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Sarkozy : All Diplomats Are Cowards..

Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:28 am

Latest of a long series of "faux pas" by Niclas Sarkozy - in a recent book he revealed his opinion about diplomats -all useless cowards..
"..one should get rid of the "Quai d'Orsay" (where the French diplomacy has it's minitry..)
I French ,the extrais of the book :"
Sarkozy aurait lâché: "il devient très important de se débarrasser du Quai d'Orsay" et "J'ai un mépris pour tous ces types, ce sont des lâches. Quand on est lâche, on ne réfléchit pas".
Meaning one should get rid of those diplomats-all cowards-if one is coward one doesn't consider things.."
Well it sems he has to start considering his statements,which will bring him ton's of trouble..
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RE: Sarkozy : All Diplomats Are Cowards..

Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:35 am

Just out of interest... what book ?

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Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:41 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
'ai un mépris pour tous ces types, ce sont des lâches

Wow... where did he say that?

I'm surprised he would stoop so low... a bit  drunk  , perhaps?

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Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:42 am

Does he explain why he thinks that way?

Just curious. . .
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:43 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
"..one should get rid of the "Quai d'Orsay"

I'm glad we're finally on the same page.

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Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:44 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 2):
""L'aube le soir ou la nuit",

It would seem this remark was made in private...

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Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:46 am

It seems he has somehow lost touch with reality already..
During his last vacation in the States he was invited with his wife Cecilia for a BBQ with GWB and his wife..
He attended,but his wife Cécilia cancelled the invitation"..due to a sickness.." -but was seen doing shopping in the village where they rented a holiday home.
If he continues like that,he will lose all the good-will the French people put into his election.
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:47 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 2):
""L'aube le soir ou la nuit",


http://www.edicom.ch/fr/news/interna....html

I heard of that book. There was a report on Focus Online regarding the writer who followed the President during his entire electoral campaign to write this book.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:48 am

Once you are president of a country like France, there are no such things as "private statements" for the media...
Specially not when it comes to "Quai d' Orsay"...

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/08/24/sarkozy.book.reut/

Some other "bon-mots" - .."the previous French Ambassador to Russia is a fully blown idiot..."

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Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:57 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
Latest of a long series of "faux pas" by Niclas Sarkozy

In all fairness, you would not be calling this a faux pas if he had made a derogatory comment about Bush, or some other matter that you would agree with him on.

Just pointing out that whether he made a faux pas or not depends on a person's individual opinion.
 
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:04 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 9):
"the previous French Ambassador to Russia is a fully blown idiot..."

Well, what if he is?  Wink

This is some pretty strong stuff, but I still find Sarkozy less embarrassing a speaker than some other heavyweight world leaders...  ziplip   Wink

It's still too early for me to deprive him of the benefit of doubt...

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Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:07 am

calling all diplomats cowards does not reflect the balanced considerations a president should have toward the people who represent France abroad...
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:24 am

Quoting Toast (Reply 6):
Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 2):
""L'aube le soir ou la nuit",

It would seem this remark was made in private...

OK...as an ignorant American mono-linguist... what exactly does that mean?

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Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:33 am

Quoting Tugger (Reply 13):
what exactly does that mean?

That's the title of the quoted book... "Dawn, Evening, or Night"... Don't ask...  Confused

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Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:01 pm

Let's put it this way -he's most likely the most over-estimated president of France ,running a Freudian trauma because his wife left him for some French-Moroccan Business man for some months (she disappeared in New York with Richard Attias..)



Nobody in France really understand the role of his wife - who all of a sudden negotiates the liberation of the Bulgarian Nurses in Libya -without any intervention of the French foreign Minister who was not even asked to intervene..
I'm afraid behind his cover and mask of tough decider he is a hopeless frustrated husband who tries to re-gain the control and estimate of his wife.Since she runs the couple,he will always remain the follower ,trying to impress her by his "tough actions".
So France is basically at the mercy of a president who tries to compensate "..une histoire de cul.."
Sorry for the psychological profile-but that's how I perceive the guy...

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Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:19 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 15):
Nobody in France really understand the role of his wife - who all of a sudden negotiates the liberation of the Bulgarian Nurses in Libya

Yeah, that was weird. Still glad the job finally got done  thumbsup  and if the nurses' liberation was indeed pulled of by the Sarkozys, then  thumbsup   thumbsup .

I actually saw Qaḏḏāfī in Brussels in 2004, surrounded by obsequious European officials talking oil contracts and posing for pictures.  yuck 

Sarko sure gives the impression that he's trying to compensate for something. But what was the alternative? A frustrated Ségolène? (Can't exactly blame her, the mental image of Royal + Hollande + sex =  vomit  )

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RE: Sarkozy : All Diplomats Are Cowards..

Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:43 pm

Quoting Toast (Reply 16):
(Can't exactly blame her, the mental image of Royal + Hollande + sex = )

I think the Socialist party lost millions of votes because of Francois Hollande,a self-sufficient ,bureaucratic ,egocentric Dinosaur who still lives in the dark ages of Trotsky/Mitterand/Jaures...
Ségolène Royal is far to intelligent for this qualified a-hole and did right when she decided to quit him- although I never understood how a bright,clever and rather intelligent young political member of the Socialist Party would ever fall under the "charme" of Francois Hollande..
She must have taken drugs....
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:49 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 17):
I think the Socialist party lost millions of votes because of Francois Hollande

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Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 17):
I never understood how a bright,clever and rather intelligent

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Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 17):
young political member of the Socialist Party would ever fall under the "charme" of Francois Hollande

Power is a great aphrodisiac, apparently....

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 17):
She must have taken drugs

Who didn't in the 70s?  Big grin

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Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:54 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 12):
calling all diplomats cowards does not reflect the balanced considerations a president should have toward the people who represent France abroad...

... unless you want to change things. I have my own opinion of the diplomatic corps of France, and it may well be even worse than Sarkozy's.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 15):
So France is basically at the mercy of a president who tries to compensate "..une histoire de cul.."
Sorry for the psychological profile-but that's how I perceive the guy...

... don't you think you are a bit oversimplistic here? You may not like the guy, but leave his private life alone. You may want to use reasonable and polite terms in forums as well. Wink

In France, people who want to change things are often publicly lashed at. It does not mean however that

- things do not need to be changed
- said people are not earnestly trying to make things better  Smile
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:33 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
where the French diplomacy has it's minitry

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just a detail : the French Foreign Ministry has moved to more spacy locations. It however still is known as "Quai d'Orsay". At the old place, there now is a museum.
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Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
he has to start considering his statements,which will bring him ton's of trouble..

they of course bring him trouble, but also tons of popularity, as this ENA-educated class of diplomats are not exactly popular among the people on the street
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
Latest of a long series of "faux pas"

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and here the result of these "faux-pas" :
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Popularité :
Au classement des cinquante personnalités préférées des Français, Nicolas Sarkozy arrive en tête des personnalités politiques : le chef de l’État occupe ainsi la 25e place, alors qu’il n’était que 42e en décembre dernier. À l’inverse, Ségolène Royal, 23e il y a huit mois, est désormais rétrogradée à la 44e position. Bernard Kouchner passe quant à lui de la 40e à la 34e place, Simone Veil de la 25e à la 40e, alors que Rachida Dati fait son entrée dans ce classement, en 49e position.
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Among 50 persons preferred by the French Nicolas Sarkozy arrived on the top of the political personalities, the Head of State takes the 25th place, while he only was on the 42nd place in last December. While Ségolène Royal has fallen back from the 23rd to the 44th position. Bernard Kouchner has advanced to the the 34th place, Simone Veil to the 40th one, and Rachda Dati arrived on the 49th position.
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source: www.professionpolitique.info/article23660.html
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RE: Sarkozy : All Diplomats Are Cowards..

Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:59 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 17):
who still lives in the dark ages of Trotsky/Mitterand/Jaures...

Hmmm ... Trotsky ? I don't think so.  Smile

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter):
"..one should get rid of the "Quai d'Orsay"

I'm glad we're finally on the same page.

Signed,

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Do you mean :

Signed,

The neocons of the United States of America, who insulted France like never, before they were caught with their pants down with their lies and incompetence about 9/11 attacks and Iraq ?????

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 7):
It seems he has somehow lost touch with reality already..

Well, I'm absolutely not surprised.
The French will slowly understand who this guy really is. Very dynamic, that's true, but rude and basic.
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:05 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 21):
and Rachda Dati arrived on the 49th position

Rachide Dati will become the future Condoleezza Rice of France....
She will soon reach her level of incompetence and is already today hated by many of her compatriots,who accuse her of over-reacting to certain legal legislative measures.
While it seemed clever to put a female minister from Maghrebinian origins in a visible and important position,Sarkozy clearly played the "populist" fiber of the public opinion.This government will soon increase VAT by a large amount in order to finance electoral promises.
Just to make things clear-I'm not a supporter of the socialist party of any country-on the very contrary- but I'm afraid the French have gotten themselves into deep trouble (.and I have to pay with my taxes for those troubles..)...
One of the biggest black-holes in the French budget- social security - is literally impossible to tackle due to the strong influence of the pharmaceutical lobby into the French Senate.
Nobody dares to get down to business and cut substantially the abuse of millions of "sick" French consumers,whoeave the pharmacies of this country sometimes packed with full bags of useless medical prescriptions,that do more harm to them than what they are supposed to do..
But that's another thread ...
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Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:17 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 23):
Dati

well, she is a good-looking person
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Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:01 am

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 22):
Do you mean :

Nope...France's standard inaction just happened to work out for them for once.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 23):
but I'm afraid the French have gotten themselves into deep trouble

Is Sarkozy not the best hope in decades to even begin to deal with the largesse of the state? If not him then who?
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Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:29 am

Quoting Toast (Reply 16):
Yeah, that was weird. Still glad the job finally got done thumbsup and if the nurses' liberation was indeed pulled of by the Sarkozys, then thumbsup thumbsup .

Actually not. The negotiations were mostly made by the German foreign department under minister Steinmeier (Chancellor Merkel has during this period been the president of the EU council) and the Bulgarians (who e.g. made the Palaestinian doctor, who was also charged together with the nurses a Bulgarian citizen, so that they could get him out of jail too). The German government is not just a little p*ssed off at Sarkozi because he suddenly barged in when everything was almost over to grab the credit.

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Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:53 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 26):
The negotiations were mostly made by the German foreign department under minister Steinmeier (Chancellor Merkel has during this period been the president of the EU council) and the Bulgarians (who e.g. made the Palaestinian doctor, who was also charged together with the nurses a Bulgarian citizen, so that they could get him out of jail too).

This of course is correct, BUT the weaponry for the Libyan armed forces will come from France. And Sarkozy secured also some other tremendous contracts in the framework of the success of his wife and him !  Wink
 
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Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:06 am

Which is better? Sarkozy or Prince Albert of Monaco?
In my opinion, neither of them are.

The only difference being that Prince Albert did not have to fight or tell people stories to get where he is.
He knew he would have the job.  Big grin
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