening far too much to those guys. I disagree about it leading to recession

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 28):
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 27):
Once several more million Mexicans of dubious character start to vote in the millions

Again, racist and so off the mark. If you would stop for a moment and think, these are the same minority that are deeply Catholic and conservative and would be more apt to vote for the Republicans "Family values" platform.

 redflag 

Don't go pulling the race card. I'm talking FACTS. Anyone who made a conscious decision to cross into a country illegally, defrauding the government, the people of the host country, and even the people of his native country who are waiting in line to immigrate legally and who see their turn pushed back because the US says we don't need more legals since we have so many illegals, is essentially a fraud and a thief, and thus of dubious character. They have proven to be untrustworthy. I would not hire someone like that to clean my house, because I know that if they find some money or valuables, they are very likely to steal it, if they were willing to break other laws for their own benefit.

And BTW, as far as I know Mexicans are Caucasian. Between Caucasians, Blacks and Asians, I know of no other races.

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 28):
Also, before you claim that US citizens are so smart, maybe you should look at these dismal facts:

Irrelevant. And I never said that US citizens are very smart. In fact they can often be downright ignorant.
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Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 42):
Irrelevant. And I never said that US citizens are very smart. In fact they can often be downright ignorant.

yes parts of this thread sure show that.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 42):
is essentially a fraud and a thief, and thus of dubious character

So with this logic any legal citizen that gets a DUI, a speeding ticket, a parking ticket is also of dubious character since they are breaking the law...deport them all...we will have about 20 people left in the US.

That comment is racist all day long, because you put Mexican in front of it, thereby singling out an ethnicity.
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Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:12 pm

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 43):
So with this logic any legal citizen that gets a DUI, a speeding ticket, a parking ticket is also of dubious character since they are breaking the law...deport them all...we will have about 20 people left in the US.

There is a difference in scale and intent. You don't drive drunk or speed or park illegally intentionally and with the intention of financial gain. You do those things because you suffered a lapse of judgement at best, chronic stupidity at worst.

But moving to another country, avoiding border posts and patrols, and not going through the proper channels requires intent and forethought. It's illegal, you know it, you think about it and decide to do it anyway, for financial gain. It is no different than someone who steals someone's credit card number and uses it, or, on a larger scale, Enron management lying to their employees to allow them to cash out for maximum profit.

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 43):
That comment is racist all day long, because you put Mexican in front of it, thereby singling out an ethnicity.

Mexicans constitute a grand majority of the problem, so it is hardly racist to state the fact, although I grant that I should not specify only them (and BTW, Mexicans are not a race - they are a nationality). All persons wishing to immigrate should do so properly, whether from France or French Guyana. Yes, I know it's a major pain in the ass and you have to wait (I'm going through the process of getting an immigrant visa for my wife right now). But you have to play fair, and that means playing by the rules.
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Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:36 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 44):
Mexicans constitute a grand majority of the problem, so it is hardly racist to state the fact, although I grant that I should not specify only them (and BTW, Mexicans are not a race - they are a nationality). All persons wishing to immigrate should do so properly, whether from France or French Guyana. Yes, I know it's a major pain in the ass and you have to wait (I'm going through the process of getting an immigrant visa for my wife right now). But you have to play fair, and that means playing by the rules.

I understand that they are not a race, in fact many native Mexicans are technically American Indians, they just live on the wrong side of the border.

As someone who has been a guest worker in another country, I do not advocate being in a country illegally, these people only come here because there are jobs here for them, and they can make up to 10 times more even at below minimum wage.

They are not morally reprehenisble they are just trying to take care of their families. Their motive is good their means of acheiving it is bad.
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Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:43 am

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 45):
They are not morally reprehenisble they are just trying to take care of their families. Their motive is good their means of acheiving it is bad.

Whether the ends justify the means seems to be at the heart of the debate then, and on that note I think we will agree to disagree.

And also, I might agree with you if there was mass starvation going on south of the border. If they were trying to feed their families who would otherwise starve , I would be a lot more sympathetic. But they are not starving. Illegal immigrants are looking for a BETTER life here, not just survival. In which case, what's stopping anyone from sneaking into Sweden, Denmark or any other country with generous social services and demanding to be taken care of? I'm sure the locals might be a bit upset at that.

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Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:57 am

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 34):
When you use meaningless statisitc to say "ALL jews are rich" "ALL indians are rich" that is a misuse of statiscs and not representative of the wealth distribution as a mean in the US.

Please show me where I explicitly said that all Jews and all Indians are rich.

Anyways, I think we're arguing about two different things, which in the end it isn't really that important who makes more than whom, as long as they're making a contribution to society.
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RE: White, Christain, Male Power Structure In America

Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:55 am

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 47):
Please show me where I explicitly said that all Jews and all Indians are rich.

Let me say I am terribey sorry for quoting Jaysit's post from your repsonse to him. You did not say that , he did and I am sorry for the confusion.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 3):
I don't know where you've been living, but in this country today, East Indians and Jews are the two wealthiest racial/ethnic groups,


The Jewish comment has not been backed up.

[Edited 2007-06-05 00:12:15]
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