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Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:21 am

So long, Hengelberth, Maolenin, Kerbert Krishnamerk, Githanjaly, Yornaichel, Nixon and Yurbiladyberth. The prolifically inventive world of Venezuelan baby names may be coming to an end.

If electoral officials here get their way, a bill introduced last week would prohibit Venezuelan parents from bestowing those names — and many, many others — on their children.

The measure would not be retroactive. But it would limit parents of newborns to a list of 100 names established by the government, with exemptions for Indians and foreigners, and it is already facing skepticism in the halls of the National Assembly.

“I need to know how they would define those 100 names,” said Jhonny Owee Milano Rodríguez, a congressman representing Cojedes State. “For example, why not 120? This seems arbitrary to me.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/05/wo...ez.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:23 am

George won't be making that list.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:25 am

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RE: Venezuela To Limit Names For Children

Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:26 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
George won't be making that list.

I wonder if Konstantin will make the list?  Wink  Wink
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RE: Venezuela To Limit Names For Children

Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:41 am

Hugo, Mohammad, Fidel, Che, and Mao will be on the accepted list.

I agree that George will be crossed off the list.

Now, I want to see anyone come on here and tell me that Venezuela isn't a dictatorial state now.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:44 am

I believe most countries have legislations limiting the choice of given names for babies. I knew Brazil was an exception and that people hell-bent on sticking idiotic labels on there children flocked to Brazil to be able to do it, but Venezuela is a surprise.

I don't like Chávez, but I see no reason to bash him for this particular move.

I have a Brazilian friend called Desimar. Desimar = Desidério + Maria, his parents' names.

Desimar claims (and I have no reason not to believe him) that a friend of his was given the name Uno Dos Três do match his last name da Silva Quatro.

That's Uno Dos Três da Silva Quatro.

I can't be bothered to find a source, but if I recall correctly, an Italian couple wanting to name their newborn boy and girl Sony and Lufthansa respectively, went to Brazil and did just that.

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Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:44 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
But it would limit parents of newborns to a list of 100 names established by the government

1. Hugo
2. Fidel
3. Mahmoud
4. Kim
5. Evo
6. Vladimir

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RE: Venezuela To Limit Names For Children

Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
George will be crossed off the list.

but Jorge Arbusto possibly will still be possible ?  Silly
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:40 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 7):
but Jorge Arbusto possibly will still be possible ?

Excellent translation!  rotfl 

But guess what, Ecuador has them beat!!

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Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:57 am

I know that in Finland the government must approve the given name of a baby. However, they are pretty lenient and aren't limited to 100 names.
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RE: Venezuela To Limit Names For Children

Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:14 am

How bizarre!

Any time the subject of naming children comes up, I'm reminded of four sisters with whom I attended high school:
Tonjaleria
Estralida
Malaria (Yes, that's how she spelled her name, although she pronounced the second "a" as a hard "e".)
Toy (Yes, that was her legal name and not a nickname.)

Although all four of them were perfectly nice young ladies, I can't help but think that their individuality might have been somehow diminished if their parents had been forced to give them more mainstream names selected from a pre-approved list.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:32 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 3):
Konstantin

Haha

as much as I like the great Hugo , I think this is a pretty stupid law ... they have more important things to do !


But as I got a 90 days ban for discussing about this topics , I'll avoid all this topics ...


 Wink

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Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:58 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 8):
guess what

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I am absolutely in favour of full freedom to choose first names, even when sometimes people go into the absurd. But regulation by the authorities makes things unnecessarily boring. We for a while hat an Italian working with us whose first-name was Yuri, as he was born right when Yuri Gagarin was the first cosmonaut in space. I find such things nice.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 12):
Yuri,

That is not a bad name, IMHO.

But did you read my link about the province of Manabi in Ecuador?

That is one for the books.

- We suppose these names seem less weird in a province where one of the biggest cities is Jipijapa (pronounced "Hippy-Hoppa") and smaller towns have names like Tripa de Pollo (Chicken Tripe), Dos Culos (Two Assholes) and Caga Fuego (Shits Fire). One town has as its official name a slang term which translates loosely to "Horny Town".

Here are better examples for your pleasure: (in Spanish)

"La costumbre de imponer peculiares nombres no sólo afecta a los habitantes, sino también a los poblados, por lo que existen zonas llamadas Cagafuego, Dos Culos, Moja Huevo, Estero Maricón, El Pueblo Arrecho o El Placer del Culo, entre otros que figuran en los libros del Consejo Provincial."

(Town names, in order, Shits fire, two assholes, wets egg - note that in Spanish eggs is also slang for testicles - , gay boardwalk, horny town, pleasure of the ass)

And a couple more names:

En el Registro Civil de Portoviejo reposan actas con nombres como Normandía, Espíritu Santo, Cristóbal Colón, Aquiles Machuca, Tissot, Clavelo, Semen, Funcionario Severo, Espléndida, Vespertín, Carpulina, Condorazo, Ruthalia, Wover, Rosula y Ediciocleciana.

Además, Blanca Nieves (Snow White), Voltaire, Edilia, Glay, Emigdi, Ilisión, Cruzcaya, Cevisne, Quinidio, Neuresdin, Newton, Ringo y Afrodita, que se pueden encontrar en poblados con nombres no menos peculiares.


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Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:24 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 13):

All modern names have etymologies many of us aren't aware of. Michael means "Who is like God?" (it's a question!), Alex means "defender of the people", Steven means "crown", Philip means "lover of horses", Abdullah is "slave of God", etc., etc....

Among popular names that I dislike due to their meaning, "Dolores" takes the cake.  Smile

I would never try to be funny when naming my child. People might come to like or even take pride in an unusual name in adult life, but adolescence must be sheer hell for them.  Sad
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RE: Venezuela To Limit Names For Children

Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:47 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
So long, Hengelberth, Maolenin, Kerbert Krishnamerk, Githanjaly, Yornaichel, Nixon and Yurbiladyberth. The prolifically inventive world of Venezuelan baby names may be coming to an end.

If electoral officials here get their way, a bill introduced last week would prohibit Venezuelan parents from bestowing those names — and many, many others — on their children.

The amount of names sounds a bit arbitrary, but the idea itself, if it's well elaborated, doesn't sound that bad. At least it will keep parents from naming their kids "Superman" or something.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 13):
existen zonas llamadas Cagafuego, Dos Culos, Moja Huevo, Estero Maricón, El Pueblo Arrecho o El Placer del Culo

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Dude, that's so priceless! I wonder what those people had for lunch when they decided to give their respective towns such names.
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:37 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 13):
"La costumbre de imponer peculiares nombres no sólo afecta a los habitantes, sino también a los poblados, por lo que existen zonas llamadas Cagafuego, Dos Culos, Moja Huevo, Estero Maricón, El Pueblo Arrecho o El Placer del Culo, entre otros que figuran en los libros del Consejo Provincial."

Hahaha now I understand why they limit it !

LMAO "moja huevo" "el placer der culo" - who could name a city El placer del culo !!??

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Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:07 am

Actually I don't think these restrictions are as uncommon as you think. Portuguese can't just name their kids anything, there is a list, although as I know an Osvaldo and a Vladimiro, I think it's pretty long.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:08 am

Quoting Toast (Reply 5):

Desimar claims (and I have no reason not to believe him) that a friend of his was given the name Uno Dos Três do match his last name da Silva Quatro.

That's Uno Dos Três da Silva Quatro.

I htought it was "Oliveira" Quatro. . what I have heard about this is that it came out in a newspaper article poking fun at some of the weirdest names in the country.

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 6):
1. Hugo
2. Fidel
3. Mahmoud
4. Kim
5. Evo
6. Vladimir



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 7):

but Jorge Arbusto possibly will still be possible ?



Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 13):

"La costumbre de imponer peculiares nombres no sólo afecta a los habitantes, sino también a los poblados, por lo que existen zonas llamadas Cagafuego, Dos Culos, Moja Huevo, Estero Maricón, El Pueblo Arrecho o El Placer del Culo, entre otros que figuran en los libros del Consejo Provincial."

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RE: Venezuela To Limit Names For Children

Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:11 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
George won't be making that list.

Hmm....guess George Foreman better not have any kids down there then.  wink 
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 13):
El Pueblo Arrecho

Thats great !  Smile



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Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:21 am

Confession time...

Part of my family comes from Manabi...

Some bear 'interesting' names...

My aunt was called Rockela Filerma Loor
And a cousin is named Geoconda Cayetana

And my aunt had kids with these names:

Nixon
Tula
Kitty
Power
Dick Gene

[Edited 2007-09-06 00:46:42]
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:58 am

Quoting Toast (Reply 5):

I don't like Chávez, but I see no reason to bash him for this particular move.

To each his own. It's just idiocy. I'm surprised that he didn't command every first born male be named Hugo.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 11):
as much as I like the great Hugo

Oh Jeez, here we go, another wide-eyed Western European who thinks a dictator is great.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:04 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 22):
another wide-eyed Western European who thinks a dictator is great

"Another" one? How many pro-dictatorship Europeans do you know?  Confused
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:18 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):

The amount of names sounds a bit arbitrary, but the idea itself, if it's well elaborated, doesn't sound that bad. At least it will keep parents from naming their kids "Superman" or something.

How many people name their children "Superman" or similar names? Besides, that's a silly argument anyway, since any one (in the United States, at least) can change their name if they want.

What about names that have been in a family for generations? I guess if that name doesn't make the list the tradition can't continue?
 
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:58 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 13):
But did you read my link about the province of Manabi in Ecuador?

yes. I find those names a bit on the extreme side !  Wink
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:29 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 21):
Confession time...

Part of my family comes from Manabi...

Some bear 'interesting' names...

My aunt was called Rockela Filerma Loor
And a cousin is named Geoconda Cayetana

And my aunt had kids with these names:

Nixon
Tula
Kitty
Power
Dick Gene

My best friend (Dionisialynn) is Micronesian. They have their own "weird" names...

Flyona (my friends sister)

and her cousins:
Useful, and his brother Useless

Healthy Ham, and his brother Wealthy Ham

J3 (a very cute 2 year old boy)

Begleen, and her sister Beckleen

and alot more I've forgotten.

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Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:00 pm

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 26):
Useful, and his brother Useless



Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 26):
Healthy Ham, and his brother Wealthy Ham

 Wow!
Please tell us you're joking...

I've heard about weird naming traditions in Micronesia and Palau, but these blow my mind!

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 21):
My aunt was called Rockela Filerma Loor
And a cousin is named Geoconda Cayetana

And my aunt had kids with these names:

Nixon
Tula
Kitty
Power
Dick Gene

No me jodas....
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:03 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 21):

Haha very typical for Ecuador , I remember that many had names like Branson , Bryan , Wilson , Washington , etc .

it always made me laugh ...


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RE: Venezuela To Limit Names For Children

Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:17 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
George won't be making that list.

I am sure Dick won't pop up on that list either.  Silly
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:19 pm

Quoting Toast (Reply 5):
I believe most countries have legislations limiting the choice of given names for babies

Well - India does not - and I've not heard of this rule in a number of other countries! I would think such a law would be the exception rather than the rule!
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:24 pm

In Sweden there are restrictions on what one can name a baby, but there's not an "approved" list, and if something is "controversial" (as a name, not in the political sense) it will be decided on an individual basis. There was a couple who wanted to name their daughter "Metallica", and weren't allowed to do so. And I do believe there is still a restriction on using female names for boys, and vice versa.

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Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:24 pm

Hugo is such a nice guy tho. He is helping poor US citizens get affordable gas. Too bad his own people are in for a really bad ride. It's Castro all over again. I am glad I don't live in that country. Get out while you can.
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Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:18 am

Quoting Toast (Reply 27):
Please tell us you're joking...

I've heard about weird naming traditions in Micronesia and Palau, but these blow my mind!

I am not kidding. My aunt was a nurse for the State Department of Health and she met all of these people while on home visits for Hansen's Disease (Leprosy) testing. On a separate occasion I heard my friend talking about her cousin's weird names.

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RE: Venezuela To Limit Names For Children

Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:46 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 29):
I am sure Dick won't pop up on that list either.

And much less Larry or Superfly.  duck 

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Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:43 am

I think this is going to far in Venezuela! 100 approved names is off the limits!

Although I agree sometimes people make the most weird names sometimes showing lack of education and making it difficult to survive in the real world. Imagination sometimes goes to far! But well! Anyone can do whatever they want at the end.

People in Mexico are sometimes called Anivrev ( because of Aniversario de la Revolución), Mailaidi ( My Lady), etc...

Bad movement Chavez! When is he going to finish doing this rather unusual rules?!
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Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:16 am

Quoting Toast (Reply 27):
No me jodas....

I almost had forgotten about it!

Add another name:

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Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:58 am

[quote=LHStarAlliance,reply=28]I remember that many had names like Branson , Bryan , Wilson , Washington , etc .quote]

The idea is not that bad. You get many of these name in Central and northern South America, and to a certain degree in some regions in Mexico. It causes problems regarding documents, certificates, etc... Many people can't write "spanish" names properly, not to mention English, German or made up ones. Pronunciation becomes a problem also. A name doesn't make you "special" by itself. That would be somewhat cheap. Wouldn't it?
 
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Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:38 am

Quoting Toast (Reply 5):
I believe most countries have legislations limiting the choice of given names for babies.

I think you believe wrong.

Quoting Toast (Reply 23):
"Another" one? How many pro-dictatorship Europeans do you know?

There are more than you realize apparantly.
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RE: Venezuela To Limit Names For Children

Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:45 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 11):
Haha

as much as I like the great Hugo , I think this is a pretty stupid law ... they have more important things to do !



Quoting Aa757first (Reply 24):
How many people name their children "Superman" or similar names? Besides, that's a silly argument anyway, since any one (in the United States, at least) can change their name if they want.

well I think its a really needed law... (also he should not limited to only 100 names...) well even in germany are restrictions for the names... and yes Venezuela need it ... here are really weired names.... just 1 example from all what I heard so far since I am in Venezuela.

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RE: Venezuela To Limit Names For Children

Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:59 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 39):
well I think its a really needed law

Down here in Costa Rica, we could also use such a legislation as well. I mean, there are so many people with weird names out, and parents giving their children the most outrageous of names, that this should be controlled now.
 
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Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:07 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 40):
that this should be controlled now.

Why? You might disapprove of a chosen name, hell - everyone might disapprove of a chosen name, but what business is it of the government to specify what is and isn't acceptable?
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Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:15 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 41):
what business is it of the government to specify what is and isn't acceptable?

Because in the cases of Venezuela, Costa Rica, Ecuador, and other Latin American countries, it's getting out of control. Some things do need to be controlled, or at least regulated wisely.

Thinking about these names, I made a promise to myself years ago: that if I had any children, I'd give them more common names that are either German or Italian (the German or Italian is something related to personal preference though, the names to choose would still need to be common). After all, I don't want them to become a laughing stock.
 
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Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:40 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 42):
it's getting out of control

It has been out of control for decades now, it is perhaps more publicized now.

Interesting tidbit about the names, however. They tend to come from the lower classes.
 
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Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:35 pm

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 35):
When is he going to finish doing this rather unusual rules?!

As soon as he has obtained full and total control of names, marriages, travels, professional activities, THE party and the national companies for the various "fields"

Quoting AM744 (Reply 37):
It causes problems regarding documents, certificates, etc... Many people can't write "spanish" names properly, not to mention English, German or made up ones. Pronunciation becomes a problem also.

what about some flexibility ? In Switzerland, with a population of 7 million people and an area which might be comparable to the one of the province of Caracas, there are 4 domestic languages, plus from foreigners languages like English, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese, Greek, Turkish, Arabic, Tamil etc, and names in all these languages are full accepted. The only problem is that names for instance in Tamil are longer than the spaces on most forms (official things & private economy).
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Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:00 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 44):
what about some flexibility ?

Sure, I agree that different languages should be accounted for. I was thinking on a country with a single language, though admitedly that's not always the case.

Apparently there is consensus from citizens of countries with "Serious Offender" status that legislation is needed.
 
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Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:11 am

Quoting AM744 (Reply 37):
The idea is not that bad. You get many of these name in Central and northern South America, and to a certain degree in some regions in Mexico. It causes problems regarding documents, certificates, etc... Many people can't write "spanish" names properly, not to mention English, German or made up ones.

Exactly... I once heard a kid called Mickey Mouse Hernandez etc... I was shocked really...

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 44):
and names in all these languages are full accepted.

Yes but that's because you all coexist in a respectable society where difference is not a decisive fact. You have learned to live together ant to accept different names and have the education to understand them. It seems some people in Latin America just don't know too much sometimes and this invented names are a mess sometimes!
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Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:39 am

Quoting AM744 (Reply 45):
on a country with a single language

if you seriously check up the countries of the world, few are really single language. France has a German speaking (French writing) minority in the Alsace and Italian speaking (French writing) one on Corsica. Britain has Wales and some Gaelic speaking Scots. Spain has Castilian (main language) and Catalon. Turkey has Kurds plus an Arab minority in the Adana/Iskandariyah region, Egypt has a Coptic (10 mio) minority with a tendency to use English and French first names, Algeria has Berber as second national and French as "traffic-/business-language" with resulting first names. And our Indian friends may give a guess about the number of languages in their country. And what about people of "Red-Indian" or (real) Indian or Arab origin in Latin America of whom even certain presidents had/have Indian/Arab first names.
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Quoting KLM685 (Reply 46):
invented names are a mess sometimes

authorities ought to have a right to stop too extreme nonsense along specified guidelines, but such lists are rubbish
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