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Stupid Landscaper Tricks.

Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:41 am

Whoever started landscaping here on my property did something that strikes me as a really bad idea. They planted about fifty trees inside old car tires. By the time I bought this place they were all mature and providing shade, a valuable commodity in the desert. Here, you learn to like trees.

Well, starting with a Russian olive a couple of years ago, the trees started showing signs of distress. They grow too big for the tires and get "ringed" which is, the bark gets cut off on the bead of the tire and they cannot get water anymore.

On the Russian olive it took me several days with a Dremel, tinsnips, dikes and a big honkin' prybar to get the steel-belted radial tire off. I poked full many a hole in my hands and arms with the wires in the tires and shed much blood in the process. The tree is recovering but one very large branch died and had to be cut away. On a couple of the smaller trees I was able to prune them way back and lift the tire over the top.

So what are they thinking? Who does this? Who dreams of having their own home so they can scatter old tire carcasses around? Is there someone out there who thinks that looks good? ...is a good idea? Free advice: Don't plant trees in tires. In fact, if that is even legal where you live, move to a better neighborhood.

Anyway, rant over. Can anyone recommend a tool or combination that can make shorter work of cutting a steel-belted radial tire in half? High speed saws and the like melt the rubber or even catch it on fire.
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RE: Stupid Landscaper Tricks.

Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:51 am

I'm trying to think way back here...We used to use tires to hold dowm plastic sheating (very large rolls actually) on open pit silage, corn, cotton etc.

Oh, I know what should work A Sawzall. We use them to cut overhead steel cable tray in communications centers.

http://www.cpomilwaukee.com/saws/saw..._saws/corded_sawzalls/6523-21.html

It is rather low speed so it shouldn't melt the rubber, or at least to much. You should be able to rent one.
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RE: Stupid Landscaper Tricks.

Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:52 am

Never mind, delete

The message you were about to post is too short and probably not of any higher value to the topic at hand. You should think long and hard before posting a message in this forum and make it detailed and a valuable addition to the topic discussed.

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RE: Stupid Landscaper Tricks.

Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:54 am

Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 2):
difficult to find something to go through metal and rubber.

Truly! That has been the problem.

Quoting AirSpare (Reply 1):
Sawzall

I shall look into that. Thanks.
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RE: Stupid Landscaper Tricks.

Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:58 am



Go to your local Home Depot and rent one of these bad-boys... be done in a matter of minutes. I've seen construction workers go from cutting 36" concrete drain pipe to cutting 2x4's with the same saw
 
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RE: Stupid Landscaper Tricks.

Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:00 am

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 4):
one of these bad-boys

They be the bomb for armoured cars...
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RE: Stupid Landscaper Tricks.

Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:11 am

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 4):
be done in a matter of minutes.

And kill the tree.

When you have a tree trunk bound by a tight, constricting band, you have to be very careful not to damage the cambian layer any further. That zoom-zoom saw ain't no precision device when it comes to performing tree surgery. It's like using a razor knife to remove a sliver from your finger. You know damned well something's going to go wrong before you even start.

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RE: Stupid Landscaper Tricks.

Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:18 am

Quoting AirSpare (Reply 1):
Oh, I know what should work A Sawzall. We use them to cut overhead steel cable tray in communications centers.

http://www.cpomilwaukee.com/saws/saw....html

Good choice. Then you can use a bolt cutter to cut the bead.
 
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RE: Stupid Landscaper Tricks.

Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:07 pm

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 6):
When you have a tree trunk bound by a tight, constricting band, you have to be very careful not to damage the cambian layer any further. That zoom-zoom saw ain't no precision device when it comes to performing tree surgery. It's like using a razor knife to remove a sliver from your finger. You know damned well something's going to go wrong before you even start.

Actually the saw cuts really smooth and is easy to handle... the rotational motion of the blade lends itself to being more stable than the back-and-forth motion of the sawz-all. IMHO the sawzall would do more damage, although nothing can be as bad as leaving the tires on to essentially choke the tree.
 
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RE: Stupid Landscaper Tricks.

Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:57 pm

Quoting Queso (Reply 7):

I would have expected you to suggest shooting it off...  Silly
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RE: Stupid Landscaper Tricks.

Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:43 pm

Sounds like a prototype for this "invention".

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...57.PN.&OS=PN/4932157&RS=PN/4932157

A tree surround which is provided to confine shredded or bark material at the base of a tree for the purpose of retaining moisture and likewise prevent the growth of weeds thereby maintaining neat appearance of the tree area, the surround being made from tire carcasses, specifically the sidewalls thereof which would normally be a problem to dispose of and costly to otherwise destroy, the shape of the sidewall and the contact of the severed outer periphery with the ground making possible use of power equipment to trim weeds which may grow near such periphery.

As to removing the tires. Any large industrial cutters/shears you can hire? Or nibblers

http://www.toolbarn.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=nibblers%20
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RE: Stupid Landscaper Tricks.

Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:05 pm

Disclaimer - Though I haven't tried it on tires, I have used it on PVC pipe with great success.

Have you tried a wire saw? Essentially this is a piece of heavy wire with two handles on each side. You pull the wire back and forth under tension and the friction essentially melts / cuts the wire through the object. They're relatively cheap (less than $10) and can typically found at Home Depot in the sprinkler section.
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RE: Stupid Landscaper Tricks.

Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:43 pm

I would try an electric angle grinder with a cutting wheel for metal in one vertical cut and use a bolt cutter to get through the wires in the tyre bead. Sure, it will stink and smoke, but the danger to the tree will be quite small and any damage localised. Just take a tin of tree wound wax with you to close any wounds the tree might suffer to prevent the ingress of fungi, bugs and bacteria.

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RE: Stupid Landscaper Tricks.

Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:57 pm

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 9):
I would have expected you to suggest shooting it off.

Well, he did say he wanted to save the trees.

Quoting Pope (Reply 11):
Have you tried a wire saw?

I have used them and I think that would work OK until you hit any of the steel belts and then it would stop, especially when it hits the bead. Have you ever burned a tire and seen all the wire inside them? Those bead wires are pretty tough.

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