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War Cowards Are They?

Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:16 am

Maybe the title can be considered spin by the GOP.

But I read/watched this video about young college republicans who are some of the Bush Administrations Great supporters and explained the need for the Iraq war. But asked about why they aren't serving in Iraq and the pink underwear was exposed(No offense to those who wear them)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-bl...eration-chickenhawk-t_b_56676.html

"In conversations with at least twenty College Republicans about the war in Iraq, I listened as they lip-synched discredited cant about "fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here." Many of the young GOP cadres I met described the so-called "war on terror" as nothing less than the cause of their time.

Yet when I asked these College Repulicans why they were not participating in this historical cause, they immediately went into contortions. Asthma. Bad knees from playing catcher in high school. "Medical reasons." "It's not for me." These were some of the excuses College Republicans offered for why they could not fight them "over there." Like the current Republican leaders who skipped out on Vietnam, the GOP's next generation would rather cheerlead from the sidelines for the war in Iraq while other, less privileged young men and women fight and die."
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:27 am

Just as many bad "cowards" on the left side as well . . .

Oh, and the source: Ariana Huffington!  rotfl 

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
Like the current Republican leaders who skipped out on Vietnam, the GOP's next generation would rather cheerlead from the sidelines for the war in Iraq while other, less privileged young men and women fight and die."

Recognizing this instantly as an anti-Republican, and anti-conservative thread, I can assure you, the smarter righties here won't take the bait . . .


They will recognize the thread for waht it is - another bash fest in the making . . . .


Press on. It'll be good for laugh.
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:33 am

Quoting ,reply=:

So you're kinda like a Cheney Republican...





Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Oh, and the source: Ariana Huffington! rotfl

Here you go... a more 'unbiased' source:  sarcastic 


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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:00 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Just as many bad "cowards" on the left side as well . . .

How can you compare these people with "cowards" on the left who don't support the war? Call me nuts, but there's a big gap in hypocrisy between College Republicans that advocate for and support the war while explaining their lack of participation (I love the "I'd be there if I could"/"weak knees" crap) and anti-war students who want absolutely nothing to do with it while demanding its immediate end. It almost sounds like you're suggesting that anyone unwilling to stop asking questions and take up the fight is a "coward." Perhaps you're referring to the equally pro-war leftists out there who aren't enlisting?  sarcastic 

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):

Recognizing this instantly as an anti-Republican, and anti-conservative thread, I can assure you, the smarter righties here won't take the bait . . .


They will recognize the thread for waht it is - another bash fest in the making . . . .

Because nobody criticizing the right has any reasonable basis for doing so. We just hate freedom and everything America stands for.

Seriously. Why not address the subject under discussion further? Why aren't the College Republicans that so fervently supporting the war in Iraq signing up to fight the good fight? If they believe in it so strongly, why aren't they willing to take it up themselves? Surely there must be soldiers in Iraq today asking the same question, especially amidst all this talk of needing more troops.

I have a hard time believing that somebody that stands so strongly behind the U.S. military isn't wondering what's keeping these kids from joining. I have no doubt that there are plenty out there whose "knees" are perfectly fine.
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:28 am

Kids be honest and just admit you are afraid of dying and own it, we all know you are lying anyways about your health problems. Also what is the main reason that lower class kids enlist, its free college and they have a chance at getting a head start.

Being their age I can pretty much say that no college student wears a suit willingly unless they are showing of their daddy's $$$ and saying I'm better than you, and this convention would have the same effect if it was casual. Really how is this different from a war protest with the extreme left in a university as its the thing on the other side.

Having your opinions is fine but do you really need to listen to Tom Delay (look what happened to him) you have a lot of growing up to do and learning to do and being that age my views are changing all the time which is why I feel that this is brainwashing and wrong.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:37 am

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 4):
Really how is this different from a war protest with the extreme left in a university as its the thing on the other side.

Ummm...because those of us on the "extreme left" are opposed to the war and refuse to support its continuation? I don't see how you can make that comparison...you're comparing a bunch of kids who support the war but won't fight in it with those who are against it and won't. The respective relations between word and deed are hardly comparable.
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:05 am

Funny.

How many of you anti war in Iraq guys supported the US military humanitarian interventions of the past?

How many of you were there with us?

Yeah, none, that's what I thought.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:10 am

Quoting Mdorbust (Reply 6):
How many of you anti war in Iraq guys supported the US military humanitarian interventions of the past?

How do the two compare? I'm all for the use of the military for humanitarian aid, the South East Asia tsunami being one example in particular, even though we weren't altogether welcome by everyone.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:16 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 3):
Seriously. Why not address the subject under discussion further? Why aren't the College Republicans that so fervently supporting the war in Iraq signing up to fight the good fight? If they believe in it so strongly, why aren't they willing to take it up themselves? Surely there must be soldiers in Iraq today asking the same question, especially amidst all this talk of needing more troops.

Those folks "support the troops" because as long as there are other people stepping up to the plate, their precious asses can stay nice and safe at home. As you said, if they truly support the troops and believe in the war so strongly, why aren't they over there yet? Medical reasons? BS....
 
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:27 am

Quoting Mdorbust (Reply 6):
How many of you anti war in Iraq guys supported the US military humanitarian interventions of the past?

Different subject (probably what you were looking for) and incomparable military engagement altogether, but I'll bite.

Quoting Mdorbust (Reply 6):
How many of you were there with us?

You make it sound like humanitarian missions can only be carried out by the military and that everybody opposed to the war in Iraq is sitting at home watching paint dry! There are plenty of people around the world right now engaging in humanitarian activities who also oppose the current wars being waged by the United States government. To many of us, military service is not seen as the best way to go about carrying out humanitarian efforts.

So to answer your question as to where "we" were: in soup kitchens, homeless shelters, free schools, Peace Corps, non-profit aid organizations, etc. There's no shortage of non-military organizations out there that are doing what they can to make a difference in humanitarian crises around the world.
 
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:38 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 5):
Ummm...because those of us on the "extreme left" are opposed to the war and refuse to support its continuation? I don't see how you can make that comparison...you're comparing a bunch of kids who support the war but won't fight in it with those who are against it and won't. The respective relations between word and deed are hardly comparable.

I'm talking on the broader level of extremism with people like Tom Delay spewing neo-conservative propaganda to impressionable university students is the same evil as an extreme liberal university student listening to an extreme liberal like Cindy Sheenan.
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:52 am

I'd say that if an able bodied person is for the war and does not volunteer then they better have a great reason or they'll immediately get a sideways look from me. But I respect their decision to do what they have done, even though I'm more suspect of their motives and less likely to want them on the forefront of the decisionmaking.


If a person doesn't qualify medically then that's legit, and to mock them is a cheap shot.

If a person on the left or right doesn't serve then I consider their opinion of service to be less informed than that of someone who has served, but they are no less free to opine than anyone else.

SO......

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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:57 am

There is an argument to be made that any Commander-in-Chief who sends troops into voluntary combat (as Iraq qualifies) should also send his own of-age children into the same conflict -- this may serve to reduce the military adventures of the US. The argument against this philosophy is that this would violate the nature of a "free country".
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:00 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
How do the two compare?

Two military actions.

One broadly supported, the other not.

Didn't see many people volunteering then... don't see many volunteering now.

Don't think anyone got trashed for not volunteering then...

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 9):
You make it sound like humanitarian missions can only be carried out by the military and that everybody opposed to the war in Iraq is sitting at home watching paint dry!

Do you take extra pleasure in inventing things you think I said?

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 9):
So to answer your question as to where "we" were: in soup kitchens, homeless shelters, free schools, Peace Corps, non-profit aid organizations, etc.

That's great... but we're talking about military service, remember?
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:07 pm

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 13):
That's great... but we're talking about military service, remember?

Cut the snide bullshit MD. It sounds to me like you're saying that people interested in humanitarian efforts should all join the military when it undertakes such efforts, and that's ridiculous. Some of us interested in helping people out couldn't be less interested in a lot of the other stuff that comes with military service (the specifics of which I'm not going to get into here), hence, we don't enlist. Not interested. Thanks.
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:36 pm

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
less privileged young men and women fight and die.

How many "privileged" people join the (US) military, or have in the past? Privileged = rich/right school/right college/right job/right connections, in this context.
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:34 pm

Quoting Mdorbust (Reply 6):
Funny.

How many of you anti war in Iraq guys supported the US military humanitarian interventions of the past?

How many of you were there with us?

Yeah, none, that's what I thought.

Funny that you believe that whomever was or is against the war in Iraq is automatically against all other things the military is or was involved with.

not funny but ludicrous.

Many outstanding and courageous (also military) people are against this war and I don't see you saying that against them face to face.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:57 pm

This is truly sickening! These College Republicans are ready to fight the war, not to the last drop of blood, but to the last Blacks, Rednecks, and other Blue Collar workers. If You think the war in Iraq is so important, You should stand first in line when Your local Army, Navy,Marine, or Air Force recruitment office opens for business on Monday. A medical condition that disqualified You last year can very well be of no consequence this year.
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I believe that these kids would try option B, then C.

And would someone tell the College Republicans that every day of US military presence in Iraq is a propaganda victory for AlQaida, regardless of the days military and humanitarian outcome. They (the Islamists) have always wanted home pitch, and GWB gave it to them.
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Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:41 pm

Hilarious clip! Especially Tom Delays anti-abortion rant... but Tom, why stop there? I would also blame the gays...they are also responsible for the import of illegal aliens, because they don't reproduce enough to keep up the workers levels, their non-existing offspring must also, without any doubt, be the exact number of troops missing to finally once and forever root out all evil terrorists and other non-republican people...

Stil, history has always shown us that the war isn't fought by the rich or their children... as always, those living closer to the edge of society are easier targets for recruiters...
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:10 am

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
Yet when I asked these College Repulicans why they were not participating in this historical cause, they immediately went into contortions.

You can't very easily ask the ones who do cheerlead for the war and ARE over there can you?
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:53 am

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 19):
You can't very easily ask the ones who do cheerlead for the war and ARE over there can you?

Well, it would be rather silly to ask them why they didn't enlist when they are enlisted, dontcha think?  sarcastic   sarcastic 
 
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:32 am

These smarmy ass students are horrible to watch, they're fools. How can you possibly claim to believe something so deeply to your core and not stand up and do something. Weak. Don't get me wrong I realize that there is some skew to it all being a Huffington production but still those kids did not look coerced into saying anything.

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Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:54 am

Quoting WellHung (Reply 20):
Well, it would be rather silly to ask them why they didn't enlist when they are enlisted, dontcha think?

My point is not everyone who supports the war is a gutless college student. Some did put their ass on the line for what they believe in.
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:16 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 14):
It sounds to me like you're saying that people interested in humanitarian efforts should all join the military

Quit making up things you think I said.

Quoting ArniePie (Reply 16):
Funny that you believe that whomever was or is against the war in Iraq is automatically against all other things the military is or was involved with.

You also appear to have Gunsontheroof disorder.

I'll make this really clear for the contextually impaired.

Current thread: OMG they supportz da war an didn't go fight! hipocritZZZZZZZZ.

My point: I bet you guys supported other military actions, and didn't go fight. Hipocritzzzzzzzz.

Now please, carry on making up stuff that I never said.
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:18 am

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 22):
My point is not everyone who supports the war is a gutless college student. Some did put their ass on the line for what they believe in.

The answer to a question no one asked. As clearly pointed out in the statement (that you quoted), he referred to:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 19):
these College Repulicans

Meaning these people who support the war are gutless college students. Not all college Republicans, students, whatever.
 
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:23 am

Quoting WellHung (Reply 24):
Meaning these people who support the war are gutless college students. Not all college Republicans, students, whatever.

Sorry to offend you and waste your precious internet time.
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Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:44 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 23):
You also appear to have Gunsontheroof disorder.

Maybe if you meant something else you should reread and rephrase your reply number 6 because it could mean more things than what you seem to want it to say.
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:57 pm

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 23):
Quit making up things you think I said.

Preceding my comment with "it sounds to me like..." is hardly putting words in your mouth. This seems to be your favorite tool in attempting to curtly discredit other posters though, so whatever.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 23):
My point: I bet you guys supported other military actions, and didn't go fight. Hipocritzzzzzzzz.

Let me attempt to explain the difference in the respective "support" in question here.

College Republicans "supporting" the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq: "YES! GO! INVADE! DO AND Irtysh-Avia (Kazakhstan)">IT! ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY! THE WAY FORWARD! SUPPORT THE TROOPS! DON'T CUT AND RUN! SURGE! HOO-YAH!"

"Hipocritzzzzzz" that "supported" those other military actions in humanitarian situations: "Ummm...fine I guess. Not sure why the military needs to be involved, but I suppose if they're helping out, there's nothing to get upset about."

or simply:

"Good for them!"

You'll note a discernible difference in the level of enthusiasm. Not that you care though, the comparison is good enough for your purposes.
 
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:05 pm

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 23):
Current thread: OMG they supportz da war an didn't go fight! hipocritZZZZZZZZ.

My point: I bet you guys supported other military actions, and didn't go fight. Hipocritzzzzzzzz.

So you do agree that you're a hypocrite for supporting the war, but not joining up? Good. It's refreshing to see someone so humble.
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:54 pm

Look at the 'role models' these 'Young Republicans' have. VP Cheney beat the draft with deferments and Pres. Bush used his family connections to serve in the reserves and stay in the USA and not end up doing duty in the Vietnam during the War there. Today it is a volunteer military, not a draft era, so to say they are cowards not to serve is a little different than in the Vietnam era.
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To me where these 'Young Republicans' are real cowards is their rejecting to pay for this war now, with higher taxes on oil and higher income tax rates on the 'rich', their support of the misuse of information by the Administration to get us into Iraq, the failure to properly fund Homeland Security and support what is really needed to be done, their absolute belief in reducing regulations that help big business and hurt the masses, dismissing Global Warming issues and their obsessive bashing of the Democrats with a 'liberal' label. To me they just come off as a bunch of bullies and a lot of bullies are cowards with a false cover.
 
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:08 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 28):
So you do agree that you're a hypocrite for supporting the war, but not joining up?

Nope. MDorBust, unlike, I'll bet most of the people discussed by the TO, at least wears a uniform and polices the streets of his city. I'll make an even $$$ bet, right now, that the people discussed wouldn't consider the military any more than they'd consider the police forces or fire department or any other "public servant" function . . .

Any takers? 777?
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:24 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 30):
Nope. MDorBust, unlike, I'll bet most of the people discussed by the TO, at least wears a uniform and polices the streets of his city. I'll make an even $$$ bet, right now, that the people discussed wouldn't consider the military any more than they'd consider the police forces or fire department or any other "public servant" function . . .

So let me get this straight, MDorBust is allowed to be a hypocrite because's a cop?

MDorBust, there's nothing stopping you serving your country and doing your duty in Iraq, why don't you go?
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:43 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 31):
So let me get this straight, MDorBust is allowed to be a hypocrite because's a cop?

I see nothing hypocritical in his comments.

He is already serving his country . . . unlike you I'll bet.
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 32):
I see nothing hypocritical in his comments.

He is already serving his country

So civil servants are excluded in your bizarre rules?

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 31):
MDorBust, there's nothing stopping you serving your country and doing your duty in Iraq, why don't you go?
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Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:57 pm

I like to join organizations like this with my fellow Republicans just so I can make the following suggestion:

"Why dont we run around and apologize to everyone in the world? Then pull our own pants down? And then kill ourselves."

As a proud Republican, I am eager to help my party improve its moral standing with that strategy.
 
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:12 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 33):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 32):
I see nothing hypocritical in his comments.

So civil servants are excluded in your bizarre rules?

Civil Servants that have already served their country - or are currently serving their country . . . unlike you I'll bet.

The rules aren't bizarre - and they aren't rules - they are opinions. Just like yours.

He is already serving his country . . . .did you miss that part?

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 32):
He is already serving his country . . . unlike you I'll bet.
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:14 am

If they have legitimate medical reasons for not joining you can't really fault them for that.

Plus, there are ways to support the war effort without being in uniform.
 
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:15 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 34):
"Why dont we run around and apologize to everyone in the world? Then pull our own pants down? And then kill ourselves."

As a proud Republican, I am eager to help my party improve its moral standing with that strategy.

Well it wouldn't undo ALL the damage, but it's certainly a good start.

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Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:20 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 35):
He is already serving his country . . . .did you miss that part?

He's not in Iraq though, doing the thing he suggests everyone else should do. Why not, do you think?
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:31 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 38):
He's not in Iraq though, doing the thing he suggests everyone else should do. Why not, do you think?

Geezus, here we go again:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 32):
He is already serving his country . . . unlike you I'll bet.



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 35):
He is already serving his country . . . .did you miss that part?

I'm not in Iraq either . . .

Tell me, 777 . . .what sorts of activities have YOU performed to serve your country - to support the troops (not the wart mind you - I know how you feel about that) - other than to come here and piss and moan about cops, GIs, taxes, the gov't (both yours and mine), I see no evidence you've done anything.

Now lets talk hypocrite.
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Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:36 am

Why is it so hard for everyone to understand that at the end of the day, everyone wants the same common goal: a peaceful, free state? There's all this bickering and bitching and bullying about the war and life at home that everything is getting so convoluded that its easy to be swayed by things like Fox news and "flip-flopper" and "cut and run" and all that bullshit that's being thrown around lately. What's especially sad is the state of our media, as some hard-line Republicans will say that "we can't show them any 'chink in our armor' on TV, because we know Al-Qaeda is watching," a line that has been repeated ad-nauseam by the administration mainly it seems when they're hiding something, when in fact all Al-Qaeda has to do is watch five minutes of CNN or FOX to see that we're running around with our heads in the sand and our thumbs up our butts. It wouldn't be this way if we all just realized whats important and this petty bullshit nonsense is, well, just that.
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:37 am

Some of those-and I emphasize-SOME of those-who are the biggest cheerleaders for war, and for putting American lives on the line, are often the ones who are the most frightened to go themselves.

It's one thing for someone on the left who is against the war, to say they have no desire to go, but for those who openly cheer the war, who can go, and then hide from it personally, is the utmost in cowardice.
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:39 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 39):

I'm not in Iraq either . . .

I know! Don't get me started about you as well...

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 39):
Tell me, 777 . . .what sorts of activities have YOU performed to serve your country - to support the troops (not the wart mind you - I know how you feel about that) - other than to come here and piss and moan about cops, GIs, taxes, the gov't (both yours and mine), I see no evidence you've done anything.

Now you're suggesting that someone has a reduced moral right to exercise their freedom to have an opinion if they haven't 'served their country' in whatever way you see fit?

MDorBust, given that you support the war on Iraq, why aren't you serving your country and going over there to fight?
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:41 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 42):
I know! Don't get me started about you as well...

Fire away . . . if you've the temerity and the gut . . .

BUT, before you do . . .

Been there, done that . . . have you?



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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:45 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 43):
Fire away . . . if you've the temerity and the gut . . .

I was joking. Nice to see it flew over your head.
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:53 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 44):

I was joking. Nice to see it flew over your head.

Bullshit.
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:03 am

Quoting Graphic (Reply 45):
Bullshit.

Don't you think I've been here long enough to know that ANCFlyer used to be in the army?!

Still waiting for MDorBust's answers to my questions.
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:04 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 39):
what sorts of activities have YOU performed to serve your country

We pay taxes and we obey the law - this is the extent of any citizen's debt "debt" to his or her country. These taxes pay for, among other things, a defence force, which other citizens have chosen to join as professional soldiers, with all of the risk and reward that that entails. These professionals are doing the job for which they are paid, just as I do the job for which I am paid. If as citizens we disapprove of the job for which our defence forces are being paid, we have to change the politicians. This is not the fault of the military themselves, although they should be entitled to voice their opinion if the task to which they are put is immoral, or illegal. They may be paid professionals, but they are citizens too, and have rights and moral duties as well. The military and those who serve do not inhabit some imaginary moral high ground that entitles them to respect and deference not due to any citizen in a free democracy. They are entitled to rewards and respect due any hard-working, law-abiding citizen, and these rewards should be commensurate with the task they have chosen (same with doctors, nurses, teachers, policemen etc).

I have undertaken military service (involuntarily, I hasten to add), and at no stage did I feel I was due anything other than my salary. It's not a sacrifice, it's a job - admittedly an unpleasant and dangerous job, but so is firefighting and police work, but I don't see any yellow ribbons say "Support our Cops". The US has created this kind of warrior-myth around their military forces - I don't know the reasons for this, but it exists. This may be because for over 100 years, all US military involvement has been outside their own country, making it easy for the folks back home to have a rosy, complacent image of war as something that happens overseas. As voters we also have chosen our governments to decide how and where these defense forces are deployed. If we dislike or disapprove of the way these forces are deployed it is our duty as citizens to enforce our will by voting for politicians who will act according to our wishes. This happened in Spain, this will happen in Australia, and in the US, as is always the way with democracy. That is the best possible way to serve your country and support your troops.
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:10 am

From my experiences, I must say that college/young Republicans are the biggest group of morons (hyprocrites?). They're used to mommy and daddy giving them everything, then they go about and praise GWB and policies, yet they are out "banging" people every night. Yeah, nice to see you support morals and values supported by the Republican party, but can't take them upon yourself.  sarcastic  I believe what they are stem's from their parents being Republicans...yet, they have no clue about what it is to be a Republican.

Not to say the college Democrats aren't any better...

As for me, I am seriously contemplating the military after college. Many people tell me to look beyond the military, yet, I feel in the wrong, as I sit in the comforts of the U.S.A., with our materialistic commercials, SUVs, Air Conditioning, etc. I constantly feel the sense of guilt that I am not over there (Iraq), despite my opposition to the war. In the meantime...I still donate a lot to our troops.
 
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RE: War Cowards Are They?

Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:21 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 47):
We pay taxes

You do that whether we are at war or not. Irrelevent response.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 47):
This is not the fault of the military themselves

Not according to some on this board my friend.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 47):
This may be because for over 100 years, all US military involvement has been outside their own country, making it easy for the folks back home to have a rosy, complacent image of war as something that happens overseas.

And because, with three exceptions, we've managed to keep the bullets flying in places other than the United States.

Pearl Harbor, the Aleutians, and 9/11.
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