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Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:02 pm

Rep. Bob Allen arrested on sex charge, Orlando Sentinel 12 July 2007

This time a Florida State Rep.

He also served (served?) as John McCain's FL Campaign Chairman. Looks like he was caught in the act by a uc.

Oops!



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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:10 pm

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

I think the illegal part which warrants the use of the word "caught" is that he was being paid for a sexual performance. Not that it was gay sex. The title is somewhat misleading IMHO.
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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:12 pm

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 1):
I think the illegal part which warrants the use of the word "caught" is that he was being paid for a sexual performance.

FT got it right, he's a Republican, to his constits....it's 'Caught being Gay'...


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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:20 pm

A quick stint at a local Christian rehab center, some personal counseling with his local church and a little prayer in which he's forgiven by God and all will be good.

...

Except that he'll still have received payment in return for gay sex.

...

But all that stuff up there in the first sentence makes it all go away.

...

Right? I mean, we've seen it done before by other (R) lawmakers, so it works, right?

Right?
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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:29 pm

Quoting BN747 (Reply 2):

FT got it right, he's a Republican, to his constits....it's 'Caught being Gay'...

Oops OK, thanks for pointing it out ... I stand corrected  Smile
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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:23 pm

I love the fact that a Florida State Rep., who probably has plenty of money, was whoreing himself out for only 20 bucks.
His next step after jail will probably be to join Ted Haggard's rehab group, and pretend he has been cured of his homosexuality.
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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:40 pm

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 1):
he was being paid for a sexual performance.



Quoting MattRB (Reply 3):
Except that he'll still have received payment in return for gay sex.



Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 5):
I love the fact that a Florida State Rep., who probably has plenty of money, was whoreing himself out for only 20 bucks.

Uhh, you guys have this wrong. The State Rep. was the one paying.

I wonder where he stood on "family values".  rotfl 
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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:59 pm

From the article:

"Allen, 48, who chairs the House Committee on Energy, is married and has one child. He also is a former Little League volunteer and has donated time to the Boys & Girls Clubs of Central Florida."


Wow. What a blow to the family.


But it's still relatively humorous.
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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:07 pm

Article was poorly written, i'm assuming in an attempt to satisfy the Legal Dept. at the Sentinel.

However one quick look at the accused, and I knew right away who was paying whom.  Wow!

You know, part of me wants to be sympathetic to closet queens who get married, have kids, etc....but then I think about the effect it has on the family and my sympathy just goes...poof!
 
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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:16 pm

I have a question.

If being Gay is fine and normal, and of moral equivalence to being straight, why is it that we never hear of straight people prostituting themselves even if they are gainfully employed, state reps, and all that? What's the deal with gay promescuity?
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Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:26 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
I have a question.

If being Gay is fine and normal, and of moral equivalence to being straight, why is it that we never hear of straight people prostituting themselves even if they are gainfully employed, state reps, and all that? What's the deal with gay promescuity?

For the record, this guy wasn't prostituting himself, he was offering a blowjob. Aka. he wanted to perform oral sex on someone, and offered to pay the police officer $20. As for straight lawmakers paying people for sex? That happens all the time. Have you heard of the DC Madam? As for gay promiscuity - in general gay men might have fewer hang ups about sex, but it probably has more to do with the fact that they're male than the fact that they're gay.
 
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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:30 pm

Quoting Jamincan (Reply 10):
For the record, this guy wasn't prostituting himself, he was offering a blowjob.

For money. AKA prostitution.

Quoting Jamincan (Reply 10):
and offered to pay the police officer $20



I reread the article, and it seems pretty clear to me that he wanted to be paid for the BJ.
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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:45 pm

What, only 20$ for a BJ????  Wow!

That seems pretty cheap, it costed me a lot more in the beginning for sweetening up my GF before she would perform this unspeakable act.  Silly

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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:47 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 11):

I reread the article, and it seems pretty clear to me that he wanted to be paid for the BJ.

Granted that article is rather vague on who was offering who the $20, but this one is less so: http://www.wesh.com/news/13667255/detail.html

Nor is this one: http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2007/...rcover_officer_20_o/?breaking_news

Or this one: http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...cle?AID=/20070712/NEWS01/707120340

I think that's probably sufficient to make it clear that Allen was the one offering to pay $20 to give the blowjob, not asking for $20.
 
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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:51 pm

Quoting Jamincan (Reply 13):
I think that's probably sufficient to make it clear that Allen was the one offering to pay $20 to give the blowjob, not asking for $20.

That's crazy ... pay $20 to *give* the BJ? This world is strange  Smile there are probably plenty people out there who would pay to *receive* one  Wink
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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:42 pm

Quoting Johnboy (Reply 8):
You know, part of me wants to be sympathetic to closet queens who get married, have kids, etc....but then I think about the effect it has on the family and my sympathy just goes...poof!

Which makes me think that gays or people who are questioning their sexuality who marry yielding to social pressure are being terribly unfair to their future spouses and family.

My mom confessed to me that one of my cousins had the same "problem" i have - but he is now married w 2 children. And let me tell you - as a wonderful woman and cute kids as they have - my gaydar still goes haywire when i see him. Unfair assessment on my part? maybe..

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
why is it that we never hear of straight people prostituting themselves even if they are gainfully employed, state reps,

Most gays (that i know) do not prostitute themselves for sex. But one look at that man - and paying is the only way he was gonna get some..
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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:03 am

At first I thought this thread was about Rep. David Drier (R-CA) or Senator Lindsay Graham (R-SC).

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 14):
That's crazy ... pay $20 to *give* the BJ? This world is strange

When you're a fat Republican, well you have to pay for those sorts of things. Big grin
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I don't know much about this Allen guy but did he ever play up a tough law & order stance like many Republicans like to do?
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Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:13 am

Quoting MattRB (Reply 3):
quick stint at a local Christian rehab center, some personal counseling with his local church and a little prayer in which he's forgiven by God and all will be good.

You joke but don't ever underestimate the power of an apology and public asking of foregiveness by God and the Church to the voting public. Case in point...The Esteemed Mayor of DC, Marion Berry. How many political lives does that clown have?

Quoting Johnboy (Reply 8):
Article was poorly written, i'm assuming in an attempt to satisfy the Legal Dept. at the Sentinel.

There is a reason why we call it the Borelando Sentinel. They aren't that good. Some of their sports beat writers are good but coverage of local news is debatable. Has been that way as long as I have been reading it going back into the 70s.

Quoting Jamincan (Reply 13):
Granted that article is rather vague on who was offering who the $20, but this one is less so: http://www.wesh.com/news/13667255/de....html

Take WESH Channel 2 any day over the Sentinel. They do a good job.
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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:23 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 11):
I reread the article, and it seems pretty clear to me that he wanted to be paid for the BJ.

No, no, no, no, no, no and no. He did the soliciting, which only means he was the one who initiated the exchange. He was definitely on the paying end. Just trust me on this one.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
why is it that we never hear of straight people prostituting themselves even if they are gainfully employed, state reps, and all that?

Something like 60% of "gay hustlers" are straight. Then there are all the straight ones hiring themselves out for straight sex. Jeez, there's boatloads of them.
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Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:44 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
Has been that way as long as I have been reading it going back into the 70s.

Back when I lived in Daytona Beach in the early '80's, the Daytona Beach New Journal did a better job with Orlando's news than the Sentinel did.....looks like nothing's changed.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
Take WESH Channel 2 any day over the Sentinel. They do a good job.

Yep, the best there is.....(off topic, but I see Dave Marsh retired).

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Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting Jamincan (Reply 10):
in general gay men

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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:47 am

McCain's campaign has fallen into some hard times lately, that is for sure.

Their second quarter fundraising efforts were poopy, he's laid off about 100 staffers in the past week, and 3 top aides for the Iowa campaign have thrown in their resignations. Plus, he's skipping the Straw Poll next month missing out on lots of recognition, press, and outreach.
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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:57 am

$20???? What a cheapskate!
 
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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:59 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 22):
$20???? What a cheapskate!

Well we haven't seen the undercover cop yet. He might have even overpaid!  silly 
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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:06 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 23):
Well we haven't seen the undercover cop yet. He might have even overpaid!

True, true, never though of that. Could even have been a butch dyke, I suppose  Smile
 
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Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:09 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 21):
McCain's campaign has fallen into some hard times lately, that is for sure.

I just caught CNN's report on this for the first time--most of it wasn't about the arrest, but how badly McCain is doing.
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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:14 am

I understood the article to mean he was paying the undercover cop $20 if the undercover cop would blow him... not the other way around.

RE: Cfalk's comments above... we do hear about straight prostitution scandals all the time... look at the DC Madam story... but this type of story makes bigger headlines because a public official, who is pretending to be something he isn't, and is a member of a party and platform that espouses "family values" and homophobic policies, got caught doing the very thing he rails against.
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Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:19 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 25):
I just caught CNN's report on this for the first time--most of it wasn't about the arrest, but how badly McCain is doing.

All I'm going to say is that I'm feeling extra witty today ...

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Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:32 pm

...if that's "extra", I'd hate to see the default  embarrassed 
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Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:00 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 28):
...if that's "extra", I'd hate to see the default

news should be sexy!
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Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:21 am

Uhh okay, I fail to see the point. But all I have to add is......







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Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:27 am

Everybody goes crazy when some republican does something "immoral". Not all republicans are a bunch of bible thumping screwballs. The only reason people seem to get upset is that a lot of republicans speak out about morality issues. Big deal it is part of their platform, they say stuff all the time to get elected. A lot of Democrats don't speak out on moral issues does that mean they don't have any morals? I am sure there are all kinds of things democrats may say to get elected too. If this was a Democrat you would still be hearing about it. Politicians and sex scandals sell newspapers and TV ad space.
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Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:31 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 31):
The only reason people seem to get upset is that a lot of republicans speak out about morality issues. Big deal it is part of their platform, they say stuff all the time to get elected.

Well you answered your own question.  Smile
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Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:37 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 32):
Well you answered your own question.

I did, but I think I will launch a crusade to go after the next democrat who does something moral. If I see any democrat politicians in church I will have to call the newspaper.  Wink
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Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:48 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 33):
If I see any democrat politicians in church I will have to call the newspaper.

We already covered Hillary in church two weeks ago.
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Quoting STLGph (Reply 34):
We already covered Hillary in church two weeks ago.

How much campaign money did she raise while she was there  wink  ?

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Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 35):
How much campaign money did she raise while she was there

Lord only knows...

She posted over $27 million for second quarter fundraising.
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Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:13 am

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 7):
What a blow to the family.

Given the charges and the act he is alleged to have committed, I'd say this is a poor choice of words.
 
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Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 37):
Given the charges and the act he is alleged to have committed, I'd say this is a poor choice of words.

Well, you never know what the family reunions are like...
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Quoting STLGph (Reply 38):
Well, you never know what the family reunions are like...

Oh. I thought the guy lived in Florida, not Kentucky.
 
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Quoting Falstaff (Reply 31):
The only reason people seem to get upset is that a lot of republicans speak out about morality issues.

....well, that, and the minor little issue of attempting to write horrific discrimination into the Constitution-- multiple times-- only to be caught in the very licentious web that they claim to be "protecting" American culture against.
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Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 39):
Oh. I thought the guy lived in Florida, not Kentucky.

so?

does it really make a difference?

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Quoting STLGph (Reply 41):
Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 39):
Oh. I thought the guy lived in Florida, not Kentucky.

so?

does it really make a difference?

With all the moronic white trash Yankees that have moved to Florida they bring the IQ level down to the inbreds living in Kentucky.  Wink
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Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 40):
well, that, and the minor little issue of attempting to write horrific discrimination into the Constitution

gay marriage?

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 40):
only to be caught in the very licentious web that they claim to be "protecting" American culture against.

homosexual acts?

Two different things...

I have not heard many main stream politicians wanting to make homosexuals against the constitution.

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Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 42):
With all the moronic white trash Yankees that have moved to Florida they bring the IQ level down to the inbreds living in Kentucky

Make up whatever you want to, but the south is the south anywhere you go, cupcakes.
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Quoting STLGph (Reply 44):
Make up whatever you want to, but the south is the south anywhere you go, cupcakes.

There are goobers everywhere you go. They are in every state and probably in every country! I am headed out for a night of drinking in Newburg, Missouri tonight so I sure I will see some hillbillies later today.
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Quoting STLGph (Reply 44):
but the south is the south anywhere you go

geographically, sure... culturally, not a chance.

Florida has about as much social culture in common with the four "Deep South" states as does northern Ohio.
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Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 46):
Florida has about as much social culture in common with the four "Deep South" states as does northern Ohio.

Too true!
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RE: Another Republican Lawmaker Caught Being Gay

Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:53 pm

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 46):
Florida has about as much social culture in common with the four "Deep South" states as does northern Ohio.

As a resident of Brevard County I can tell you that the general population here consist of ignorant hicks. There are more churches than schools and bars and movie theathers here.
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The McCain Campaign issue will be visited on World News Tonight.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 46):
Florida has about as much social culture in common with the four "Deep South" states as does northern Ohio

Get out more.
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