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The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:00 pm

Hello all,

For most of this week, Nick@Nite has been running a Roseanne marathon starting at 9 or so, and I've been watching a lot of it.

I grew up in the late 80s and early 90s, which was the time of what I'll call the "ultra family sitcom" - like Full House, Family Matters, Step by Step, Home Improvement, etc...

While these shows were great, and I enjoyed way too many hours of my childhood watching them (and still like them today) - they were always so predictable, and everything would work out in the end like you knew it would. Roseanne was on in the same era, and while it was also in the family sitcom genre, it was markedly different than the ones mentioned above. Story lines were fairly true to life, mainly in that unexpected things happened and there wasn't always a silver lining.

Also, this was one of the first family sitcoms ever where the main character (and dominant character) was a women. Yes, the character Roseanne was acidic, loud, obnoxious, and not always the best mom/wife - but she was also smart and assertive, and played more of a patriarchal role in the family than her husband Dan, in an era where the majority of all sitcom wives were either secondary characters (Family Matters, Full House, Fresh Prince, Cosby Show) or at most the same level as the husband (Step by Step).

I think I appreciate it much more now as an adult than I did as a child, because over the past few years it has probably been my favorite re-run to watch (even moreso than Fresh Prince!).

But anywho, how do others feel about the show? I think the final season was way too easy, almost a cop out - the Conners win the lottery and get rich. Read more about the show here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseanne_%28TV_series%29
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:10 pm

I liked it up until the last season, when Dan had the affair with the nurse... Kind of ruined the show-but it had some real funny parts in it overall.
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:43 pm

Quoting Planespotting (Thread starter):
I think the final season was way too easy, almost a cop out - the Conners win the lottery and get rich.

I thought Dan died of a heart attack during the final season.... Roseanne was writing a letter to Dan about how life is after his passing. Does anybody remember that?
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:53 pm

I used to think it was a shitty show.

Then I saw an episode of "The Nanny." Would someone please tell me who that show's target audience was? I've NEVER met ANYONE who liked it or even watched it out of sheer boredom. You'd think someone in New York or Flushing or wherever would have had the balls to flatten Fran Drecsher under their car's tires and put her out of her whiny misery.



Anyway... I like "Roseanne" now.
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:40 pm

Never watched Roseanne when it was on originally...but now I love it. It up there for me with Friends, Seinfeld and Everybody Loves Raymond.

Roseanne was great because it was REAL and wasn't the glossed over happy family. The fact that it was different made it great....in the same way Raymond works because its about the grandparents rather than the kids.

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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:08 pm

Roseanne might have been the worst sitcom ever.

Way overrated.
Cheers...now there was a great show.
Even "the Wonder Years" was better.
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:12 pm

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 5):
Roseanne might have been the worst sitcom ever.

I'd like to nominate Degrassi or any other show on MTV/The n. Both channels blow.

From that era of television, i don't know, I didn't grow up with it.
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:22 pm

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 6):
I'd like to nominate Degrassi or any other show on MTV/The n. Both channels blow.

MTV has some decent shows, and has had some.
Beavis and Butthead, Real World, Parental Control, Liquid Television etc.
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:28 pm

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 7):
MTV has some decent shows, and has had some.

MTV used to be good. Now 95% of the stuff on MTV/The N/and dare I say it, yes I will, comedy central (all owned by Viacom) is crap. Little Bush, Next, The sarah silverman project, those stupid dating shows, and those pre-teen sterotypical dramas such as degrassi or whatever that one is with the word star or the stupid surf shows. Point is, Viacom sucks. They f**d up Nickelodian too, old school nicked rocked, then it spun off everything and produced stupid shows like the fairly odd parents. I used to love Comedy Central. Now I only find myself watching scrubs, south park, dailyshow/colbert and stand up on an ocasional basis. MTV is music television, not date shows galore for the shallow/sweet sixteen whatever.

F**king Viacom sold out

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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:51 pm

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 7):
Beavis and Butthead, Real World, Parental Control, Liquid Television etc.

Are you kidding me?? Ever since MTV started doing shows like that and reducing the showing of music videos, they SUCK! You barely see music videos on MTV anymore. It defies the point nowadays!

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 8):
MTV is music television, not date shows galore for the shallow/sweet sixteen whatever.

 checkmark  I could care less about the Real World type shows that MTV has on there. Im real disappointed in how MTV has changed over the years.
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:54 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):

Are you kidding me?? Ever since MTV started doing shows like that and reducing the showing of music videos, they SUCK! You barely see music videos on MTV anymore. It defies the point nowadays!

Beavis and Butthead was the greatest.
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:00 pm

Quoting Planespotting (Thread starter):
The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Was crap. But what do you expect from a show depicting a "trailer park" type family?

Quoting Planespotting (Thread starter):
Step by Step

 thumbsdown 

Quoting Planespotting (Thread starter):
Fresh Prince

 thumbsdown 

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 4):
Friends

 thumbsdown 

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 6):
Degrassi

 thumbsdown 

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 3):
The Nanny

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Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 5):
the Wonder Years

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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:01 pm

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 10):
Beavis and Butthead

you musta been on a lot of pot back when they ran that show.
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:06 pm

Quoting TheCol (Reply 11):
Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 4):
Friends

*thumbs down*

You're nuts. That was a great show on NBC!

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 12):
Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 10):
Beavis and Butthead

you musta been on a lot of pot back when they ran that show.

 rotfl  Thats funny!
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:11 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Friends

*thumbs down*

You're nuts. That was a great show on NBC!

Friends was crap, this is what the entire show was like.



waste 10 seasons or two minutes, you decide?
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:23 pm

Quoting TheCol (Reply 11):
Quoting Planespotting (Thread starter):Fresh Prince
  

Thumbs down on Fresh Prince?!?! HEATHEN!!!
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:27 pm

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 14):
waste 10 seasons or two minutes, you decide?

Jennifer Aniston and Courteney Cox were hot, and still are.
Can't argue with that.

and B&B is hysterical. No idea how someone could find it dumb.
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:29 pm

Quoting TheCol (Reply 11):
Was crap. But what do you expect from a show depicting a "trailer park" type family?

good point.

A lot of 80s TV shows sucked. Fresh Prince included.

Cheers was the exception. That might have been the greatest show ever.
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:31 pm

This was great television.

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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:33 pm

I never really cared for that show. That family was just gross to me.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Quoting TheCol (Reply 11):
Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 4):
Friends

*thumbs down*

You're nuts. That was a great show on NBC!

That's the biggest mystery to me. "Friends" is the lamest show ever to have such a huge following. Everyone loved that steaming pile of crap and I cannot figure out why. It was beyond cheesy and the writing was so tired that you could see the punchlines coming long before they had even been set up. It was utter garbage and the whole world sucked it up like it was the best thing ever. There was nothing clever or entertaining about it and I hated it. I'm so glad it's not being filmed anymore because I couldn't stand when people would talk about it at work.
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:42 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 3):

I kinda liked The nanny lol

There was also a show where a little girl was the main character, with a very distinctive theme tune. An 80s show please help me find it.
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:44 pm

Quoting Trekster (Reply 20):

There was also a show where a little girl was the main character, with a very distinctive theme tune. An 80s show please help me find it.

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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:10 pm

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 21):
Who's The Boss

Na.
The show centered around the little girl. The theme tune if im not mistaken had her name in it, but for the love of god I cant recall it
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:31 pm

I liked FP, Frasier, Cheers and TNG. Roseanne was horrendous, but Cheers is certainly on the other end of the scale. The crap on TV now mostly blows...the Discovery stuff is a lot better though.

Too bad TV can't all equal Cheers and Fawlty Towers.
 
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:05 pm

Quoting Planespotting (Thread starter):
Also, this was one of the first family sitcoms ever where the main character (and dominant character) was a women.

Women have been main/dominant characters in sitcoms since TV has been around... "I Love Lucy" (and all the other Lucy shows), "Maude", "Good Times", "The Doris Day Show", "The Mary Tyler Moore Show", etc...

"Roseanne" has an edgey quality too it that I appreciate more now that it's in reruns....
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:13 pm

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 24):
Women have been main/dominant characters in sitcoms since TV has been around... "I Love Lucy" (and all the other Lucy shows), "Maude", "Good Times", "The Doris Day Show", "The Mary Tyler Moore Show", etc...

That's true, but if you actually watch those shows, many times the women were still being subjugated by their men - not in a terrible way, but like with Lucy, she would often do something that was funny or a little ridiculous, and Desi could come in and there'd be some interplay, and the audience would be laughing at her in the "oh my she's a woman" humor that was so ubiquitous at the time.

Roseanne was different. She made many of the decisions, some of them right, some of them wrong, and the family had to deal with the consequences. Dan Conner played an ancillary role at best.

Despite this, he was definitely one of the greatest assets of the show, and his witty yet teddy bearish persona was a great foil to Roseanne's character.
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:40 pm

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 25):
That's true, but if you actually watch those shows, many times the women were still being subjugated by their men - not in a terrible way, but like with Lucy, she would often do something that was funny or a little ridiculous, and Desi could come in and there'd be some interplay, and the audience would be laughing at her in the "oh my she's a woman" humor that was so ubiquitous at the time.

Have you ever watched "Maude" or "Good Times"? The female lead characters in those shows had their hubbies by the gonads.

"I Love Lucy" was a pair of comics, Lucy & Ethel, playing off of the straightmen, Desi & Fred. This was a very similiar schtick to those used by other comedy teams of the time - Abbott & Costello, Three Stooges, etc... Lucies gender dictated the situation but not the comedy or the timing.....

Roseanne was far from the first strong female lead in a US sitcom... She was certainly the most sarcastic & probably the edgiest, though BeBe Neuwirth in Cheers would give her a run for her money in the edgy category....
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:04 am

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 26):
Have you ever watched "Maude" or "Good Times"? The female lead characters in those shows had their hubbies by the gonads.

You are right about Maude (i've never seen good times), it could be considered even edgier than Roseanne, especially since it was on in the 1970s. However, Maude was the product of a man's mind, and even then her character was what TV guide called in 1972 "a caricature of the knee jerk liberal," while Roseanne was (for the most part) Roseanne's own creation.

Your point is well taken though about the history of women as dominant television characters - I just think that in the "everything always works out great" sitcom atmosphere of the late 80s and early 90s, Roseanne defied the traditional television mold, and was groundbreaking in its own right.
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Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:08 am



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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:25 am

Quoting Trekster (Reply 20):
There was also a show where a little girl was the main character, with a very distinctive theme tune. An 80s show please help me find it.





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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:45 am

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 29):

Good, but not hte show im thinking of

In the intro seq, it zoomed into an american style bunaglow, with a catchy tune.

80's early ealry 90's if i recall

HELP ME lol
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:15 am

"Roseanne" was decent except for the last few seasons, then it sucked.

But for late-'80s, early-'90s comedy, nothing beats:

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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:48 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):

You're nuts. That was a great show on NBC!



Quoting Kevi747 (Reply 19):
That's the biggest mystery to me. "Friends" is the lamest show ever to have such a huge following. Everyone loved that steaming pile of crap and I cannot figure out why. It was beyond cheesy and the writing was so tired that you could see the punchlines coming long before they had even been set up. It was utter garbage and the whole world sucked it up like it was the best thing ever. There was nothing clever or entertaining about it and I hated it. I'm so glad it's not being filmed anymore because I couldn't stand when people would talk about it at work.

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 15):

I thought Will Smith was really good in it, but the writing sucked overall.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 17):

Cheers was the exception. That might have been the greatest show ever.

Cheers actually had good actors and top notch writers. That's why most of those actors went on to do their own stuff, with a lot of success.
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:19 am

Im sure the show im thinking of is "Life goes on" but im not 100% sure.

It has the right theme tune though. I was sure it was centered around a little girl, i musta got it wrong
Ob la de ob la de life goes on is the theme tune, came into my head this mornin lol
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:23 am

Roseanne was fantastic... except for the first and last seasons. Very realistic depiction of blue collar America... the characters were fabulous... especially Jackie and her mother. One of my very favorite shows.
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:24 am

I hated the Roseanne show and I can't stand Roseanne either. By the way where is she now?
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:56 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
I thought Dan died of a heart attack during the final season.... Roseanne was writing a letter to Dan about how life is after his passing. Does anybody remember that?

Dan had a heart attack at Darlene's wedding. We are led to believe that he survived that and went on into the last season. He has an affair with a nurse and Roseanne wins the lottery. However, the very last episode tells us that the series was the personified version of Roseanne's book about her life (or something along those lines) and that some things were made up to make them seem better than they were. For example, Dan really died after the heart attack. Darlene was together with Mark instead of David and Becky was together with David instead of Mark. Which was rather predictable considering that throughout the series it always seemed that the couples were wrong... She talked about how Jackie was lesbian and her mother was not. And about how she did not win the lottery.
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RE: The Tv Show "Roseanne"

Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:00 am

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 26):
She was certainly the most sarcastic & probably the edgiest

No way! I'd give that nod to Bea Arthur as Maude any day.

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