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What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:05 am

...particularly those of you who've seen/heard the English incarnation.



http://english.AlJazeera.net


Heard on Air America that the English broadcast itself was celebrating the milestone of their 100millionth household. Quite interesting.

Also, what do you make of the comparisons to FoxNews?

What say you?
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:17 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
Heard on Air America that the English broadcast itself was celebrating the milestone of their 100millionth household.

Why am I not surprised to find out that Air America is giving props to Al Jazeera?
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:24 am

Al Jazeera is getting better. I have only read the online English version, not seen the station. It's op ed stuff can be a little off the wall sometimes, but maybe that is because we are seeing a different angle to things. It is certainly in the main less sensational than it used to be. Though the coverage it has given to terrorists who held hostages who were then beheaded is unforgivable - I think it may have encouraged the actions taken by the terrorists if they knew they were going to get their film on the news.

No idea about the Arabic version as I cannot speak Arabic.

The term FoxNews is a misnomer. The last thing this Rah Rah station is is a news channel. It is unbalanced infotainment aimed at the braindead whilst masquerading as news

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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:30 am

Quoting WorkFlyer (Reply 2):
The last thing this Rah Rah station is is a news channel. It is unbalanced infotainment aimed at the braindead whilst masquerading as news.

...or, could it just be a reflection of your (and quite a few others') inability to distinguish between the hour-long OpEd shows which overrun Fox's primetime (which MSN is also highly "guilty" of) and the news presentation that the channel provides for the overwhelming majority of the day?

Not to be insulting, just throwin' it out there.
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:16 pm

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3):
Not to be insulting, just throwin' it out there

Not insulted at all. The problem is that the "news" and I use that term advisedly, is buried in all of the op ed that comes out of Fox. The end result being that the op ed is sold as news to the watching public.

To be honest if I wasnt to watch people screem at each other, I will go to a local workingmens bar around 10PM, not sit watching a cartoon channel (With over made up cartoon people).

Its whole design is one of attracting an audience with the attention span of a gnat and then telling them that all they need to know is available on that station. As someone who reads online news from Asia, North America, the UK Australia the Middle East and New Zealand (Yes I do some work sometimes) I can safely say that Fox is well off the mark as far providing "all the news you need".

If you want a good comparison between Fox News and Al Jazeera, just open up both of thier webpages. Al Jazeera leads with Issues such as Bushes veto on stem cell research, the Palastinian President ruling out talks with Hamas and what role Tony Blair will have now he is no longer going to be Prime Minister of England.

Over on Fox, while the Bush verto is covered, bigger prominance is given to stories about Hilary Clinton spoofing the Sopranos, Bob Barker's opinion about whther Rosie O'Donell is right to take over a game show and Paris Hilton's neighbours being concerned about press packs outside their homes. What is more important here folks?
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:43 pm

Quoting WorkFlyer (Reply 4):
the "news" and I use that term advisedly, is buried in all of the op ed that comes out of Fox.

It's also in great company:
As stated, MSN is just as guilty at overrunning its primetime with OpEds; and the once-respectable CNN Headline now includes a celebrity gossip hour for cryin' out loud. So again, why isolate Fox?

Quoting WorkFlyer (Reply 4):
The end result being that the op ed is sold as news to the watching public.

Define "sold as"?
I'm also curious as to how much of this you're gleaning 2ndhand, as anyone who'd ever spent any time watching their OpEds would be well acquainted with the fact that (with the notable exceptions of Hume and van Susteren) most of the shows go out of the way to emphasize that they're a factor of the host's impression of issues as he sees it.

Heck, "the truth as I understand it" was Hannity's tagline 1998-2004.

Quoting WorkFlyer (Reply 4):
and then telling them that all they need to know is available on that station. A

Only a fool would choose a single source of news and consider themselves informed, Fox or otherwise.
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:02 pm

In my place I receive BBC World, CNN, Fox and Al Jazeera in English. I think that the best two of those are BBC and Al Jazeera. CNN used to be very good but their quality has dropped considerably. Fox... well, I won't even comment on them. BBC and Al Jazeera give full news coverage and it is interesting to compare both in terms of angles and viewpoints.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:49 pm

Simply put"The other side of the story".
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:46 pm

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
the English broadcast itself was celebrating the milestone of their 100millionth household.

I have seen the TV-broadcasts in Arabic and in English a few times, but look up in the internet-news fairly often. They are competent and open-minded and quite balanced and objective in their reporting. Very swift at times, but sometimes a bit slow.
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:52 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
Simply put"The other side of the story".

well-said, But news is getting boring now, tired of listening to whats happening to the Paris Hilton or the other celebrities, or hearing about the latest deaths in Iraq, its same boring news, and some of the crap they put out there isnt even newsworthy, for example last couple of months the news was concentrating on an alligator in a city lake... go figure.
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:54 pm

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 9):
But news is getting boring now

Try listening to the News Tv channels out here,discussing weird issues from Spooks to quarelling Neighbours.Only good Print media is "The Times of India".
The rest are Junk.
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:24 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10):
"The Times of India".

Ive read that one, i think thats what my family suscribes to over there, is that the number one readership in India?
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:08 pm

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 9):
news is getting boring now

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to defend the news-people right here, a look-back. In the 1950ies and 60ies, you had a news bulletin at 6 am which was repeated at 7 am and 8 am; you had another news bulletin at 12.30, supplemented by some correspondents (radio, not TV) a bit later on on the radio, and then another "late" bulletin at around 8pm . NOW, those news-producers are expected to come out each hour.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:11 pm

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Islamic Jihadist propaganda organization. Here's proof.....

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
Heard on Air America that the English broadcast itself was celebrating the milestone of their 100millionth household.

Bullshit.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:48 pm

Quoting Queso (Reply 13):
Islamic Jihadist propaganda organization

Not really. We get it here in Portugal on cable for free, and it's actually pretty interesting. It does a huge service in the Arab world by offering a choice to viewers who could previously only watch hugely censored or biased government approved news. The Algerian government shut down power to half of Algiers once just to prevent a program being seen there.

100 million households is completely feasable as it can be viewed worldwide, not just in the Mid East.
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:55 pm

Josh Rushing, star of Control Room and an Al-Jarezza reporter spoke to my class at college. I wrote a long article about the channel and misconceptions related to it for the school newspaper. That should give a little more background on it. I am re-posing it below for your reference/enjoyment. 'Any comments are welcome. Since it was journalism, I obviously do not provide my opinion on the subject. But I learned how many misconceptions I had while researching it.
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Title: Al-Jazeera journalist urges students to view other media
Run Date: 2/1/07
Reporter: Brian _________

More people across the world trust Al-Jazeera than Western press, said Josh Rushing, star of the documentary "Control Room" and a correspondent for Al-Jazeera English, during a speech in Mary Graydon Center Tuesday.

"It's critical to understand that there are different perspectives about how the world works," said Bill Gentile, a professor in the School of Communication, whose class hosted Rushing. "[People] have to understand that there is more then just the American way of seeing the world."

Gentile said it is critical to understand that "the world is not CNN and most certainly is not FOX News."

As a result of these networks and "part of this administration's narrow vision of the world, an increasing part of the world rejects the American vision of the world, [and] this is very, very dangerous," Gentile said.

Rushing, a former marine lieutenant, was made famous in "Control Room," a film produced by AU graduate students that won the CDS Filmmaker Award at the Sundance Film Festival in 2004.

Rushing served as a spokesperson at Central Command in Doha, Qatar, during Operation Iraqi Freedom and was not expecting to be a star of the documentary film, he said. The producers, unknown to him, cast him in a starring role, expanding a 15-minute conversation to the entire length of the film.

Due to his role working with Al-Jazeera in Qatar as their military spokesperson, Rushing was offered a job for their start-up English network, based in Washington, D.C.

Both Rushing and Gentile said many people have an incorrect view of Al-Jazeera.

They also explained the difference between Al-Jazeera.com and Al-Jazeera.net. According to both, the two Web sites are separate news sources. Al-Jazeera.net is the news organization, while Al-Jazeera.com is not. Al-Jazeera, a Qatar-based network, is named after the Arabic word for peninsula.

"Everybody thinks - even some faculty - that Al-Jazerra is where you go to see people getting their head chopped off," Gentile said. "But that's just not true."

Students said they enjoyed Rushing's speech.

"I found it very intriguing to listen to a person whose views changed so much over a short period of time," said Summer Simpson, a second-year graduate student in the master's of arts in film and video program, in an e-mail. "I think Mr. Rushing represents a role model American citizen, one who is informed and stands up for his views, but can be diplomatic about his views."

Rushing explained how Al-Jazeera is an international media station that has headquarters in Washington, London, Qatar and Kuala Lumpur.

Joseph Alfred, a sophomore in the School of Public Affairs, said the speech changed his view of Al-Jazeera.

"It changed my perspective because I thought it took only an Arab viewpoint, instead of a plurality of viewpoints," he said.

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p.s. Mods-I own the righs to it and that is why I can republish it with no problems. Thank you.

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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:03 pm

Quoting Plateman (Reply 15):

well quoted, hehe, before we all start saying "violent media supporting jihadist activities", might wanna learn about it a bit, everyone has to realize that its an alternative news source, something with "worthwhile" news, with women anchors on TV, yes (surprising) and professional as any news media outlet. The news is supposed to do one thing and that is to report what they see, Al jazeera takes you indepth to places that most western news organizations dont go and simply cant access, thus bringing to us a new perspective. You watch the news and then make up your own mind, i do think the news is there to tell us okay this is what is happening, and thats the only side of the story. I personally dont have Al Jazeera, infact ive given up on all news, Im sick and tired of what i see everyday, i just read a couple of links on the Internet, because practically everything that is occurring globally are the same problems everytime, and im tired of listening to whats happening to Paris Hilton, infact its become so bad that Mongolian American newspapers have started reporting about her.
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:15 pm

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 16):
Al jazeera takes you indepth to places that most western news organizations dont go and simply cant access, thus bringing to us a new perspective.

I "don't go and can't access" a sewage treatment plant either, but I don't need that perspective to know what goes on there.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:20 pm

Quoting Queso (Reply 17):
I "don't go and can't access" a sewage treatment plant either, but I don't need that perspective to know what goes on there.

true, quite true, but there are those who want that, as i said im tired of the news, its a bunch of worthless crap which i have no use for anymore, its not informative anymore.
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:20 pm

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 11):
Ive read that one, i think thats what my family suscribes to over there, is that the number one readership in India

It is.
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:23 pm

It started here recently and I haven't really watched it, but from what I have seen they are trying to be BBCish. Looks like they have poached some people from other networks too, I saw Riz Kahn the other day. If I watch any news channel at all it is Sky.
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:04 pm

Quoting Queso (Reply 13):
Islamic Jihadist propaganda organization. Here's proof.....

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WHAT "proof" ??? elJazeera is secularist in outlook and NOT what you call "Jihadist"
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Quoting Andz (Reply 20):
from what I have seen they are trying to be BBCish

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the reason for that simply is that many of them ARE former BBC- people, and of course, that elJazeera is modelled along BBC lines
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:07 pm

Quoting Andz (Reply 20):
saw Riz Kahn the other day

he's a great journalist, he's like the Martin Bashir of ABC network, two similar Pakistanis.
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:07 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 13):
Bullshit

...what evidence do you have to the contrary?
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:48 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 23):
...what evidence do you have to the contrary?

I wasn't the one who made the original assertion of 100,000,000 households. What evidence do they have to support that claim? Let's see the latest Nielsen (or whatever might be a reputable third-party source) ratings for all English-speaking countries where AJ is available. Until they can show that, I call it bullshit.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:13 am

It's not about ratings. It's about availability.

And some people's opinions frighten me. Open your minds.
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:13 am

...so in other words, you have none.
Figured as much.  Yeah sure
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:15 am

...you look at how many providers you're available on. Then you add up how many subscribers these providers have. And then you have your availability. This is what 100m means.
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:01 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 24):
Let's see the latest Nielsen (or whatever might be a reputable third-party source) ratings for all English-speaking countries where AJ is available.

80 Million "unconfirmed" households, and an interesting overview of BBC World, France 24, and Al Jazeera. Of course, target audience and who's actually watching are two different things. Pretty much all viewership will be non US, as no one is really running AJE in the US. BBC "backs it up"

*unconfirmed is my interpretation of the source, as there is no specific source, just a number.

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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:44 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 5):
It's also in great company:
As stated, MSN is just as guilty at overrunning its primetime with OpEds; and the once-respectable CNN Headline now includes a celebrity gossip hour for cryin' out loud. So again, why isolate Fox?

I isolated Fox in my post as you had asked for a comparison between Al Jazeera and Fox (in your OP). If you want my opinions on CNN, Skynews, CCTV (English language Chinese TV news) and the BBC, the other satellite channels we get here I can give you those as well.

For a start, I agree with an earlier poster, CNN has dropped the ball majorly in the level of quality in its news coverage of late. Its getting as fluffy as FOX, though with a worse graphics package.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:55 am

I can't comment on the English version, because I don't receive it where I live. However, I've seen the Arabic version of Al Jazeera in Palestine. Even though it was difficult for me to understand, it wasn't hard to see the heavy bias against the West in the particular broadcasts I watched. In fact, they didn't report on anything other than the fighting between the Muslim extremists and the West.

That being said, it would be ignorant to state that western news agencies do not target specific audiences to boost ratings. However, compared to what I've seen of Al Jazeera, they don't often "cross the line".
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:25 pm

Quoting TheCol (Reply 30):
seen the Arabic version of Al Jazeera in Palestine. Even though it was difficult for me to understand, it wasn't hard to see the heavy bias against the West in the particular broadcasts

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I have seen it on both my last visit to Beirut and the last visit to Tunis, and I did NOT see any "bias against the West", I did rather see a pro-West stance in general
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:46 pm

Here's what they are:

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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:00 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 32):
Here's what they are:


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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:40 pm

Quoting GoAround (Reply 25):
It's not about ratings. It's about availability.

When Rushing spoke to my class he talked about this. Al-Jazzera English is only broadcast in the US in some really town in Maine and the Pentagon
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:39 pm

As an expat living in Germany I can say that it is the best source of news I can find on TV. It is far more intersting and in depth than CNN, Sky or the BBC. And I very rarley find any sort of bias whatsoever. And when there is it is uasually when interviewing people on the street or a certain guest with the agenda. Which is ok to me because I want to see all sides and understand how other people think also. I see no agenda from the station itself. And I watch it everyday.

If you can find it,watch it. I think that you find it just the same as me. If you have never seen it I do not possibly see how one could have an opinion.
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:51 pm

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 28):
*unconfirmed is my interpretation of the source, as there is no specific source, just a number.

Interesting numbers, thanks for digging those up. May be it's just the way it was worded....

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
Heard on Air America that the English broadcast itself was celebrating the milestone of their 100millionth household.

....seems very misleading to me, it's as if each of those "households" were actually watching AJ (I know it doesn't actually say that). I wish we really had some hard numbers (such as Nielsen ratings) to see how many of those households are actually watching. I'd bet it's in the decimal percentages, i.e. 0.8%.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:58 pm

Quoting Levent (Reply 6):
In my place I receive BBC World, CNN, Fox and Al Jazeera in English. I think that the best two of those are BBC and Al Jazeera. CNN used to be very good but their quality has dropped considerably. Fox... well, I won't even comment on them. BBC and Al Jazeera give full news coverage and it is interesting to compare both in terms of angles and viewpoints.

 checkmark ...BBC and Al Jazeera are two new sources I use the most as "general" news....but I use other news sources to to get "various views".......

Quoting Queso (Reply 13):
Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Islamic Jihadist propaganda organization. Here's proof.....

.... sarcastic ..... blockhead 

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 16):
Quoting Plateman (Reply 15):

well quoted,

... checkmark ....most people have a closed and biased view on Al Jazeera....but what's new there?

Quoting Queso (Reply 17):
Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 16):
Al jazeera takes you indepth to places that most western news organizations dont go and simply cant access, thus bringing to us a new perspective.

I "don't go and can't access" a sewage treatment plant either, but I don't need that perspective to know what goes on there.

...its great to know society has closed-minded people such as you... sarcastic 

..do you still believe the earth is flat or the moon is made form blue cheese?

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Quoting Queso (Reply 13):
Islamic Jihadist propaganda organization. Here's proof.....

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WHAT "proof" ??? elJazeera is secularist in outlook and NOT what you call "Jihadist"
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 37):
most people have a closed and biased view on Al Jazeera....but what's new there?

Indeed.

Something I should've included in the OP, is:
How many of you opining here have actually watched an Al Jazeera broadcast, and not through a third-party medium, for yourself?
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:39 am

Personally I enjoy Al-Jazeera and use it as one of my news sources (along with the BBC, France 24 and others). If you're used to BBC World the outlook isn't actually that different with maybe a little more attention paid to Africa than Europe when compared to the BBC.
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:53 am

The English service of Al-Jazeera is a must for all those who are interested in Middle East news and politics.
I rate them equally with BBC but far better than CNN.They have done a great job.The fact that Algeria has banned them is a brillant example of independant reporting.
The new French service France 24 is not bad ,but needs still some better coverage and man-power onsite.
I never watch Fox TV neither Deutsche Welle TV ( too slow ,not indepth enough,not good on ME topics..)
Congratulations to their team -absolutely brillant job !
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:10 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 13):



Quoting Queso (Reply 17):

A few facts for you guys

1) Al Jazeera is the only news outlet in the Middle East that is relatively free from government intereference, although the govt. of Qatar (btw friendly with America and Israel) is a shareholder

2) Al Jazeera correspondants have been banned from other Middle Eastern states including Algeria and Bahrain due to their views shown about those nations governments

3) The world does not end at the Eastern Seaboard, a bit of knowledge and insight into the rest of it goes a long way
 
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RE: What Do You Think Of Al Jazeera?

Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:59 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10):
Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 9):
But news is getting boring now

Try listening to the News Tv channels out here,discussing weird issues from Spooks to quarelling Neighbours

MEL..when did you move to The States??  Smile
Work hard fly right..don't understand it

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