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New OS X Leopard Features Revealed

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:08 am

Today Apple revealed some more features that will be implemented with the release of MacOS X Leopard in October. Have a look: http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/

I like the new Finder, Desktop (+Dock) and Quick Look. What do you think? I'm looking forward to it  Smile
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RE: New OS X Leopard Features Revealed

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:18 am

Quoting ManuCH (Thread starter):
What do you think? I'm looking forward to it

Some stunning new features. I especially like the new Dock with the 'Stacks' feature.

Spaces is also a great feature, and one that I've really enjoyed (albeit in a far more primitive version) in various Linux distros. I'm glad that it's coming to OS X, and it's various features are awesome.

Mail's development is the only let down, and it's very minor. I'll probably stick with Entourage.

Leopard puts Vista even further in the shade in my opinion.
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RE: New OS X Leopard Features Revealed

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:29 am

I personally can't wait... i'm going to buy it as soon as its out. Just goes to show I made the right choice switching to Mac.

BTW, do student discounts apply to software as well?
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RE: New OS X Leopard Features Revealed

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:30 am

Ah I think 10.5 is going to be a solid upgrade, technologically. Some features are very exciting, and it looks very refined.

I will upgrade for sure, when the time comes and Apple releases it. I like the new look. I'm a bit sceptical that the Finder is that 'new'. The current Finder was inspired by iTunes.. so this one takes the inspiration and makes it imitation. Fine, but I don't like filebrowsing in a single window, so for me this is just as annoying as the old Finder.

Bottom line: solid OS release, worthy upgrade, still a sucky Finder.

Just the option for a true spacial Finder would be enough. But, no. Intuative file browsing died with OS X and 'clean' and mechanical browsing became a holy grail.

Strange how the world turns  Smile

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RE: New OS X Leopard Features Revealed

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:41 am

I'm going to buy it the moment it comes out as well.

This looks really nice, but Quick Look appears like it's going to take a heap of file space to index all the files. I'd like to hear more about how dot-mac lets you view your home computer when you're away, that was briefly mentioned in the Finder demo. That looks really interesting. Time Machine looks like something I'd use--I've got copies of copies of copies in backups of some things, LOL.

Out of all the new features, I'd probably use the ones in Mail the most, along with iChat Theater.

I can hardly wait!  bouncy 

Quoting Asturias (Reply 3):
I don't like filebrowsing in a single window, so for me this is just as annoying as the old Finder.

How would you rather browse files?
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RE: New OS X Leopard Features Revealed

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:56 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
How would you rather browse files?

In a way closer to the way it was done in Mac OS 9 than in NeXT. A spacial file orientation. Muscle memory and visual clues.

A file can only exist in one place at one time.

That's the core of spacial file browsing, I suppose. Everything else about it just evolves from that simple principle.

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RE: New OS X Leopard Features Revealed

Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:02 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
This looks really nice, but Quick Look appears like it's going to take a heap of file space to index all the files.

No, it doesn't index anything. That's what Spotlight does since Tiger.

Quick Look is "just" a new file preview framework which helps displaying file contents. They'll surely use caching for speedup, but probably no large-scale indexing.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
I'd like to hear more about how dot-mac lets you view your home computer when you're away, that was briefly mentioned in the Finder demo.

It's almost certainly just an IP address lookup mechanism like dyndns which helps you keep track of your dynamically changing home IP address. Knowing the current IP address, it lets you access the machine.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
Time Machine looks like something I'd use--I've got copies of copies of copies in backups of some things, LOL.

Indeed. It's very attractive. I'm using CVS for work, but it's so cumbersome that I only use it where absolutely necessary. Time Machine should do a decent job of keeping track of updated versions - not as fine-grained as CVS does, but much more practical.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
How would you rather browse files?

The "Classic" Finder was indeed cleaner and more consistent in several ways; But since the OS X Finder doesn't force anybody to operate in single-window-mode, I don't really see the big point here.

I'd love to see the Finder cleaned up, made properly multi-threaded and have some unnecessary quirks straightened out, but it's not that bad as it is...


Stacks could be a nice thing, but I'd have to check them out in practice.


For myself I'm rather interested to see the complete list of changes with Leopard; As with Tiger, the most interesting stuff may well be "below the surface". Full and native ZFS support would still be nice, for one thing...!
 
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RE: New OS X Leopard Features Revealed

Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
Quick Look is "just" a new file preview framework which helps displaying file contents. They'll surely use caching for speedup, but probably no large-scale indexing.

Ah, k, it looked like it was going to index page views.  Wow!

Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
The "Classic" Finder was indeed cleaner and more consistent in several ways; But since the OS X Finder doesn't force anybody to operate in single-window-mode, I don't really see the big point here.

Yup, I agree on both points. I can use the OS X finder just like I did OS 9 if I wanted to, although OS 9 updated folder info better, when you added material into subfolders.
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RE: New OS X Leopard Features Revealed

Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:24 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
although OS 9 updated folder info better, when you added material into subfolders.

With the introduction of Spotlight they've made some improvements there, but I agree they've left quite a bit to be desired...!
 
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RE: New OS X Leopard Features Revealed

Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:09 pm

Quoting QR332 (Reply 2):
BTW, do student discounts apply to software as well?

Yes.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
How would you rather browse files?

Like many things, I wasn't so sure about it when I first saw it demonstrated, but once I got my own mouse on it, I love the column view. But then, in classic Mac OS, I tended to browse the Finder with the Option key held down (causing the current folder window to close when I opened the next one).

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
Out of all the new features, I'd probably use the ones in Mail the most, along with iChat Theater.

I so want the new iChat. Will really help when it comes to helping my parents with stuff on their computer.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
Indeed. It's very attractive. I'm using CVS for work, but it's so cumbersome that I only use it where absolutely necessary. Time Machine should do a decent job of keeping track of updated versions - not as fine-grained as CVS does, but much more practical.

I've never really wrapped my head around CVS; I much prefer Subversion, which is what I use at work. That said, I've got an external FireWire hard drive (I originally bought it as an internal IDE hard drive for my PC to play with Vista, and later moved it into the FireWire case) sitting and waiting for Time Machine.

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