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14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:26 am

Yes, a 14 year old kid frim Illinois has committed to play basketball at USC. A few days later, he decided which high school he would attend.

14???!! Are you kidding me?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colum...=forde_pat&id=2930720&sportCat=ncb

14 year olds haven't even finished growing yet, and we're predicting their basketball futures...
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:34 am

Quoting S12PPL (Thread starter):

14 year olds haven't even finished growing yet, and we're predicting their basketball futures

This is pretty regular in the world of soccer (at least in Europe). The likes of Gerrard, Beckham, Ferdinand, the Neville brothers, and going further back - Sheringham, Shearer, Gascoigne, Fowler, etc. have all stated that they signed development agreements with their respective clubs at around the age of 14 or 15 that basically guaranteed them a professional contract. More power to the 14 year old...he knows he wants to play basketball and so is taking steps to make sure he can do that after high school.
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:44 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 1):
More power to the 14 year old...he knows he wants to play basketball and so is taking steps to make sure he can do that after high school.

I only disagree with it from a standpoint of bsaketball being more difficult that soccer. You have to play at a VERY high level in order to compete at the D1 level in college. Many of these kids don't ever improve enough, and the school ends up breaking the verbal agreement because of it. Or, the kid is just barely good enough to make the team, and he has to transfer out to a school where he'll get playing time.

I don't agree with kids being allowed to make verbal commitments to any school, in any sport, until they are a Jr. in HS. I'd even go so far as to say not to let the schools even have contact with the kids until then. If they want to spend money to fly out and scout the kid, fine...But I wouldn't even let them start talking to him/her until they are at least a Jr. in HS.
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:13 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 2):
I only disagree with it from a standpoint of bsaketball being more difficult that soccer.

ummm.

NO. That statement is riddled with ignorance. What authority can you speak from anyhow?

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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:20 am

What I do NOT agree with, which is not relevant to the thread, is the NBA allowing kids fresh from high school to go on and play in the NBA without a degree. That, IMO, needs to change.

Currently, the NFL does not allow high school kids to enter the NFL draft. Thats the right thing to do. The NBA and MLB should follow suit.
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:26 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
What I do NOT agree with, which is not relevant to the thread, is the NBA allowing kids fresh from high school to go on and play in the NBA without a degree.

Why do you need a degree to play basketball? Any idiot can play basketball.
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting S12PPL (Thread starter):
Yes, a 14 year old kid frim Illinois has committed to play basketball at USC. A few days later, he decided which high school he would attend.

While it is absolutely crazy that is the nature of college sports these days. Win now, win often, or get the hell out.

One thing to consider is that this kid is merely giving his verbal committment to USC and that it is non-binding and that the school can't even comment on it when asked. Of course an offer was extended from Tim Floyd (or at least one of his assistants) but it is in word only, there is no papers signed, and either side ccan go back on the deal. The kid can go elsewhere if he wants to do so when the time comes to commit on the dotted line or the school can withdraw what will eventually become a true offer or even retract the verbal offer if the kid sucks in high school or there is a coaching change at USC and the new coach isn't interested.

Check back in 4 years and see if this kid signs an actual letter of intent. Until then it is nothing more than speculation and conjuncture.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
What I do NOT agree with, which is not relevant to the thread, is the NBA allowing kids fresh from high school to go on and play in the NBA without a degree. That, IMO, needs to change.

You need to catch up with the times. The NBA has stopped allowing kids to come straight from high school. That is why we saw Kevin Durant and Greg Oden play in the college ranks this past year. They are now required to play at least one year of college ball before going into the draft. Personally I would like to see a minimum of 2 years and perhaps it will happen. Of course it would be great for them to all graduate but that just isn't going to happen.
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 5):
Why do you need a degree to play basketball? Any idiot can play basketball.

Because an 'idiot' would have something to fall back on if the NBA/NFL/MLB career does not work out for obvious reasons. My best friend plays for the Seattle Mariners. He was drafted right out of our high school, instead he went to college first, got a degree and now he is with the Mariners full-time. So when his career is up, he has a degree already and a 'back-up' plan. Its common sense.
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:51 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
Because an 'idiot' would have something to fall back on if the NBA/NFL/MLB career does not work out for obvious reasons.....my friend.....So when his career is up, he has a degree already and a 'back-up' plan. Its common sense.

While that might work for your friend how many of the kids playing college sports today have some half-assed degree like Recreation Management that apparently readies them for a job as a park ranger. That is the big problem that needs to be looked at in the college world. Obviously not everyone is going to be a Chemistry, Engineering, or Business major in school but doing the best a school can do to make sure the kids have some skills before graduation is a big issue in my opinion.
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:13 am

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 3):
That statement is riddled with ignorance.

Nah it isn't. Playing high level basketball is much more difficult than soccer. You kick a ball, and everyone chases after it. You merely have to be in great shape because of all the running involved. Basketball is a MUCH more physical game.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
Currently, the NFL does not allow high school kids to enter the NFL draft. Thats the right thing to do. The NBA and MLB should follow suit.

Well I have to disagree with you strongly, here.

The NFL is a whole different animal. High School kids never attempt to jump straight to the NFL, because they would literally die. They would get hit so hard, so often, they would have to "retire" at the ripe age of about 20. NFL football is fast, and hard hitting. Look at how much trouble some guys have making the transition from college ball to the NFL. I think the NFL is exempt from this argument  Smile

As for baseball... WAY different than basketball or even football. There is a reason HS kids are allowed to sign right out of graduation, and start their pro careers. Baseball is a much different game. And, without a doubt, the most difficult thing to do in sports, is hit a baseball. Kids that can do it successfully, can have brilliant, long careers in the pros. Baseball is not a "contact" sport. It requires different athletic abilities.

Also, Baseball is the only sport with a "true" farm system. Kids will spend sometimes 4-7 years in the minors before they get called up to the big club. What is expected of a MLB player is different than what is expected of an NBA player. Baseball has nine defensive possitions, as opposed to 5 players in basketball.

Also, they pay is MUCH different for baseball players when they are signed out of HS, than for NBA players. You had to be a phenom to get drafted in the NBA...Your contract would be at least a few million a year. HS kids have to be VERY good to get even a few hundred thousand as a signing bonus. But their salary is significantly less. They don't make the big bucks until they get a MLB contract with the big club...Or until they're a producing AAA player. Breaking seven figures in the minors is pretty rare.
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:24 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 9):

Nah it isn't. Playing high level basketball is much more difficult than soccer. You kick a ball, and everyone chases after it. You merely have to be in great shape because of all the running involved. Basketball is a MUCH more physical game

But basketball all you do is run up and down a court and shoot a ball.  Wink

I'd like to see you and Rooney compared physically.

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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:31 am

Quoting Piercey (Reply 10):
But basketball all you do is run up and down a court and shoot a ball.

Ah yes...but a basketball hoop is just a little smaller than a soccer goal  Smile

Quoting Piercey (Reply 10):
I'd like to see you and Rooney compared physically

Who the hell is Rooney, and why do you wanna see us compared physically??
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:42 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 11):
Who the hell is Rooney, and why do you wanna see us compared physically??

Wayne Rooney is the star English soccer player. Now why Piercey wants to see your body compared to his I'll never know. I'd rather not think about it as he seems just a bit odd.  Wink (Just kidding Piercey)
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:20 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 11):
Ah yes...but a basketball hoop is just a little smaller than a soccer goal

In football there's a bloke wearing gloves whose only purpose is to stop the ball from entering, plus the ball is usually shot from farther away.

Basketball is played on close quarters, football in open field so they have differently physical requirements, which doesn't mean one is more physical than the other.

Take rugby or American football, now that's physical.
 
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:54 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 9):
You kick a ball, and everyone chases after it. You merely have to be in great shape because of all the running involved.

Good Lord....now that statement IS riddled with ignorance. There is far more to the game than kicking a ball and running, just like there is far more to running and bouncing and throwing in basketball. Really, trying to compare the two is comparing apples to oranges. Just doesn't work. But you're wrong about soccer. Far more too it.
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:58 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 5):
Why do you need a degree to play basketball? Any idiot can play basketball.

The pro basketball doesn't have much of a developmental league. There is some, but most pro basketball players go to college to further develope their game.

Quoting S12PPL (Thread starter):
14 year olds haven't even finished growing yet, and we're predicting their basketball futures...

When I was a freshman in college at Central Missouri State University there was another freshman who was 14. He was very smart and had skipped a lot of grades. He didn't live on campus, he lived in town with his parents. I never met him, but I read about it in the school's paper. He was 4-5 years younger than most freshman. CMSU is no USC, but still. I would be willing to bet that this kid I speak of had a lot more brains then the student mentioned by the thread starter. Sounds like they just want him for their team not for their academics. You never know though.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 8):
Obviously not everyone is going to be a Chemistry, Engineering, or Business major in school but doing the best a school can do to make sure the kids have some skills before graduation is a big issue in my opinion.

I have a BS in Automotive technology. There was plenty of other students with me too. Many colleges and Universities have all kinds of interesting programs that people never think about. A buddy of mine has a degree in Race Track management from Arizona.
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:07 am

Something makes me think this tread will be locked after about 10 more posts....
 
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:51 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 14):
But you're wrong about soccer.

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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:07 am

I think golf is more physically demanding!............  duck 
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:08 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 15):
I have a BS in Automotive technology. There was plenty of other students with me too. Many colleges and Universities have all kinds of interesting programs that people never think about. A buddy of mine has a degree in Race Track management from Arizona

You're taking me the wrong way. I'm not undermining or making fun of your degree. What concerns me is so many of the athletes get degrees in seemingly low-end or dead-end areas and because of their devotion to the sport don't have the necessary skills to perform in the real world when they don't get drafted to play in the pros.
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:30 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 14):
Good Lord....now that statement IS riddled with ignorance.

I don't like soccer....If you haven't figured out that I'm just saying crap to get a rise out of you....Well then I'm sorry  Smile

I have said that soccer requirs very good endurance due to how much running is involved for such a long period of time. However, no one will ever convince me that soccer requires more athletic ability than baseball. The hand/eye coordination required to succeed at baseball is greater than that of any other sport. In fact, baseball is the only sport I know of where you can fail 7 of of 10 times, and STILL be considered a success, and earn 10 million bucks a year. Try being a failure 7 out of 10 times at any non-athletic job, and see how long you can keep it  Smile

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 17):
Don't waste your keystrokes. His mind is made up, don't confuse him with the facts.

Awww now that's not nice...Read above  Smile
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:30 am

I'd like to see a 5' 5" weakling that plays soccer to last 3 minutes in a basketball game...
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:37 am

sounds like something USC might do.
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:31 pm

Quoting S12PPL (Thread starter):
Yes, a 14 year old kid frim Illinois has committed to play basketball at USC

Apparently, Arizona State has a couple of 14yrs committed also..will be playing at my son's high school, oh did I mention that one of the kids is the son of a basketball coach, but since Arizona is known being a hot bed of DI talent, who knows what will happen, what is wrong is the press actually attends these kids so called press conferences and then wastes ink printing the story.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 6):
While it is absolutely crazy that is the nature of college sports these days. Win now, win often, or get the hell out.

What ever happen to have a decent season and develop fine young adults? It used to be if you had a winning season, you wouldn't be fired. Not true today.
 
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:16 pm

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 2):

I only disagree with it from a standpoint of bsaketball being more difficult that soccer.

What in the world are you talking about? They are both games that require high levels of cardiovascular endurance combined with high levels of skill and coordination.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
What I do NOT agree with, which is not relevant to the thread, is the NBA allowing kids fresh from high school to go on and play in the NBA without a degree. That, IMO, needs to change.

Why should they? They aren't on the court because of their ability to do calculus or discuss Nietzsche, they are there to play. Further, 3 of the 4 major US sports as well as the world's biggest sport all allow for no college and even no real high school. Finally, mental ability is definitely not determined by who goes to college. I guarantee you Kobe Bryant is more intelligent and more capable of success in the real world than most NBA'ers who did 4 years in college.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
MLB should follow suit.

That would defy more than a century of history. And you forget that Hockey allows in players out of high school as well.

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 9):

The NFL is a whole different animal. High School kids never attempt to jump straight to the NFL, because they would literally die. They would get hit so hard, so often, they would have to "retire" at the ripe age of about 20. NFL football is fast, and hard hitting.

Well, while he did do a fully 4 years of college, Amobe Okoye is only 19 and is going to do fine.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 21):
I'd like to see a 5' 5" weakling that plays soccer to last 3 minutes in a basketball game...

Muggsy Bogues, Spud Webb and Earl Boykins might want a word with you. Same with Allen Iverson, who may be 5'10" but only weighs 150 pounds and is headed for the Hall of Fame.

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 22):
sounds like something USC might do.

Yeah, but they still will never win as many national titles as UCLA  Wink

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 20):
However, no one will ever convince me that soccer requires more athletic ability than baseball. The hand/eye coordination required to succeed at baseball is greater than that of any other sport.

And the foot-eye coordination required in soccer? The hardest thing to do in sports might be to hit a baseball, but that is only one aspect of the game.
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:33 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
You're taking me the wrong way. I'm not undermining or making fun of your degree. What concerns me is so many of the athletes get degrees in seemingly low-end or dead-end areas and because of their devotion to the sport don't have the necessary skills to perform in the real world when they don't get drafted to play in the pros.

I didn't think you were knocking my degree at all. I was just pointing out that schools offer a lot of other degrees besides the ones people always think about.

I know what you mean about low end degrees. My personal favorite was University Studies. What does that mean? I never saw an athlete in the auto program. Probably too much hard work. I would bet it was the major where you got the dirtiest.

I know a guy with a ??? degree. He is in charge of the swimming pool and weight room in my parent's neighborhood. Nice guy, but when he told me he had a degree I was amazed. He played football. Maybe he has a degree in University Studies.  razz 
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:41 pm

I think this is apart of a long debate, each sport is intense in its own respective ways!
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:58 pm

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 20):
Try being a failure 7 out of 10 times at any non-athletic job, and see how long you can keep it

That sounds a lot like Shaq's free-throw percentage though.  wink 

Quoting Marcus (Reply 18):
I think golf is more physically demanding!

Which is why we use it as Physical Fitness in the Air Force.  biggrin 

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 5):
Why do you need a degree to play basketball? Any idiot can play basketball.

And what happens when two years into a player's career, he blows out his knee and his sports career is over? What does he have to fall back on?

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 20):
The hand/eye coordination required to succeed at baseball is greater than that of any other sport

It's pretty high in basketball too, from the standpoint of both dribbling and shooting.
Now I find soccer to be rather boring when watching it on tv, but it still requires a lot of coordination --just with your feet instead of your hands.

Now while we're on this subject of "athletes and sports", are NASCAR drivers "athletes"?  scratchchin 
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Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
The NBA and MLB should follow suit.

I'm not saying I completely disagree, but one thing that baseball has going for it is more in-depth farm (minor-league) system. Same with hockey.
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Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:55 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 27):

And what happens when two years into a player's career, he blows out his knee and his sports career is over? What does he have to fall back on?

Shaq did quite well after blowing out BOTH knees  Wink. Also, the NBA is heavy with guaranteed money contracts, which means that even a player that gets hurt early will still get a significant amount of money. In fact, the sport that has the least guaranteed money (football) is also the one that requires you have the most "education".

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 27):

I'm not saying I completely disagree, but one thing that baseball has going for it is more in-depth farm (minor-league) system. Same with hockey.

In hockey, however, the best players don't play in the minors for a particularly long time, if at all. You can't even win the Calder if you are over 26. As far as baseball goes, so what? Look at all the players who toil and never make it to the big club. Not exactly a great fall back there.
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Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:41 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 24):
Well, while he did do a fully 4 years of college, Amobe Okoye is only 19 and is going to do fine.

Why don't you get back to us after this next NFL season. That kid, while good in college and damn smart, is going to have a big bad wakeup call in the NFL next year. Nevermind the huge difference between the Big East and the NFL but just his abilities at that age versus someone in the league with a few years more experience and age. The one good thing he has going for him with his youth is the ability to heal quicker. He's going to need it.
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:27 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
As far as baseball goes, so what? Look at all the players who toil and never make it to the big club. Not exactly a great fall back there.

My point was that many athletes who go to college to play football and basketball use it as their "minor league" before trying to go pro, where as baseball and hockey have a far larger minor-league system with several levels, and that's the route many will choose.

Recently, some analysts did a comparison of the graduation rates from the four colleges who made it to the 1991 Final Four. The four teams were Duke, Kansas, UNLV, and UNC. Duke had a 100% graduation rate, I think UNC had a 70% and Kansas had a 30%, and UNLV had a 0% graduation rate, which tells you the guys who went to UNLV didn't go there to get an education; they went there to play basketball.
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:44 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
As far as baseball goes, so what?

Don't forget more and more kids are going to college for 3 years now days to play baseball. They are all elligible to be drafted again after their Jr. year of college. More kids are choosing this route in order to improve their draft status...And get an education. Yes, most that improve their draft status don't graduate because they leave early...But they are going there at least.
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Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:59 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 29):

Why don't you get back to us after this next NFL season. That kid, while good in college and damn smart, is going to have a big bad wakeup call in the NFL next year.

I still think he should have taken the offer to go to Harvard, but that is beside the point. He is not only smart, he has the size to play in the NFL.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 30):

My point was that many athletes who go to college to play football and basketball use it as their "minor league" before trying to go pro, where as baseball and hockey have a far larger minor-league system with several levels, and that's the route many will choose.

There is another key difference between leagues with minor league systems and those without them. The players get paid while in the minors and often have nice signing bonuses to sit on, while athletic scholarships don't bring kids out of rife poverty. One must also consider the economic backgrounds that most basketball players come from as opposed to the more middle/upper middle class background of baseball and hockey players

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 30):
and UNLV had a 0% graduation rate, which tells you the guys who went to UNLV didn't go there to get an education; they went there to play basketball

A lot of stories have been written about Tarktanian's Rebels.

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 31):

Don't forget more and more kids are going to college for 3 years now days to play baseball. They are all elligible to be drafted again after their Jr. year of college. More kids are choosing this route in order to improve their draft status...And get an education.

I don't think it is necessarily more and more, and I don't really think they are getting the full value of their education by leaving early. Further, draft status doesn't necessarily improve when they go to college.
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:17 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 30):
Recently, some analysts did a comparison of the graduation rates from the four colleges who made it to the 1991 Final Four. The four teams were Duke, Kansas, UNLV, and UNC. Duke had a 100% graduation rate, I think UNC had a 70% and Kansas had a 30%, and UNLV had a 0% graduation rate, which tells you the guys who went to UNLV didn't go there to get an education; they went there to play basketball.

While there was plenty of dirtiness going on with UNLV at that time those numbers are always a bit skewed IMO. Players are given 5 years to complete 4 years of eligibility but IIRC the graduation reporting is done on a 4 year cycle from the time they enter. I don't know about your school of choice but when I went to Florida many a moon ago I was required to have 124 credit hours minimum to graduate.

At a full 15 hours a semester that comes to 8.2 semesters which is over 4 years. (I luckily came in with 15 credits from AP tests and did a semester during the summer and still only graduated 1 semester before I normally would have.)Take a student athlete probably doing 12 hours a semester (still a full load by most standards and we can agree that the time spent in practie and the film room is equivalent to at least one more class if not two) then you are looking at 10.3 semesters which is now over 5 years and you can see the problem in getting that degree in the time frame defined by the NCAA.

I am personally more interested in how many graduate within 5 years given that they can take a redshirt year and not play in games. I think you'll see those numbers go higher overall though that UNLV team's wouldn't have done so.
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:15 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 32):
Further, draft status doesn't necessarily improve when they go to college.

Tell that to Mitch Canham, and Darwin Barney. If he had signed out of HS, he woudln't have gotten the 220K he just got as a signing bonus.

Tell that to Jacoby Ellsburry. He just got called up by the Red Sox before the break. He went to OSU, and was drafted by the Red Sox with their first over all pick. He got a nice signing bonus two years ago.

Time will tell if that helps Joey Wong, who was drafted by Houston out of HS last year. He just won his first College WS national title with OSU, and had a fantastic year.

Tell that to Jorge Reyes, the CWS most outstanding player. OSU almost used a red shirt on him this year. Guess they're glad he didn't. His draft status should be through the roof in two years.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 33):
While there was plenty of dirtiness going on with UNLV at that time those numbers are always a bit skewed IMO. Players are given 5 years to complete 4 years of eligibility but IIRC the graduation reporting is done on a 4 year cycle from the time they enter. I don't know about your school of choice but when I went to Florida many a moon ago I was required to have 124 credit hours minimum to graduate.

At a full 15 hours a semester that comes to 8.2 semesters which is over 4 years. (I luckily came in with 15 credits from AP tests and did a semester during the summer and still only graduated 1 semester before I normally would have.)Take a student athlete probably doing 12 hours a semester (still a full load by most standards and we can agree that the time spent in practie and the film room is equivalent to at least one more class if not two) then you are looking at 10.3 semesters which is now over 5 years and you can see the problem in getting that degree in the time frame defined by the NCAA.

I am personally more interested in how many graduate within 5 years given that they can take a redshirt year and not play in games. I think you'll see those numbers go higher overall though that UNLV team's wouldn't have done so.

Yes, but don't forget the tutoring given to these kids by the team. It amazes me how little time they have to spend in class, because each team has a tutor, and study time as a team.

My HS baseball assigner has a daughter on the Oregon State Swim team. She is a non-scholarship athlete. She, as a memeber of an athletic team, can bump a graduating senior who needs that credit out of a class, just because she wants in. She was a sophomore this year. Just because she is on a sports team at college, she can bump any kid out of a class, even if that student NEEDS that class for graduation.

That is the life of a D1 student. They get great help in passing classes.
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:24 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 34):
Yes, but don't forget the tutoring given to these kids by the team. It amazes me how little time they have to spend in class, because each team has a tutor, and study time as a team.

True but of all the athletes I had in my classes at Florida if it was a daytime class and they weren't travelling for a game their butts had damn well better have been in their seat. Florida's rule is you miss a class and you'll be missing a game unless you have a damn good excuse for it. No better way to punish an athlete because

Granted, not all programs run squeaky clean (and not saying we are perfect) but we made sure they were in class. Now whether they learned anything is always up for debate but they were there.
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RE: 14 Year Old Gets Commits To USC

Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:47 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 35):
True but of all the athletes I had in my classes at Florida if it was a daytime class and they weren't travelling for a game their butts had damn well better have been in their seat. Florida's rule is you miss a class and you'll be missing a game unless you have a damn good excuse for it. No better way to punish an athlete because

Granted, not all programs run squeaky clean (and not saying we are perfect) but we made sure they were in class. Now whether they learned anything is always up for debate but they were there

Yeah, but I'm just saying they get help above and beyond anything a non-athletic student will ever recieve. They have to work damn hard to fail a class.
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