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School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:13 am

SCHOOL 1977 vs 2007
Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1977 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2007 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.
Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
1977 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2007 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.
Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students.
1977 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the Principal. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2007 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.
Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1977 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2007 - Billy's Dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their Dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has affair with psychologist.
Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1977 - Mark shares aspirin with Principal out on the smoking dock.
2007 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.
Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.
1977 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.
2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.
Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed.
1977 - Ants die.
2007 - BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.
Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1977 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:18 am

Sadly, it's a pretty accurate reflection of today's common-sense-less society.
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:22 am

Same thing with this asshole lawyer who decided that if he wasn't expressly forbidden from travelling with a fatal and infectious lung disease that it'd be someone elses fault that he travelled and exposed dozens if not hundreds of people to his disease.

I'll bet he sues the CDC for not quarantining him early...how dare they merely ask him not to travel.

I am not happy about PI lawyers right about now.
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:23 am

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1977 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

You forgot the $250,000 lawsuit  Wink But yeh, It's all pretty accurate.
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:35 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 2):
I am not happy about PI lawyers right about now.

And his lawyer father echoing the times with claims that his son is being treated like a terrorist...  Yeah sure

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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:37 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 2):
I am not happy about PI lawyers right about now.

They are indeed one of life's lowest forms.
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:43 am

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1977 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2007 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Wow, that's sad how everything has changed in the last 30 years. But that's pretty accurate, I can see everything that you said happening.
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:49 am

Everything he has said is true, things would be a lot better if we do back to our earlier beliefs and values.
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:50 am

Quoting AllegiantAir (Reply 6):
everything has changed in the last 30 years.

Everything except for student performance Yeah sure
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:57 am

It's not accurate at all. It's some shit somebody made up. I agree it's funny, but not exactly a reflection of reality.
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:50 am

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 9):
It's not accurate at all.

Have you been living under a rock for the past ten years or what? I can easily recall instances on the news when I heard about things like this happening. Furthermore, I compare that with my dads stories throughout high school and college, and it is all very true. Sad and pathetic, but true.

However, I'd be willing to bet there are still some rural cities and counties throughout the middle belt and deep south that still "live in 1977." Thankfully.
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:02 am

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 10):
However, I'd be willing to bet there are still some rural cities and counties throughout the middle belt and deep south that still "live in 1977." Thankfully.

Well, we can't have that now can we?. We'll just have to drag them kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:14 am

Could someone explain this for me. I do not understand this.

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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:27 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 12):

It's comparing how stuff was dealt with in 1977 and now... 2007. In 1977 it was nobody's fault but your own... nowadays there is always somebody else to blame  grumpy 
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:45 am

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1977 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2007 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers

Interestingly, the 1977 scenario was still the case at my Arkansas high school when I was there in 1989. I recall many days during deer season when several guys on campus would be in their bright orange thermal overalls in class, having gone hunting in the wee hours of the morning before school.

Sadly, the 2007 scenario is now the case there as well.
 
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:11 am

Quoting DucatiRacer (Reply 14):
Interestingly, the 1977 scenario was still the case at my Arkansas high school when I was there in 1989. I recall many days during deer season when several guys on campus would be in their bright orange thermal overalls in class, having gone hunting in the wee hours of the morning before school.

Arkansas boy here too...only in Arkansas would this be accepted lol. You'd have a better chance pulling it off there than anywhere else.




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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:30 am

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1977 - Mark shares aspirin with Principal out on the smoking dock.
2007 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.
Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.

The sad thing about this is that it's true. I remember hearing about a girl who gave her inhaler to a classmate suffering from an asthma attack. She saved the kid's life.

Her reward? Expulsion for a drug violation.
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:32 am

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 13):

It's comparing how stuff was dealt with in 1977 and now... 2007. In 1977 it was nobody's fault but your own... nowadays there is always somebody else to blame

Very true. Today that is usualy the case unless you are very honest.

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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:54 am

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 10):
Quoting LHMARK (Reply 9):
It's not accurate at all.

Have you been living under a rock for the past ten years or what?

I know. I got three detentions earlier this year because heaven forbid I have a bottle of Aspirin in my locker for headaches. School tried to suspend me, but it failed, so I just got another detention.

WTF is up with school's these days?

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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:02 pm

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 10):
Have you been living under a rock for the past ten years or what? I can easily recall instances on the news when I heard about things like this happening. Furthermore, I compare that with my dads stories throughout high school and college, and it is all very true. Sad and pathetic, but true.

Yeah, you'll hear about a sensationalistic incident or two, but 200 million kids are in school everyday, and mostly it's business as usual.

The stuff in the post is made up. It just is. That's somebody extrapolating on shit. It is not a factual representation of what goes on in schools. It is a humor post.
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:41 pm

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 19):
200 million kids are in school everyday

By mention of the FBI and ACLU, it is easily assumed the post is in reference to American schools. Being so, you and I both know that 2/3 of our nation are not "kids" in school. Furthermore, while it's true business goes on as usual (normalcy), each time there is an incident mentioned above, the reactions are pretty much spot on.

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 19):
The stuff in the post is made up. It just is. That's somebody extrapolating on shit. It is not a factual representation of what goes on in schools. It is a humor post.

It is and it isn't. It's made up in the sense that it is not completely and totally factual. It's true however that there have been such incidents, and the reactions of 2007 would have been unheard of in 1977.

It only sheds humor on a sad truth regarding this nation.

[Edited 2007-06-02 09:44:38]
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:01 pm

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 9):
It's not accurate at all. It's some shit somebody made up. I agree it's funny, but not exactly a reflection of reality.

You can say that all you want but I can DAMNED well promise you this much is true:

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1977 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2007 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.
 
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:19 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 21):
You can say that all you want but I can DAMNED well promise you this much is true:

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
Scenario: Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1977 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2007 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.


Please , please provide a link that shows that the FBI was called in and students were provided with extra counselors because someone brought a gun the parking lot and didn't threaten anyone. This is pure hyperbole on both ends of the spectrum. Actually, since you are "DAMNED well promising" it show me a school board policy that states that the above will happen.
 
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:33 am

Quoting Nancy (Reply 22):
Please , please provide a link that shows that the FBI was called in and students were provided with extra counselors because someone brought a gun the parking lot and didn't threaten anyone. This is pure hyperbole on both ends of the spectrum. Actually, since you are "DAMNED well promising" it show me a school board policy that states that the above will happen.

Do you remember when that F-16 put a string of twenty mike mike through that school in New Jersey? Thankfully it was on a weekend.

But the school was very careful to have all the shot up desks removed and shrinks available by that monday.

In 1977 if a F-16 had strafed my school, my first thought would have been......COOL!
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:47 am

Quoting Nancy (Reply 22):
Please , please provide a link that shows that the FBI was called in

According to this (take it for what it's worth - considering its wikipedia) Since it's a federal crime, I imagine the FBI would have to be called in. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act

Quoting Nancy (Reply 22):
and students were provided with extra counselors

Counselors are available to students for the least little thing. Someone bringing a gun to school doesn't qualify? I'm sure one student out of however many there are would find guns so totally bad, that they would have to tell someone how they feel about it.

In my dad's day, they had target shooting classes as extra curricular activities. Students would bring them to school, and keep them in their lockers or whatever they had.

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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:58 am

I find it a very accurate (and depressing) view of today's society. I've long believed that our lives and decisions are controlled by psychologists counselors, pharmacies, lawyers and the bunch.

God forbid one actually makes a decision and takes full responsibilities of it's actions and consequences these days.
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:56 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 25):
God forbid one actually makes a decision and takes full responsibilities of it's actions and consequences these days.

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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:09 pm

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 19):
The stuff in the post is made up. It just is. That's somebody extrapolating on shit. It is not a factual representation of what goes on in schools. It is a humor post.

Look, whether or not the individual situations are 100% true is irrelevant - the overall point that it makes it very much true, and it's one of several big reasons why our school system and our kids these days are more screwed up than ever before.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 25):
God forbid one actually makes a decision and takes full responsibilities of it's actions and consequences these days.

 checkmark 

Another major repercussion of the complete fuck up known as our politically correct society - the death of personal responsibility. Nobody is responsible for what they do, it's always some disorder or misunderstanding. Nobody wants to openly say that Johnny who beat up Timmy at lunch to get his pudding is a little shit that needs his own ass kicked - instead let's drug both kids and use or make up a new disorder.



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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:19 pm

Here is an example that happened last year...

1977- One student says Merry Christmas to a teacher or student, the teacher or student replies back with the same thing.
2007- One student says Merry Christmas to the Discipline Dean, she gets a suspension and recommendation for expulsion.

or in the case of the elementary school

2007- A little Muslim, student was told Merry Christmas by another student, Muslim student says you too. Little Muslim student asks Mom about Christmas and tell her that someone said Merry Christmas to her. Mom get royally pissed off. Mom sues the school district for $5,000,000, wins, and a week later IS SEEN AT OUR CHRISTMAS PARADES CHEERING THE PEOPLE IN IT.

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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:44 pm

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 28):
Here is an example that happened last year...

1977- One student says Merry Christmas to a teacher or student, the teacher or student replies back with the same thing.
2007- One student says Merry Christmas to the Discipline Dean, she gets a suspension and recommendation for expulsion.

or in the case of the elementary school

2007- A little Muslim, student was told Merry Christmas by another student, Muslim student says you too. Little Muslim student asks Mom about Christmas and tell her that someone said Merry Christmas to her. Mom get royally pissed off. Mom sues the school district for $5,000,000, wins, and a week later IS SEEN AT OUR CHRISTMAS PARADES CHEERING THE PEOPLE IN IT.

My World pisses me off sometimes.

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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:46 pm

Guys, go ahead and make up whatever you want, then say it justifies an asinine sentiment. How many school districts could function under the constant threat of multimillion dollar lawsuits over daily conversation between students? A reccommendation for expulsion because a student said 'Merry Christmas?'

Bullshit.
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:51 pm

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 30):
How many school districts could function under the constant threat of multimillion dollar lawsuits over daily conversation between students?

Umm...ours can and has been running like that for years. We are always under constant scrutiny by everyone.

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 30):
A reccommendation for expulsion because a student said 'Merry Christmas?'

Oh really, why don't you go ask the girl then? You'll see how much bullshit it really is.
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:22 am

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 30):
How many school districts could function under the constant threat of multimillion dollar lawsuits over daily conversation between students?

That's the whole point. The only way they can function under this constant threat is by acting in the most PC way possible - and that includes overeactions to everything, bullshit policies out of fear of offending someone, and personal responsibility - non-existant.

Do I blame just the schools for acting this way? No, I blame the politically correct society we've become - it's a foundation of the problem, and record amounts of shitty parenting don't exactly help either.

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 30):
A reccommendation for expulsion because a student said 'Merry Christmas?'

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if you said it to the wrong person.




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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:55 am

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 30):
A reccommendation for expulsion because a student said 'Merry Christmas?'

Bullshit.

You HAVE been hiding under a rock, have you?

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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:18 am

Coaching my daugters softball team last night. We have a girl on out team who is un usually spolied and is just a big pain in the *** . She is a 11 years old only child who just requires so much attention all the time it is never enough. Unlike the other players on the team I spend alot of time "coaching" her because she just refuses to follow instruction. I have spoke frankly with her parents about this. To my dimay they take her side all the time and display the " poor child " act with me.

Last night she struck out in the first inning which all in all is not a big deal. She came back into the dug out looked at me and said .. " I quit and am not playing anymore". I did not take it serious until she put her stuff away and went over and sat with her parents. At this point I am going to have to make a decision , I need to take her off the batting order line up and notify the other team. I go to her parents and tell them that I am pulling her from the line up because she is refusing to play. Her Mom looked at me in horror, and asked me how could I do that. I told her that she is refusing to play so I have no choice. Mom and dad took her to the snack bar bought her candy and shit and came back and told me she wanted to play now. I had already put another girl in and refuesed to let her rejoin. Short story , they bitched to the leauge official who came to me and said "everyone plays".

I then had to make special care to get her back in the line up and play her. Let me tell you , if that was my kid their would be real problems for her. Give a month with her in my family and things would clear up real fast.

Point is that the majority of our kids problems are caused by these dim witted kissy kissy parents ..
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:31 am

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 34):
Short story , they bitched to the leauge official who came to me and said "everyone plays".

There should be a license for parenting....

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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:11 am

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 34):
Coaching my daugters softball team last night.

Are they at least, still taking score?
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RE: School: 1977 Vs 2007 In The USA

Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:37 am

Accurate? Some are, but some are way off. Calling the SWAT team for a fight? Bull. Same with the fireworks and the ant pile - hell, I did that just last week!

The first one really caught my eye though. A couple of years before I ever attended it, a senior at my old HS, a "good ol' boy", had a few empty shotgun shell cartridges in the back of his truck and was expelled for it. Ridiculous.

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