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Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:23 am

The Bush administration may suspend the passport requirement for travel to/from Canada/Mexico. IMHO I dont think this is a great idea. It has been known for the past several years that this requirement was on its way. If you did not get your passport...TOUGH!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070607/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_passports
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ANCFlyer
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:40 am

IF you're smart you've had a passport for while.

If you're stupid, your Cruise Ship leaves tomorrow and you still don't have a passport.

. . . . .

I understand the passports are taking 6-7 months to get issued. This is no surprise - I hope - to anyone in the US. It's been well advertised.

I think everyone should have a passport anyway.
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:43 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
IF you're smart you've had a passport for while.

If you're stupid, your Cruise Ship leaves tomorrow and you still don't have a passport.

. . . . .

I understand the passports are taking 6-7 months to get issued. This is no surprise - I hope - to anyone in the US. It's been well advertised.

I think everyone should have a passport anyway.

Agreed on all counts!
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:11 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
I think everyone should have a passport anyway.

I agree. I take mine with me whether it's legally required or not. I had a good laugh in Phoenix a few weeks ago when the local TV station led with a story about a woman who had waited months for her US passport, and was only days away from a cruise out of Mexico. TV station got her congressman to pull a few levers -- happy ending. What's funny is there have been sooo many of these same stories in Canada, along with a major scandal over the line-ups at the passport office.

Bottom line here -- passport requirement is a GOOD thing for everyone - and it's only travel between Canada and the US (and Mexico I guess) that has been exempt. You wouldn't get into any other country in the world without your passport, and often a visa as well. I hope Bush doesn't back off (despite high level bitching from Ottawa).
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:13 am

Funny but true story. Several years ago, I was stranded in HNL, tried for 3 days to get out and could not. I had my passport with me. I bought an ID90 on JAL to NRT then NRT back to SJC.....If I did not have a passport it would not have been possible.
Most other countries travellers all have passports. Just leave it to the lazy Americans to not bother getting one.
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:18 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 3):
and it's only travel between Canada and the US (and Mexico I guess) that has been exempt.

You could travel to most of the Carribean without one before.

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 4):
Just leave it to the lazy Americans to not bother getting one.

That's a little harsh. I never had one until I had to travel overseas. I understand that this is an aviation enthusist website, hence most of us have a passport. But you average Joe doesn't have one because he didn't need one. Now that he does the wait times are horrendous.

The Gov't should suspend the rules for awhile. Perhaps in the interim carrying a copy of your application could suffice.
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:19 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
I think everyone should have a passport anyway.

 checkmark  On the other hand, I'm sans passport for the next ten or twelve weeks because I had to turn it in to get it renewed. I wouldn't mind being able to show the reciept and a driver's license if I wanted to go to Canada during that time.

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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:24 am

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 5):
Perhaps in the interim carrying a copy of your application could suffice.

Perhaps that would suffice IF such application were notarized or somehow certified as accurate. Otherwise, anyone can use Microsoft . . . . or fill in a blank application with whatever info they want. No checks and balances.
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:27 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
On the other hand, I'm sans passport for the next ten or twelve weeks because I had to turn it in to get it renewed. I wouldn't mind being able to show the reciept and a driver's license if I wanted to go to Canada during that time.

-Mir

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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:30 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Perhaps that would suffice IF such application were notarized or somehow certified as accurate. Otherwise, anyone can use Microsoft . . . . or fill in a blank application with whatever info they want. No checks and balances.

Perhaps. But on the other hand it's nothing but feel-good anti-terror legislation that does nothing. Illegally crossing between Canada and the US (not that I've done it) is simple as pie. Wouldn't be too tough to slip through the woods somewhere.
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:32 am

I went to the Passport office. Did not have to give my old one. And my new one there less than two weeks later. And this was in April. What are you guys talking about with the long waiting times?
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:44 am

Quoting Comorin (Reply 8):
You could have gone to the Passport Office on Vesey Street and got a new one in one day.

But for how much?

Edit: If you're talking about the one in the post office on Church Street, I did go there, and it made the DMV seem like an enjoyable experience.

-Mir

[Edited 2007-06-08 01:52:37]
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:48 am

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 9):
Wouldn't be too tough to slip through the woods somewhere.

No, not at all, unfortunately. The Alaska/Canada border, for instance, is a nice clear wide swatch - devoid of trees - that goes for miles. I've seen it of course. I've nabbed border crossers as well at Port Alcan.

Easy to cross. But, I'm REALLY worried about my fellow Canadians . . .

But then passports really aren't for the criminal types are they? If one REALLY wants to break the law one will . . . .

I can't speak to the border between the lower 48 and Canada. Although I've seen it, it has been at a legal border crossing - with my passport in hand.
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:04 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):

I think everyone should have a passport anyway.

Agree. How can I renew my passport? My current pic sucks too. I think I'm 13 in that pic thats on there.

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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:09 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 13):
How can I renew my passport?

Ummm, maybe with the same people you got it from?
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:11 am

Jorge Bush wants to give amnesty to tens of millions of illegals, with no means of enforcing any rule of law, why should anyone be surprised that he's talking about doing away with passport requirements?

Border control? Naw, that's old fashioned!

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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:17 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
But then passports really aren't for the criminal types are they? If one REALLY wants to break the law one will . . . .

And that's the crux of the issue. Much like the concealed carry debate. All it does is inconvenience law abiding citizens.

But, at the risk of hijacking the thread, I digress - however, a temporary relaxation of the rules is in order.
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:51 am

I don't get it-the US govt has only been saying for about a year this was going to come into law. Since before 9-11 you couldn't fly to Canada or Mexico without one. And then they really cracked down. What are people thinking? I know cruise lines were kind of wish-washy about it on some trips, depending on where you were going, but I'd never think of leaving the country without one. But, I've had one since 1975.  Smile Europeans have had it that way for years.
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:58 am

I've recently seen tourism commercials for Puerto Rico. I cannot believe they're actually plastering "NO PASSPORT NEEDED" throughout the ads. Are there actually idiots out there that think Puerto Rico isn't part of the United States? Jesus...
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:26 am

AsstCheifMark-
I've seen the same ads-makes ya wonder.....  Wink
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:42 am

I bet GWB and many members of Congress have been getting an earful from the tourism industry as to the already and potential serious losses of business with the passport requirement. I am not surprised with this proposal.
 
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:04 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
I can't speak to the border between the lower 48 and Canada.

Can't say for the entire length of the border, but I can definitely speak to the NY/VT/ME section of the border. It is miles and miles of thick woods, with country roads that criss-cross the border with few, if any barriers. When I was a student at McGill in Montreal, the Canadian consulate made an error on my student visa, which caused me to be denied entry at the official border crossing at Plattsburgh. I simply turned around, removed the detachable visa from my passport, and drove a few miles into the countryside, and then crossed on an unattended country road. The honor system operates on these roads, and you simply tuck into the nearest immigration and customs office down the lane, and report your crossing. I reported myself as a tourist - and then sorted out my visa when I got to Montreal. (They neglected to advance the date stamp between stamping the issuance/expiry dates - so my visa expired the same date as it was issued. It was an obvious mistake, but one the border officials were powerless to ignore. Luckily student visas were separate pieces of paper).

Back to this thread... I'm not entirely sympathetic to the plight of those who should have been aware this was coming. It was announced ages ago, and has been well publicized both in the conventional press and within the travel industry. All airlines, cruise lines, travel agents, tour operators, etc... have known about this for at least 4 years now. In fact I believe implementation was already delayed once already. Obviously, someone who did not count on traveling, who is caught in a last minute need will get squeezed, but the passport offices should be making allowances for emergency travel and provide expedited service at all locatons.
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:32 am

I don't agree that this is a traveller's fault especially if they applied early, following government processing time estimates.

I know someone who applied for a renewal 13 weeks ago. Back in late February the US was estimating 7 or 8 weeks to process renewals and applications. So this person thought they were allowing plenty of time for a summer trip.

Now the government appears unable to get to the current estimate posted on the website of 10 to 12 weeks.

Some travel agencies are saying it is really better to plan on 18 weeks now for routine service.

The LA Times had an article today which included comments of people being told "it's in the mail" but it hadn't been sent yet. Many of them had a flight within a day or two and couldn't get through to anyone at the State Department either by phone or e-mail even though many had applied at least 12 weeks ago. Some who did get through were told that their passport had been express mailed to them a week earlier, only to be told later that it actually hadn't left the building and was unlikely to get to them in time.
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:29 pm

I think that everyone traveling into/out of the country should have a passport.

However while GWB intentions are good with this program he once again didn't fund it properly to staff up the agency to give its citizens a good customer experience with these waits.

I renewed my passoport in February with "Expidited" service and it took just over a month to process.

Until the agency can handle the volume and the land/ship entries require the passport I don't see how a suspension of the requirement for those that already applied but did not get it yet can travel like before.

It's just good customer service to temporarily suspend the requirement and let them catch up.
 
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:06 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 18):
Are there actually idiots out there that think Puerto Rico isn't part of the United States? Jesus...

A good number of them happen to live in Puerto Rico, judging from the referendums for independence they keep having every few years.

I for one am glad to see common sense return to the passport requirements. Alaska was in danger of becoming an isolated island because of them.
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:28 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
I understand the passports are taking 6-7 months to get issued. This is no surprise - I hope - to anyone in the US. It's been well advertised.

Holy Shit..!
How can an administration in the most computerized and technology driven country in the world, take soooo long to print a passport ! Specially if you already owned a passport,I assume the records are still kept-so no nedd to gat an extensive background-check for security reasons.Seems absolutely out of this world...
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:58 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 25):
Holy Shit..!
How can an administration in the most computerized and technology driven country in the world, take soooo long to print a passport !

We aren't... Average is a full 10-12 weeks
 
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:06 pm

I renewed my passport in late March and got the thing in the mail around the beginning of May. I'm sure everyone else's mileage may vary, but whichever office processed my application didn't seem to be running too far behind.
 
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:27 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
But for how much?

Edit: If you're talking about the one in the post office on Church Street, I did go there, and it made the DMV seem like an enjoyable experience.

-Mir

Mir,

This is the Federal Building in Tribeca (on Hudson, not Vesey) ,a few blocks south of Canal Street . You can get your passport in a day if you have a valid ticket leaving the country. You call ahead, make an appointment, and it's a simple process. You g oin the morning, submit your forms, and pick up your passport in the afternoon.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/about/agencies/agencies_912.html
 
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:40 pm

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
The Bush administration may suspend the passport requirement for travel to/from Canada/Mexico

Effectively you don't need a passport to travel from Mexico to the US as it is. Several million Mexicans do it every year...
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RE: Bush May Suspend Passport Requirements

Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:58 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 18):
Are there actually idiots out there that think Puerto Rico isn't part of the United States?

Too busy keeping tabs on Paris Hilton and complaining about high gas prices while in line at Starbucks.
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