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Audi Navigation System...useless...

Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:20 pm

Any of you Audi drivers have actually made it in assigning a route to a particular destination, and then actually been able to find it without an enormous amount of frustration?
Or just try to assign it to the nearest ATM?

The MCDU in the Airbus has more common sense then that system.

I totally love the cars and the multi media interface, but the user friendliness of that navigation system is nonexistent
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:26 pm

Quoting SWISSER (Thread starter):
Any of you Audi drivers have actually made it in assigning a route to a particular destination, and then actually been able to find it without an enormous amount of frustration?

I think the navigation system in my father's audi is sometimes very useful, sometimes it's confusing.. It's like it doesnt always know the shortest/fastest way and sends me on a detour.. still better than using a normal map :P
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:55 pm

I've always used the Audi navigation system Plus (and now the Volkswagen one) successfully, without frustration. Could it be a problem with the implementation of a particular country's maps, and not a problem with the navigation system itself?

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 1):
It's like it doesnt always know the shortest/fastest way and sends me on a detour..

I've noticed that as well. And it must have something to do with how priorities of the various roads are defined in the maps. Sometimes it picks a longer route, only to follow what the map people recommend. But besides that, no problem.
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:15 pm

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 2):
I've noticed that as well. And it must have something to do with how priorities of the various roads are defined in the maps. Sometimes it picks a longer route, only to follow what the map people recommend. But besides that, no problem.

Yeah.. whenever it does that, and im aware of it or suspect it, I ignore the GPS and follow my own route, then the GPS will come up with a new route for me, which usually is better...
 
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Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:46 pm

Never had any problems with it.

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Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:00 pm

I don't use the Audi Navigation System Plus very often because I know everything here in the area, but when I use it then it works without any problems. No matter if I enter a large building (e.g. AWD Arena in Hanover) or a street in some hicksville in the middle of nowhere as destination, so far it brought me everywhere.

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Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:18 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 5):

That's great... I just found out yesterday that the navigation system in my father's car doesn't even know the name of the town I live in which is the home of more than 20.000 people and a suburb to Copenhagen, so I have to enter the municipal instead before it is able to find the street I live on... it's a little annoying actually..
 
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Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:40 pm

The navigation systems are as good as the data in the map database. I have a Mercedes MCS Navigation system and even though there are some new roads that are on my newest DVD the turns aren't always right. There's a road that goes over another road and the system thinks I can turn left off of the bridge onto the road below.

From what I understand NAVTEQ and other companies like this have people actually drive the routes to verify, etc. Maybe my part of the country hasn't been driven and validated for a while (or at least the new roads).

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Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:43 pm

Quoting UPSMD11 (Reply 7):
The navigation systems are as good as the data in the map database. I have a Mercedes MCS Navigation system and even though there are some new roads that are on my newest DVD the turns aren't always right. There's a road that goes over another road and the system thinks I can turn left off of the bridge onto the road below.

I remember a few years ago in France, my father and I brought a Navman GPS with us for driving down there, and some of the new roads down there were not on the GPS, so it looked like we were flying across forests and other streets that crossed the one we were really driving on... quite amusing for a short amount of time...
 
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Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:03 am

I have no problem with mine..... so far

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 2):
I've noticed that as well. And it must have something to do with how priorities of the various roads are defined in the maps. Sometimes it picks a longer route, only to follow what the map people recommend. But besides that, no problem.

That is what Audi explained to me here in YHM so if I know the way I ignore it and if I do not know the way...... well I would not know which way is the shortest/fastest Big grin anyhow, got a portable one for my wife's Jeep and it works the same.

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Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:40 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 6):
I just found out yesterday that the navigation system in my father's car doesn't even know the name of the town I live in which is the home of more than 20.000 people and a suburb to Copenhagen, so I have to enter the municipal instead before it is able to find the street I live on...

Not too long ago we had the same problem in the car of my best friend's father (Merc E-320), we were searching for an independent city for ages but eventually we found out that it was listed unter the district it is in and not under the city-name itself.  banghead 

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Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:05 am

I havent seen one good factory navigation unit in the 6 years ive been installing car electronics.

There is virtually an endless list of things that are wrong with OEM systems excluding the overpriced maps.
 
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Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:53 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 11):
I havent seen one good factory navigation unit in the 6 years ive been installing car electronics.

Neither have I, until I started using Nissan's newest system, which is on the Infiniti G and, I believe, the Nissan Altima. Once you use that system, every other OEM nav will seem useless. It has birdeye view maps, integrated traffic reports, lane guidance (it shows you what lane you have to be in to make the next turn, take the next exit, etc.), nearly flawless voice command system, phone number inputs (input any business phone number, it will take to there)...the list goes on. It is the only OEM nav system (in the US market) that uses a harddrive rather than a DVD or CD-ROM, so it can store a significant amount of data.

The worst factor NAV has to be Mercedes' current DVD nav (which is being phased out). It's a piece of junk, and so frustrating to use that I would always just give up. The previous CD-based system (pre-2004) was light years ahead of it. Though Mercedes, starting with the 2008 C-Class, is phasing in a new NAV system that I've heard is excellent. Still no touch screen, though.

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Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:54 am

My family bought an '06 Passat with the VW nav system, which I'm sure is similar to the Audi system. Haven't really had any problems when I've used it, the system has worked flawlessly. I'm not such a fan of having all of the buttons around the screen, and the user interface could be a bit more friendly but other than that its pretty solid. Love the throaty sound of the 3.6L engine-that car has a little bit of get up and go (not to mention the awesome black plume of smoke that is left behind the car when you punch it). My '04 Passat just doesn't even really compare.
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Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:14 pm

Trust me, currently only honda and acura and lexus make the best GPS. All germans car have so so GPS. Some of them not good at all.
 
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Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:26 pm

I have the Honda NAVI in my Accord. It's circa 2003 so no XM LiveTraffic or Birdseye view. It is however significantly more user friendly than the GM, Chrysler, or Toyota nav systems. I won't even mention the BMW iDrive system which is utterly useless.

I had a customer once when I worked at Honda. He was buying a car for his daughter but said the DVD Nav in his A6 was broken down into regions.. North Jersey was on 1 DVD and South Jersey on another. It seemed strange to me since the Honda system is all 1 CD for the 48 continuous states.
 
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Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:07 pm

Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 15):
I had a customer once when I worked at Honda. He was buying a car for his daughter but said the DVD Nav in his A6 was broken down into regions.. North Jersey was on 1 DVD and South Jersey on another. It seemed strange to me since the Honda system is all 1 CD for the 48 continuous states.

My older Mercedes had that. Navigation systems used to be CD-based, which meant that the entire US could not fit on one disc. Then, in the early 00s, navigations started to switch to being DVD-based, which could fit all of the US and Canada on one disc. Germans were late adopters to this technology, with Volkswagen/Audi not adapting it until 2005. Now, though, navigations will likely start to slowly move to a hard-drive based network, starting with Nissan/Infiniti who began the switch this year.
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Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:06 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
Neither have I, until I started using Nissan's newest system, which is on the Infiniti G and, I believe, the Nissan Altima. Once you use that system, every other OEM nav will seem useless. It has birdeye view maps, integrated traffic reports, lane guidance (it shows you what lane you have to be in to make the next turn, take the next exit, etc.), nearly flawless voice command system, phone number inputs (input any business phone number, it will take to there)...the list goes on. It is the only OEM nav system (in the US market) that uses a harddrive rather than a DVD or CD-ROM, so it can store a significant amount of data.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
starting with Nissan/Infiniti who began the switch this year.

Wrong, its not the only nor first or the biggest hard drive. Dodge/Chrysler have the 20GB (vs 9.3 in Nissan) mygig hard drive system.

Birdseye view, phone number search and lane guidance is nothing new. Something that a AVIC-D2 could do a couple years back. OEM is always half a decade behind...and always 3-4x more expensive than it really is worth.

Quoting Palladium (Reply 14):
Trust me, currently only honda and acura and lexus make the best GPS

You dont know squat what youre talking about therefore I wont trust you. Honda/Acura systems are Alpine units, Honda does not make Nav units.

The Lexus/Toyota navigation unit is made by Eclipse and Denso (such as in the LandCruiser).

Know what youre talking about before you open up and start telling people to trust you. Denso navigation units are pieces of crap for the record, even MOPAR REC USA/REJ Europe systems that arent touch screen at least have better specs.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
is phasing in a new NAV system that I've heard is excellent.

Complete with hard drive.

I still cant think of one reason one should have an OEM system in their car over aftermarket especially with those kind of prices.
 
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Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:10 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 10):
Not too long ago we had the same problem in the car of my best friend's father (Merc E-320), we were searching for an independent city for ages but eventually we found out that it was listed unter the district it is in and not under the city-name itself.

Well my example was from my father's Audi... funny how noone's able to produce some better GPS devices for their cars..
 
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Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:01 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 17):

I still cant think of one reason one should have an OEM system in their car over aftermarket especially with those kind of prices.

Integration and apperence. Aftermarket navs - whether dash mount or integrated - look cheap.
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Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:15 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 18):
GPS devices for their cars..

Acura's navigation system is awesome.

I am an Audi owner, so I am not parcel towards Acura.
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Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:15 am

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 20):
Acura's navigation system is awesome.

I am an Audi owner, so I am not parcel towards Acura.

Interesting.. Would love to try it!
 
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Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:23 am

Quoting UPSMD11 (Reply 7):
There's a road that goes over another road and the system thinks I can turn left off of the bridge onto the road below.


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Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:48 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Integration and apperence. Aftermarket navs - whether dash mount or integrated - look cheap.

Wrong. You can make any aftermarket navigation look as good or even better as OEM if you dont install it as a hackjob. My AVIC D3 not only fits just as snuggly as a Mopar system, it can change display colors to blend in with sorroundings if I wish it to not counting getting rid of all the extra buttons that clutter the dash in a non-touchscreen nav unit.
 
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Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:55 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):

Integration and apperence. Aftermarket navs - whether dash mount or integrated - look cheap.



Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 23):
Wrong. You can make any aftermarket navigation look as good or even better as OEM if you dont install it as a hackjob.

While I agree you can make an aftermarket nav look "good" and that there are a number of very good systems out there, I have yet to see one that looks "better" than an OEM setup. If the screen slides out of a cubby hole, it inevitably blocks something like an air vent or buttons. If it folds into the top of the dash, the screen is usually too far out of the way to touch while driving. Nor will it it allow me to press a button on my steering wheel and change CDs in my CD Changer or adjust the climate control.

Not to mention what happens when it breaks. Try pulling into a _____ (fill in the auto manufacturer) dealer when the system goes t/u and try to get the to fix it. Or better yet, try to get them to plug it back in when they disconnect it to make a repair.
 
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Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:20 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 23):

Wrong. You can make any aftermarket navigation look as good or even better as OEM if you dont install it as a hackjob. My AVIC D3 not only fits just as snuggly as a Mopar system, it can change display colors to blend in with sorroundings if I wish it to not counting getting rid of all the extra buttons that clutter the dash in a non-touchscreen nav unit.

I can't be "wrong". This is an opinion, not a fact. I've yet to see an aftermarket system that doesn't look cheap installed in a car. My friend recently installed an aftermarket nav on their '03 3-Series, and even though it was professionally installed and integrated into the dash, the thing looks hideous and messed up an otherwise decent looking centre console.
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Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:32 pm

Tried to help my mom test out her nav system in her A6, which she never uses, but it wanted to take us a really slow way home. It was nice that had a map with places to eat and atms, which is a bit more advanced than our other cars.
 
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Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:05 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 17):
You dont know squat what youre talking about therefore I wont trust you. Honda/Acura systems are Alpine units, Honda does not make Nav units.

The Lexus/Toyota navigation unit is made by Eclipse and Denso (such as in the LandCruiser).

Know what youre talking about before you open up and start telling people to trust you. Denso navigation units are pieces of crap for the record, even MOPAR REC USA/REJ Europe systems that arent touch screen at least have better specs.

Dude no need to take it personally... but if you think it is a crap unit.... well maybe that is just you. But I believe people in here will agree that Honda / toyota / lexus / acura currently have one of the best gps system. BMW is just soo complicated to use. Mercedes is so so. So again basically most japanese cars have better gps system
 
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Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:59 pm

Quoting Palladium (Reply 27):
But I believe people in here will agree that Honda / toyota / lexus / acura currently have one of the best gps system.

Their GPS system is good because they chose a good mobile electronics supplier: mainly Alpine. It is crap compared to aftermarket units, because it offers the same interface with much less capability at a much greater price.

Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 24):
While I agree you can make an aftermarket nav look "good" and that there are a number of very good systems out there, I have yet to see one that looks "better" than an OEM setup. If the screen slides out of a cubby hole, it inevitably blocks something like an air vent or buttons. If it folds into the top of the dash, the screen is usually too far out of the way to touch while driving. Nor will it it allow me to press a button on my steering wheel and change CDs in my CD Changer or adjust the climate control.

How is a screen too far out to touch if most OEM systems have buttons on either side of the nav or below the unit meaning that you have to reach farther than if you did have a touchscreen Blocking vents? Im not talking about craptastic flip out single din and 1.5din nav units. Practically every car that came with navigation has a double din slot and to take it a step further you can refit your car from a single flip out 1DIN slot (standard radio slot) to a 2DIN slot with a couple of dash pieces to solve your "blocking the vents" problem with installing a stationary 2DIN unit. If you have a popout nav screen that comes up from the dash then all you do is take it out and re-wire..not a big deal and ive done it numerous of times.

Secondly, where did you hear that you cant use your steering wheel controls?  rotfl  It took 2 pieces (SWI-CAN and SWI-PS) and 30 seconds of programing to program steering wheel controls in my Jeep. You can actually reprogram your steering wheel buttons to control any function you want from CD Changer controls to practically setting waypoints on your map. As for climate controls, this is why its a stupid idea to buy an OEM system such as in an Accord with a Nav that controls HVAC. I found it to be inherently harder to press buttons rather than flip a switch and secondly because if the Nav goes tits up youre in for a treat.

Ill argue that the system I have in my car looks better than OEM and does not have any of the clutter that the Mopar navigation has, not counting the fact that it *gasp* actually fits better:

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Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:35 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 28):
Ill argue that the system I have in my car looks better than OEM

While it might be true that your aftermarket system looks better than OEM on *your* car, I really can't imagine an aftermarket navigation system looking better than the original on the last 2 cars I owned:


Audi A3, Navigation Plus




Volkswagen Golf GTI, RNS MFD DVD




Those navigation systems are beautifully integrated. While I agree that they're not the best you can get from an iPod integration point of view, for example, the *usability* and *design* IMHO beats anything you can get out there. They just integrate in the rest of the dashboard, because they were thought and designed for this very purpose.

And by the way, my dad has a touchscreen navigation system on his Jaguar X-Type, but it's always dirty with fingerprint smudges. Too bad Volkswagen is going the same route with the RNS 500/510...
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Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:50 pm

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 29):
Those navigation systems are beautifully integrated. While I agree that they're not the best you can get from an iPod integration point of view, for example, the *usability* and *design* IMHO beats anything you can get out there. They just integrate in the rest of the dashboard, because they were thought and designed for this very purpose.

I agree 100% that OEM nav units are put in nicely in that Audi As for the VW Im not so fond of, and that lane change display is a joke compared to a good Pioneer unit. Im pretty sure you could put an aftermarket unit in there that would look to me just as good if you put work into it. Touchscreen navigation IMO is almost always easier to navigate through with the help of 4-5 buttons.

Heres an interesting list of a OEM nav satisfaction by JD Powers:

Navigation System Ranking by Vehicle Model
(Based on a 1,000-point scale)

Supplier Model Index Score
Pioneer Lincoln Zephyr 844
Alpine Acura TSX 838
Alpine Acura RL 825
Denso Lexus IS 821
Denso Lincoln Town Car 821
Pioneer Ford Freestyle 815
Alpine Honda Ridgeline 813
Pioneer Ford Explorer 812
Alpine Honda Civic 812
Alpine Honda Accord 810
Alpine Honda Civic Hybrid 810
Pioneer Ford Five Hundred 807
Alpine Acura TL 804
Alpine Dodge Durango 803
Alpine Honda Pilot 802
Alpine Dodge Charger 800
Denso Lexus GS 800
Pioneer Mercury Mountaineer 799
Xanavi Nissan Quest 798
Alpine Honda Odyssey 796
Xanavi Infiniti M 796
Alpine Dodge Ram 793
Xanavi Nissan Z 793
Delphi Chevrolet TrailBlazer 790
Alpine Chrysler 300/300C 789
Delphi Chevrolet Avalanche 785
Denso Lincoln LS 784
Denso Toyota Sienna 783
Xanavi Nissan Maxima 781
Xanavi Nissan Pathfinder 780
Alpine Jeep Grand Cherokee 777
Denso Lincoln Navigator 775
Kenwood Subaru Legacy 774
Alpine Jeep Commander 773
Siemens VDO BMW 3 Series 770
Alpine Dodge Grand Caravan 770
Siemens VDO MINI Cooper/Cooper S 769
Denso Toyota Tundra 769
Denso Lexus LS 430 768
Denso Chevrolet Corvette 767
NA Industry Average 767
Alpine Dodge Magnum 766
Denso Cadillac DTS 761
Denso Toyota Prius 759
Denso Lexus RX 330 758
Alpine Acura MDX 757
Xanavi Nissan Titan 757
Kenwood Subaru B9 Tribeca 757
Delphi GMC Envoy 753
Denso Mazda3 753
Blaupunkt Volkswagen Jetta 753
Xanavi Nissan Altima 752
Xanavi Nissan Murano 751
Denso Toyota Sequoia 748
Denso Toyota Camry 745
Visteon Ford Escape Hybrid 744
Denso Toyota Highlander 744
Denso Mazda5 742
Aisin AW Audi A3 739
Kenwood Subaru Outback 739
Blaupunkt Volkswagen Passat 739
Alpine Chrysler Pacifica 737
Siemens VDO BMW 5-Series 731
Harman/Becker Mercedes-Benz SLK 722
Alpine Chrysler Town & Country 717
Aisin AW Audi A4 716
Denso Toyota Avalon 716
Alpine Mercedes-Benz C-Class 715
Visteon Ford Expedition 706
Alpine Jeep Liberty 705
Visteon Mercury Mariner Hybrid 698

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/11/13/028521.html

Ive taken out maybe 10 VW Jetta navs and never knew until now who actually made them but knew they were amongst the worst nav units out there. Now everything is clear, they are made by those jokers at Blaupunkt  rotfl  who have probably worse quality than Jensen/Audiovox.

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Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:28 pm

I like the Audi Q7 integrated information screen.. many functions can be controlled from the steering wheel also:



And the one below is the one I use: Navman navigation device for the window... works well! I have no complaints about it. There's a 1gb memory stick in mine which is enough to store most of Western Europe on it at once.

 
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Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:34 pm

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 20):
Acura's navigation system is awesome.

If only they could make the voice commands work right more than 10% of the time.

The amazing thing is they worked every time for the sales guy.. Then again he probably knew which commands the car understood from him.

My girlfriend already named her nav system "Jeffy" just because of the voice commands. I have played with the actual navigation more and aside from it not being able to find people's houses for me it does a damn good job of finding stores, restaurants, and gas stations.

Nothing could be worse than the BMW nav system. Trying to go anywhere with that was like trying to find a virgin in a maternity ward.
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:35 am

I have the same system as AirPacific747 displayed in his post installed in my A6 and never got a real problem...well can remember that once I drove in a street what wasnt displayed on my screen but that was due to the fact that the street was recently build but for the rest no problem...it always brings me to the right place without delay!
 
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:59 am

Quoting Luxair (Reply 33):
I have the same system as AirPacific747 displayed in his post installed in my A6 and never got a real problem.

Same here!

By the way, you also have the A6 2.7 TDI, right? Nice car, eh? Big grin

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Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 8):
I remember a few years ago in France, my father and I brought a Navman GPS with us for driving down there, and some of the new roads down there were not on the GPS, so it looked like we were flying across forests and other streets that crossed the one we were really driving on... quite amusing for a short amount of time...

A road I use a lot, the A77, has been rebuilt since I got my system and doesn't follow the original road all the way. I keep getting instructions like "In a quarter of a mile continue on the A77". Can't really blame the navigation system.  Smile

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 11):
I havent seen one good factory navigation unit in the 6 years ive been installing car electronics.

There is virtually an endless list of things that are wrong with OEM systems excluding the overpriced maps.

I can't remember who supplies the Jaguar nav system but I have to say that every time I've thought it was giving me duff directions, it's turned out to be right... even on routes I'd been driving for years before. It doesn't have any steering-wheel controls but the newer versions are voice-activated. I was sceptical at the start but it's done a great job.

An updated CD does cost about £500 though - I think I'll just take my chances with the current one.  wideeyed 
 
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:06 am

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 20):
Acura's navigation system is awesome.

I am an Audi owner, so I am not parcel towards Acura.

I concur. Acura's system is excellent. Now they have real-time traffic overlaid on top of the route (but only for some cities such as Los Angeles).

My '06 Audi A3 has a decent nav system, but no touch screen, which makes it more cumbersome to use. On the plus side, you can program an address while driving, which is something you can't do on Land Rover's system or Infiniti's system (at least on the cars I was in -- an LR3 and a G35 respectively). You actually have to pull over and stop to program an address in even though a passenger could be doing it.

I haven't had the same frustration as the OP, as I have found the Audi navigation system to be quite useful (even when the route is not always the shortest).
 
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:24 pm

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 36):
My '06 Audi A3 has a decent nav system, but no touch screen, which makes it more cumbersome to use. On the plus side, you can program an address while driving, which is something you can't do on Land Rover's system or Infiniti's system (at least on the cars I was in -- an LR3 and a G35 respectively). You actually have to pull over and stop to program an address in even though a passenger could be doing it.

You bring up another negative point of a factory system. You cant override/bypass OEM systems (Although I cant encourage anyone to do that in the first place as its an illegal activity Big grin)

Quoting David L (Reply 35):
I can't remember who supplies the Jaguar nav system but I have to say that every time I've thought it was giving me duff directions, it's turned out to be right... even on routes I'd been driving for years before.

I have taken out a couple Jaguar XK navs and they were all Alpine units. My assumption is that Alpine provides the navs for the other series as well.
 
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:38 pm

Most modern GPS's are fairly reliable, although certain areas with lots of construction seem to confuse most units, like the DC Beltway  boggled 
 
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:20 pm

Hey Sabena332 indeed I have the 2.7 btw I did a shiptuning by ABT 3 months ago, up to 225 hp and know it is really fun to drive what I will change next is the exchanging the standard foglights with the LED lights of the S6 and of course put the nose of the S6 but without the S label of course  Wink
Back to the topic, the system in the A6 or A8 is very userfriendly due to the navigation wheel that's my opinion and btw last I drove a new BMW 7 series in Dubai for a couple of days and it had a similar system like my Audi...think even that BMW introduced that navigation wheel (correct me if Im wrong) and also BMW's system was excellent...dont understand those people telling here that build in systems are shit...yes they are expensive but in my view they are (in most cases) superior to the one u buy and install afterwards! I remember when last year I was in Canada, I drove a Chrysler Jeep 5.7 Hemi with a handheld GPS from a very known brand and believe me it was the biggest crap u could imagine! Everytime entering a tunnel it lost contact....the same goes for underground parkings in the city...pfff it was annoying...I can't remember one situation where the system in my Audi lost contact due to entering a tunnel or for whatever reason! Well just speaking out of my own experience of course  Wink
 
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RE: Audi Navigation System...useless...

Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:33 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 37):
My assumption is that Alpine provides the navs for the other series as well.

Come to think of it, I don't think I ever saw who made the unit. The name I'm struggling to remember came from trying to find out who supplied the data CDs - presumably Alpine just build equipment around someone else's navigation system.

I've just seen that you can get a new CD for £150 from NAVTEQ but that's only for models later than 2003. Mine's from 2000.  Sad
 
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Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:01 pm

Does anyone use foldup maps and the position of the sun to figure out where they are anymore?
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RE: Audi Navigation System...useless...

Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:04 pm

Quoting DL021 (Reply 41):
Does anyone use foldup maps and the position of the sun to figure out where they are anymore?

Yes, sometimes, but not when I'm driving.  Smile
 
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Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:24 pm

I just learned the 2008 Accord will no longer come with a touch screen NAV, but rather a joystick similar to the Acura RL setup (but no Nav Traffic). My current Accord has both the joystick and the touchscreen. I NEVER use the stupid joystick so I am sort of confused. The touch screen is much more intuitive.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 32):
If only they could make the voice commands work right more than 10% of the time.

I find directing the a/c vents away from the mic and speaking slowly and a bit louder help significantly.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 32):
My girlfriend already named her nav system "Jeffy" just because of the voice commands.

I named my NAV, Miles. My aunt has a Magellan handheld in her Pilot and she named it 'Maggie.'

Quoting DL021 (Reply 41):
Does anyone use foldup maps and the position of the sun to figure out where they are anymore?

Sometimes. Though my AAA Atlas 2006 doesn't respond when I tell it to 'Find nearest A-T-M' like my car does.
 
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RE: Audi Navigation System...useless...

Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:58 pm

Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 43):
I just learned the 2008 Accord will no longer come with a touch screen NAV, but rather a joystick similar to the Acura RL setup (but no Nav Traffic). My current Accord has both the joystick and the touchscreen. I NEVER use the stupid joystick so I am sort of confused. The touch screen is much more intuitive.

That is a step backwards. It is damn near impossible to use the joystick as a passenger. I haven't yet felt comfortable enough to use it as the driver. The touch screen isn't perfect but it is pretty good for an in car nav system. If I am driving a nice shiny new acura through a not so hot part of town trying to get out I don't want to stop so I can use the joystick.

I will try the fan speed thing on the way home from work in the morning and see if that makes a difference. Thanks for the tip.
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