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Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:04 pm

Breaking-

Hey guys just watched TV - this big A**Ho*** wanted to bomb FRA airport and many other cities in Germany .

Police says it could have been worse than Madrid or London


German Police is really doing a great Job !

Konstantin


Update to follow ...
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:06 pm

Here a link :

In german : Title : We've foiled massive terrorist Attacks .

http://stern.de/politik/deutschland/...-Wir-Bombenanschl%E4ge/596940.html


In English :

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe...5/germany.terrorarrests/index.html


They wanted also to attack US Airports.
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:07 pm

I find it funny how people bitch and moan when it comes to all the extra security and little extra inconvenience and this ends up being the end result. You really can't argue with results.
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:24 pm

Yeah, there seems to be ties with the Al Qaeda linked group that Danish police busted this Monday... One of the apartment blocks (the one seen on CNN) was evacuated because of a suspected presence of explosive materials... That apartment block is only a couple of hundred meters from mine.

It shall be interesting to see what comes out of this, so far Danish police intelligence have been very conservative in their information sharing. While German police was not.

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Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:25 pm

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 2):
on the BBC for a while

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I had it on the internet when I started my computer in the office just before 9am (8am British time), so that it of course was "in the news" in the early morning already. But who expects such things really ?!
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:31 pm

One interesting quote from the German news article is that one of the arrested is a German who has converted to Islam. First, freshly converted (to any religion) always seem to be the most zealous, secondly it points to a problem with a localy bred generation of islamistic terrorists, similar to Britain, not people from abroad, who try to sneak in.

I hope they get them for attempted mass murder. Life without parole.

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Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:05 pm

Great bust by the German authorities. I spent a lot of time at Ramstein when I was living over in Germany, which makes this a little close to home. Beautiful area, beautiful base...I'm glad that the Germans stopped anything from happening to it.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:18 pm

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
German Police is really doing a great Job !



Quoting KSYR (Reply 7):
Great bust by the German authorities.

I agree completely, good work and kudos to the German Police.

With all the cop-bashing threads we have on A.net it's a refreshing change to have one that is complimentary of law enforcement.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:36 pm

I suspect that someone gave some believable info to the police to cause a professionally done investigation. There is no doubt that when the police are given such leads, they have well organized and focused specialized investigators, share info between different groups of forces, they can do the job needed. One problem in the USA are the many layers of uncoordinated police and investigative forces that discourages a local police force from disclosing into to the FBI or other forces as don't want to lose the glory of success. I do hope that if there was a serious plot that it is totally busted and discourages others to do such acts in the future.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:43 pm

Holy sh**

Just saw on TV that they got the explosives just some KM away of my Town , the President of the German FBI said that they got the materials in the nears of Freudenstadt , this city is 2 KM away of my house ...


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Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:44 pm

Quoting UnknownUser (Reply 3):
I find it funny how people bitch and moan when it comes to all the extra security and little extra inconvenience and this ends up being the end result. You really can't argue with results.

I tend to disagree on this one, from a German point of view.

We have a big discussion going on here, about "federal Trojans", online computer searches (without a judge's order) and improved surveillance methods. Our state minister claims this is inevitable for "fighting terrorism". A lot of BS is involved in the debate.

Yet, today's arrests show that it is obviously possible to track down terrorists without these new measures.

You cannot get 100% security. We definitely need a well-sized and well-trained police force, no doubt about it. But it makes me wanna throw up when the same people who cut down the police budget every year try to play Mr. Super Security by implementing new laws on a weekly basis that senselessly destroy the individuals' freedom.

Anyway, great job by the police today. Good to know that there seem to be at least some professionals at work.

Edit: typos.

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Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:47 pm

Also a great work by the german secret service BND , I'm sure they gave the first clue to the Police ...
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:53 pm

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Big Terrorist Attack Foiled In Germany

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Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:57 pm

I'm glad this potential horror scenario was avoided. The Germans seem to have their act together in terms of counter-terrorism. By US target in Germany I assume they mean military and governmental installations, which strikes me as foolish.

Quoting Queso (Reply 11):
Oh brother. I can't imagine what country you are comparing that to. Flamebait.

If you bothered to read the guys posts before instinctively reaching for your uber-patriot hat you would have read that he actually mentions the USA in the post above the one you quoted. But please don't let that stop you from playing the victimized American, sticking up for his country against the heathen masses of A.net  Yeah sure

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 19):
Nice lame ass attempt at a thread hijack and turning this into a "Let's bash the USA" thread

I'm guessing you work in law enforcement. If you didn't I think you would not have been so offended by what Zak typed. All he was trying to say (as far as I can tell) is that sometimes the softer approach is better.

Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 13):
We have just as many individual rights and we pioneered the concept.

hahahaha yeah I suppose you also "created" gravity and sunlight. If you can figure out how to use google, maybe you should spend some time reading up on individual rights.

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Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:01 pm

Quoting YOWza (Reply 14):
If you bothered to read the guys posts before instinctively reaching for your uber-patriot hat you would have read that he actually mentions the USA in the post above the one you quoted. But please don't let that stop you from playing the victimized American, sticking up for his country against the heathen masses of A.net  

BS - It was flamebait. And now it's gone, so I guess the mods thought so too.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 14):
I'm guessing you work in law enforcement.

Guessing?? You haven't paid much attention to non-av have you?

Quoting YOWza (Reply 14):
All he was trying to say (as far as I can tell) is that sometimes the softer approach is better.

Then he should have stated it like you did.
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:09 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
I suspect that someone gave some believable info to the police to cause a professionally done investigation. There is no doubt that when the police are given such leads, they have well organized and focused specialized investigators, share info between different groups of forces, they can do the job needed. One problem in the USA are the many layers of uncoordinated police and investigative forces that discourages a local police force from disclosing into to the FBI or other forces as don't want to lose the glory of success. I do hope that if there was a serious plot that it is totally busted and discourages others to do such acts in the future.

Note that the actual arrest was made by a specialist anti-terrorist unit, the GSG-9, which is part of the federal police, while the local state police was securing the perimeter. No local police commander botching the job because he wannted to grab the glory for himself and his unit, just get those who are trained and equipped for doing a specialist job and let them do the job. Still, apparently a state police officer on the perimeter got the last suspect, who jumped out of a window.

I assume that the information came from the chemicals dealers, who noted that somebody without proper credentials was ordering huge amounts of potentially dangerous chemicals.

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Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:34 pm

Quoting Queso (Reply 8):
cop-bashing threads

well, here is an opportunity to praise and compliment the policemen involved for their success in the struggle against terrorism and other organised crime. And to read that 300 men covered the culprits for many months without having been detected is mind-boggling !
 
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:36 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 6):
First, freshly converted (to any religion) always seem to be the most zealous,

Well, there is and old saying in Slovakia, that's there since the Osman Empire: " Poturcenec horsi turka"; translated: Turk convert is worse that the real one. (apologies to out Turkish friends)

I'd say it's perfectly understandable. People who converted to a different religion did so, because they already had some personal problem with the old religion and apparently have a desire to do something against it.
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Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 6):
that one of the arrested is a German

according to the Frankfurter Allgemeine
www.faz.net/s/RubF359F74E867B46C1A18...D0F24B7~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html
two of the three are Germans and one a Turk. But apparently, more suspects are to be taken into custody soon anyway
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Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 10):
in the nears of Freudenstadt , this city is 2 KM away of my house ...

in other words, your house is "in the nears of Freudenstadt" ?
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Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:55 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 19):
in other words, your house is "in the nears of Freudenstadt" ?
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ahem, my slightly modified 2 cents on the subject, now well composed into a relevant message and reposted  Yeah sure  Yeah sure  wink 

Quoting UnknownUser (Reply 3):
I find it funny how people bitch and moan when it comes to all the extra security and little extra inconvenience and this ends up being the end result. You really can't argue with results.

what are you referring to? i am curious as to which piece of german legislation you refer to, since it is not clear and certainly, as some already pointed out above, your statement is kind of unprecise on this.
also, i would like to know in which context you are referring to people in germany bitching and moaning about extra inconvenience and extra security, after all, the only area where such "citizen inconvenient" things were introduced were airline related security checks, which dont apply here at all.
i'd like to point out that, incase you imply it, draconic legislation of the patriot act type does not exist in germany nor was it introduced with the revision of terrorism related legislation, which was updated from RAF to modern times recently.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:24 am

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 15):

Guessing?? You haven't paid much attention to non-av have you?

Is he some sort of A.net celebrity or something? I don't really put a lot of stock into online fame, I prefer interacting with real people. But that's just me.

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 15):

BS - It was flamebait. And now it's gone, so I guess the mods thought so too.

Fair enough.

All the bickering aside it's good that this was resolved cleanly by the Germans. I sure we can all agree on at least that.

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Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:26 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 22):
All the bickering aside it's good that this was resolved cleanly by the Germans. I sure we can all agree on at least that.

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Quoting YOWza (Reply 22):
Is he some sort of A.net celebrity or something?

Nah - but he, along with the many other LEOs in the non-av forum have been mentioned many times. I figured it was pretty common knowledge.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:35 am

Congratulations to the hardworking security forces !

Can you imagine how bad ass the German special security sections must be. Sorry to seam so dripping , but I sure can think of a whole lot of other people I would rather have investigating me. !

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Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:42 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 14):
All he was trying to say (as far as I can tell) is that sometimes the softer approach is better.

thanks. i am a strong proponent that an overhyped security actually helps the cause of terrorists with the "muslim extremist" background. they fear nothing more than open society and free opinion.
the operation in germany proved a few concepts that are drastically different to what is usually being sold as the solution to the thread of ideologically (religious or social) motivated threat of terrorism: that sacrifices have to be made and that the gloves are off.
the operation as a whole is a proof of concept that a government can, even in those situations, maintain a position where violence is a LAST resort and not an easy solution.
i do not understand the hostility, after all, alot of things are being pushed through in many countries of the world with a justification that its needed "because of terror". i believe it is just taken as a token reason to proliferate means of crowd and information control with a strategical and industrial espionage background. all the hostility must come from the fact that alot of success is being made against terror in places, not exclusively in germany, that promote a legally sound, just, soft and diplomatic approach to the unquestionable problem of religiously motivated extremism, whilst countries who try to counter violence with more violence and less rights have less of a positive track record.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:03 am

Quoting UnknownUser (Reply 3):
I find it funny how people bitch and moan when it comes to all the extra security and little extra inconvenience and this ends up being the end result. You really can't argue with results.

Extra security is OK, but the problem is when these measures spread paranoia. Have a look at when you fly LY. They probably have the strictest of security measures around, but even so, people still feel safe and are not "infected" by all the paranoia. So, the security people should be careful and not spread paranoia.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 16):
Note that the actual arrest was made by a specialist anti-terrorist unit, the GSG-9, which is part of the federal police, while the local state police was securing the perimeter. No local police commander botching the job because he wannted to grab the glory for himself and his unit, just get those who are trained and equipped for doing a specialist job and let them do the job. Still, apparently a state police officer on the perimeter got the last suspect, who jumped out of a window.

As a sidenote for all others: The GSG-9, once known as Grenzschutzgruppe 9, was created in the wake of the terrorist attacks of the 1972 Olympic Games in Munich. The group was created specifically to fight the problem of terrorism in West Germany. The GSG-9 became known worldwide during the liberation of the hijacked LH 737 (D-ABCE, the Landshut) in Somalia, where they, along with two members of the British SAS, planned and later executed "Operation Magic Fire", the liberation of the Landshut, which ended with all hostages being rescued alive and uninjured (except for Captain Jürgen Schumann, who was killed by one of the terrorists, Mahmud, during a fuelstop in Yemen), and most of the terrorist dying from the resulting firefight.

Congratulations to the GSG-9 and the German authorities for once again doing a job well done, foiling a major terrorist attack! May you continue to keep our country safe!
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:03 am

Quoting KSYR (Reply 7):
Great bust by the German authorities.

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Quoting YOWza (Reply 14):
Quoting HuskyAviation (Reply 13):
We have just as many individual rights and we pioneered the concept.

hahahaha yeah I suppose you also "created" gravity and sunlight. If you can figure out how to use google, maybe you should spend some time reading up on individual rights.

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Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:04 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 14):
I'm guessing you work in law enforcement. If you didn't I think you would not have been so offended by what Zak typed

My profession is irrelevant to this thread just as the post with which I took exception was. The actions of the officers are to be commended and undoubtedly saved numerous lives. An attempt to turn that into a bashing of the U.S. and our homicide by firearm rate was uncalled for.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 14):
All he was trying to say (as far as I can tell) is that sometimes the softer approach is better.

One of the three men fled and, in a scuffle with a police officer, wrested a pistol from his holster and shot him in the hand before he was subdued, the authorities said. The officer was slightly wounded.

The "softer approach" you are referring to resulted in one of the arresting officers being shot. To me, that doesn't translate to being a "better approach". Fortunately, the officer survived and the suspect was taken into custody without further incident. I can't help but wonder if a slightly "harder approach" may have spared the officer from being the victim of a gunshot wound.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:06 am

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 28):
The actions of the officers are to be commended and undoubtedly saved numerous lives. An attempt to turn that into a bashing of the U.S. and our homicide by firearm rate was uncalled for.

I was just sharing my interpretation of another poster's remarks. I said nothing about the US, US gun control laws, or anything else US-related and I'm still getting flack for being anti-American?!?! Make no mistake, I do question things that go on in the US, particularly at the federal government level but as far as being anti-American that does not apply to me, despite what some people on this forum may have lead you to believe.

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 28):
The "softer approach" you are referring to resulted in one of the arresting officers being shot. To me, that doesn't translate to being a "better approach".

Occupational hazard.

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Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:39 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 29):
Occupational hazard.

And the same could be said for the thug had he took a bullet from a "harder approach"
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:52 pm

Ok, from what I gathered from listening to various serious radio stations last night the whole thing went like this:

Apparently some members of the group attracted attention last year when they were noticed observing US military installations in Germany (this tip might actually have come from the American military police / intelligence, the news were a bit vague about this).
It was decided back then not to arrest the men right away, but to watch them (by police and the internal intelligence office Verfassungsschutz, Department for the protection of the constitution), with the hope to identify their contacts. It was also noticed that they were regularly visiting an islamic information center, which was known for radical activities.

When the men bought a large amount of concentrated hydrogen peroxide, the observation was intensified. The men moved to a rural village and stored the chemicals in a garage. After a few months a police team burled the garage and switched the concentrated hydrogen peroxide for normal 3% hydrogen peroxode, which is not usefull for making explosives.
The police also wiretapped the telephones and watched the emails.
It was found that the group of about ten people was acting highly conspiratively, with several "safe houses " etc. and that they appeared to suspect that they might be observed and took precautions.
A few days ago two members of the group attracted the attention of traffic police, because they were driving through a town without dimming their headlights. The traffic cops knew nothing about the men being watched as potential terrorists, but apparently the stopping and ticketing spooked the terrorists. They started preparing for manufacturing the bombs in earnest and also for hiding.
A GSG-9 team was set up close to the house, camouflaged as Telekom lines men for one week.
Since the terrorists would have noticed that something had happened to the chemicals when they would have started making the explosives, it was decided to raid the house last night and to arrest three of them. Apparently the identity of the other 7 persons is known to the police. At the same time 40 other premises were raided by police in other parts of Germany.
During the raid one terrorist managed to dive through a backroom window and to run away, but he was challenged by a state cop a few hundred meters away. He didn't stop when challenged, upon which the cop opened fire, wounding the terrorist, who was then wrestled down and arrested.

Of the three people arrested this night, two were ethnic Germans, who convverted to Islam. One came from Turkey. All were in their early 20s and had been to the Pakistani-Afghan border for training in Al Qaeda camps.

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Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:02 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 31):
During the raid one terrorist managed to dive through a backroom window and to run away, but he was challenged by a state cop a few hundred meters away. He didn't stop when challenged, upon which the cop opened fire, wounding the terrorist, who was then wrestled down and arrested.

in the original press conference, it was said that he tried to apprehend him, however during this, he lost control of his weapon, a shot injured the policeman in the hand, before he regained control with help of nearby other policemen (perimeter security)
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:16 pm

Quoting Zak (Reply 32):
in the original press conference, it was said that he tried to apprehend him, however during this, he lost control of his weapon, a shot injured the policeman in the hand, before he regained control with help of nearby other policemen (perimeter security)

Then I missunderstood it. I was driving to work when I listened to the broadcast on WDR 5.

BTW, I don't like the way Schaeuble is now pushing for the secret "online searches" of computer harddisks.
What I don't like is that he wants the police or Verfassungsschutz to have to power basically to search computers secretly through government installed trojans without approval by a court.
I have no problem if it is handled like wiretappings so far, that the police needs a warrant from a judge, but I don't like to give the police unlimited powers, especially on the intelligence side.

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Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:29 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 33):
I don't like the way Schaeuble is now pushing for the secret "online searches" of computer harddisks.
What I don't like is that he wants the police or Verfassungsschutz to have to power basically to search computers secretly through government installed trojans without approval by a court.
I have no problem if it is handled like wiretappings so far, that the police needs a warrant from a judge, but I don't like to give the police unlimited powers, especially on the intelligence side.

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IMO Schäuble is going a bit too far with that. I mean, wiretaps (as long as a court order authorises them of course), extra security searches at airports or train stations, I can live with that. I mean, nobody likes it, but we can all live with that. But with those government trojans and other things Schäuble is proposing, he essentially wants to turn our country into a police state, basically succumbing to all the paranoia.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:53 pm

it is even more stupid considering that with LITTLE effort and knowledge, it can be made 100% useless.
if someone wants to do things no good, its easy: boot from a read only operating system, store all your data on a memory stick with truecrypt on it.
given that the avg terrorist might not be so knowledgeable, it still appears to be absurd to assume that their crappy trojans can not be caught. no matter how sophisticated they are, they will be caught, dissected and such.
the traditional terrorists will not be caught with this, people interested in electronical terrorism will laugh about it.

apart from that, it strikes me how INEPT the it related employees in the pentagon, german parliament and who knows where else are.
given that a computer costs nothing these days, why did nobody think about using simple, TWO physically seperated networks and workstations. one that is for online research and who the fuck knows why they need internet access, the second computer + network is physically detached from the outside and only for that confidential stuff, preferably all 'nix .
i was actually shocked that the pentagon does not use this, what the heck do they need to be webbrowsing over there.
you really have to wonder how much damage, strategically, can be done thanks to it-related lobbyism.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:31 pm

Easy guys...
so far I am far from convinced they are telling us the truth. It is much more likely that it is only a big scam, brought up by the likes of Schäuble. We have not been presented proof that ANY of this has really happened and that IF it would have had such a bad effect or that bombs would realla have been built and really exploded somewhere.

I will have to see a bomb go off in Germany before anybody can convince me there actually is a terror threat in Germany. And you will not see any bombs go off in Germany, because there is not terror-threat, period!
Wanna make me change my mind? Present me a bomb that works/has worked ... has not and will not happen!

I am sick and tired of politicians annoying my intellect!
We have so many potentially dangerous criminals here, why not focus on them rather than on those wannabe-terrorists (IF the really exist)?
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RE: Big Terrorist Attack Foiled In Germany

Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:41 pm

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 36):
by the likes of Schäuble

hey, he wanted to further increase our safety and security last week, dont you remember, by changing the gun laws and make them more liberal.
i have never seen a politician "shut up" so fast, when he noticed how basically everyone was against him, including the shooters organizations.
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RE: Big Terrorist Attack Foiled In Germany

Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:45 pm

Zak, are you from Germany (or studying here)?
Asking, cause you seem to have quite some insight into German politics.

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RE: Big Terrorist Attack Foiled In Germany

Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:29 pm

Quoting YOWza (Reply 22):
All the bickering aside it's good that this was resolved cleanly by the Germans. I sure we can all agree on at least that.

I read this thread last night, and was so miffed by the mess that I gave up. However, the thread seems to have calmed down and I don't even want to know what happened. But yes, I can agree on that.

Just well done to the German police. That is the way to make being a terrorist unattractive as an occupation! A high proportion of the operation mopped up and minimal or perhaps even no collateral mess. Great job.

Also it seems to be a much more convincing case than the arrests here seem to have been. One guy arrested here appears to have offered to act as a mole but was turned down and arrested. Not a great incentive to the next potential mole!
 
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RE: Big Terrorist Attack Foiled In Germany

Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:28 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 31):
After a few months a police team burled the garage and switched the concentrated hydrogen peroxide for normal 3% hydrogen peroxode, which is not usefull for making explosives.

I really do like this part of the story....  Wink

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 33):
BTW, I don't like the way Schaeuble is now pushing for the secret "online searches" of computer harddisks.
What I don't like is that he wants the police or Verfassungsschutz to have to power basically to search computers secretly through government installed trojans without approval by a court.
I have no problem if it is handled like wiretappings so far, that the police needs a warrant from a judge, but I don't like to give the police unlimited powers, especially on the intelligence side.

and I wholeheartedly agree on that... I don't want Germany to be turned into a police state, either...

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 36):
so far I am far from convinced they are telling us the truth. It is much more likely that it is only a big scam, brought up by the likes of Schäuble.

but, dude, if you seriously think this is true you should get some help.... or do you belong to those guys who believe 9/11 was conducted by the US government themselves?
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RE: Big Terrorist Attack Foiled In Germany

Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:24 am

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 36):

Dude, are you for real?
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RE: Big Terrorist Attack Foiled In Germany

Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:18 am

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RE: Big Terrorist Attack Foiled In Germany

Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:00 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 29):
Occupational hazard.

Asinine statement from another armchair quarterback. Your "softer approach" is what nearly got the officer killed. If I'm in a foot pursuit with someone suspected of partaking in a plot that would have resulted in the deaths of hundreds (maybe even thousands) of people, my weapon will be out and I will most assuredly not try and engage the suspect in a "wresting" match when effecting the arrest. He'll be ordered, at gunpoint, to get down on his stomach with his arms outstretched and if he reacts in any manner I deem as offensive or a threat to my safety, I'll put 3 rounds center mass.

I wasn't there but all of the reports are consistently saying the officer tried to physically subdue the suspect. Extremely poor tactical practice and the officer nearly paid the ultimate price because of it.
 
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RE: Big Terrorist Attack Foiled In Germany

Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:36 am

Quoting Bozo (Reply 42):

Still kudos to the people who busted those wretched fuckers. However, N24 could have spared its viewers the interview with the lame-ass mayor of the town where the conspirators got busted. I can't stand politicians who make shit up as they go. This guy claims in all seriousness, among other dumb things, that the locals will need "14 days to 3 weeks" to recover from the shock of having had terrorists busted there. Yeah, Sigmund Freud, great estimate  thumbsup 
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RE: Big Terrorist Attack Foiled In Germany

Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:48 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 33):
Schaeuble is now pushing for the secret "online searches" of computer harddisks.

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Is Schaeuble a shareholder of an internet-company ? I am quite confident that you in no time can buy "government online trojan removing programs", which will become highly fashionable, among people who have nothing to do with terrorism or anti-terrorism.
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at the other hand, I think he handled the matter quite well, and it is his job to make "propositions".

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