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Population Of Australia Tops 21,000,000

Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:41 pm

29 June 2007 at 21:35:16 (Canberra time), the resident population of Australia is projected to be:

21,000,001

This projection is based on the estimated resident population at 31 December 2006 and assumes growth since then of:
one birth every 1 minute and 56 seconds,
one death every 3 minutes and 59 seconds,
a net gain of one international migrant every 3 minutes and 15 seconds leading to
an overall total population increase of one person every 1 minutes and 45 seconds.
These assumptions are consistent with those used for Series A in Population Projections, Australia, 2004-2101 (cat. no. 3222.0) with adjustments made for an increase in net overseas migration (NOM) due to the introduction of an improved method of estimating NOM.

See what we have reached now.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs%4...25faaca2568a900154b63?OpenDocument

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Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:47 pm

Quoting BNE (Thread starter):
Ok; so if you live in the US you probably think; is that all.

Not just in the US.  Wink

Actually, if you ever read Nevil Shute's book In the Wet, you'd have seen even someone as eminent as he get it hopelessly, horribly wrong!
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Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:59 pm

You're catching up.

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Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:47 pm

It's amazing that a country with less people than Southern California produces so many notable people.

I mean, per capita, the number of world-famous celebrities and athletes has got to be higher than any other country.

Isn't Australia always in the top five of medal grabbers at the Olympics?
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RE: Population Of Australia Tops 21,000,000

Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:52 pm

Quoting Kieron747 (Reply 2):
You're catching up.

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Oi - they're the second largest nation on earth and only have 10 million more. There's only so many people we can fit into the world's 6th biggest.

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 3):
Isn't Australia always in the top five of medal grabbers at the Olympics?

Hehe, well we *do* try.  Wink

Well done Australia - clearly that viagra they've been secretly putting in the water supply has done its job!

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Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:59 pm

There was a big write up in the West Australian yesterday about what the census said about Australia, all very positive stuff too.

And how its great that the country has expanded so much, also spoke about the richest states, higest income state, biggest houses and happiest state.
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Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:10 am

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 3):
Isn't Australia always in the top five of medal grabbers at the Olympics?

lol I don't think so though we do excel in other sports
 
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Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:16 am

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 6):
lol I don't think so though we do excel in other sports

Oi! 4th in Sydney AND Athens.

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Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:26 am

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 6):
though we do excel in other sports




 Wink

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Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:37 am

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 3):
I mean, per capita, the number of world-famous celebrities and athletes has got to be higher than any other country.

Isn't Australia always in the top five of medal grabbers at the Olympics?

I believe the stats are we (Australians) produce 15 - 17 times per capita the number of both Olympic medals and Hollywood celebrities as the United States.
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Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:40 pm

Quoting Kieron747 (Reply 8):

Didn't the Aussies just hammer you lot 5-0 in the Ashes?
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Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:56 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 4):
Well done Australia - clearly that viagra they've been secretly putting in the water supply has done its job!

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Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:12 pm

Quoting BNE (Thread starter):

Ok; so if you live in the US you probably think; is that all.

We Californians are thinking just that  Silly

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 3):

Isn't Australia always in the top five of medal grabbers at the Olympics?

Summer, not winter.
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Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:14 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
Summer, not winter.

Nobody really cares about the winter olympics anyway  Wink
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RE: Population Of Australia Tops 21,000,000

Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:29 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 13):
Nobody really cares about the winter olympics anyway

Big talk coming from a County that pretends it is a Country with no Olympic team.  Silly
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RE: Population Of Australia Tops 21,000,000

Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:33 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 10):
Didn't the Aussies just hammer you lot 5-0 in the Ashes?

Look - we don't actually have to remind them of this on a near daily basis.

They just know.  Smile

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Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:40 am

But the continent only supported a tiny number of humans before white people arrived on the scene. I keep hearing terrible stuff about water shortages in QLD, and that Perth is in an even more precarious situation, it may one day be abandoned.

So I'm pleased for Oz if this makes the country proud etc (and no question that Aussies punch above their numbers in sport, Hollywood etc) - but can the land actually support this many people for a sustained period, and if it can (fingers crossed), how many more before water and resources IS a problem?
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Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:00 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 16):
But the continent only supported a tiny number of humans before white people arrived on the scene. I keep hearing terrible stuff about water shortages in QLD, and that Perth is in an even more precarious situation, it may one day be abandoned.

There are water shortages...but with the mining boom in WA and elsewhere, they might just be able to desalinate the water like they do in the Middle East. So I dont think anybody will be abandoning PER anytime soon (and hope the property rates don't go down as well  Silly )
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RE: Population Of Australia Tops 21,000,000

Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:12 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 10):
Didn't the Aussies just hammer you lot 5-0 in the Ashes?

OK Graham your Scottish Nationalist stance is just plain boring now!

Where did Scotland end up in the game?

Reminds me of the Red Dwarf book where it talked about genetically engineered lifeforms, and the Scotland team engineered a goalkeeper who matched exactly the dimensions of the goal, a wall of human flesh to prevent any football from hitting the back of the net.

They still didn't qualify for the 2nd round.

Anyway, you won.

Now the PM is a scot.

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Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:17 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):

Ok; so if you live in the US you probably think; is that all.

We Californians are thinking just that

The 35 million people in the greater Tokyo area are laughing at both of you (truth be told, most of them would prefer 10 million fewer).
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Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:35 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 16):
and if it can (fingers crossed), how many more before water and resources IS a problem?

On this issue there has been decent rainfall on the eastern seaboard as well as regional areas in the last month

Quote:

A MONTH of extreme weather across the state has brought relief at last for Goulburn's 22,000 residents who for almost three years have endured tough water restrictions. But tomorrow the restrictions will be lifted after more than 170 millimetres of rain drenched the district.

The city, which has had the highest water restrictions - level 5 - since October 2004 was jubilant yesterday when it appeared that people would once again be able to have a good bath.

And more good rainfall may be on the way, with the weather bureau announcing yesterday that there are new signs a La Nina event is forming offshore. La Ninas - the cooling of the waters of the central and eastern Pacific - are the opposite of El Ninos, which are blamed for worsening droughts in eastern Australia.

The last El Nino was declared over in February.

In Goulburn, falls of 70 millimetres in the past three days have left the countryside awash, with dams overflowing on properties and the Wollondilly River bursting its banks after six years of drought.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/environme...land/2007/06/27/1182623992497.html
 
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Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:51 pm

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 3):
It's amazing that a country with less people than Southern California produces so many notable people.

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Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:14 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 19):
The 35 million people in the greater Tokyo area are laughing at both of you (truth be told, most of them would prefer 10 million fewer).

Oh yes, it's awful having a view of the ocean, and a garden. It's a living hell!

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Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:27 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 10):
Didn't the Aussies just hammer you lot 5-0 in the Ashes?

I suggest deletion of this post!!!!!!!!!!

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Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:00 am

Australias population is growing at quite a fast rate in historical terms. I am sure the Federal Government Baby Bonus (AUD5000 paid upon birth of child) is helping.

I believe Spain has just announced a similar programme
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Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:11 pm

Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 24):
I am sure the Federal Government Baby Bonus (AUD5000 paid upon birth of child) is helping.

They pay you to have a kid?, something they should consider in Russia
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Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:15 pm

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 25):
They pay you to have a kid?, something they should consider in Russia

Yep. It's $3000-$5000 I believe. We have an ageing population - the average age in Australia is something like 37 these days.

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Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:15 pm

Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 24):
Australias population is growing at quite a fast rate in historical terms. I am sure the Federal Government Baby Bonus (AUD5000 paid upon birth of child) is helping.

I believe Spain has just announced a similar programme

No it's still mainly immigration. Birth rate is still low in AUS due to unfavorable economics of having a family. Howard "baby bonus" is a fairly cynical drop in the bucket. Used to be the same here in France, then they introduced 6-9mths paid maternity leave. Now the birth rate is close to highest in Europe and at replacement level.
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Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:19 pm

Quoting BNE (Thread starter):
Ok; so if you live in the US you probably think; is that all.

Come talk to us when you hit 35 million.  Wink

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Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:35 pm

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 28):
Come talk to us when you hit 35 million.

With a population of 21 million, a land mass in excess of 7 million square kilometres, an average live expectancy of 80 and GNP per capita of around $35,000, not to mention the fact that we have a disproportionately high number of internationally celebrated artists and sportsmen as well as a general level of national fame unusual among nations of a similar size - I think we're ready to talk.  Wink

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Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:44 pm

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 27):
Birth rate is still low in AUS due to unfavorable economics of having a family

It may be low. But its higher than it was 10 years ago

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 29):
With a population of 21 million, a land mass in excess of 7 million square kilometres, an average live expectancy of 80 and GNP per capita of around $35,000, not to mention the fact that we have a disproportionately high number of internationally celebrated artists and sportsmen as well as a general level of national fame unusual among nations of a similar size - I think we're ready to talk.

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Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:17 pm

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 16):
But the continent only supported a tiny number of humans before white people arrived on the scene. I keep hearing terrible stuff about water shortages in QLD, and that Perth is in an even more precarious situation, it may one day be abandoned.

You are not wrong Cj! I really thought when we came to the end of the water that we chose to drink (Sydneys gutters take more water to the sea each year than goes into our main dam) that we would think of calling a halt.

Not a bit of it. This drought you see is caused by global warming due to CO2 emissions so to cope with it, we need desalination plants run on electricity generated by coal. But don't you worry about that, we will have clean coal in a couple of decades. Why, I have some coal now down in my garage that I am polishing and it is coming up looking really really clean!!


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Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:51 am

Out of curiousity, what was Australia's population at the last census? I thought it was already roughly 20 million or so five years ago.
 
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Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:04 am

Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 30):
Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 27):
Birth rate is still low in AUS due to unfavorable economics of having a family

It may be low. But its higher than it was 10 years ago

Point is, it's way below replacement level, so any growth is through immigration.
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RE: Population Of Australia Tops 21,000,000

Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:25 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 31):
This drought you see is caused by global warming due to CO2 emissions so to cope with it,

Oh please. The drought Australaia is experiencing was a classic El Nino. There is no link between global warming and the drought. Its a scare campaign (anyone remember the Y2K bug)

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 33):
Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 30):
Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 27):
Birth rate is still low in AUS due to unfavorable economics of having a family

It may be low. But its higher than it was 10 years ago

Point is, it's way below replacement level, so any growth is through immigration.

Seems like you are making things up This is from CIA World Factbook

Birth rate: 12.02 births/1,000 population (2007 est.)
Death rate: 7.56 deaths/1,000 population (2007 est.)
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Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:30 am

That's alot of ex-cons! Yes, the old gags are always the best!
 
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Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:21 am

Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 35):
That's alot of ex-cons! Yes, the old gags are always the best!

You're a disgusting individual. How do think an indigenous person would feel about such an offensive remark? To sum up an entire country with such a disgraceful comment effectively pours a bucket of excrement on 40,000 years of history, diminishing it in favour of your eurocentric notion of what constitutes Australia's origins. Those were your people you're talking about, and it was your transportation program. Any residual shame resides with the perpetrators of that vile practice - i.e. - you.

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Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:45 am

Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 35):
That's alot of ex-cons! Yes, the old gags are always the best!

What a stupid comment. What about all the immigrants from other parts of the world that make up this country (like me, for example)?
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Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:02 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 37):
What about all the immigrants from other parts of the world that make up this country (like me, for example)?

Apparently we don't factor in to G-CIVP's definitive interpretation of Australian history. I presume, any human societies that pre-date or have come after British transportation just don't count. Says a lot about him, don't you think?

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Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:17 pm

Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 34):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 31):
This drought you see is caused by global warming due to CO2 emissions so to cope with it,

Oh please. The drought Australaia is experiencing was a classic El Nino. There is no link between global warming and the drought. Its a scare campaign (anyone remember the Y2K bug)

Oh dear, all that irony run to waste together with the Sinney storm water. And that really IS clean coal, I am making it all the time. In the spirit of internationalism, that was not my local Bulli coal, but Massey Marfork coal from the E USA.

However, to turn met on you, I don't think it was a classic El Nino. There was an El N, but it was a very complex one. The E coast rains seem to have been due to relatively local high ocean temps. Jawa has had an unusually prolonged wet season and that occurred long before the transition from negative SOI values to the current marginal ones. And you might have seen that has been associated with the re-emergence of moist plumes streaming down from Indonesia over Australia for the past three months or so.

But yes, most of the drought was an El N phenomenon, however, I doubt it will go down in history as a "classic", more a complex one that might tell us a great deal more than if it had been a "classic" one.

However, my point underneath the lashings of irony was that if there is even a chance that we have a long term drying trend and it is associated with CO2, going to desal with more CO2 emissions is a very strange way to cope!
 
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Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:39 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 39):
"classic", more a complex one that might tell us a great deal more than if it had been a "classic" one.

Classic or Complex - lets agree that Australia's drought is a result of the El Nino phenomenon.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 39):
associated with CO2, going to desal with more CO2 emissions is a very strange way to cope

As for desal, I am all for it. Not sure if this is the case in all states but Bracksy stated that wind generation would be installed to counter the "footprint"(I hate that term) caused by the desal.

II read somwhere a big part of the problem with metro water supplies isnt the population growth (as this was accuratley estimated). The problem is the growth in households. The massive increase in the divorce rate has been put down as a signioficant factor to water shortage. More divorces = more households. 3 houses with 1 person use a lot more water than 1 house with 3 persons.
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Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:49 pm

Quoting CupraIbiza (Reply 40):
As for desal, I am all for it. Not sure if this is the case in all states but Bracksy stated that wind generation would be installed to counter the "footprint"(I hate that term) caused by the desal.

II read somewhere a big part of the problem with metro water supplies isnt the population growth (as this was accurately estimated). The problem is the growth in households. The massive increase in the divorce rate has been put down as a significant factor to water shortage. More divorces = more households. 3 houses with 1 person use a lot more water than 1 house with 3 persons.

I like that - it is probably easier to demonstrate that divorce causes a water shortage than to show that the SOI and rainfall are connected!

It is all very well for Bracksy to tell you that the wind generation will make up for desal's hoofprint, but without desal, it could make up for the naughty naughty brown coal power generation! Bring back John Monash I say. I suspect he would have commercialized Monash U's dewatering process long before now. For a long time if you wanted to see the Monash process working you had to go to Jawa to an experimental plant run by Dr B Daulay near Cirebon. Not sure they have a working plant in Vic even now.

And yes, I agree that the drought was related to El N, but I would like the met folk to explain the mechanism better. It is clear that Indian ocean conditions have as much as effect as the SOI. Have you noticed how far S the highs are tracking this winter and yet we have still had fierce westerlies in NSW?
 
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RE: Population Of Australia Tops 21,000,000

Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:40 pm

How many from India  Smile
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RE: Population Of Australia Tops 21,000,000

Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:34 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 42):
How many from India

Surprisingly few.

And as for this little furore...

Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 35):
That's alot of ex-cons! Yes, the old gags are always the best!

1. It's quite a funny joke. And 2. Victor Papa actually points out in the very next sentence he is joking. And yet we get...

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 36):
You're a disgusting individual



Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 37):
What a stupid comment.

So sensitive! I can't believe it! We all know, Victor Papa included, that Oz is full of talented and groovy people. Is such vitriol justified or necessary?! And, I thought "The Stain", as convict ancestory in the family tree is known in Oz, was fashionable these days.

And as for THIS litle gem...

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 36):
How do think an indigenous person would feel about such an offensive remark?

Well! I don't think an "indigenous person" could give a flying shit about a remark which is patently meant in good humour and is simply not offensive to anyone, by intent or by accident. Come on. Aborigines make up less than 1% of the population, so rambling about 40,000 years of history is pretty tenuous. The people who made that 40,000 years of history were all killed. The photo below is as far as Australia will acknowledge the previous occupants of the continent. Which is probably scant comfort to the few survivors of the most effective ethic cleansing in the history of the planet. I think the Aboriginal community are literally the only people in Australia the remark wasn't referring to, and of all the tragedy and hardship they have suffered from 1770 right up to the present day, a gag about convicts is right at the bottom of the list.

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Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:13 pm

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 43):
(Sorry to put a negative spin on an otherwise celebratory thread, but this kind of silliness cannot stand.)

What can I say except to ask what is grey, 700 feet long and beautiful?

Sort of puts the other side of the joke equation into balance.

BTB, the answer to the question is "a boat load of returning POMS". Dates the joke rather to pre 1965.
 
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Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:24 pm

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 43):
1. It's quite a funny joke.

To you, perhaps. Not to the subject of the "joke".

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 43):
And 2. Victor Papa actually points out in the very next sentence he is joking.

It's irrelevant. I would'nt make jokes about race or about genocide, 1) because it's wrong; and 2) I would be completely chastised. Even if he had kept his "joke" specifically to the actual descendants of convicts, the implication is that some sort of deviant character has endured and left its mark on contemporary Australia. So it would still be offensive.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 43):
Is such vitriol justified or necessary?!

Yes. There is a perception that Australia began in 1788 and was built by the British. That perception is false, and jokes that suggest that the entire population of Australia is descended from convicts is offensive to 40,000 years of indigenous history and the contributions made to Australia by immigrants and free settlers. It's as simple as that.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 43):
And, I thought "The Stain", as convict ancestory in the family tree is known in Oz, was fashionable these days.

Neither I nor Springbok are descended from convicts - so the "stain" has nothing to do with it. This is about the attempts of many Australians to end these ridiculous taunts and to recognise that Australia as a nation is rounded racially and historically.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 43):
Well! I don't think an "indigenous person" could give a flying shit about a remark which is patently meant in good humour and is simply not offensive to anyone, by intent or by accident.

The joke implied that 21million people were direct descendants of criminals. That is offensive. "Ex cons" I believe was the phrase used. Your comments are perpetuating a eurocentric attitude that is allowing a false and demeaning image of Australia to continue.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 43):
Aborigines make up less than 1% of the population, so rambling about 40,000 years of history is pretty tenuous.

That's an extremely dismissive attitude to take, quite exceptional really when one remembers you're talking about the indigenous culture of a foreign country. What gusto you have to try and lecture us, or to presume to speak for any Australian indigenous or otherwise. You are in no position to do so. Tell us what you think by all means, but don't dare to speak for Australians.

For you to dismiss the relevance of indigenous history to Australia as a whole proves the point I was making about eurocentrism.

After all - if they don't have a flag and speak english, they don't really count. Do they?

Well, Cedarjet - they do to me.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 43):
The people who made that 40,000 years of history were all killed.

Completely incorrect. The descendants of the first Australians are still alive and well, despite what British authorities started and the Australian government later carried on doing.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 43):
The photo below is as far as Australia will acknowledge the previous occupants of the continent. Which is probably scant comfort to the few survivors of the most effective ethic cleansing in the history of the planet.

Oh - so there ARE descendants of the first Australians from 40,000 years ago. It's pretty demented on your part to have a go at me for including the history of indigenous peoples into the overall historic timeline of my country after bemoaning a supposed (although falsely interpreted on your part) rejection of indigenous culture. Make up your mind.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 43):
I think the Aboriginal community are literally the only people in Australia the remark wasn't referring to

And yet, the "joke" was meant to target 21 million people - G-CIVP having obviously forgotten the fact that the overwhelming majority of Australians are descended from immigrants. Don't you understand that if the populist view of Australian history suggests that Australians are descended from convicts from your country, the significance of indigenous culture history and people to modern Australia is diminished?

All things considered, you have to remember that you're not an Australian and have no right to speak on behalf of anyone in this country. You contradict yourself, and demonstrate your complete ignorance of issues that you write a hell of a lot about. At the end of the day, you're defending your right to call us "convicts". It just doesn't cut it anymore.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 43):
(Sorry to put a negative spin on an otherwise celebratory thread, but this kind of silliness cannot stand.)

Heh - defending indigenous people and immigrants is "silly". Shows just how foreign you are.

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RE: Population Of Australia Tops 21,000,000

Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:07 pm

In the middle of all that sidetrack about which jokes were and were not permissible I was hoping to see this thread head off towards what the population of Aus SHOULD be.

Perhaps humour even impinges on that calculation. You could for example argue that a tolerant humour sharing culture could cope better with higher densities of population.

With some of the views previously expressed, it might be that Australia needs the "it's my quarter acre stay out of my backyard" function to be cranked (apposite
word methinks) up a bit when doing the calculations. Perhaps the earlier exchanges indicate that we are already overpopulated.

Or is it that the 21 million are a sufficient stress on resources that senses of humour are already being affected? I do hope this is not the case. Quite a number of us would have to leave.

Once again, have an hilarious night/morning folks. For those wishing to sample Aus humour at better than average quality for the previous week, Bruce Petty on Insiders for 8 July went through some great cartoons. You will find the Petty section close to the 50 minute mark on
http://abc.net.au/insiders/
Sorry I don't have the exact time, and I have erased my DVD of it where it was really easy to find but I did check that the link works. It seems from the cartoons that Petty presents, that Aus humour is alive, well and very robust. So maybe there is more hope for Aus "civilization" than we might think. That reminds me of the joke about the difference between yoghurt and.... But I must not go on!
 
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RE: Population Of Australia Tops 21,000,000

Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:36 pm

Wait until September 20 and there will be 21,000,001 Aussies. That is the date of my citizenship ceremony... Can't wait!!!  crazy  Tick, tick, tick...

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RE: Population Of Australia Tops 21,000,000

Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:57 pm

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 45):
Yes. There is a perception that Australia began in 1788 and was built by the British

Modern Australia was built by successive waves of immigrants and their descendants who became Australian. You can call the first ones British if you like, or you call them Australian (which has just as much merit). But to reject anything British so violently would come as something of a shock to the Australians of 100 years ago, who were proud of their link to the "mother country". Just because you have no link to Britain alters that not a bit, and the pride you have in your country needs also to reflect the origins of it as a nation, not just your own. Denying that modern Australia was created from 1788 onwards is simply idiotic, because modern Australia, rightly or wrongly (and most would say wrongly) owes very little to the 40,000 years of indigenous history.
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RE: Population Of Australia Tops 21,000,000

Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:15 pm

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 47):
Wait until September 20 and there will be 21,000,001 Aussies. That is the date of my citizenship ceremony... Can't wait!!!

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