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TAM Pilot Shot Dead In Rio De Janeiro

Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:31 am

This really sucked....another victim of the fine life in Rio (sorry, cariocas).

TAM´s pilot Ricardo Frota Oliveira, 45, father of two, was shot dead while riding his Suzuki bike in Rio, today at 5:45 am.
He was driving to SDU/SBRJ to catch a flight to São Paulo when a GM Meriva with at least 4 occupants started chasing him.
Shots were fired and at least one hit him in the back causing him to lose control of the bike and hit a pole at high speed. All happened around the Botafogo block, southern part of Rio. Police says it doesn´t look like a theft attempt, although such robbery attempts are quite common in Brazil.

Ricardo worked for RG for more than 20 years and had just started his duties at TAM.

In portuguese:
http://jbonline.terra.com.br/extra/2007/08/03/e030816107.html


RIP.
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RE: TAM Pilot Shot Dead In Rio De Janeiro

Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:53 am

Man!!! Horrible! What a country huh? We need some real people to get this country in place.

Sad news.
 
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RE: TAM Pilot Shot Dead In Rio De Janeiro

Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:09 am

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 1):
What a country huh? We need some real people to get this country in place.

You can forget that happening anytime soon.
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RE: TAM Pilot Shot Dead In Rio De Janeiro

Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:38 am

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 1):
What a country huh?

Tony, I can understand you might be upset at many things happening these days in Brazil, but please let me tell you and all my Brazilian friends that you have a wonderful and remarkable country, that in spite of some recent set backs, it has been able to produce extraordinary achievements throughout many decades already.

Be proud of your nation. Brazil, as I see it from here, is one of the leading societies on earth; a country that has contributed to the world´s development in so many ways, and that stands very far beyond what is ordinary.

With due respect and with my best regards
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RE: TAM Pilot Shot Dead In Rio De Janeiro

Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:20 am

I love my country, but I'm not really proud of it anymore. I currently live in the US, but I go back very often. I have been there just this year 9x for fun/leisure. The problem is I don't see things getting better.

Look at things that have happened recently that I know of. Violence is a major problem and those damn politians should quadruple their efforts.

My sister got mugged two weeks ago in Belo Horizonte, at 3pm, one block from her apartment. She went to get some ice cream 3 blocks away (this is a very nice area of Belo).

My friend was hijacked about 1 month ago, they held him with a gun and made him deliver drugs through Belo Horizonte favelas.

A bus from Belo to Sete Lagoas on BR-040 (one hour away from Belo) was stopped, two kids, 16 and 18 years of age, robbed the entire bus. Most people who ride theses buses don't make 500 reais a month.

About one year ago, my friend driving at 9pm, again from Belo to Sete Lagoas was followed by two cars and forced him out of the road as he didn't stop.

Things are out of hand in Brazil. It's great country with a lot to offer. I try to do my part, I do lots of charities around Xmas time.

Quoting XA744 (Reply 4):
Tony, I can understand you might be upset at many things happening these days in Brazil, but please let me tell you and all my Brazilian friends that you have a wonderful and remarkable country, that in spite of some recent set backs, it has been able to produce extraordinary achievements throughout many decades already.

That is true! And thanks for the support.
 
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RE: TAM Pilot Shot Dead In Rio De Janeiro

Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:35 am





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RE: TAM Pilot Shot Dead In Rio De Janeiro

Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:07 am

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 12):
sadly, the outlying area of Washington DC, just outside the capitol and the White house look worse than the slums of Mumbai or the favelas of Rio.

I've never been to Mumbai (though, I've heard of the largesse of the slums there), but D.C. is worse? I've made a few wrong turns in and around D.C., and there's places I don't care to see again, but I didn't think (or, at least, know) that it's that bad.

As for the topic, sorry to hear about it. I'm a firm believer in law and order and punishing those who commit such acts of violence. I hope they're brought down hard.
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RE: TAM Pilot Shot Dead In Rio De Janeiro

Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:02 pm

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 3):
Again proves that Brazil sadly still is a 3 World Country...

Crap happens leo, get over it. Please stop with the comments.

Sad to see a pilot die. I hope all goes well.

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RE: TAM Pilot Shot Dead In Rio De Janeiro

Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:27 pm

The crime situation in Brazil reminds me a lot of what is happening in South Africa. The international news glosses/ignores the problem over because the lower classes are uneducated and have been traditionally neglected by the government, and we're supposed to feel bad for them. However, these thugs cause the country to lose massive amounts of investment and brainpower. A good amount of educated Brazilians continue to flee the country en masse because they do not feel safe in their cities, while multi-national companies are reluctant to invest in a nation where their foreign nationals will not go.
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RE: TAM Pilot Shot Dead In Rio De Janeiro

Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:39 pm

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 8):
The international news glosses/ignores the problem over because the lower classes are uneducated and have been traditionally neglected by the government, and we're supposed to feel bad for them.

Feel bad for murdering drug traffickers? You are joking! But of course, anything to deride "the left".  sarcastic 
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RE: TAM Pilot Shot Dead In Rio De Janeiro

Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:17 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 9):
Feel bad for murdering drug traffickers? You are joking! But of course, anything to deride "the left".

Later on in his post, he mentions that it's nearly impossible to feel bad for them because they're a bunch of thugs.  sarcastic 
 
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RE: TAM Pilot Shot Dead In Rio De Janeiro

Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:53 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 9):
Feel bad for murdering drug traffickers? You are joking! But of course, anything to deride "the left".

Wow, you're not twisting and inserting words to fit your agenda or anything are you? First off, all that was said "lower classes" and "uneducated." But if you are simply ignorant and wish to imply that all lower class and uneducated people are murders and drug traffickers, have at it. Secondly, he finishes with the tone that we should not feel bad for them anyway.
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RE: TAM Pilot Shot Dead In Rio De Janeiro

Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:26 am

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 11):
Wow, you're not twisting and inserting words to fit your agenda or anything are you?

Hmmm...

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 8):
The international news glosses/ignores the problem over because the lower classes are uneducated and have been traditionally neglected by the government, and we're supposed to feel bad for them.

What words did I twist, again?

The post implied that it's somehow nonsense to feel sorry for poor people as we're allegedly supposed to by "international news", read: "The leftist media wants to tell you who to donate your money to!" The other implication was that all the crime that troubles Brazil comes from the "lower classes". In reality, there's just as much crime and corruption in Brazil's not-so-low classes - it's just less gory so it makes the news even more seldom.
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RE: TAM Pilot Shot Dead In Rio De Janeiro

Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:37 am

It's not poverty that causes crime. That's misconception number #1 people have.

Inequality is.

When you live a certain way and struggle, and nearby you see people coming back via helicopter from a shopping trip to buy Gucci and Piaget products, that's bound to cause resentment. Or at the very least, depression (leading to drug use), or the need to catch up to those wealthier people somehow and get out of where you are (stealing, or dealing drugs).

It's no surprise that Brazil and Mexico have high levels of crime in Latin America, they are two of the most unequal societies. Bolivia is a far poorer country yet there is not much violent crime there. Then again society in Bolivia is a lot poorer across the board, without as much stratification. Uruguay is a on the other end, there is little extreme poverty, and fewer trully wealthy classes.

The USA is the most unequal developed country, and it also the most unsafe.

South Africa is one country in Africa that has achieved a level of development, but like much of Latin America, that development creates inequality. It's no surprise that therefore South Africa is the least safe country in Africa (I know that there are countries in Africa with Civil War and genocide, but those are caused by different reasons like religion and tribal enemity).

Same in Russia.

By all these examples it's clear the pattern is inequality = higher crime.
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RE: TAM Pilot Shot Dead In Rio De Janeiro

Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:57 am

Quoting Derico (Reply 13):
The USA is the most unequal developed country, and it also the most unsafe.

Now where did you get that one from?!?  Wow!
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RE: TAM Pilot Shot Dead In Rio De Janeiro

Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:00 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 14):
Now where did you get that one from?!?

In murders and violent crime, doens't the US have higher rates than Europe, Canada and Japan?
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RE: TAM Pilot Shot Dead In Rio De Janeiro

Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 12):
What words did I twist, again?

You turned this:

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 8):
the lower classes are uneducated

Into this:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 9):
murdering drug traffickers?

And then flip flopped back to:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 12):
poor people
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RE: TAM Pilot Shot Dead In Rio De Janeiro

Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:36 am

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 16):
You turned this:

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 8):
the lower classes are uneducated

Into this:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 9):
murdering drug traffickers?

You got it backwards. The point was that hardly anyone would expect someone to feel sorry for a murdering drug trafficker. That reference came from the association with violent crime in Rio, which all too often has everything to do with drugs.

In reply 8, the implication was that nobody should be expected to feel sorry for the underprivileged because of violent criminals, which is completely unfair towards any non-criminal poor human being. I tried to stress the difference between poor people and criminals, not lump them together!

Quoting Derico (Reply 15):
In murders and violent crime, doens't the US have higher rates than Europe, Canada and Japan?

So that would make the US the most dangerous country on the planet? Come on!
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RE: TAM Pilot Shot Dead In Rio De Janeiro

Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:07 am

Quoting Derico (Reply 13):
The USA is the most unequal developed country, and it also the most unsafe.

is not the same as.....

Quoting Aloges (Reply 17):
So that would make the US the most dangerous country on the planet? Come on!

He said the USA is the most unequal developed country, and also the most unsafe, due the it having a higher crime rate. That does not make it, and Derico did not imply that it is the most dangerous country on the planet.
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RE: TAM Pilot Shot Dead In Rio De Janeiro

Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:46 pm

That's a really sad story... what a horrible thing to happen... I feel for his family... what a way to lose your dad or husband... poor sod  Sad

My sympathies to his family  pray 

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