wrighbrothers
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End Of Operation Banner

Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:00 am

Well, 38 years after it started, the British military's longest lasting operation has come to an end (well, it's not officially over, but it will be in just over an hours time at time of posting). The troops who arrived in Northern Ireland in 1969 believed they'd only be there for a few weeks and home by Christmas, but it wasn't to be, it claimed the lives of 763 military personnel and over 300,000 personnel took part in the 38yrs. At it's peak, there were about 27,000 troops in Northern Ireland (more than in Iraq and Afghanistan combined), however, with the end of Operation Banner, there will be only 5,000 troops left operating in a .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6923342.stm

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RE: End Of Operation Banner

Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:11 am

Here's hoping that peace will prevail... after all these years, you'd think everyone was be tired of the civil war.

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Thread starter):
As my Sergeant said to me a few days ago before we left back for home, 'home for tea and medals lads'

Pardon? Your profile says you're 13-15 and you're in the military?  eyebrow 
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RE: End Of Operation Banner

Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:16 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 1):
Here's hoping that peace will prevail... after all these years, you'd think everyone was be tired of the civil war.

I hope the same, but there was a fire fight between police and loyalists in county Antrim a couple of weeks ago. Goes to show that there is still some tension.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 1):
Quoting Wrighbrothers (Thread starter):
As my Sergeant said to me a few days ago before we left back for home, 'home for tea and medals lads'

Pardon? Your profile says you're 13-15 and you're in the military?

He's in the Air Training Core (ATC), kind of like a military version of boy scouts.

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RE: End Of Operation Banner

Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:16 am

WOW They are taking them younger than our President Bush would have them these days over there! Medals indeed for you! (Sarcasim)
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RE: End Of Operation Banner

Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:49 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 1):
Pardon? Your profile says you're 13-15 and you're in the military?



Quoting N710PS (Reply 3):
WOW They are taking them younger than our President Bush would have them these days over there! Medals indeed for you! (Sarcasim)

My bad, to clear up any confusion, it's just a saying, I'm not actualy in the army, I'm in the Air Training Corps (although I do do army stuff such as living in the field etc), which, isn't so much a military version of the scouts ,It's basically a youth RAF, but yes, I am in the military as such..'The left back for home was a camp' was coming back from a weekend away training.

Bad wording on my part
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RE: End Of Operation Banner

Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:04 am

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 2):
He's in the Air Training Core (ATC), kind of like a military version of boy scouts.



Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 4):
I'm in the Air Training Corps

Merci beaucoup, that clears that up.
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RE: End Of Operation Banner

Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:29 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 5):
Merci beaucoup, that clears that up.

No problem  Smile Sorry for the confusion hehe

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RE: End Of Operation Banner

Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:50 am

Cool Stuff Alistair... never realised that.

My uncle Alan served in Northern Ireland a loooooong time ago... I'm sure if he were still here he'd be happy to hear that.  Smile

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RE: End Of Operation Banner

Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:59 am

The Army luckily, never saw a military solution of the 'Troubles'.
Sent to prevent the province descending into anarchy, it was the Nationalist community they first protected.
However, one crucial mistake the government made, was not bringing in direct rule from London, when the troops were deployed or soon after.
If the N.I. government had, largely through their mis-deeds, like outright discrimination, gerrymandering, having a very partial police, especially the reserves, so that troops, unprecedented in modern British history, had to be sent- then they forfeited the right to govern.

It did happen finally, in 1972, a blood soaked year, the Provisional IRA, a new breed of militant, Marxist influenced nationalists, were ramping things up, the political mistake of internment, the on the ground catastrophe of Bloody Sunday, had fuelled this, Army casualty rates then, were higher than Iraq and Afghanistan now, combined.

The Direct Rule imposition also had for the time, meant the highest deployment of troops at one time, 27,000, as part of the operation to clear away the barricades where the IRA, in particular, ran ghettos.
Using armoured engineering vehicles to do so.
The real fall in troop numbers, came later in the 70's, as much reformed, refreshed RUC began again to do many of the troops taskings, allowing numbers to fall to a 11-12,000 average.

Even in the changed circumstances of later in the 1970's, the view of the role of the Army was unchanged, it was 'Military Aid To The Civil Power', that is, to help to hold the line against an increasingly sophisticated IRA, in the hope that one day, there would be a political solution.
It would take 25 years for this to start in earnest.

The IRA's all out early campaign failed to force the UK government to throw in the towel, they could never sustain this, so the 'long war' policy, but how long is long?
Gerry Adams clearly was convinced, by the end of the 1980's, that this was not working either, since they were nowhere nearer to achieving their goal than before, in fact given the largely sectarian nature of their 'war' by then, they were going backwards.

Adams and others managed to sell the idea, to the rest of the IRA leadership, of his 1992 communication to the UK government, 'the war is over, but we need your help to bring it about', without him ending up tortured, bound, shot and left in a ditch.

The rest is history.

It is worth noting, that many of those over 700 military deaths, were of part time soldiers, murdered off duty, at work, or at home.
That despite this, including similar to the RUC, both security organisations still had no trouble recruiting, (though extreme IRA retaliation/intimidation, made the number of Catholics in uniform fall sharply).
If anything, this alone was a sign that the IRA were not going to succeed.

In the end, they came to the same conclusion the Army had always had, that there was no military solution.

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