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Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:01 pm

21 June 2007


Hello everyone!!

I was just descharged from the hospital Today (21 Jun) after being admitted last week Friday early AM.....
I suffered a rapid irregular heartbeat which was determined to be Atrial Fibrulation caused from Sleep Apnea.... I am now the proud new owner of a full BiPap Mask that aids me in breathing at night. Apparently my oxygen saturation in my blood while I was asleep or trying to sleep was dropping to between 50-60.....Awake I was 94-97......

Last nite I had an observerd sleep test and it was determined that I do in fact have Sleep Apnea. Sleep Apnea is where your breathing becomes blocked off due to the relaxation of the muscles or any fatty tissue in and aroud the trachea. This is treated by wearing a mask over the nose or nose and mouth whilst the machine pumps in air constantly to inflate your airway and keep you from, well, dying or developing high blood pressure or having a stroke...Interestingly enuff, Sleep Apnea also causes weight gain, not to mention sleeping in places during teh day which you dont want to like work or worse driving.

I spent the first two nites in the Critical Care Unit but by Sunday after noon I was moved to the regular Medical floor....

I was discharged today and altho its good to be home I am just beside myself. I feel kind of scared as I am now faced with a condition and a cure that I will most likely have to live with for the rest of my life.

Can anyone here relate to this? Are there any of you that also suffer from Sleep Apnea? Id like to hear any other input...

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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:11 pm

My boss has sleep Apnea, however he had surgery to treat it so he didn't have to dick with the mask and such.
 
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:00 pm

I have it, and use a CPAP. I've have used it for just over 11 years. My quality of life increased significantly after I started using it. The good thing is the cost of them has come way down over the years. The first one I got was over $2500, now they can be had for $2-400. The bad part is, is the sleep study. If I need to get a new one, I need to get an expensive sleep study. Insurance didn't cover the costs last time I had it done.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:21 am

I've had the CPAP for a couple of years now. I used it regularly at first but have had a hard time using it lately. It feels like I am suffocating with it on. I probably need the air volume changed or maybe just a different mask. I've put off making an appointment because I don't want to do another sleep lab right now. How I got the thing was kind of funny...My wife had been having problems sleeping so her doctor sent her to a specialist. I went along for support. The doctor asked her about her sleeping habits, like do you snore, are you always moving around are you always tired...she said no but my husband does to all the questions. Needless to say, two weeks later I was in for my own sleep lab where it was decided I need the machine.
Does anybody know if they can make adjustments to the CPAP without doing another lab?
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:34 am

My father has sleep apnea and uses a CPAP.... he has had it for the past 5-6 years. AFAIK it has helped him, but at the sametime he got diagnosed with the sleep apnea he was recovering from a severe case of Epstein-Barr virus which did quite the number on him.

Honestly if the device works for you, and you get better sleep each night then go for it. There are a lot more people out there using a CPAP than you would think. Just sit around an airport and you'd be surprised at the number of folks carrying them around.


Best of luck and I hope you feel better.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:55 am

One of our friends had it & didn't know. He died from a stroke attributed to Sleep Apnea in December 2005.

Fortunately, that opened my family's eyes. Both my parents had the overnight tests done soon after & they too were diagnosed with it & now have the CPAP machines.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:06 am

I "diagnosed" someone in the family with it and was spot on... Big grin My first real suspicion and it turned out to be right. He now wears a mask at night and the wife needed to get used to the lack of snoring right next to her.

So if you do snore a lot, it might be a sign that you have sleep apnea.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:22 am

I am finding that more and more people that I speak to have this.....I guess its not as uncommon as I thought....Its god to know there are others with the same situation, it makes me feel less like some sort of misfit.....
I am sure that it will take a while to get used to but its what has to be done....
Many thanks for all your replies.....

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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:50 am

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 7):
I am finding that more and more people that I speak to have this

I hope it's OK to ask you what happened to make you go to hospital- was there a problem that suddenly happened to you ? It interest me as I maybe have this problem also.

My wife is sure that I have this problem - I sleep badly (snoring, talking, even screaming ! and moving all the time) and often when I wake up I feel still very tired. Did you have the same problems as me ?

I think that more and more people are becoming aware of this problem, we have 2 good friends who sleep now with a mask for the same reasons.
 
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:57 am

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 8):
I hope it's OK to ask you what happened to make you go to hospital- was there a problem that suddenly happened to you ? It interest me as I maybe have this problem also.

Often times if it's obstructive sleep apnea, you may find yourself waking up a lot in the middle of the night. Next time, have your wife take note to see if your breathing becomes really shallow or even stops, since that's the apnea part of it. Snoring doesn't mean that you have sleep apnea. If not try some things to relieve your snoring like snore strips, decongestants, sleeping position, etc; and have your wife keep track if shes getting woken up by your snoring.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:01 am

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 9):
Often times if it's obstructive sleep apnea, you may find yourself waking up a lot in the middle of the night.

This is interesting, as in fact I rarely wake up during the night (even if my sleep is very perturbed).

Thanks for your advice !
 
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:04 am

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 10):
This is interesting, as in fact I rarely wake up during the night (even if my sleep is very perturbed).

Here's the thing though. A lot of times we wake up in the middle of the night and go back to sleep and have no recollection of it the next morning. Especially if it's a mild sleep apnea or even just simple snoring. See if trying to limit the snoring helps you.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:11 am

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 11):
See if trying to limit the snoring helps you.

This seems to be my biggest problem, and is one of the reasons that my wife thinks that I should go to have the hospital tests done. I am starting to worry that one day I will just not wake up, especially as I read more and more articles about this subject, and it seems to be a real problem area.
 
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:16 am

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 12):
I am starting to worry that one day I will just not wake up, especially as I read more and more articles about this subject, and it seems to be a real problem area.

Then go see a doctor if it would make you feel better about it. I'm pretty sure they will try to rule out other causes before moving on to OSA.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:13 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 1):
My boss has sleep Apnea, however he had surgery to treat it so he didn't have to dick with the mask and such.

I have Apnea. Here's a little something interesting about it, and this is important.

If you have Apnea, and hold a pilots license like I do, you HAVE TO use a mask and equipment with memory cards that can be uploaded to your Dr. to confirm that you are using it to continue to hold your medical ticket.

This is an important fact for those pilots considering surgery. You CANNOT have surgery for Apnea as usually fixes your problem, but immediately voids your medical ticket. The FAA will NOT approve surgery for Apnea as a cure for Apnea. This is for ALL classes of medical tickets. Don't ask me why, but this is what AOPA and the FAA say about it. The mask, as a pain that it is, is the only way for a pilot with Apnea to sleep well.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 5:21 am

Quoting Access-Air (Thread starter):
Atrial Fibrulation

This is a nasty arrhythmia and can lead to stroke if untreated. I hope your doctors are treating more than the sleep apnoea

Quoting Access-Air (Thread starter):
Apparently my oxygen saturation in my blood while I was asleep or trying to sleep was dropping to between 50-60.....Awake I was 94-97......

94-97 is still a bit low, do you smoke?
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 5:54 am

Had it, had the CPAP too and could not stand it. When they tested me they siad on the scale of moderate to severe I was an "Oh my f**^&^ing God".

I had a 3 part operation that addressed all the causes except one my weight.

I had a broken nose at some point that left me with a deviated septum, I never had my tonsils taken out, and my soft palate was an issue. The operations addressed all of those things and I now sleep like a log after losing 20 pounds.

Before is was irratable, fatiqued all the time, and just never felt good. The CPAP helped a lot, but my lifestyle just does not lend to such a regimin. It was a battle to get my HMO to apprve everything, but they did, and now I feel better than I have in a decade.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 14):
The FAA will NOT approve surgery for Apnea as a cure for Apnea.

That is strange, especially since I am completely cured, as long as I keep the weight off that is. Apnea can be cause by a lot of things, many of which are reversable.

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 13):
Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 12):
I am starting to worry that one day I will just not wake up, especially as I read more and more articles about this subject, and it seems to be a real problem area.

Then go see a doctor if it would make you feel better about it. I'm pretty sure they will try to rule out other causes before moving on to OSA.

Please just go in, if they suspect Apnea, all you do is stay the night in a sleep lab and they will know all they need to know. No big deal at all.

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 7):
I am finding that more and more people that I speak to have this.....I guess its not as uncommon as I thought....

Being overweight is sometimes all it takes. Just another reason to not let yourslef get that way.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:03 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 16):
That is strange, especially since I am completely cured, as long as I keep the weight off that is. Apnea can be cause by a lot of things, many of which are reversable.

I know.. but, we're talking the government here... where nothing makes sense!! The only thing I could imagine is that there is no way to monitor this in a continuous method. Continuous sleep monitoring sessions could be prohibitively costly, while wearing a mask with a memory card that records sessions nightly proves at least something..

I wish I could have had the surgery, but (1) The FAA said no, (2) the Doctor I went to at the best rated sleep center in Nashville said he doesn't recommend surgery over the mask, and (3) most importantly, the wife said no!!

I'm glad it worked for you, I wish I could have had the surgery, however, I've still noticed great improvement in sleep and awakeness during the day... I still don't like lugging the machine around and the trouble of wearing a mask, but it works great, wife now sleeps, I still can fly, and it puts to rest a lot of issues that could come with Apnea.


On a side note, was it painful? I heard it is a pretty unpleasant experience...
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:16 am

Hasn't a new drug been recently approved for Sleep Apnea? I could have sworn I just saw a thing on TV about it, a little more than a week ago.
 
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:19 am

There is a lot of useful information from everyone above - thanks. One question I have about the mask - do you have to use it every night, and what happens if you are sleeping in a plane, do you use it as normal ?
 
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:28 am

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 19):
One question I have about the mask - do you have to use it every night

Yes..

No mask=equals no relief... using the mask over time does NOT improve your apnea. It's wear the mask or sleep poorly. Now, will one, two, or even a week of sleeping without the mask lead to anything? Probably not, except for a lot of lost sleep. And trust me, you WILL know after just one night of not wearing it how much you miss it!!!

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 19):
and what happens if you are sleeping in a plane, do you use it as normal ?

Well, if you don't wear it, and you snore a lot, you probably will keep everyone around you up! However, strapping that thing on probably will freak some people out... I've never had the reason to wear it on a plane. I'd just leave it off for that flight and not scare anyone, especially kids... besides that, you need A/C power to use most of them unless its has a battery backup up.. but just hooking the machine, mask, and hose up really, really would be a pain unless you had the entire row to yourself.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:36 am

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 20):
Well, if you don't wear it, and you snore a lot, you probably will keep everyone around you up!

Thanks for your explanations, this is very clear (and I agree about not frightening the other passengers !). . In fact, I never seem to snore when I sleep in a plane, only when I am in bed ! It sounds that the mask is quite big and difficult to wear, I am not sure how I would like to wear it. But if it improves the quality of my sleep, then that is important. Also, I heard that in some cases you risk dying in your sleep without the mask, maybe only in extreme cases.
 
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:57 am

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 21):
In fact, I never seem to snore when I sleep in a plane, only when I am in bed !

Thats because, and it's hard to picture here, sleep apnea occurs when a piece of your throat closes your wind pipe. Thats where the weight thing comes into play.. the more mass the more easy it is to press on your pipe... when you are sleeping in a chair, such as an Airplane seat that isn't fully reclined, the pipe isn't as easily blocked. Thats what surgery does, it removes this extra flesh and stops the blockage.

The mask isn't big. There are different types.. do some homework, google 'cpap masks' and you will see all the different types. I have the one that just covers my nose. I have a friend that has a nose and mouth mask, and another that just has the type that basically has two small hoses that set at the end of his nose. It's just what your prefer, and/or what your Dr. advises. It's easy to wear, just inconvenient to lug the machine around when you travel. The biggest downside is that if you like to sleep on your stomach, forget it. Thats out of the question.

As a bonus, if you call it that, I've been told that airlines don't count this as a carry on since its a medical machine. So if you just do carry on, don't worry about it being another piece. Also, most machines have humidifiers on them, which take water to work, but do make a great deal of difference.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:05 am

GuitrThree - thanks again for this advice. I now just need to arrange a visit to the doctor, my wife has been pushing me to do this for more than one year !
 
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:22 pm

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 8):
I hope it's OK to ask you what happened to make you go to hospital- was there a problem that suddenly happened to you ? It interest me as I maybe have this problem also.

Its perfectly okay to ask.....I was awakened at night with a rapid irregular heartbeat, speed between 135-148 beats per minute. It was determined that that I was suffereing from Atrial Fibrillation and the blood was not being pumped in its full eficiency and there was cause for concern that because that the blood that was not being pumped properly might cause blood clots that could cause a stroke. So in answer, I am also on TWO blood thinners as well as a medicine that regulates my heart beat. Thats in addition to the Blood Pressure Meds that I already take...
Yes, I am over weight but from what I hear, the Apnea is also a culpret in making you gain even more weight, which probabaly explains why ithas been so difficult to lose weight as of late.
No I dont smoke....how ever I grew up in a household where my Father smoked. I had asthma as a kid that follwoed me thru early adulthood...My last asthma attack was in 1991....I havent had once since....I have also never had my tonsils out. My doctors back then never saw it neccessary to take them out even tho whilst I was still in school I would have a yearly Strep infection in the autumn....



Quoting Andz (Reply 15):
94-97 is still a bit low, do you smoke?



Quoting Andz (Reply 15):
This is a nasty arrhythmia and can lead to stroke if untreated. I hope your doctors are treating more than the sleep apnoea

To answer both questions, No I dont smoke....and never have. The 94-97 level is what I am at normally when I am awak and its apparently acceptable with both doctors that were attending my case. Yes, I am also being treated as I said above, for the arythmia.
By the way, my arythmia from that night did not convert to normal sinus rythym until 24 hours later.....
One of the bad things is that until a certain of my blood thinners (Coumadin) converts to what they call a "therpeutic level" I must give myself Lovenox injections twice a day with a blood thinner. Its kind of freaky but it has to be done...And....I also have to make a trip to the hospital to have blood drawn EVERY Day until it does convert.
the I can stop the injections....

The worst crinkle is that if I ever fly, I have to lug around the machine with me...and at the moment, I am barred from flying as precaution because in the name of being safe, I am not allowed to take a nap or snooz without the mahcine on my face.....
I am hoping that I will be losing more weight and that my condition will improve as such that I dont have the Apnea working against my trying to lose the weight...

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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:11 pm

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 24):
The worst crinkle is that if I ever fly, I have to lug around the machine with me...and at the moment, I am barred from flying as precaution because in the name of being safe, I am not allowed to take a nap or snooz without the mahcine on my face.....
I never have a problem with that, that is being taking it on the plane. Once you get used to the machine, naps will become a thing of the past. Depending on your pressure, they even have a battery powered machine designed just for that purpose. It goes around your neck, and from what I hear, works pretty well. I travel 52 weeks out of the year, 50 not flying, but they are easy to transport, and I even have a back up machine in case something goes wrong with the other. It's not the end of the world, you'll get used to it. If you find any good tips on losing weight, let me know.

Edit: Forgot to mention, I tried using my machine on a trans-atlantic flight once in business class. The seats had 110 volt receptacles. Some machines don't work that great in flight due to the pressure differences. I couldn't sleep because of that, and that the air being blown in me was so dry, that well, things dried up. I now take the day time flights across the atlantic.

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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:44 am

Quoting KROC (Reply 1):
My boss has sleep Apnea, however he had surgery to treat it so he didn't have to dick with the mask and such.

I did this as well. Can't stand air blowing in my face while sleeping so CPAP was out of the question.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 17):
(2) the Doctor I went to at the best rated sleep center in Nashville said he doesn't recommend surgery over the mask,

Of course not, there's no recurring revenue for him that way. I have a pretty low opinion of the whole sleep specialist profession, IMHO they're mostly a bunch of quacks. When I went for my sleep study they gave me a pile of papers and asked me to sign them. One was an authorization to bill my insurance company for CPAP - before there was even a diagnosis! Needless to say it was never signed.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 17):
On a side note, was it painful? I heard it is a pretty unpleasant experience...

Not at all. In the past they used to pack the nose with gauze and it was pretty horrible when that came out as I understand it but now there are plastic splints that are sutured in place to hold the proper shape of things after surgery. It feels a bit strange when the splints come out but no pain whatsoever. Just shock that something that long was really shoved up your nose.

Regarding the FAA medical statements, I'm a bit skeptical. I know one guy who actually got his Class I back after having stents put in his heart. It took years of work and killed a few forests worth of paperwork but he managed it. I looked on the FAA site and found nothing to support this as well.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:04 am

For those that had the surgery, any changes in the voice? That's what one of the doctors said would be a side effect of the surgery.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:07 am

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 23):
now just need to arrange a visit to the doctor, my wife has been pushing me to do this for more than one year !

There's this standardized sleep pattern test when they attach you to EEG, ECG, monitor your eye movements, put this funny thing under your nose which is basically an air-flow meter for your breathing and also have night-vision videocamera attached high above the bed to monitor your body movements throughout the night and also microphone to record your snoring.
I've done it couple of times because of my sleep problems and it sucks, especially ait-flow meter under your nose is terribly annoying.
Anyway those of you who can go to bed in the evening and wake up no earlier than in the morning... you just don't realize how lucky you are.
 
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:17 am

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 26):
Of course not, there's no recurring revenue for him that way. I have a pretty low opinion of the whole sleep specialist profession, IMHO they're mostly a bunch of quacks.

Surgeries are always more complicated than putting on a mask. If something wrong happened in surgery, that would be an even bigger problem for everyone involved.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:55 am

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 27):
For those that had the surgery, any changes in the voice?

No change at all. I know several other people who've had the surgery as well and this is the first I've heard of this supposed side effect. Most likely FUD from a Doc who won't make money if you go for the surgery.

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 29):
Surgeries are always more complicated than putting on a mask. If something wrong happened in surgery, that would be an even bigger problem for everyone involved.

All true and I was well aware of this when I made the choice to have surgery. As I mentioned earlier, there is absolutely no way I could sleep with a CPAP so surgery was the only option for me. Again however, the sleep specialists don't do the surgery, an ENT does so a lot of what they say is colored by their desire to make money IMO.

In my case (and other people I've talked with have had similar experiences with multiple different doctors), there was an implicit expectation that CPAP is the only choice for treatment evidenced by the attempt to get me to sign authorization to bill my insurance before I had even seen the doctor! At this point, it shouldn't even be assumed that I would qualify for a sleep study, much less CPAP. Clearly there are some serious ethical problems in this branch of medicine.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:31 am

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 30):
In my case (and other people I've talked with have had similar experiences with multiple different doctors), there was an implicit expectation that CPAP is the only choice for treatment

Very true - I did not even know that surgery was an option....I guess that should have done some research myself already, but I am just at the start of deciding what to do and I have based my knowledge on what my general doctor said - there was no mention of operating. It seems that this is a complicated area and that I must be very careful about what I do.

If I have my tests in Paris, there is a long delay for the test (about 6 months) and there is a detailed document to complete first. Now I have read this thread, I think I will take the initial step and arrange an appointment at a hospital.
 
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:39 am

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 31):
I have based my knowledge on what my general doctor said - there was no mention of operating.

I am fortunate that my primary physician is very good about being open with all options. He'll freely give his opinion but he expects the patient to make their own, informed decision.

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 31):
Now I have read this thread, I think I will take the initial step and arrange an appointment at a hospital.

Good idea and good luck. It could save your life.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:42 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 28):
I've done it couple of times because of my sleep problems and it sucks, especially ait-flow meter under your nose is terribly annoying.

This is one reason I never went for a hospital test, it is not very pleasant and it also takes a long time to arrange

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 32):
Good idea and good luck. It could save your life.

Indeed ! and all the information on this thread has really made me decide that I must do something, in case I in fact do have a problem that must be treated.
 
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:37 pm

Is sleep apnea usually caused by being overweight? I am always had the idea that people with sleep apnea are overweight, is this a misconception?
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:44 pm

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 34):
Is sleep apnea usually caused by being overweight? I am always had the idea that people with sleep apnea are overweight, is this a misconception?

Not a misconception at all, it is caused by excess tissue in the throat closing the trachea during sleep. It isn't the only cause, however.

Many sufferers here have mentioned CPAP masks as a solution. Some years ago my company represented Sensormedics (Yorba Linda, CA) and they had a sleep diagnosis division. One of the devices that they had for assisting with sleep apnoea was like a gum guard that you wore in your mouth, it had upper and lower segments and the lower segment was attached in away that it brought the lowerr jaw forward slightly and could be adjusted to ensure airflow. I could never imagine sleeping with that thing in my mouth, but neither with a CPAP mask so I am not sure how successful this gadget was.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 28):
EEG, ECG, monitor your eye movements

EMG. Did they check for NPT too?  

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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:04 pm

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 34):
Is sleep apnea usually caused by being overweight? I am always had the idea that people with sleep apnea are overweight, is this a misconception?

Yes, It is a common misconception.....Its NOT ALWAYS because someone is overweight....My brother who is thin has Sleep Apnea and has to wear the CPAP thing too....
However, weight gain plus a myriad of other problems are a RESULT not a CAUSE for the Apnea.
I am finding out that more and more people that I encounter on a daily basis who are THIN have this problem...

Sometimes I get so frustrated when people simply put the blame on being overweight for every medical problem that arises. Unroftunately, with my situation I think that the Sleep Apnea is both a Cause and Result of my being overweight.
They are telling me that as soon as I use my BiPAP mask I should start noticing a difference....Time will tell

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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:49 pm

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 36):
They are telling me that as soon as I use my BiPAP mask I should start noticing a difference....

You will. It took me a few nights, after that it was a world of difference.

I remember my senior year of high school, I would wake up, and with my mouth being dry, the parts that closed up during the night would stick together even after I woke up. It would take me a minute or so to get it unstuck, and then be able to breathe. I'm glad I don't have to go thru that anymore.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:52 am

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 26):
Not at all. In the past they used to pack the nose with gauze and it was pretty horrible when that came out as I understand it but now there are plastic splints that are sutured in place to hold the proper shape of things after surgery. It feels a bit strange when the splints come out but no pain whatsoever. Just shock that something that long was really shoved up your nose.

Ummm, I don't think you had surgery for Apnea.. at least the common one... the surgery you described is for a deviated septum, not Apnea. I actually had the same surgery 10 years ago, I couldn't breath thru one side of my nose until I had it fixed. A deviated septum WILL cause snoring, but it won't cause APNEA because you can still breath thru your mouth. Apnea is when you completely stop breathing.
Surgery for Apnea involves removing flesh deep in the throat, and really has nothing to do with the nose, and that's why its so painful, from what I've heard.

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 26):
I have a pretty low opinion of the whole sleep specialist profession, IMHO they're mostly a bunch of quacks.

Well, this coming from someone who diagnosed your deviated septum as Apnea, I can't argue with your opinion. I however, did a sleep study where they hooked me to 20 some monitors. The next morning I got to see on a chart where I was breathing for about 10 minutes during a 1 HOUR period. I saw my oxygen levels drop from high 90's to low 70's. I saw where my eyes were rapidly moving side to side. I saw my chest rapidly "go out" while my stomach area was "going in." It was eye opening. Especially the part where I only was breathing for 10 minutes... I would breath for about 10 seconds, then stop for 30, breath again for about 10, stop for 30, over and over for a full hour. Scary.

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 26):
Regarding the FAA medical statements, I'm a bit skeptical.

And you should be. I tried to find a source besides the AOPA article on this because it is available to only members, so I couldn't link it. I really couldn't find much so I went to the saved link I had and it was no longer working. So I researched "apnea" again on AOPA, and now the site is saying surgery is allowable, if the Doctor provides documentation that the surgery was a success. I'd post that stuff, but it is copyrighted and thats a no no. So, at least that worry is now gone.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:46 am

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 38):
Ummm, I don't think you had surgery for Apnea.. at least the common one... the surgery you described is for a deviated septum, not Apnea.

You are correct, I actually had three separate procedures done at once. I think the main thing on the apnea was trimming of the uvula. Of course, the first time I heard this term I'll have to admit it sounded more like something an OB-GYN would do than an ENT.  Smile

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 38):
So, at least that worry is now gone.

Good news that common sense can prevail at times, even in the US government.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:51 am

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 26):
I did this as well. Can't stand air blowing in my face while sleeping so CPAP was out of the question.

Not much of a mid night mood enhancer either if you know what I mean. The wife said the whole Darth Vader thing just didnt work.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 17):
On a side note, was it painful? I heard it is a pretty unpleasant experience...

You are down 2-3 weeks. The septum thing really hurt bad right off, but the rest was a constant high level of pain for the first 2 weeks that the Lortab takes care of, except when it is wearing off. The last half hour before the next dose kinda sucks. Tried to rush it, bad bad idea.

As for food you start out on a liquid diet, then move to soft food. I didnt have real food for almost the whole 3 weeks. The whole ice cream thing, what a LIE! Hurt like hell to eat or drink really cold stuff. Lost 10 pounds.

As for pain management, Morphine first day, then 300 doses of liquid Lortab over the next couple weeks. By the end of week three you are on tylonol 3 or something.

Would I do it again? Hell YES! I have not felt this good since my 20s.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:34 am

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 39):
Of course, the first time I heard this term I'll have to admit it sounded more like something an OB-GYN would do than an ENT.

Me too!! "Deviated what? I didn't know men had them..." was what I asked the doctor!

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 40):
You are down 2-3 weeks. The septum thing really hurt bad right off, but the rest was a constant high level of pain for the first 2 weeks that the Lortab takes care of, except when it is wearing off.

Yep.. now that's more like what I've heard... I was lucky enough to have the splints on my nose too, they were just starting to be used and it was almost nothing, except for that snot thing and then when he went into clean out my nose with that vacuum thing (thats another story in itself!) But wow.. 3 weeks of hell -vs- wearing a mask the rest of your life and no pain.. but still the hope that if I lose enough weight that it might go away...

Thats a tough choice.

I do know, like you, however, I've been sleeping better than I have in a long time (have had the mask since last September).
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:42 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 40):
You are down 2-3 weeks. The septum thing really hurt bad right off, but the rest was a constant high level of pain for the first 2 weeks that the Lortab takes care of, except when it is wearing off. The last half hour before the next dose kinda sucks. Tried to rush it, bad bad idea.

Wow, very different from my experience. I did my surgery on a Thursday as I recall and was back at work first of the next week with no issues.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 40):
As for food you start out on a liquid diet, then move to soft food. I didnt have real food for almost the whole 3 weeks. The whole ice cream thing, what a LIE! Hurt like hell to eat or drink really cold stuff. Lost 10 pounds.

They told me to expect some problems with solid food but said it wouldn't hurt to try. I tried the day after surgery and had no problems.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 40):
As for pain management, Morphine first day, then 300 doses of liquid Lortab over the next couple weeks. By the end of week three you are on tylonol 3 or something.

Again, different for me, I think I took Lortab for 2-3 days max. I don't know if this is the whole difference but the ENT who did my surgery used a laser technique that was supposed to give faster recovery.

This part we shared the same experience on.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 40):
Would I do it again? Hell YES! I have not felt this good since my 20s.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:45 am

I have severe sleep apnea. Although my oxygen saturation rarely dropped below 75%, I wasn't sleeping during most of the night. Recently I switched from a nasal mask to a full face mask. My pressure has remained steady at 14-15 cm of water and I've been told that surgery is probably not necessary even though I have a slightly deviated septum.

My symptoms were abnormal so I had the problem for almost eight years before I was finally diagnosed. It wasn't until I started having short-term memory loss that I finally sought a sleep study. The memory loss was so bad that I could walk the 100 feet from the front desk of the library to my office and forget the conversation I had just had with a colleague. I was dealing with other side effects as well, none of which were tied together by any of my doctors.

So it's important that if you think you aren't sleeping well, you need to follow up with a sleep specialist, not just a regular doctor - someone who can look at the complete picture and adequately analyze the results of sleep study.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:12 am

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 38):
Ummm, I don't think you had surgery for Apnea.. at least the common one... the surgery you described is for a deviated septum, not Apnea.

Deviated septum is a major cause of sleep apnea.

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 42):
Again, different for me

Sounds like you simply had a soft pallet procedure. Consider yourself very very lucky.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 41):
3 weeks of hell -vs- wearing a mask the rest of your life and no pain.. but still the hope that if I lose enough weight that it might go away...

Yes, sleep apnea is like a plane crash ironically, there are ususally several causes adding up to have enough of an effect to create the condition.

Deviated septum
Soft pallet
Tonsils/adenoids still there
Overweight (especially for people who carry weight on thier chin)

Usually it is more than one cause. I had to deal with all 4.
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RE: Sleep Apnea, Do You Have It?

Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:32 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 44):
Sounds like you simply had a soft pallet procedure. Consider yourself very very lucky.

Deviated septum, trimming of the uvula, removal of tonsils and something with adenoids.
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