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DC Madam List Is Out!

Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:05 pm

Her phone records are available for download here, and already scores of people are checking out the numbers...

First one to go: Sen. Vitter, R-LA

More sure to follow...stay tuned!
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:11 pm

Its really not anyone's business save for when they are telling others how to live their sex lives (a la Senator Vitter) while on the taxpayer's dime.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:12 pm

Quoting Mikey711MN (Thread starter):
Her phone records are available for download here, and already scores of people are checking out the numbers...

First one to go: Sen. Vitter, R-LA

More sure to follow...stay tuned!

So what? Why is it our business to know this stuff.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:13 pm

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 1):
Its really not anyone's business...

And here I was thinking prostitution was illegal...
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:21 pm

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 2):
Why is it our business to know this stuff.

Well, for starters, voters in Louisiana who elected him based on his professed values might otherwise have a second opinion now. Wouldn't you agree?

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 3):
And here I was thinking prostitution was illegal...

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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:30 pm

Just proves most politicians are lairs and low down dirty scoundrels.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:35 pm

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 4):
Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 2):Why is it our business to know this stuff.
Well, for starters, voters in Louisiana who elected him based on his professed values might otherwise have a second opinion now. Wouldn't you agree?

 rotfl 

When I made the very same argument on another thread dealing with the accusations of the mayor of Los Angeles cheating on his wife with a TV reporter, posters were coming out of the woodwork to loudly claim that whatever the mayor did on his own time was his own business.

Can't wait to see if those same people jump to defend Vitter. Anyone want to bet they don't?
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:37 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070710/ap_on_go_co/vitter_dc_madam


Sen. David Vitter, (R-La)

"Several years ago, I asked for and received forgiveness from God and my wife in confession and marriage counseling. Out of respect for my family, I will keep my discussion of the matter there --- with God and them. But I certainly offer my deep and sincere apologies to all I have disappointed and let down in any way."

What a f--king loser!
Apologizing for his "sins" once he was caught. I doubt Clinton could have swept that under the rug by saying it was a"sin". Is Vitters going to blame alcohol too?
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:39 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
Apologizing for his "sins" once he was caught. I doubt Clinton could have swept that under the rug by saying it was a"sin". Is Vitters going to blame alcohol too?

You are about to witness a whole bunch of I am sorry, blah blah blah comments from Capitol Hill.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:39 pm

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 3):
And here I was thinking prostitution was illegal...

So I wonder who is guilty here? Her for racketeering although she maintains her innocence or Vitter who was quick to show remorse once caught (along with 2 other consertivateive officials) ????
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:56 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 6):
When I made the very same argument on another thread dealing with the accusations of the mayor of Los Angeles cheating on his wife with a TV reporter, posters were coming out of the woodwork to loudly claim that whatever the mayor did on his own time was his own business.

The only difference, which is admittedly subtle, is that cheating is not technically illegal. But I think the point is still valid.

When in the public eye like politicians are, one is not limited to just abiding by the law, but also by a perceived moral code. The mayor of LA seemed to break only that. Sen. Vitter, and likely others as this all gets fleshed out, broke both.

What's interesting to me now is that ABC tried to poo-poo the story some time ago and claimed that no one of significance (read: congressmen, et. al.) were on the list, but upon its release in the first hour, already one showed up. My question then is who working for ABC is on the list?!?
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:59 pm

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 10):
What's interesting to me now is that ABC tried to poo-poo the story some time ago and claimed that no one of significance (read: congressmen, et. al.) were on the list, but upon its release in the first hour, already one showed up. My question then is who working for ABC is on the list?!?

Very good point, very interesting indeed. I am interested to see what transpires over the next few days with this.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:07 pm

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 2):
So what? Why is it our business to know this stuff.

Because it is illegal, unlike cheating on your wife with a free and willing participant. Well, looks like Mr. Jesus Freak Vitter is going down with this ship. Here's to Mitch perhaps joining his big sister on The Hill.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:37 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 2):
So what? Why is it our business to know this stuff.

Because it is illegal, unlike cheating on your wife with a free and willing participant. Well, looks like Mr. Jesus Freak Vitter is going down with this ship. Here's to Mitch perhaps joining his big sister on The Hill.

 rotfl  Just as I suspected.

Yes, prostitution is illegal, and cheating isn't.

But the common thread remains, what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms ought to be of no concern to the public. But only if you are a liberal democrat, right?
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:27 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 13):

Yes, prostitution is illegal, and cheating isn't.

But the common thread remains, what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms ought to be of no concern to the public. But only if you are a liberal democrat, right?

And liberal democrats don't claim to be protecting the sanctity of marriage by outlawing it for gays as many conservatives have tried to do. Vitter comes out as a hypocrite because he's claiming to protect marriage, and yet he cheated on his wife.

Quoting David Vitter:
: “This is a real outrage. The Hollywood left is redefining the most basic institution in human history, and our two U.S. Senators won’t do anything about it.

We need a U.S. Senator who will stand up for Louisiana values, not Massachusetts’s values. I am the only Senate Candidate to coauthor the Federal Marriage Amendment; the only one fighting for its passage. I am the only candidate proposing changes to the senate rules to stop liberal obstructionists from preventing an up or down vote on issues like this, judges, energy, and on and on.” stated David Vitter.

http://www.vitter2004.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=20

[Edited 2007-07-10 16:40:05]
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:36 am

First of all, let us hope that all disclosures are correct, I would hate for someone being accused of doing business with this madam and it not be correct. But if is correct - tough.
A certain base of Americans, mainly based on their religious faith, have always objected to prostitution mainly on moral reasons. There are also sound issues of pubic health, especially AIDS and other STD's that lead to continued illegality of prostitution. As to politicians using prostitution services, it is nothing new. Where the problems exists are as to if a 3rd party is paying for the services as a bribe, the compromise trust to family, spouse and the voters as well as violating a well established law.
 
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:56 am

Quoting Max999 (Reply 14):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 13):

Yes, prostitution is illegal, and cheating isn't.

But the common thread remains, what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms ought to be of no concern to the public. But only if you are a liberal democrat, right?

And liberal democrats don't claim to be protecting the sanctity of marriage by outlawing it for gays as many conservatives have tried to do. Vitter comes out as a hypocrite because he's claiming to protect marriage, and yet he cheated on his wife.

Ah, but the mayor of LA ran on a democratic version of "family values" during his election campaign.

Look - if you campaign for office with your spouse as part of the campaign, even though it might be nothing more than him/her standing by you, you are implicitly saying "vote for me because I believe in family values."

If you subsequently cheat on her - legally or illegally, as the case may be - you are a hypocrite. Whether you are a liberal democrat or conservative republican.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:02 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 13):
Yes, prostitution is illegal, and cheating isn't.

Adultery is still illegal but I haven't heard about it being prosecuted lately.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:05 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 16):
Look - if you campaign for office with your spouse as part of the campaign, even though it might be nothing more than him/her standing by you, you are implicitly saying "vote for me because I believe in family values."

It could also mean "I'm not a poor sod who can't get laid." or "Look at me! I'm straight!". Having a spouse standing next to you during your campaign says nothing about "family values".
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:13 am

Quoting Mikey711MN (Thread starter):
Her phone records are available for download here,

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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:21 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 18):
It could also mean "I'm not a poor sod who can't get laid." or "Look at me! I'm straight!". Having a spouse standing next to you during your campaign says nothing about "family values".

A valid point, but Halls' position is still pretty much dead on. Pretty much every candidate, whether implicitly or explicitly, runs on and stresses their character (read morals and honesty). To do anything else would be political suicide. So to then be caught fooling around, whether in a legal or illegal manner, makes them hypocrites. The Mayor is and Vitter is. I'll admit there is a certain amount of schadenfreude in Vitter's case, because he specifically campaigned on the anti-Gay Marriage platform and family values, but that doesn't mean I'll give a pass to either of our philandering west coast mayors either.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 20):
A valid point, but Halls' position is still pretty much dead on.

Let me ask you, when you see a husband and wife together, what's the first thing you think of? Is it "family values"? Really?
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:45 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 6):

When I made the very same argument on another thread dealing with the accusations of the mayor of Los Angeles cheating on his wife with a TV reporter, posters were coming out of the woodwork to loudly claim that whatever the mayor did on his own time was his own business.

One broke the law, the other didn't. Also, last I checked, Vitter wasn't separated from his wife.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 17):

Adultery is still illegal but I haven't heard about it being prosecuted lately.

Adultery is neither illegal in California or Louisiana. It is not even a legal basis for divorce in California.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:04 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 21):
Let me ask you, when you see a husband and wife together, what's the first thing you think of? Is it "family values"? Really?

If I see them on a platform and one of them is exhorting me to give them their support, then the message I'm getting is, "See I'm a stable family man/woman with all that implies, and here is my loving spouse/family to prove it". If I see them walking down the street, well, then the first thing I think of depends on what he looks like. . .  Wink
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:15 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 3):
Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 1):
Its really not anyone's business...

And here I was thinking prostitution was illegal...

Show me a straight man above the age of 30 who has never, and if it was just out of curiousity, used the services of a prostitute.  Yeah sure

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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:18 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 24):
Show me a straight man above the age of 30 who has never, and if it was just out of curiousity, used the services of a prostitute.

 wave 


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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:28 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 20):
schadenfreude

You get the gold star for today. Hell, make it a goldmedal .
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:35 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 24):
Show me a straight man above the age of 30 who has never, and if it was just out of curiousity, used the services of a prostitute.

I can show you a lot of them. It is illegal here in the US (except for the brothels in Vegas). Throwing it to a hooker is a good way to walk away with a drippy dong.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:42 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 24):
Show me a straight man above the age of 30 who has never, and if it was just out of curiousity, used the services of a prostitute.

I turn 30 tomorrow, and I am a straight male, so you can count me in then.

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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:44 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 23):
"See I'm a stable family man/woman with all that implies, and here is my loving spouse/family to prove it".

So that's the first thing you think of when you see Bill and Hillary up on the stage ... ? I'm really trying to grasp this, because the presence of a spouse doesn't automatically register with me all of the stability and values I'm hearing it does in others.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:55 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 27):
I can show you a lot of them. It is illegal here in the US (except for the brothels in Vegas). Throwing it to a hooker is a good way to walk away with a drippy dong.

Thus what Senator Vitters did was illegal because he paid for sex in the District of Columbia.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:57 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 27):
It is illegal here in the US (except for the brothels in Vegas)

Actually, it is illegal in Clark County.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:00 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 29):
So that's the first thing you think of when you see Bill and Hillary up on the stage ... ?

Just so we're clear, no, its not the first think I think of, because I don't as a rule judge people based on who they haul up on stage with them, so I don't really pay attention to who is on the stage beyond the candidate. However, if I do contemplate the presence of the spouse, then yes, that is the first message I take away. In Bill & Hill's case, it was especially so after the Monica affair. 'Here we are, we've had our problems, but see, we're still together, we're stable, we're trustworthy, if someone as smart as Hillary can forgive/trust me again, then you can too, etc.'
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:03 am

Bad news for the Senator...from an article a few years ago:

Quote:
Asked by an interviewer in 2000 whether she could forgive her husband if she learned he'd had an extramarital affair, as Hillary Clinton and Bob Livingston's wife had done, Wendy Vitter told the Times-Picayune: "I'm a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary. If he does something like that, I'm walking away with one thing, and it's not alimony, trust me."

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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:06 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 21):
Quoting Searpqx (Reply 20):
A valid point, but Halls' position is still pretty much dead on.

Let me ask you, when you see a husband and wife together, what's the first thing you think of? Is it "family values"? Really?

When I see any husband and wife together, do I automatically think "family values?" Of course not. Being straight, the first thing I'm doing is classifying the wife as to her potential MILF-ness.  duck 

Come on, we all do it.  biggrin 

When I see a politician standing for re-election, and he/she has her wife/husband standing up on the podium, I do think he/she is trying to send a "family values" message.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:13 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 32):
'Here we are, we've had our problems, but see, we're still together, we're stable, we're trustworthy, if someone as smart as Hillary can forgive/trust me again, then you can too, etc.'

Okay, I can buy that, that speaks of a person's character.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 34):
When I see a politician standing for re-election, and he/she has her wife/husband standing up on the podium, I do think he/she is trying to send a "family values" message.

How about all the politicians who are anarchists, childless, or support gay marriage? How can you point them out just by having a group of politicians standing on a stage with their spouses?
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Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 35):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 34):
When I see a politician standing for re-election, and he/she has her wife/husband standing up on the podium, I do think he/she is trying to send a "family values" message.


How about all the politicians who are anarchists, childless, or support gay marriage? How can you point them out just by having a group of politicians standing on a stage with their spouses?

What I'm talking about are situations like where a candidate - like my local Delegate - sends out campaign literature where the words "family values" are never mention, but current photos of him, his wife, and his daughter are prominently featured. You can't tell me that he isn't trying to send a subliminal message.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 33):
Bad news for the Senator...from an article a few years ago:

Quote:
Asked by an interviewer in 2000 whether she could forgive her husband if she learned he'd had an extramarital affair, as Hillary Clinton and Bob Livingston's wife had done, Wendy Vitter told the Times-Picayune: "I'm a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary. If he does something like that, I'm walking away with one thing, and it's not alimony, trust me."

Ruh roh!

 Wow!  Wow!  Wow!

As much as I don't like David Vitters, I would hate for something like that to happen to him.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:37 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 24):
Show me a straight man above the age of 30 who has never, and if it was just out of curiousity, used the services of a prostitute.

I have never used one and I am 35. I never plan on using one either. I am also straight and have had my share of girlfriends.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:47 am

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 33):
Bad news for the Senator...from an article a few years ago:

Quote:
Asked by an interviewer in 2000 whether she could forgive her husband if she learned he'd had an extramarital affair, as Hillary Clinton and Bob Livingston's wife had done, Wendy Vitter told the Times-Picayune: "I'm a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary. If he does something like that, I'm walking away with one thing, and it's not alimony, trust me."

Ruh roh!

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:58 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 36):
like my local Delegate - sends out campaign literature where the words "family values" are never mention, but current photos of him, his wife, and his daughter are prominently featured. You can't tell me that he isn't trying to send a subliminal message.

That's not what you said earlier, which is what I was questioning:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 16):
Look - if you campaign for office with your spouse as part of the campaign, even though it might be nothing more than him/her standing by you, you are implicitly saying "vote for me because I believe in family values."

There's a HUGE difference to simply standing by one's side and sending out campaign literature featuring your family.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 40):
There's a HUGE difference to simply standing by one's side and sending out campaign literature featuring your family.

C'mon Westy, you're splitting hairs. He didn't say standing by your side picking daffodils, he very clearly put it in context of campaigning:

Quote:
if you campaign for office with your spouse as part of the campaign.

The point is, when a candidate actively includes their spouse in the campaign, even if that inclusion is just 'stand by my side in public appearances', or including family photos in campaign literature, then they are most definitely trying to send a message. And call it character, morals, or family values, its the same basic message."I'm a married man/woman, thus I have your values and I share your concerns, so vote for me to represent your interests"
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 41):
C'mon Westy, you're splitting hairs.

Not splitting hairs at all. I questioned that scenario in every single question I posed--if the act of simply standing there next to your spouse represented "family values". Both you and Halls said "yes".
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Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:58 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 42):
Not splitting hairs at all. I questioned that scenario in every single question I posed--if the act of simply standing there next to your spouse represented "family values". Both you and Halls said "yes".

In the immortal words of Eric Cartman, "Whatever"  Wink
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:42 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 42):
if the act of simply standing there next to your spouse represented "family values". Both you and Halls said "yes".

Whether they said yes or not, I sure am. IMO, that's exactly what any candidate is trying to get across. Since (presumably) they're the only one in the family running, what other message could they be trying to send? I suppose the only logical alternative here is that they are not trying to send a message, they are simply there with their family because they want to share a big moment with the ones they love. But doesn't that immediately smack of "family values?"
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:26 am

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 44):
But doesn't that immediately smack of "family values?"

Not necessarily. Does a husband and wife make a "family"? Does a husband and wife signify a "good Christian household"? Did you post about your upcoming nuptials to tell everyone that you believed in "family values"?

Certainly putting a picture of your family smiling for the camera on a piece of campaign literature has a subliminal message. Giuliani being joined on stage by his wife-du-jour, to me at least, does not.

A husband and wife just standing there--the image first used to make the argument--doesn't equate to what is colloquially known as family values in today's society. It can mean a lot of different things. When I questioned that above, it came down to that the husband/wife image inspired trust, was a sign of character, etc., and that it wasn't just the husband/wife, it was the whole family that inspired the image of family values.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:31 am

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 4):
Well, for starters, voters in Louisiana who elected him based on his professed values might otherwise have a second opinion now. Wouldn't you agree?

Why because he likes to get his rocks off? People sleep around and cheat how come politicians can't? Its a double standard to me. If I can't think of a politican as a person who is human just like me and is not above being a sexual person then they don't sit well with me.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:11 am

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 46):
Why because he likes to get his rocks off? People sleep around and cheat how come politicians can't? Its a double standard to me. If I can't think of a politican as a person who is human just like me and is not above being a sexual person then they don't sit well with me.

Let me put it to you this way...

If you ran a campaign on the platform of your moral tenets as so eloquently stated above and were elected and were on the madam's list, I'd have absolutely no problem with that. Granted, you technically broke the law, but your self-representation made that very clear in my decision to use my vote on you.

By contrast, this particular Senator ran his campaign at least in part on the values he purportedly upholds, much less tries to legislate through to enact into law to run my life and potentially impact my value system, and as such, the standard that he set for himself is, in fact, contradicted by his actions.
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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:27 am

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 46):
Why because he likes to get his rocks off? People sleep around and cheat how come politicians can't? Its a double standard to me.

Because the double standard here is that this Senator ran a campaign based on Christian moral values. Adultery and prostitution are not Christian moral values. This "Sinator" (sorry, I just couldn't help myself!  Smile) ran a campaign that was the anti-thesis of what he's done here. No one is saying that politicians don't lie and don't cheat. Hell, most of them profess having core Christian values as well. But a lot of them don't make it a central theme to their campaign.

Notch one more up for the "sanctity of marriage".

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RE: DC Madam List Is Out!

Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:34 am

http://www.keithboykin.com/arch/2007/07/10/sex_lies_and_re#more

From Mr. keith Boykin

"It is noteworthy and hypocritcal that Vitter led the fight to pass the anti-gay Federal Marriage Amendment in the Senate last year. But to explore the depths of his hypocrisy, It would also be interesting to see what Vitter said about Bill Clinton's sex life when he ran for Congress in 1998."
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