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Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:27 am

I didn't see one started yet, so I'm starting a thread for the MLB All-Star Game

The pre-game was pretty good, particularly the tribute to Willie Mays. The only part I was disappointed in (of what I saw; the player intros, the national anthem, and the tribute to Mays) was the National Anthem. The two guys singing forgot to sing into the microphone and the timing on the fly-over was way off, though the joint fly-over with the F/A-18 Superhornets and F-16's was pretty sweet.

As of now: NL leads 1-0, bottom of the 2nd. Will be interesting to see if they finally end their All-Star Game Losing Streak.
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:36 am

Glad to see the NL jump out early, as well as Peavy get off to a good start, minus Prince Fielder's bonehead error.
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:07 pm

At least it was exciting. Too bad another Padre has to take the L for this one.
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:36 pm

Quoting FutureUALpilot (Reply 2):
Too bad another Padre has to take the L for this one.

That was a redeeming part of the NL loss (though it would have been better had it been a Giant). Also, K-Rod getting the save after Putz couldn't handle it was fitting and showed who the real best closer in the AL is. And I think this game just shows, once again, how f'ing good Ichiro is. I really hope his new deal with the M's falls through and he moves to the Dodgers or Angels.
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:25 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
Also, K-Rod getting the save after Putz couldn't handle it was fitting and showed who the real best closer in the AL is.

You kidding? That was a joint effort at nearly blowing that one. One guy gives up a base hit and a two-run homer to make it 5-4, the next guy loads the bases on walks before finally getting the 3rd out making that inning far closer than it should have been.
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:35 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Thread starter):
Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

It was officially as boring as watching paint dry.

I fell asleep for the first couple of innings (fighting off a ragweed allergy flareup) and honestly didn't miss anything other than the Willie Mays tribute. I will say i was rooting for the 9th inning comeback but the pop fly was yet againa big letdown and boring anticlimatic end to it all.
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:24 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 4):
One guy gives up a base hit and a two-run homer to make it 5-4, the next guy loads the bases on walks before finally getting the 3rd out making that inning far closer than it should have been.

Hold on now. The first base runner after the Soriano home run was there because of a walk issued by Putz. The very next batter went around on his swing against K-Rod, but the first base ump waved it off. Oh, and the major point is that Frankie finished the job that Putz couldn't finish.
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:56 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
Oh, and the major point is that Frankie finished the job that Putz couldn't finish.

When has a Putz ever finished the job? tongue 

Anyway, what you said was:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
K-Rod getting the save after Putz couldn't handle it was fitting and showed who the real best closer in the AL is.

If throwing split-fingered fastballs and breaking balls in the dirt repeatedly without inducing a swing from anyone makes someone the best closer in the AL, maybe I should limber up the old wing.
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:08 am

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 7):

If throwing split-fingered fastballs and breaking balls in the dirt repeatedly without inducing a swing from anyone makes someone the best closer in the AL, maybe I should limber up the old wing.

Frankie doesn't throw a splitter. He has a show me 95 MPH fastball and throws a curve and a devastating hard slider either for strikes or in the dirt to induce swings, which he did with the first batter he faced. Also, he throws a circle changeup to left hand batters.
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:18 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):
a splitter.

Who are you, Joe Morgan?  tongue 

Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):
a devastating hard slider

That ball breaks down so much, it can hardly be called a slider.
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:23 am

K-Rod, along with Putz, tried his hardest to lose that game for the AL.....first off, it looked like he'd OD'd on caffeine or Jolt or whatever before he took the mound, half his pitches were in the dirt. Definitely, he's the top of his field, but it didn't show last night.

And, btw, us Dodger fans are pissed that Buck/McCarver, whoever, said that AT&T Park is the best place to see a ballgame. What losers.....everyone knows that the best place to see a game is Chavez Ravine (Dodger Stadium).

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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:36 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
Oh, and the major point is that Frankie finished the job that Putz couldn't finish.

That's true, but K-Rod always has a way of making things interesting. Sometimes he can strike out the side on 9 pitches. Other times, well, it's kind of like last night. I was talking to my Dad (big Angels fan) after the game, and he said he always gets nervous when K-Rod gets out there.

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 10):
And, btw, us Dodger fans are pissed that Buck/McCarver, whoever, said that AT&T Park is the best place to see a ballgame. What losers.....everyone knows that the best place to see a game is Chavez Ravine (Dodger Stadium).

Hear hear! Dodger Stadium is a classic, unlike the "faux-classic" up north. But then again, I don't like anything related to the Giants (as any true Dodger fan would feel). BTW I loved the Giants fans booing the Dodger all-stars. That was great! (and I would most likely boo the Giants all-stars had the situation been reversed. I do love the rivalry!). Of course, you don't need to be a rival to boo Barroid.

In all seriousness, I was up at AT&T park in December for the UCLA bowl game (Emerald Bowl), and it is a very nice park.
 
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:57 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
Also, K-Rod getting the save after Putz couldn't handle it was fitting and showed who the real best closer in the AL is.

Should have had Rivera on the team - this conversation would never had happened.  Smile

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
And I think this game just shows, once again, how f'ing good Ichiro is.

He's damn good, but there are a lot of players who would have made it all that way around on that one. Had it bounced cleanly off the wall, it would have been a double or perhaps a triple. But he is damn good, and if the deal with the M's should fall through, the Yankees have a hole in their outfield that he would fill oh so nicely.

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 10):
And, btw, us Dodger fans are pissed that Buck/McCarver, whoever, said that AT&T Park is the best place to see a ballgame. What losers.....everyone knows that the best place to see a game is Chavez Ravine (Dodger Stadium).

Yeah, it's so great that they can't get people to stay around until the end of the game.  Smile

I've been to SBC Park, and the atmosphere was somewhat lacking. The best place to see a game these days is Yankee Stadium.

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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:02 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 11):

That's true, but K-Rod always has a way of making things interesting. Sometimes he can strike out the side on 9 pitches. Other times, well, it's kind of like last night. I was talking to my Dad (big Angels fan) after the game, and he said he always gets nervous when K-Rod gets out there.

I never get nervous, because K-Rod has the track record to back up his hype. He sometimes makes the game a bit interesting, but you know what will happen in the end.

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 10):
half his pitches were in the dirt.

And they swung at them.

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 9):

That ball breaks down so much, it can hardly be called a slider.

It is the sharpness of the break that makes it a slider. Honestly, he throws about 4-5 different breaking pitches that run from a rainbow curve to a hard slider.

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 9):

Who are you, Joe Morgan?

Too tall and not chubby enough to be Morgan. Then again, I could never play baseball as well as he could with 1 arm and 1 eye  Silly

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 11):
Of course, you don't need to be a rival to boo Barroid.

He is the only thing I like about the Giants.
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:15 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 12):
The best place to see a game these days is Yankee Stadium.

Especially when the Stankees are losing.  stirthepot 
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:36 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 10):
half his pitches were in the dirt.

And they swung at them.

Lee swung at them, but Hudson just watched them go by.

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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:06 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 12):
Should have had Rivera on the team - this conversation would never had happened.

Even Rivera admitted that had he made the All-Star Team this year, it would have been on a sympathy vote. He just hasn't had it this year. Of course, part of that is probably related to not needing a closer when you're losing every game.  mad 

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
And they swung at them.

But he still loaded the bases on walks, which tells you they weren't swinging at them, at least not three times anyway. Had K-Rod had to get two outs instead of only one, who knows how last night would have turned out.

I'm not judging whether or not K-Rod is one of the top closers in the AL. For one, I'd never heard of him till last night. Two, he did make it to the All-Star Game, so you know he has talent. But face it....he struggled out there last night.
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:43 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 10):
half his pitches were in the dirt.

And they swung at them.

.....and how many times did Posada save K-Rod's bacon by stopping all those pitches in the dirt  wink 

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Quoting Travelin man (Reply 11):
Of course, you don't need to be a rival to boo Barroid.

He is the only thing I like about the Giants.

Dude, the D-backs game we went to recently on our trip, they played the Giants.....the ATL-size crowd, about 24,000, that was there booed Barroid louder than they cheered the D'backs.....it was hilarious.

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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:26 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 12):

Should have had Rivera on the team - this conversation would never had happened.

 rotfl . With the year he has had, he probably would have given up a grand slam

Quoting Mir (Reply 12):

He's damn good, but there are a lot of players who would have made it all that way around on that one. Had it bounced cleanly off the wall, it would have been a double or perhaps a triple.

First, he damn near hit a home run anyway. Then, with that bounce, you knew that with his speed there was no chance, even with that rocket hanging off the left side of Junior.

Quoting Mir (Reply 12):
But he is damn good, and if the deal with the M's should fall through, the Yankees have a hole in their outfield that he would fill oh so nicely.

All that money they paid Damon to start in Center, I don't think so. Besides, I see Ichiro as too down to earth to deal with Steinbrenner's bullsh!t

Quoting Mir (Reply 12):

I've been to SBC Park

ATT Park now

Quoting Mir (Reply 12):
The best place to see a game these days is Yankee Stadium.

Yeah right. That must explain why they are replacing the thing after just over 30 years  sarcastic . Dodger Stadium leads a whole host of stadiums that are much better places to watch a game than Yankee Stadium

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 16):

But he still loaded the bases on walks, which tells you they weren't swinging at them, at least not three times anyway.

The first batter he faced did swing, three times. The only reason that ump said he didn't go around is because he wanted more drama in the game

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 16):

I'm not judging whether or not K-Rod is one of the top closers in the AL. For one, I'd never heard of him till last night. Two, he did make it to the All-Star Game, so you know he has talent.

You had never heard of him? Were you under a rock in 2002? BTW, this is his second All Star game and he was the youngest player to 100 saves, despite spending his first two full seasons as a setup man. Oh, and his lifetime ERA is lower than Trevor Hoffman and Putz

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 16):
But face it....he struggled out there last night.

Except that he didn't. He lost out on a bad call, walked one guy and got a .310 hitter to pop up

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 17):

.....and how many times did Posada save K-Rod's bacon by stopping all those pitches in the dirt

Hey, when you have someone with nasty stuff, you have to be active behind the plate. Look at that change up Santana threw to take care of Carlos Lee.
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:28 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
Oh, and his lifetime ERA is lower than Trevor Hoffman and Putz

Putz is a valid comparison, but not Hoffman. Rodriguez has only been around since late 2002, and Hoffman has been around since 1993. Hoffman's lifetime WHIP is lower than Rodriguez's, and he has a lower batting average against. Is Rodriguez a better pitcher now than Hoffman? I'd say yes - I think Hoffman benefits by playing in the NL. But you can't compare their career numbers until Rodriguez has at the very least ten seasons in the bigs.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
ATT Park now

Same difference.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
First, he damn near hit a home run anyway. Then, with that bounce, you knew that with his speed there was no chance, even with that rocket hanging off the left side of Junior.

No doubt. But it wasn't just his speed that made that happen - the ball had to take that crazy bounce off the wall.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
All that money they paid Damon to start in Center, I don't think so.

I wasn't thinking about center.

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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:39 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 19):

Putz is a valid comparison, but not Hoffman. Rodriguez has only been around since late 2002, and Hoffman has been around since 1993.

And Rodriguez has already been a playoff hero  Wink.

Quoting Mir (Reply 19):

No doubt. But it wasn't just his speed that made that happen - the ball had to take that crazy bounce off the wall.

Naturally, but the NL was lucky that wall is so high in the first place. Also, if it had been, say, Justin Morneau who hit that ball, he would have likely stuck with 3 or gotten thrown out by Junior
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:54 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
And Rodriguez has already been a playoff hero

Yeah, you guys have our number. That's not going to last forever, you know.  Smile

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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:03 am

Im surprised that no one mentioend Ichiro's in-the-park-homerun. That was AWESOME!! That was the highlight of the game. I rooted for the Americans, glad they won it!

Americans get home field advantage during the playoffs.  Smile
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:33 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
Yeah right. That must explain why they are replacing the thing after just over 30 years . Dodger Stadium leads a whole host of stadiums that are much better places to watch a game than Yankee Stadium

Yankee Stadium is far older than 30 years old. The renovations are just over 30 years....the original stadium much, much older.  sarcastic  How about you try '1923'?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
You had never heard of him? Were you under a rock in 2002? BTW, this is his second All Star game and he was the youngest player to 100 saves, despite spending his first two full seasons as a setup man. Oh, and his lifetime ERA is lower than Trevor Hoffman and Putz

Just as not too many people outside of New York cared about the 2000 Subway Series, not too many people outside of California cared about the 2002 Series. I was one of them.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
Except that he didn't. He lost out on a bad call, walked one guy and got a .310 hitter to pop up


He did the job he was assigned to do and accomplished the mission.....just far shakier and a little closer than I would have liked.
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:33 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 22):
Americans get home field advantage during the playoffs.

More specifically, the Angels will have home field advantage...

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 23):
Except that he didn't. He lost out on a bad call, walked one guy and got a .310 hitter to pop up


He did the job he was assigned to do and accomplished the mission.....just far shakier and a little closer than I would have liked.

The stuff I read said that KROD never thought that he was going in and that he never really warmed up. Buy, in the end, he did his job
 
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:01 am

Quoting Pbottenb (Reply 24):
More specifically, the Angels will have home field advantage...

MLB is at the halfway mark and you already had the Angels in the MLB Championship game?? Ok, how did you get that far?? My mind isn't even that far ahead.....
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:29 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 23):

Yankee Stadium is far older than 30 years old. The renovations are just over 30 years....the original stadium much, much older. sarcastic How about you try '1923'?

The current design is just over 30 years old. New Yankee Stadium will be in the same footprint, but it will still be a new place.
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:05 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 26):
New Yankee Stadium will be in the same footprint, but it will still be a new place.

The field dimensions will be the same, as will the basic shape, but that's it.

The structure of Yankee Stadium have been around a lot longer than 30 years. The field has also been around a lot longer than 30 years.

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Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:23 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 27):

The structure of Yankee Stadium have been around a lot longer than 30 years. The field has also been around a lot longer than 30 years.

Yes, but the current design of the stadium dates to 1976 and required the place to be closed for 2 years, hence why even during the All Star game, the commentators noted that it has been around since 1976 and not 1923.
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:03 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
Yes, but the current design of the stadium dates to 1976 and required the place to be closed for 2 years, hence why even during the All Star game, the commentators noted that it has been around since 1976 and not 1923.

Well what do you expect from Fox?  Yeah sure

Yankee Stadium dates from 1923, just as Angels Stadium dates from 1966. The fact that both were extensively refurbished at a certain point in time does not change that.

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Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:29 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 29):

Yankee Stadium dates from 1923,

Then why is it called Yankee Stadium 2?

Quoting Mir (Reply 29):
just as Angels Stadium dates from 1966. The fact that both were extensively refurbished at a certain point in time does not change that.

Actually, Anaheim/Angel Stadium was extensively refurbished twice, but it has never missed a season. Yankee Stadium was closed for 2 full seasons.
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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:37 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 30):
Then why is it called Yankee Stadium 2?

This is the first time I've ever heard it called that. I've heard "the refurbished Yankee Stadium" or "the remodeled Yankee Stadium", or even "the new Yankee Stadium" (which is incorrect, as the structure of the stadium itself isn't new). Fenway Park dates from 1912, and while it doesn't look the same as it did back then, it's still Fenway Park. They could have closed Yankee Stadium for ten years and remodeled it - it would still be Yankee Stadium when it reopened, because the beams are the same, and the field is the same.

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RE: Official 2007 MLB All-Star Game Thread

Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:15 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 31):
This is the first time I've ever heard it called that.

Same here. Yankee Stadium has been dated back to the 20's. Ever since, it has gone through alot of renovations over the years. Same thing with Fenway Park in BOS as Mir has stated.

Quoting Mir (Reply 31):
it would still be Yankee Stadium when it reopened, because the beams are the same, and the field is the same.

Don't forget the foundation!  Smile
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