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Any S60 Drivers Here?

Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:09 am

So today I was driving my mom's Volvo V70XC and a construction truck ran into me going at about 20 mph. The engine gave out and i went into the oncoming lane of traffic. Luckily no one else hit me. I was fine even after I ended up in a ditch. I definitely used the anti whiplash protection today. I was actually in the market for a new car and really wasn't planning on getting a Volvo until today. Even a used S80 is obviously too much car for a grad student. Does anyone have any experience with the S60? Are any years particularly better?
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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:22 am

My cousin's wife bought one new in 2004...and loves it! As far as I know, the car has been reliable and economical to run. I rode in it a few times and found it to be very comfortable. It's nicely equipped, handles well, and avoids the flashy BMW/Merc/Audi look. It's a bit big for my taste (I prefer the size and looks of the S40), but if you can afford it you won't be disappointed.

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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:44 am

I work at a Volvo dealer and request them as my demo. (I don't always get one. I am driving an S80 right now.)

Anyways, they are quite comfortable and if you get a non turbo you will be quite pleased with the mileage. I am able to get 27.5 mpg mixed city and highway and on trips just on the highway I can get over 30.
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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:59 pm

I can't comment on the S60, but I had an S40 2.0D SE for 24 hours as a business demonstrator and absolutely hated it. I know its the baby Volvo and its based on the Ford Focus, but there was little I liked. It's a great car on paper, but not in reality. The S60 looks better and as far as I know, doesn't share Ford heritage so it might be different. But if its anything like the S40, I wouldn't recommend one. The MPG figures for the 2.0D were appalling, nothing like what Volvo quoted. I went for a Saab 9-3 instead, I got 62.7 mpg out of it on Monday, and that's the 150bhp 1.9TiD version! I struggled to get 45mpg out of the less powerful and smaller S40 on the same run.

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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:19 pm

I have a 2003 S40 with the Sport package. I really like it......
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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:23 pm

The 2003 model is probably better than the 2004+ (new) model since that's a Volvo and not a 'Ford'. This is the one I had for the day to test drive:







The fake wood reminds me of the old Ford Ghia inlays, cheap and nasty for what in europe at least is a premium sector car.

(sorry to hijak the thread, but just my opinion on the Volvo's I've driven)

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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:51 pm

Rented an S40 in PVD for a few days..loved it. Great car for two people....wanna put two people in the back seat?
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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:05 am

I own a 2004 S60 2.5T and love it- it is fun to drive, has plenty of power, and decent handling- I do think the turn radius could be better though. I also feel like it has good sightlines- no real blind spots to worry about. It is also a corfortable car- I have done several 9+ hour drives in it, and don't feel excessively fatigued or stiff afterwards.

Just a warning though- I am 6'5" and with the driver's seat in a position where I am comfortable it is a 3-person car at best. But then, I don't think Volvos have ever been prized for their rear-seat legroom.

Good luck finding one, and enjoy!
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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:32 am

Mum drove a S60 T5 for a while, fantastic car, sold it recently though.

Have fun finding a 2.3+ one though, and avoid the Diesel (do they even offer diesels over there?) :P

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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:20 pm

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 3):
I got 62.7 mpg out of it on Monday

Downhill with a tailwind? Or did you mean 62.7 kpg? Big grin

Quoting CV990A (Reply 7):
it is a 3-person car at best

I have to agree, I am 6' tall and you would not want to sit behind me. But who cares, as long as the driver is comfortable.

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 5):
The 2003 model is probably better than the 2004+ (new) model since that's a Volvo and not a 'Ford'

The older model was more comfortable to drive. Although I like the new look better, I find it has too harsh of a ride. And if we are comparing apples, it is a Mazda too.
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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:50 pm

Quoting Alfa75 (Reply 9):
Downhill with a tailwind? Or did you mean 62.7 kpg?

No, I believe it was a diesel.

Quoting CV990A (Reply 7):
it is a 3-person car at best

In all likely scenarios, the only regular passengers in the back will be children. And, IMHO, the respective back seats of the S40 and S60 are fine for adults for short trips. Not comfortable, but doable. On the other hand...

I've driven and ridden in an '04 S80, and the legroom is far beyond ample in the back. That said, I don't think I would buy one, it's just too much car for me.

I've long been a fan of Volvos, and particularly the S60 as a "happy medium" that would suit all my needs very well. I like the way they drive, I like the way they're built, and I like that there aren't that many on the road. I don't want to be one of those un-imaginitive lemmings that buy Mercs or BMWs. Safety is also a huge plus, and they can be had for not a lot of money on the used market.
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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:10 pm

Quoting AC773 (Reply 10):
Quoting Alfa75 (Reply 9):
Downhill with a tailwind? Or did you mean 62.7 kpg?

No, I believe it was a diesel.

That still seems rather excessive. Although if it is true where do I sign up for one.

Our country needs more diesels. We are just not used to the mileage that is capable from them.

I am waiting for Volvo to introduce one here in the States. Or a hybrid for that matter.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 10):
In all likely scenarios, the only regular passengers in the back will be children

Good point, most of our S60 customers have little children.
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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:40 pm

Quoting Alfa75 (Reply 11):
Our country needs more diesels. We are just not used to the mileage that is capable from them.

 checkmark  Diesels often get better mileage than hybrids, and in modern passenger cars they're remarkably clean and quiet. Because you're not buying two engines like with a hybrid, a diesel powertrain is cheaper and will cost less to maintain. All you need is some biodiesel (requires little to no modification) and you're all set in the environmental department as well.
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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:18 pm

Drove a 2001 S60 for a while and it sucked. Terrible turning radius, horrid suspension, electronic throttle module failed, mystery rattles, leaks, fuel pump failed, etc.... It felt safe though. Best years for an S60 are after 04 IMHO. Major suspension changes came in 07. Stay away from 01s with faulty ETMs. Make sure it's certified.

I've since purchased a 07' Saab 9-3 2.0T, safer than a Volvo S60 in all tests, and it's like night and day to drive... but still has its kinks. Look into a Saab if you want Swedish and Safe!

P.S. We still have a Volvo 940 in the family that I sometimes drive around in. Really good build, much better than the S60.

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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:26 pm

Quoting Alfa75 (Reply 11):
Quoting Alfa75 (Reply 9):
Downhill with a tailwind? Or did you mean 62.7 kpg?

No, I believe it was a diesel.

That still seems rather excessive. Although if it is true where do I sign up for one.

For those doubting my honesty, here's the proof:



It was on cruise control at a steady 60mph on the motorway. Around town it drinks diesel but on the motorway, it's very impressive. Comparing it to the S40, which averaged 45mpg over the same route, thats very poor in comparisson.

You sign up for one at www.saab.co.uk

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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:18 pm

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 14):

My mum's bloke is getting a 9-3 estate, although I believe a petrol model. Is yours the standard saloon model?

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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:42 pm

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 15):
My mum's bloke is getting a 9-3 estate, although I believe a petrol model. Is yours the standard saloon model?

Bear in mind the Saab 9-3 is getting a sizeable restyle - exterior and interior. A backward step on the outside but a definite improvement on the inside in my opinion as it improves the rather too plasticky Vauxhall/GM influence. If your mum's bloke is getting a pre-facelift one and it's his own money rather than a company's, make sure he's getting a good sized discount on it - although Saab dealers are usually big discounters anyway.

The new model looks like this.




Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 14):
It was on cruise control at a steady 60mph on the motorway.

That looks like a steady 15mph to me  Silly
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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:12 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 16):
Is yours the standard saloon model?

The model I have is a Saab 9-3 Vector Sport 1.9 TiD (150) Saloon with full leather sports interior.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 16):
That looks like a steady 15mph to me

It was dodgy enough taking a photo as I was pulling off the motorway, there was no way I was going to take a photo doing 60mph!

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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting Alfa75 (Reply 11):
Our country needs more diesels. We are just not used to the mileage that is capable from them.

Unluckily for you you normally get the clapped out old style GM diesels or Ford diesels. VW group make cracking diesels and the new Ford ones are also good

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 17):
The model I have is a Saab 9-3 Vector Sport 1.9 TiD (150) Saloon with full leather sports interior

Ooooooo Fancy  Silly


I hate to burst your bubble Dazbo, but you know you were saying the S40 is pretty crap partly cos it's based on a Ford Focus, well your 9-3 is based on the king of Dreary; The Vectra  yuck  At least the Ford handles Big grin. Most people do prefer the Volvo over the Saab because of the Volvo's more stylish interior and the driver enjoyment offered by that cracking Ford chassis.

Each to their own Big grin


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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:48 am

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 3):
I got 62.7 mpg out of it

Is that an imperial gallon?
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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:28 am

Quote:
Is that an imperial gallon?

I think so, 4.55l = 1 gallon.

Quoting A342 (Reply 19):
well your 9-3 is based on the king of Dreary; The Vectra

I'm well aware of that. There's nothing wrong with the Vectra chassis and although it might not be the most refined diesel engine, the performance and fuel consumption figures speak for themselves. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the Focus, or ideed that the S40 is 'crap'. If you read my earlier post, I just said I didn't like it and the S40 doesn't live up to its premium sector price tag. It's just my opinion. The test drive model I had was priced at £22,000 (they've since re-marketed the models and reduce price / specification levels to match) and it's certainly not £6,000 more of a car than the Focus is. The S40 is well noted for its poor MPG figures. The Focus is a descent enough car if that's what you want.

Anyway, we're hijaking zone1's original post here about the S60.

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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:17 am

Thanks for all the info guys! Someone told me that the S60 is actually smaller than a Toyota Camry, which doesn't sound that good to me. I don't know how much worse a Camry safety rating is compared to an S60. Who knows, the Camry might have a better rating after Ford gimped up Volvo. The S80 is too much car for me probably, but if a 2002 is not too terribly expensive I might look into it. In terms of looks, call me crazy, but I do have an affinity to Bangal butts--I don't like the toned down 7 Series!

Quoting A342 (Reply 19):

Is that an imperial gallon?

Even if they were imperial gallons that would still mean he was getting 52.2 miles per gallon according to Google calculator.
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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:05 am

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 21):
Someone told me that the S60 is actually smaller than a Toyota Camry

The Camry is slightly taller and longer, but the differences are small.

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 21):
I don't know how much worse a Camry safety rating is compared to an S60.

All new cars have gotten pretty good with safety, and the Camry is no exception - it's a safe car. The S60 is still safer by a small margin though, and the S80 by a larger one.

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 21):
The S80 is too much car for me probably, but if a 2002 is not too terribly expensive I might look into it

Prices run the gamut, but an S80 just a couple of years old in excellent condition can be had for around 23K; prices go down from there.

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 21):
after Ford gimped up Volvo

Herein lies the key difference between Saab and Volvo. While each are owned by GM and Ford, respectively, Ford has done a minimal amount of meddling. While something like a 9-3 is basically a Vectra with different badges, something like an S40 shares only the platform with the Focus. All the rest of the design and engineering is uniquely Volvo, from the T5 engine to the Volvo-exclusive whiplash protection system (and everything in-between).
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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:24 am

Quoting AC773 (Reply 10):
I've driven and ridden in an '04 S80, and the legroom is far beyond ample in the back. That said, I don't think I would buy one, it's just too much car for me.

I have a 2004 Volvo S80, I am 6’3” and keep the seat all the way back and there is no room for an adult to sit in the rear seat behind me. If it only one adult then they sit behind my wife because she can move her seat forward. If it s short trip I can move my seat forward enough to fit an adult behind me and still feel comfortable enough to drive.

Volvo’s are not known for their rear seat legroom unless the front occupants are short.
 
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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:48 am

Quoting TUNisia (Reply 13):
Drove a 2001 S60 for a while and it sucked. Terrible turning radius, horrid suspension, electronic throttle module failed, mystery rattles, leaks, fuel pump failed, etc....

 checkmark 

I used to have an 02 S60 T5. I had all of the above happen to me. I bought it new and it was a PITA from day one.

The turning radius really sucks (stock tires would even rub under full-lock.) Can't see out the rear very well. Engine would stutter and misfire at cold start. Auto trans would hang in 2nd gear when cold till about 4k RPM. The trans just felt cheap all around, the auto stick mode is a joke - would take forever to shift when you hit the handle.

The car had its good points. It was quick. It was very comfortable (as long as you weren't in back.) Had a decent stereo.
My dealer was top-notch.

I unloaded it a month before the warranty ran out. This car was hands down the biggest pile I've ever owned. Maybe the newer models are better.

I know on this forum all cars European are the cats ass - but let me tell you, mine was far from it. The huge discount is proof they couldn't get rid of them (and why I bought it.) Sticker was $39,800 - I snatched it brand new for $30,500.
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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:00 pm

I just got an 01' S60. I had a choice between an 2000 RX 300, a 2002 325, and a 2001 c230 coupe. The Volvo won because of safety, reliability, and repair costs (what my parents really wanted). The seats are very comfortable, and it has an O.K. stereo. The turning radius is pretty bad, but hasn't caused me any major problems yet. The ride is nice, but very European, it took some getting used to after driving my moms very soft-riding RX 330. I got it at a Volvo dealer with 75k on it for $13000 (sticker price was $14500), which after doing some research, I've found to be a bit on the high side. Overall, It's a pretty nice car, especially for someone my age.
 
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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:58 pm

... remember that Volvo is owned by Ford.
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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:34 am

Quoting Mdodd (Reply 26):
... remember that Volvo is owned by Ford.

Not for long. They're looking to unload Volvo at the moment, and AFAIK, a couple of Swedish companies have expressed interest, as well as Nissan, if I'm not mistaken.

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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:30 am

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 24):
The turning radius really sucks (stock tires would even rub under full-lock.)

I'm looking at either getting a 2003 S60 or S80 and they almost have the same turning radius even though the S80 is longer. That is kind of lame. I would look at a 2001 5 series, but there is no side impact data on the the E39.
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RE: Any S60 Drivers Here?

Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:13 pm

2004+ S60 is on the same platform as the earlier ones - just an incremental improvement here and there. Obviously if you're going for an S60, I would advocate the S60R, but that's just me. It's too expensive a car for me. I'm a staunch Volvo person - I have a '97 Volvo 850 T5-R and it serves me very well... Volvo makes a fantastic product - you obviously know and think this if you're looking to get another.

I've test driven an S60 T5 and an S60R... I would wholeheartedly recommend either of them. I'm a fan of turbos... especially ones that put out 13 PSI and 250+ HP (in the case of the S60R, 300 horsepower).

If you're going to do S60R, and buy an automatic - make sure it's a 2006 model. They upgraded the transmission from a 4 speed automatic which required engine detuning for the shifts to a 6 speed automatic that can handle the power...

Hope this has helped!

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