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Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:56 am

How Many of you Anetter have visited INDIA.If so which States/Cities.
Any observations/opinions,both Good & Bad are welcome.
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Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:22 am

I've never been to India, I'd love to go to India one day. The women are beautiful, the culture is very interesting, the food is amazing, lots of vegetarian options (I'm a pescatarian [http://vegetarian.about.com/od/glossary/g/Pescatarian.htm]). My best friend and his family are from India. I'm not sure the city name, I know it's in the south, and not very large. I've got to see what it's called.

Anyway hope I get there one day Big grin.

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Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:13 pm

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 1):
Anyway hope I get there one day

The Best part of this country is that every part is different in Language,culture,religon & food from the other.Its like travelling around the world only to realise its one Nation.
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Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:20 am

I lived in New Delhi from 2004-2006, visited again at Christmas 2006, and am living here again, from May-August. While living here for 2 years, I visited Goa, Kerala, Agra, Mussoorrie, Varanasi, Rishikesh, and spent 2 weeks travelling around Rajasthan. My mum also visited Bangalore, Calcutta, Mumbai, and many other smaller towns throughout the country. When we were back last Christmas, we were back in Delhi and also in Hyderabad. This time we've only been in Delhi.

I guess, as you can tell, we both absolutely love it here. Like Mel said, each region is so different, in terms of cuisine, culture, religion, even architecture. Amazing. Of course there are many problems, such as poverty etc. but you get used to them. We're here for another 16 days before returning to Australia, but hopefully it won't be our last time here.

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Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:59 am

I've been to India 3 times, as I'm Indian, and still have many relatives over there.

First time was in 1990....won't comment on that trip Mel  Smile

Went back in 1996 - went to Bangalore, Bombay, and Pune.

Most recent trip was in 2000 - just my older brother and I, which was cool. Hit Bombay, Bangalore, and Pune again, but this time, we also swung by Delhi briefly, and also went to Agra.

Funny thing - my grandmother, who lived in India from 1918 through 1982, has never seen the Taj Mahal. I've only been there for a sum total of 10 weeks, and I've seen it.

My overall impression of India is mixed. Even though I have plenty of family there, I'm still somewhat of a tourist too. I do love seeing the historical sites (Taj Mahal, the forts, Belur, Hallebid, Ellora Caves, etc. (pardon my spelling...)). And I've generally found the people very courteous and helpful, as I would have expected. At the same time, I don't think I could see myself living there. It would take me a long, long time to adjust to the differences in culture.

It's quite interesting seeing the Western influence on culture, and especially on some of my relatives in my generation. Some of them are quite "traditional", while others are much more "Westernized". I also really can't stand arranged marriages, and it bugs me somehow that some of my cousins continue to have them. But to each his/her own, I guess.

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Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:33 pm

Quoting FlyingKangaroo (Reply 3):
each region is so different, in terms of cuisine, culture, religion, even architecture. Amazing. Of course there are many problems, such as poverty etc.

The Food is the best.Yes poverty does exist too at places.

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 4):
First time was in 1990....won't comment on that trip

Any reason  Smile

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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 5):
Any reason

You know the reason. There's only one thing that stands out from that trip.
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Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:06 pm

Hello Mel,

I spent a month in India a few years ago.

It was an amazing experience.

I flew into Mumbai (Bombay, that time) and bought an Ind Rail pass which allowed me to travel around on the trains.

The kindness people showed on my journey will always stay with me. One day I hope to return.

All the best,

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Sat Aug 04, 2007 4:41 pm

I went to India last July, and I have decided I could definitely live there. The people are very kind, the culture is amazing, and the food is incredible.

I stayed overnight in Delhi then went to Andhra Pradesh, visiting numerous villages as well as the cities of Khammam, Vijayawada, and Hyderabad.

Allthough the sights, smells, and sounds are entirely different from the USA, I felt right at home. I learned to overlook the refuse-lined streets and watch the people and their daily lives. It was a great oppurtunity to see how varied the cultures of this globe are. I had been to Haiti, Mexico, , the Dominican Republic, and Honduras before going to India, so I knew what to expect in a third-world country. However, the cities are downright amazing...the tech centers and offices are springing up practically overnight. And I loved the countryside. Everyone would stare at my white skin, then smile and wave. And the food! Chipati, dal, mutton curry, chicken curry, fish curry, egg curry, peanut chutney....it's all so good! By the way, water buffalo milk is the greatest thing! I miss that so much. I am dying to go back, and it looks like I might be able to next summer! I inserted a few pictures from my trip to show a few cultural highlights: (for some reason they turned out small)


Vijayawada



School kids



Khammam Fort, completed in A.D. 1006



Monkeys!



14-year-old bride



Village



Goatherders



Boudagu tribeswoman



Scorpions (standard-sized cell phone for comparison)



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Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:02 am

I was in Kolkata back in late 2005. I had a great time and enjoyed my stay. Most people spoke English, were very friendly. Most went out of their way to show me their shops, offer me tea and snacks, along with helpful hints of things to see. TI'll go back next year and get to a few other sites, probably Darjeeling and see the tea fields.

I was there in late November so temperature wise it was great. If I'd been there about a month or so earlier I'm sure I'd have suffered from the heat and humidity.

The only real issues I came upon was the poverty, yes ifs there big time. I know all cities in the world have it, just seemed worse there. The other issue was the rad system. I don't know how people there deal with it. That is an area that has to be fixed for India to continue to grow.
 
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Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:15 am

I spent 2 months in Pune with work back in 2006, while there I got the chance to visit Goa for a few days, as well as flying visits (literally) to Mumbai and Hyderabad.
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Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:33 am

I was in Bangalore for four days in this past June, business trip.


The notes below are remembered with the fog of 12.5 hours of jet lag.
I enjoyed the food, top notch and spicy, especially the chicken biryani I ate with my hand off of a leaf! People were great, very cordial. Very cordial considering how congested the roads were. You had on the roads: scooters, motorcycles, cows, oxen, oxen pulling carts, buses, cars, heavy duty trucks, people, people on bicycles and it's not the horn use that was excessive but man, it got old quick. Factor in a complete lack of emissions equipment on vehicles and you had a cloud of smoke above every road I traveled (crawled on) on. Especially the 33 mile drive to Palace Mysore (beautiful un-restored site) that took 3 hours each way. I was very thankful we had a driver even though we got into two low speed accidents.

If I go back we agreed to meet in Bombay or Goa.
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Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:11 am

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 6):
There's only one thing that stands out from that trip.

Any Clue.Can't recollect.  Smile

Quoting Overlander (Reply 7):
bought an Ind Rail pass which allowed me to travel around on the trains



Quoting Skywatch (Reply 8):
bought an Ind Rail pass which allowed me to travel around on the trains

On the Local trains.It must have been crowded.

Quoting CV640 (Reply 9):
The other issue was the rad system

Whats that.

Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 11):
You had on the roads: scooters, motorcycles, cows, oxen, oxen pulling carts, buses, cars, heavy duty trucks, people, people on bicycles and it's not the horn use that was excessive but man, it got old quick.

The Best part is no one moves the Bulls & Cows & every vehicle tends to avoid them.  Smile
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Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:33 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 12):
Any Clue.Can't recollect.

It was about surviving the IC crash he's talking about.

Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 11):
Especially the 33 mile drive to Palace Mysore (beautiful un-restored site) that took 3 hours each way

Actually Mysore is 135km from BLR. ie, 135/1.6 = 84 miles.

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Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:41 am

Sorry, typo, the road system. They need to invest some more in a highway system. The local streets also need to be cleaned up.
 
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Quoting TRVYYZ (Reply 13):
It was about surviving the IC crash he's talking about.

Ok.Ok.Ok......I forgot about that.
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Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:00 am

Lived there for 10 years, in Northeast India, overall it was okay. I came here to the US, and I dont think I will ever go back, I just like it here much more. I like the way of life here much better.
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Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:43 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 12):
Quoting Skywatch (Reply 8):
bought an Ind Rail pass which allowed me to travel around on the trains

On the Local trains.It must have been crowded.

That's odd. The quote that you took from my post was actually from Reply 7 by Overlander.

I used drivers for hire, but never the rail system.
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Countless layovers in DEL (and soon BOM). Been to Agra (and all points in between on the road).

I have found India to be a beautiful place in terms of its people, the culture and its own beauty. No matter the walk of life you come from, people in India are very humble and polite.

I just wish I was a tad more senior to hold India flights. At least with the 787 coming, that will be a reality.
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Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 18):
Countless layovers in DEL (and soon BOM).

Remember the Invitation.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 18):
I just wish I was a tad more senior to hold India flights. At least with the 787 coming, that will be a reality

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Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:07 am

I spent a month there on business back in 2004 and had a good time in Bangalore, Delhi, and Agra. When people ask if I want to go back I answer it this way. I would love to and see so much more of the country but if I don't get back it isn't going to kill me. You take the good and the bad and they balance each other out. Though I will say going there isn't for the folks accustomed to clean living or getting places on time.

One thing I never want to hear folks in the US complain about again is being poor. We have our problems for sure but the poor in India don't have TVs, microwaves, and cars. I enjoyed getting out and seeing the sites on my off days and will say that the Taj Mahal is very impressive. When you first round the outer buildings and can see it framed through the red sandstone gatehouse it takes your breath away. Visiting so many other sites I can't even remember all the names right now was impressive as well when you think of how long they have been there.
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Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 20):
Though I will say going there isn't for the folks accustomed to clean living or getting places on time.

Impressive.If you visit Mumbai.You need to plan for am hour in Traffic Jam before getting anyplace in the day.

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Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:00 pm

I've only been the once and that was only to Mumbai. I thought it was great.

Yes there was grinding poverty with people living on the street or under plastic and cardboard shelters, but there was also a lot of friendliness. If there were that much poverty here in NZ, it would not be safe to walk the street as locals would be out to mug you. In India I felt fine, even when the beggers were tapping me to ask for food.

The sights were great. I was very impressed by Ghandi's Mumbai house (museum now) and places such as Chowpati Beach, Gateway to India, street markets. Even the railway stations such as Victoria were impressive.

I would go back in a heartbeat. India is such a vast country though that I would have to set aside a lot of time to give the place any justice. I know people who have travelled there for one to two months and still only seen a handful of states.

By the way, the approach to BOM has to be one of the most stunning, the way you come down over the roofs of the houses which are so close to the end of the runway. I was wondering where the airport was as we barely cleared the houses closest to the threshold by 100 feet. Saw some interesting sights there too, such as a Syrian 747SP taxiing out as we were taxiing in pity I did not have my camera  Sad
 
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Quoting WorkFlyer (Reply 22):
I know people who have travelled there for one to two months and still only seen a handful of states.

Thats true.A vast country with varied locations.
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Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:08 pm

Haven't been there, but I have 3 (unrelated) friends who all went there for a number of weeks and all of them fell ill at some point. In Holland people generally say: If you go to India, you will get the sh!ts at some point.
Another very annoying thing (they said) is the fact you are constantly followed by people trying to sell you stuff. It takes about a week to learn how to deal with those people (and make them actually go away).

Everyone who goes there loves the experience though, because it's so different... Nothing like a beach holiday in Thailand. India is adventure for travellers. Dodgy hotels with cockroaches, dead people floating in the Ganges at Varanasi, the heat, the vast amounts of people, etc, etc...  Smile
 
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Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:30 pm

Food if not used to can be a problem.
Water.....preferred to use packaged water.
Not sure about the cockroaches,they probably went to a lower grade hotel.

Mosquitoes can be a problem.

Quoting IL76 (Reply 24):
Another very annoying thing (they said) is the fact you are constantly followed by people trying to sell you stuff. It takes about a week to learn how to deal with those people (and make them actually go away).

The poor feel the tourists are rich & can buy their stuff at a higher price.

Quoting IL76 (Reply 24):
dead people floating in the Ganges at Varanasi

Whats this.

True a lot of people but this is the worlds largest Democracy.

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Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:04 am

Quoting IL76 (Reply 24):
In Holland people generally say: If you go to India, you will get the sh!ts at some point.

Amazing how the Delhi Belly covers the whole of India with those kind of symptoms.
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Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:28 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 25):
Quoting IL76 (Reply 24):
dead people floating in the Ganges at Varanasi

Whats this.

People who get cremated in Varanasi have their ashes are thrown into the river to have good luck in their next life. But some less fortunate people have to dump their dead relatives into the Ganges without cremation. I've seen a picture taken by a friend of a corpse floating around the Ganges. (give it a Google: "dead people in Ganges") People poop in the river aswell while other people take a bath in the same river a meters further up. Another friend saw a dead baby floating there. That is something "us Westerners" are not used to. Normal in India, but not so for us.  Smile
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Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:58 am

Quoting IL76 (Reply 27):

Agreed on the Dirty water.But floating people is a surprise.
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Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:08 am

Quoting BAPILOT2B (Reply 26):
Quoting IL76 (Reply 24):
In Holland people generally say: If you go to India, you will get the sh!ts at some point.

Amazing how the Delhi Belly covers the whole of India with those kind of symptoms.

It wasn't so much the scoots that I had but when it was time to let loose a deuce you had better find a bathroom quickly. One minute you're fine and within seconds your lower intestines are telling you it's time to clear the air...NOW!
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Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:21 am

Being born and brought up in Singapore, some could possibly state that I am a 'visitor' in India.

My personal experiences have been amazing, although the only locals I interacted with were my relatives. I always look forward to going back to what I call 'home'.

Although having gone their 1-2 times a year every year for the past 15 years, I still havent seen anything apart from North India. People in N. India are amazing and over the years I have seen India grow at an amazing pace.

The best thing I find about India is that the people are great. One article I read in the newspaper will always be in my memory, during the 2005 floods, it stated that the poor who can barely afford basic necessities helped out the people who were driving in Mercedes. I know all about the stuff that news articles provide a one sided view, but I dont think it happens anywhere else.

Another thing I like about India are the railways system. I find it quite amazing that the Railways has little/no form of security and yet trains travel safely across the country.

And you cant forget all the street vendors selling the local delights. Their taste are unmatched even at home. I miss the Pav Bhaji already, and its not even been a week since I came back

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Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:52 am

Quoting IL76 (Reply 27):
Another friend saw a dead baby floating there. That is something "us Westerners" are not used to. Normal in India, but not so for us.

That is NOT normal in "India" or atleast not normal in the state where I come from.
 
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Quoting Ag92 (Reply 30):
during the 2005 floods, it stated that the poor who can barely afford basic necessities helped out the people who were driving in Mercedes

Are you talking about BOM in 2005.Thats true.Amazing spirit.
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Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:41 am

MEL , if someone wanted to go to India for seeing the country side , nature , or historical sights... what would you suggest?. Unfortunately I had a rough experience in Bombay , but I love India ! and its history. I want to go back as a tourist and get out of the city . Where do I go ?
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Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:23 am

I spent 3 days in New Delhi in 1979 on my way home from Africa. Believe me, I'm reluctant to mention this, but the thing that sticks in my memory the clearest was a guy who climbed down off his donkey cart about 100 metres ahead of me on a leafy street just off Connaught Circle, and proceeded to take a dump right there at the side of the road. I was slightly taken aback, even after a year in Africa.

I was too cheap to pay for a cab to take me to the Taj Mahal in Agra. I went to the railway station early in the morning to see about a train but that didn't happen either. I've always regretted not making more of an effort to see it. My advice to travellers is spend the money on a cab to Agra ....oh, and be careful where you step.
 
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Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:34 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 33):
Unfortunately I had a rough experience in Bombay , but I love India ! and its history. I want to go back as a tourist and get out of the city . Where do I go

Mumbai [Bombay] is not a tourist location so no point visiting this city if you want to tour.Its a 24x7 city never the less.
For tourism try Goa,Kerala,Himachal pradesh,J&K,Rajastan.

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Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:43 pm

Also to add Andaman & Nicobar Islands & Lakshadeep Islands are good tourist locations too.
Far away from the main land.
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Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:19 am

Just came back from India yesterday (Saturday, 11 Aug, 2007)..and WOW..it is such an amazing country. I have been to India before (in 2003), so it was not really a shock. Went to Bangalore (spent the majority of my 26 days there..22 days! and also to Delhi for a couple of days).

My views:

BLR is too crowded. The damn call centres and BPOs are taking a toll on the city's infrastructure, the place is literally choking itself to death IMO. I am also appalled at the filth and the dirt, and the open way in which garbage is just thrown around the place.

Good things:

-Food..nothing beats Indian food! And there's plenty in BLR. Also I ate the chaats (bhel puri, vada-pav and pav-bhaji) like crazy..and paid the price. I'm still sick and on antibiotics!

-People: All the people I met were extremely friendly and helpful. And there are people everywhere! I don't think there is a square cm of BLR without people!

-Weather: The weather was excellent throughout my stay in BLR. It rained a couple of times though.

Bad things:

-Religious frenzy: EVERYONE in BLR seems to be a religious fanatic..I don't know if this concept can be extended to the whole country though. There are temples everywhere...even in the middle of a road! This amount of religious frenzy is enough to drive anyone mad!

-Filth and dirt: People in India don't seem to understand the concept of putting garbage in a bag before disposal..instead garbage is just thrown openly in the streets. Also I was appalled at the sight of huge open drains (they're huge!), and the stink is just unbearable. This is such an amazing breeding ground for all kinds of diseases..the people should really do something about it.

-Pollution and traffic - The whole damn city is choking. The traffic is so chaotic..I don't have words to describe it! There are no lanes, nothing. The autos (3-wheeled contraptions) just belch out pollutants...which adds to the misery. The traffic jams are so long, it took us 2 hours to travel 4 km! This is just crazy!

I have taken heaps of pictures of the whole place..will post them later. Right now I need to sleep off the damn antibiotics! Catch y'all later.
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Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:34 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 37):
I don't think there is a square cm of BLR without people!

BOM is more crowded.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 37):
The weather was excellent throughout my stay in BLR

BLR has one of the best climates in the country 24x7.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 37):
The traffic is so chaotic

BOM traffic is much more but more organised.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 37):
Right now I need to sleep off the damn antibiotics

Get well soon.

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Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:42 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 38):
BOM is more crowded.

No, He's not talking about the city but about the streets. The downtown streets of BLR are crazy. BOM is more distributed while BLR crowd is centralized.
 
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RE: India - Visitors View.

Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:15 pm

True in a sense.BOM is crowded everywhere.Add the rains to it & things get out of hand.

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