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Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:14 pm

So tonight I got off work, changed clothes and made my way to the Metra (for you non-chicagoans, it is the commuterail train between the burbs and the city of Chicago). I got on at the north glen station of the milwaukee north line, but the train was running late and an announcement came on the PA that said after my stop the train would run express to union station (meaning no intermittent stops).

So I got on, sat down and put on my headphones. The train moved on, and about two minutes later I noticed we seemed to be going fairly quickly, but remembered this was now an express train so there was no need to keep slow to make the stops.

As we were plowing through the Golf Metra stop, I noticed we immediately started slowing down, and soon thereafter came to a stop. We all looked around and sat in silence for a few minutes until the PA came on and said "this train has been involved in an at-grade accident, expect delays."

Well, come to find out, we hit someone...with expected results.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,1,6767581.story?coll=chi-news-hed

So, yeah. This is definitely my first experience with any kind of thing like this - it feels weird, but not. like, obviously I didn't have anything to do with her death, directly, I was an unwilling an unknowing participant who had no control whatsoever over her fate. Still though - I had some connection, and it does feel odd.

Has anyone else ever been in a situation like this, or have anything that can relate to this? I'm not ultra broken up about it or anything...obviously I feel bad, but there's not much I can do. It just feels weird, ya know?

maybe not. anyway, it's been a weird day, and I'm going to bed - check back here in the morning.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:17 pm

Only close thing I can think of is seeing an accident and a car rolling over 4 times. I just wanted to prevent that from ever happening, but I had no control over it.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:34 pm

Quoting Planespotting (Thread starter):
Well, come to find out, we hit someone...with expected results.

It's simple. 1. Expect a train at any time. 2. Don't trespass on railroad property. 3. Idiots that choose suicide-by-train are stupid, worthless motherfuckers who harm more than themselves. Don't they give a shit about the train crews and passengers that have to watch as their bodies get ground up like hamburger?
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:37 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 2):
3. Idiots that choose suicide-by-train are stupid, worthless motherfuckers who harm more than themselves. Don't they give a shit about the train crews and passengers that have to watch as their bodies get ground up like hamburger?

Sadly, Mark, when you are that screwed up by life that you WANT to jump in front of a train, the last thing you are thinking about is how the driver and passengers are going to feel. All you want to do is go and sometimes catching a train is the only way.

Personally, if I was going to go, I want to be in bed with a large breasted woman sitting on my face. A lot less messy and less trauma for everyone else. Except maybe my wife of course! Big grin

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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:00 pm



Was the woman suicidal or just retarded?
 
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:47 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 4):
Was the woman suicidal or just retarded?

Or too busy listening to her iPod and playing with her cell phone to pay attention to what was going on around her..
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:32 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 5):

Or too busy listening to her iPod and playing with her cell phone to pay attention to what was going on around her..

That's a more likely case
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 5):
Or too busy listening to her iPod and playing with her cell phone to pay attention to what was going on around her..

Looks like Darwin was doing a little house cleaning. How someone misses seeing an object the size of apartment building, that is blowing a horn that can be heard 5 miles, is beyond me.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:00 pm

I was flying Night IFR in a C172 and heard a friend flying in PA32 as he crashed into the ground at 250Kts and 60 G's.

That was a long time ago and It really made me remember flying is not a game. I was 19 at the time and learned that you can't be too careful as a pilot.



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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:05 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 5):
Or too busy listening to her iPod and playing with her cell phone

That IS suicidal.

Obstructing your hearing and diverting your own attention while walking on the tracks is sure to get you killed. It's a stupid as riding a bicycle against traffic whilst watching a movie on a cell phone.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:30 am

Years ago, a fella jumped off the 17-story building where I worked. Thank God I didn't see him falling past the window.
 
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:41 am

I really don't understand you people. If she did make a mistake, then its no reason to suddenly assume shes a retard - yes, she shouldn't have been crossing the train tracks like that, but for God's sake have some respect.

People do stupid things that kill them all the time. Thats no excuse to mock their deaths and say such things.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:00 am

Quoting QR332 (Reply 11):
I really don't understand you people. If she did make a mistake, then its no reason to suddenly assume shes a retard - yes, she shouldn't have been crossing the train tracks like that, but for God's sake have some respect.

Don't get me wrong, a loss of life is nothing to mock fun of, but the way that it happened is definitely a thing to mock.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:34 am

Quoting QR332 (Reply 11):
I really don't understand you people.

If you'd like, I'll teach you how.

Quoting QR332 (Reply 11):
If she did make a mistake

If? It's beyond "if." And it's way beyond a "mistake." It's a total fuck up.

Quoting QR332 (Reply 11):
People do stupid things that kill them all the time.

It wouldn't be as easy to do if she hadn't been so damned self-centered. If she was going to do something stupid like talk of the phone while walking down the middle of an active railroad track, she shouldn't have dragged others into her world of pleasure and/or self destruction.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:58 am

Is there a video of this? From some of the posts, it appears that there is, but I can't get anything from the link but a story. And that story doesn't publish some of the information posted here. I even registered for the site, but still no video.
 
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:44 am

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 14):
Is there a video of this?

This may be it. Warning not pleasant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g90C...viation%2Fread%2Emain%2F1632586%2F
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:48 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 15):

Nope, one its dated back in May

Plus, they are operating E9's, so it is very dated.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:58 am

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 16):
Nope, one its dated back in May

That's this one.

At around 5:53 p.m. on August 26, 1991, Mary T. Wojtyla, 41, of Chicago, was walking with her lawyer across the tracks at the Fairview Avenue grade crossing in Downers Grove, directly in front of a westbound train which was stopped at the Metra station. Apparently distracted by ongoing divorce proceedings, she crossed the center track and was struck by a westbound Burlington Northern EMD E9 pulling a "Racetrack" express train, estimated to be traveling at 60 miles per hour. Wojtyla was killed instantly; her lawyer saw the oncoming train and was not struck.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:03 am

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 5):
Or too busy listening to her iPod

I couldn't turn my brother's 4GB Nano up load enough to drown out the TV, which was at a normal level. Maybe my hearing is already screwed, or iPod's really suck. I'm leaning towards the latter.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 13):
If you'd like, I'll teach you how.

No thanks. I enjoy not being a heartless bastard.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 13):
If? It's beyond "if." And it's way beyond a "mistake." It's a total fuck up.

She fucked up. In other words, it was not on purpose. She paid for her mistake with her life, now move on. There's no need to sit there and mock it like a 6 year old would. We all make mistakes.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 13):
It wouldn't be as easy to do if she hadn't been so damned self-centered. If she was going to do something stupid like talk of the phone while walking down the middle of an active railroad track, she shouldn't have dragged others into her world of pleasure and/or self destruction.

Are you kidding me? So you came to the conclusion, without ever meeting the woman, that she's self-centered, in a world of her own pleasure and self-destructive?

Spare me. You make it sound like she did this on purpose. Even if she had, have a bit of sympathy. Yes, its bad that people had to experience such a thing, but they'll get over it. Her family and friends won't. Why no consideration for them?

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 18):
I couldn't turn my brother's 4GB Nano up load enough to drown out the TV, which was at a normal level. Maybe my hearing is already screwed, or iPod's really suck. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Or you have the European version, which by law has to have a low maximum volume.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:15 am

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 14):
Is there a video of this? From some of the posts, it appears that there is, but I can't get anything from the link but a story. And that story doesn't publish some of the information posted here. I even registered for the site, but still no video.

Yeah - I don't understand why everyone is jumping to conclusions, when the most logical reason indicates only a bit of carlessness on her part.

As I said in my post, I was on what is normally a regular train - that is, making all intermittent stops. Because of delays, our train turned into an express train. It is extremely likely that the lady was present around the tracks at this time every day (these are commuter trains), and probably is use to every train approaching the station at a fairly slow pace and slowing down to a stop. In this case - it didn't. It plowed through going around 30-40 mph, probably going a bit faster than normal trying to make up time.

She probably saw the train aways off and assumed it was a regular day, and subsequently walked across the tracks without giving it a second thought - which, obviously, is always a bad move when dealing with 90,000KG moving at 35 or so meters per second in a straight line right at you.

But, again, even this is all speculation. It was hardly a mistake worthy of death, but - that is how things go.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:38 am

Quoting QR332 (Reply 19):
I enjoy not being a heartless bastard.

It's obvious you don't know me very well. If you did, I'm one of the last people you'd call a heartless bastard. I'm just realistic. Years in EMS tends to do that.

Quoting QR332 (Reply 19):
We all make mistakes.

Yeah. But to walk across a railroad crossing equipped with lights, bells, and barriers? In front of a train with 600,000 candelas of headlights glaring and 120 decibels of horn blaring? That's one hell of a mistake for a pedestrian to make.

Quoting QR332 (Reply 19):
in a world of her own pleasure and self-destructive?

How else would you explain it? It's not like she lit the filter end of a cigarette. She walked onto a railroad crossing at the same time a train was crossing it. Think about it. Human instinct stops people a split second before they do a life-threatening screw-up.

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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:44 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 21):
It's obvious you don't know me very well. If you did, I'm one of the last people you'd call a heartless bastard. I'm just realistic. Years in EMS tends to do that.

Not exactly the impression your giving here. Realism is one thing, but mocking someone's death is another.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 21):
Yeah. But to walk across a railroad crossing equipped with lights, bells, and barriers? In front of a train with 600,000 candelas of headlights glaring and 120 decibels of horn blaring? That's one hell of a mistake for a pedestrian to make.

And again, it cost her her life. You'll always hear stories of people jaywalking and getting run over, or stories such as this one. The people made a fatal error in judgement, it doesn't give us the right to mock them and be insensitive.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 21):
How else would you explain it? It's not like she lit the filter end of a cigarette. She walked onto a railroad crossing at the same time a train was crossing it. Think about it. Human instinct stops people a split second before they do a life-threatening screw-up.

I'd explain it as a huge lapse in judgement. I doubt her last thoughts were "lets make all the people on the train see something really sick."
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:47 am

Quoting QR332 (Reply 22):
I doubt her last thoughts were "lets make all the people on the train see something really sick."

You never know. I've taken care of loads (and piles) of people who wanted to put on a great show before trying to become crow food.
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Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:59 am

Quoting QR332 (Reply 22):
The people made a fatal error in judgement, it doesn't give us the right to mock them and be insensitive.

We all have the right to mock them. It's just not a nice thing to do.  devil 
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:29 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 20):
when the most logical reason indicates only a bit of carlessness on her part.

A bit of carelessness?? A bit of carelessness is locking your keys in the car. This women stepped in fornt of a train. That is complete stupidity. Its not like the train snuck up on her. You can usually tell the area that trains frequent. Even the most oblivious person knows that when they are walking and come across two iron rails extending into the distance there might just be a train near by. Even the most ill educated person knows that when he or she comes upon these tracks it is usually a good idea to give a look in both directions if they wish to cross and continue to live into the near future. The women in question apparently does not have the mental capacity to survive amongst us more educated humans and was thus weeded from the herd. I can only hope she had not bred and polluted the human population with more of her kind.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 25):
A bit of carelessness??

I say "a bit" because she likely had the same routine every day - walking somewhere near the train station at around the same time, and if she saw the train coming, it always slowed down or stopped short of where she was. The way the brain works, it is unlikely she registered "the train is coming" as anything different than "there's a busy street with cars ahead of me" - probably just used to the situation.

And obviously, when you're ingrained too much in a potentially dangerous situation for it to register as harmful - you have a problem. Like the pilot who takes off overweight or out of CG in a C172 everytime on a 5,000 foot runway at sea level - as long as you keep the speed up a bit, there's no problem. Try doing the same thing on a 2,500 foot runway at 6,000 feet with obstacles at the end of the runway...you have the same type of problem.

It's all about keeping an objective sense of what is safe and what is not.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:49 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 26):
The way the brain works, it is unlikely she registered "the train is coming"

I find it hard to believe that anyone can ignore a 120 decibel horn that's getting louder really fast. I'm used to them and they're still painfully deafening.

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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:51 am

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 14):
Is there a video of this? From some of the posts, it appears that there is, but I can't get anything from the link but a story. And that story doesn't publish some of the information posted here. I even registered for the site, but still no video.

That's what I was wondering. All I can see is that she was hit by the train.

Careless? Quite probably.

Stupid? Perhaps,

Self-centred? I'd need to see some evidence to believe that. Do we know she didn't just fall?

Got what she deserved? I doubt it. How many thousands of people have had a close shave when crossing a road or railway or working with electricity and got away with it? They may have done something stupid but should they feel guilty that they didn't die? Is being hit ny a train really worse on other people than all crimes that don't carry the death penalty, such as serious assault, major fraud, etc?

I'd like to know a bit more than the fact that she got hit by a train.
 
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:07 am

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 26):
It's all about keeping an objective sense of what is safe and what is not.

There is a busy railroad near my house. I cross the tracks at least 2 times daily on my way to and from work. I have probably crossed those tracks thousands of times. In those thousands of times I have never not slowed down and looked both ways just in case the signal is malfunctioning. I also look both ways before crossing a road after waiting at a red light. It is just comon sense to me to do those things. That is way I find it hard to believe that people don't look before crossing tracks.
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Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:15 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 29):
In those thousands of times I have never not slowed down and looked both ways just in case the signal is malfunctioning.

Yep. My dad taught me to do the same thing. And he was a railroad signal maintenance supervisor for 4 decades.

I've experienced malfunctioning signals three times. It's terrifying to look up and see a triad of headlights bearing down on you from a couple hundred feet away ... without the crossing signals operating.

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Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:41 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 30):

That bottom picture scares the living shit out of me. I surely hope the guy didn't get stuck on the tracks or the like.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:58 pm

I have some more info on the death --

Apparently, she was standing on/in the yellow line that represents the safety zone - like I hypothesized before - she was expecting the train to stop and slow down like it does every day.

She didn't even cross the tracks.
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Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:45 pm

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 32):
Apparently, she was standing on/in the yellow line that represents the safety zone



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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:10 am

Quoting Planespotting (Thread starter):
Has anyone else ever been in a situation like this, or have anything that can relate to this?

I was on an EI flight JFK-SNN-DUB a few years ago and the flight at the gate next to us was Egyptair 990. When I found out what happened in SNN the next morning it was possibly the weirdest feeling iv ever had even though I had no connection with it other than being one gate over.
 
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:17 pm

I am wondering if the engineer of the train will have a job to go back to once this is all done and over with.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:13 pm

Quoting SkyTeam777 (Reply 35):
I am wondering if the engineer of the train will have a job to go back to once this is all done and over with.

Why would you be wondering that?
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:58 pm

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 29):
I also look both ways before crossing a road after waiting at a red light.

Especially on roads. While railroad signals might fail, it is fairly unlikely. Drivers running red lights happen all the time though. Smart man  Smile

Quoting SkyTeam777 (Reply 35):
I am wondering if the engineer of the train will have a job to go back to once this is all done and over with.

Why wouldn't he? It's not like he could swerve and stop.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:35 pm

Quoting SkyTeam777 (Reply 35):
I am wondering if the engineer of the train will have a job to go back to once this is all done and over with.

I know engineers who've had three fatal hits and they just keep on chugging. I've never heard of an engineer losing his/her job for such a thing.

If they want, engineers and conductors can take a couple days off after a hit. However, most jump right back in the cab once the bodies and wreckage are removed. They learn in "train school" that hitting people and vehicles comes with the job.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:39 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 38):
I know engineers who've had three fatal hits and they just keep on chugging. I've never heard of an engineer losing his/her job for such a thing.

If they want, engineers and conductors can take a couple days off after a hit. However, most jump right back in the cab once the bodies and wreckage are removed. They learn in "train school" that hitting people and vehicles comes with the job.

Probably the best thing to do. Get on with the job before you start thinking too much about it. That way you won't have problems later.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:22 am

Apart from the (to me) flippant attitude of some within this thread, why can't they just fit barriers at these (many?) crossings. Would that not help to prevent this kind of incident/accident? Just my thoughts.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:29 am

Quoting Farcry (Reply 40):
why can't they just fit barriers at these (many?) crossings.

The idiots drive or walk around them. Not to mention, many of the pedestrian hits occur when people cross where no crossing exists or walk along the tracks.

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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:50 am

Fair enough ACM. I would agree that the idiot in your picture is just being a total fool. But, if people are walking/driving around the (I gather) half barriers why not fit full barriers? If it saved one person from being maimed/killed and the obvious trauma for the train crew would it not be worthwhile?
Exactly how long is a drastic measure?
 
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:06 am

Quoting Farcry (Reply 40):
why can't they just fit barriers at these (many?) crossings.

The same reason they don't fence most of the railroads in the USA & Canada?, there are too many miles of track to cover, They have something like 20K+ miles of track I think and its just not pheasable to do such a thing, I believe its the same in Australia.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 30):

http://www.railpictures.net/images/b..._9853_6th_av_traffic.jpg.75897.jpg

http://www.railpictures.net/images/images2/m/march07532.jpg.61976.jpg

The guy in the bottom one reminds me of a scene from South Park  Smile

The dumbasses in the top one however, need to be weeded out of the gene pool. Reminds me of a saying I have for electricity, it hums and sounds pissed off so don't touch the damned thing. I guess you have to hear me say it  Wink

It never ceases to amaze me how many idiots cut around level crossings, the sad case really is that in the USA they mostly get away with it (and even if they get hit by a train, it doesn't even scratch the loco) but here in the UK when someone accidentally drives their car into the path of a train and gets hit, the train derails and kills coachloads.

Actually I think I started to go off the rails there towards the end of the post, been a long day I guess  Smile

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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:11 am

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 43):
They have something like 20K+ miles of track

300,000 miles, IIRC.
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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:20 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 44):
300,000 miles, IIRC.

Ok so I was slightly off with that estimate  Wink

Quoting QR332 (Reply 22):
And again, it cost her her life. You'll always hear stories of people jaywalking and getting run over, or stories such as this one

The amount of times I have almost been knocked down whilst sprinting across the road is scary, I amost got knocked down crossing the only road between me and work, luckily I jumped back in time to fall over my crewbag (fortunatly the fog meant the visibility was down to about 3 feet, which is why I was in the prediciment to start with  Smile

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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:23 am

Here we go, Phil

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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:34 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 46):
Here we go

Thanks, that kind of puts things into perspective, I forgot how huge the US actually is, I mean how many times smaller is the UK?

Thats one thing I do envy about the United States, its so big. I'd love to live in a country that is so spread out, where you can take a long train ride from one side to the other and it takes days, then again you can take a train from scotland to devon and it can take days considering the usual engineering works we have  Wink

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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:43 am

Here is Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan. That's how big the UK AND Ireland is.



Here's the whole country.



How's that?

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RE: Death And Your Modes Of Transportation

Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:37 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 48):

That's one small slice of the Pie that is North America  Smile

As for dumbasses crossing when they shouldn't, check out this close call

http://youtube.com/watch?v=938brJyt9MA

And of course, here is the Top Gear "Saftey Video"  Wink

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zCrHwqGfkYs

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