bagpiper
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Good LCD Screens - 19 Or 20 Inch

Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:25 pm

Mkay. So, I'm starting a home build computer for my business I started... doing mostly web design and work, with some video editing.

What I'm stuck on is the LCD screen. I know a fair amount about everything else.... but the LCD screens, I have no idea. Right now I'm on a 15 inch 1400x1050 pixel laptop display. Pretty nice screen. Now, if I go to 19 inch, most that I see are 1440x900. Seems like the 19 inch wide screen would be taller than my 15 inch full screen display, yet it has fewer "height" pixels.

So... running photoshop, dreamweaver, a few games... would 1440x900 be a let down? Should I go to a 20 inch 1680x1050?

I'm planning on eventually getting a second monitor, so I can run all the chat windows w/ clients in one screen, and do the work in the other. Stuff like that.

What brands? Acer? Asus? Samsung? ViewSonic? Dell? Good ones, or bad ones? How about contrast.... 1,000:1 is ok? 700:1?

Response time, I'm not too worried about. 5ms should be fine for me, I'd think.... unless 2ms is only 5 bucks more.

Thanks for the help!

Oh, and I'll be running these off of the analog video ports... VGA or D-sub, whatever it is called. The actual computer will be running behind me, while I'll be routing the cables through a wall into a wall face plate, where I can attach the cables. DVI can only go 12 feet or whatever, so that probably won't reach. It might... we'll see....

I assume VGA or D-sub is still an ok connection to use?
 
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RE: Good LCD Screens - 19 Or 20 Inch

Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:56 pm

I found a 22" LG with 2ms and 3000:1 for $300. I'm absolutely in love with this monitor; no complaints whatsoever as of yet (bout 3 weeks now).

Looks like it's now up to $350, but still a good deal in my opinion:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....2%22&type=product&id=1177112467150

-Mike
 
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RE: Good LCD Screens - 19 Or 20 Inch

Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:24 pm

I just got a 22" Planar PX2210MW LCD, and it's great. Planar makes professional displays for just about any purpose, and the PX is their pro graphics line. I do photo editing and web design myself, so backlight even-ness and color accuracy were really important. If you can get past the ugly (and useless for me) integrated speakers, it's a steal at $285 - even less than some consumer displays.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824016083
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ag92
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RE: Good LCD Screens - 19 Or 20 Inch

Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:21 pm

Why settle for second best?

Go for 24 or 30 inch

Regards
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bagpiper
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RE: Good LCD Screens - 19 Or 20 Inch

Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:32 pm

mkay... I think I'm gunna run over to Office Depot or Best Buy so I can actually look at them and see them.... then I'll decide. I'll definitely check out the ones you guys suggested! Thanks!
 
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RE: Good LCD Screens - 19 Or 20 Inch

Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:11 am

Getting any decent monitor and then feeding it an analog signal is a complete waste of money. Especially when you're doing anything that's got to do with image quality, VGA is a big no-no. (But even text will visibly deteriorate via VGA.)

The digital-to-analog-and-back-to-digital double conversion loses colour accuracy and edge precision, makes the image susceptible to any kind of analog interference and is a general nuisance to begin with.

The analog era is over. VGA is a legacy port for CRTs which has no place in any new computer setup. Trading quality for minor convenience is a bad long-term deal.

If your computer is too loud for you, get a less noisy one or silence it with improved cooling.


A few hints:

- Very short switching times of an LCD can make matters worse, actually, because they often come at the expense of a multi-frame latency which can cause an annoying "mouse lag" and asynchronous audio/video presentation.

- Extreme contrast may be less relevant than uniformity of the backlight if you're doing photo or video work.

- In my opinion one can't have enough screen resolution, especially if you're working with many windows/palettes. That's why I'm using two 20" 1600*1200 LCDs.  Smile
 
bagpiper
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RE: Good LCD Screens - 19 Or 20 Inch

Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:45 am

thanks Klaus!

I want widescreen... so I'm looking at a 20" or 22" WSXGA+ (1680x1050). I don't have a whooole lot of money to blow on this, so I'm not wanting to get something really massive or really really nice.

The reason the computer will be a little ways away from the monitor is not noise issues.

I just checked DVI specs, and 15 feet is the limit, so it looks like I can use DVI after all... I hope. Depends on how I hard-wire the cords. Should work out ok.

Klaus, any specific suggestions for a 20" - 22" LCD, around $250 USD, since you're into this stuff?

I assume they have different products in Germany than in the US, so if thats the case, I guess you can't suggest stuff too well.
 
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RE: Good LCD Screens - 19 Or 20 Inch

Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 6):
Klaus, any specific suggestions for a 20" - 22" LCD, around $250 USD, since you're into this stuff?

Not really, at this point. I've not been looking for a new monitor for a while, and apart from the high end manufacturers there is little you can go on besides actually checking out the individual models through competent tests or looking at them yourself.

Price is not always a good indicator for quality, so attractive bargains can be found on occasion.
 
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RE: Good LCD Screens - 19 Or 20 Inch

Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:16 am

I'm looking at the Samsung 206BW [url="http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-206BW-20-Inch-Digital-Widescreen/dp/B000N5WNKM/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-9211773-8006051?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1188506842&sr=1-1"](link on amazon[/url])

Or, maybe the 216BW, which is the 21" version.

[Edited 2007-08-31 00:17:58]
 
Klaus
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RE: Good LCD Screens - 19 Or 20 Inch

Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:28 am

One of the user comments remarks that it emits a relatively loud buzzing noise at some settings. You might want to check it out in a store if possible...

It doesn't look too bad for its price, but as I said I don't have a current overview of the market.
 
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RE: Good LCD Screens - 19 Or 20 Inch

Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:36 am

The two brands of monitors I personally like are the IBM ThinkVision and the Dell flatpanels. The ThinkVision monitors are rather dramatically bright, perhaps excessively so from a color management perspective, but they do look hot nonetheless. The Dell flatpanels (at least, as of 2005) offer very good color fidelity...I'm looking at one as I type this.

I personally vastly prefer non glossy LCDs to glossy LCDs...I have two Lenovo laptops with glossy screens that drive me crazy. Colors appare more consistent on an LCD with a matte finish.

I have to say though, I've yet to find an LCD that could replace my CRT. The superior refresh rates and resolution-changing capabilities of the CRT platform simply can't be beat, IMO.
 
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RE: Good LCD Screens - 19 Or 20 Inch

Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:48 am

Quoting WGW2707 (Reply 10):
I have to say though, I've yet to find an LCD that could replace my CRT. The superior refresh rates and resolution-changing capabilities of the CRT platform simply can't be beat, IMO.

Refresh rates are largely irrelevant with LCDs as they inherently don't flicker anyway. The only remaining reason to care about it any more is video frame synchronization (24p).

And as for resolution changing, that depends a lot on what you're using it for. If you're playing a lot and so are using different lower resolutions frequently it may be a worthwile issue; But that is pretty much the only reason to switch resolutions any more.

I'm glad I got rid of my last CRT a while ago - the energy saving alone is substantial (max. 50W against max. 120W), and that at a much better (sharper) picture and larger viewable area. Some few high-end CRTs may still offer somewhat better colour reproduction (which is increasingly unlikely), but for almost everything else LCDs are much better nowadays.
 
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RE: Good LCD Screens - 19 Or 20 Inch

Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:51 am

When video editing, I use a MacPro with two 30" HD Cinema Displays. They are the best monitors I have personally seen, but I know by specs they can be beaten. I recommend them as a fellow video editor (the 20", version though).
 
bagpiper
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RE: Good LCD Screens - 19 Or 20 Inch

Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:56 am

Quoting Mdodd (Reply 12):

at 600 USD a piece?  Wow!

I wish!

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
buzzing

Seems like its only on lower power settings... so it should be ok. I'm gunna run over to my local computer store though.


Thanks for the info, guys!
 
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RE: Good LCD Screens - 19 Or 20 Inch

Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:21 pm

Quoting Bagpiper (Reply 13):
at 600 USD a piece?

At that price, you may as well get an Eizo.  Wink

I just don't understand the Apple displays beyond their aesthetic value.
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RE: Good LCD Screens - 19 Or 20 Inch

Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:36 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 11):
Refresh rates are largely irrelevant with LCDs as they inherently don't flicker anyway. The only remaining reason to care about it any more is video frame synchronization (24p).

Video frame rate synchronization caused by lower refresh rates IS the problem! This is why, when watching certain action films or playing certain games, on certain lower quality LCDs you get disgusting blurring effects.

That said, I do believe this problem will be corrected, as will the problem of screen resolution (once natives resolutions cross a certain threshold, it should be possible to emulate lower resolutions with no perceptible loss of quality), but until then, I will retain at least one 19" CRT.

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