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Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:27 am

In a decision that came back to bite him in the ass, It is now being revealed that the University of Michigan had originally offered the University of Hawaii football team $600,000.00 to open the season in Ann Arbor on September 1st, but UM head coach Lloyd Carr shot down the idea as he apparently wanted the sure victory over the Mountaineers. The Mountaineers, btw, were only given $400,000 for their game with Michigan this past weekend.
Ironically, the hole in Hawaii's schedule was created when that other Michigan team (MSU) chickened out of their scheduled game with Hawaii this season and paid Hawaii $250,000.00 to cancel the scheduled contest at Aloha Stadium.
And one more twist to this story. After Lloyd Carr objected to opening the season with Hawaii, UH Athletic Director then approached Appalachian State about opening the season here, but they had opened their season here 4 years ago and lost 40-17 and said it was "one of the toughest games they have ever played in their schools history", and they too declined.
Interesting article from today's Honolulu newspaper:

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ap...1/709050401/1032&template=UHsports

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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Ins

Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:31 am

Cargo Bay plz

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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:15 am

This is what happens when a non-BCS school starts to win on a regular basis, no one wants to play them and its not just Hawaii, but a couple of other WAC teams also.
 
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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:29 am

Now who's grinding their ax?  Yeah sure


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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:55 am

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 1):
Cargo Bay plz



Quoting S12PPL (Reply 3):

The great thing about this forum is we can read the topics that interest us and avoid the ones that don't. I would suggest you guys avoid the ones that don't interest you. You'll both be a lot better off.

Have a nice day

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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:37 am

Quoting HALFA (Reply 4):
The great thing about this forum is we can read the topics that interest us and avoid the ones that don't. I would suggest you guys avoid the ones that don't interest you. You'll both be a lot better off.

You know the other great thing about this forum? We can comment on any post we want. Who said this thread didn't interest me? It interested me very much.
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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:57 am

Quoting HALFA (Reply 4):
The great thing about this forum is we can read the topics that interest us and avoid the ones that don't. I would suggest you guys avoid the ones that don't interest you. You'll both be a lot better off.

Nah, I'd just rather make fun of you for making topics where only other 1 person so far seems to give a damn. :-*
 
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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:29 pm

I'll jump in and say that I think its interesting. Michigan obviously wanted an easier opening game....and they got a game no one would ever forget.

The strong WAC teams (as well as BYU a few years back) exemplify one of the major flaws in the BCS system, in that it doesn't give these teams an equal chance at the big bowl games. It also makes it hard for these teams (UH, Boise State, etc) to schedule decent games because the BCS teams don't want to risk losing to a UH, Boise State or even worse, App. State.

Hawai'i's situation is compounded by the "distance" factor (UH is currently embarking on the longest conference commute to Louisiana Tech at over 4,000 miles). Either way, ESPN was offering upwards of $750,000 to fill the holes in our 2007 schedule and no one bit...Michigan is probably wishing it had.

The saga of Hawai'i and the WAC is interesting as were left out of the Mountain West breakaway due to our location. Sometimes, though, being the big fish in a small pond has some benefits.

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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:33 pm

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 1):



Quoting S12PPL (Reply 3):

I don't get it...why are you two being like that. This is probably one of the better non av topics at the moment.
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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:45 pm

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 8):
I don't get it...why are you two being like that.

It's easy to pick fights and talk smack on Internet forums where there are no repercussions...

I think of it as good therapy for people who've led sad little lives, always subjected to ridicule. It lets them turn the tables for once.

I just ignore it, personally. They're idiots.
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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:01 pm

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 8):
I don't get it...why are you two being like that. This is probably one of the better non av topics at the moment.

S12PPL has some sort of Hawai'i/Colt Brennan envy.

I look back at some of my posts from a few years ago and think, "Boy I was immature." (ask Pualani  Wink ) I think that college made me more thoughtful, and respectful of others' opinions. I try really hard now to just write well thought out posts arguing a point-of-view without insulting people or their opinions.

Some people take things too personally, and fall back to insults and arguing over well meaning and thoughtful discussion.

As for the topic...we usually don't get to know the details of how NCAA football schedules are created. I can say that I learned alot from the scheduling problems UH has encountered in the past few years. The behind the scenes offers of money and TV time is fascinating to me, especially how involved ESPN can get in trying to schedule games with good "plotlines."

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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:06 pm

Ahhhh intarwebs and sports  Silly You know what... you don't even need teh intarwebs to get people worked up about sports... it's kinda like in civ av when you piss on someone's "brilliant" plan for air service... this whole "say it to mah face!" mentality is just oh so much fun to mock every now and then  Silly
 
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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:12 pm

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 10):
I look back at some of my posts from a few years ago and think, "Boy I was immature."

The same thing happens when I look back at my posts. I've just recently done that since my 6th a.net anniversary is this month. The difference is extraordinary and that is just the difference in maturity from High School to University.

Anyways, back to the topic of this thread:
I've got to thank Lloyd Carr because this blunder gave us the (arguably) best upset in college football of all-time. Also, since I attend a school with a chance of playing App. State in the playoffs (Sam Houston State University - Southland Conference), this gives me hope especially after how bad we got beat by Texas last year.
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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:56 pm

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 8):
I don't get it...why are you two being like that. This is probably one of the better non av topics at the moment.

Because the thread itself is imature. Everyone on the plannet knows that Michigan took the App. St. game because on paper it would be easier. No crap. Do they look back on it and wish "Gosh shucks! We sure wish we had played Hawaii instaed!" Nope. Not for one second. They could have lost to UH just as easily as they'd lost to App. St. That argument is pointless and lame.

And as for Aloha whining and crying about how no one would take a game with UH this ear: It was on short notice! I'll tell you right now why Oregon State turned down the game with Hawaii. It would have given them no bye during the conference schedule. In the Pac 10, you play every other Pac 10 school, now. That bye week is important. OSU has a brutal start to the Pac 10 schedule this year:

@ ASU
vs. UCLA
vs. Arizona
@ Cal

After their game @ Cal, they would have had to hop on a plane to go play at UH the following week. Sorry, but that isn't fun smack dab in the middle of the conference schedule when you have to play USC Nov. 3rd. We would have had a home game against Stanford following the UH game.
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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:41 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 13):
. Everyone on the plannet knows that Michigan took the App. St. game because on paper it would be easier. No crap. Do they look back on it and wish "Gosh shucks! We sure wish we had played Hawaii instaed!"

Perhaps UM should have opened against Ohio St.

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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:23 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 13):
And as for Aloha whining and crying about how no one would take a game with UH this ear: It was on short notice!

When did I whine and cry?

The reason we were trying to schedule games at such a late date is because Michigan State paid $250,000 to pull out of a game which had been scheduled for YEARS.

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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:08 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 13):
Because the thread itself is imature

Oh...something else like your post on the "Impossible Quiz" would be more mature?

Your know what else is not mature? Misspelling immature.  footinmouth 
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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:40 am

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 16):
Oh...something else like your post on the "Impossible Quiz" would be more mature?

Could you explain to me how that statement has anything to do with sports? You managed to reference a post that has nothing to do with sports. Nice job. And given the sheer number of posts such as the one you just refered to.... Wow.
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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:16 am

Well, the search for a tune up game just got more interesting. That 12th game all those colleges wanted is not looking like such a great idea now that it's getting harder to tell who you can beat up on. Boise State, Appalachian State, Fresno State. San Jose State and other States (as well as other types of Colleges and Universities) have all had great seasons over the last few years and seem to be capable of knocking off the traditional big names on occasion....

remember...any given Saturday (or Thursday or whatever other day they're playing)....

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 9):
It's easy to pick fights and talk smack on Internet forums where there are no repercussions...

I think of it as good therapy for people who've led sad little lives, always subjected to ridicule. It lets them turn the tables for once.

I just ignore it, personally. They're idiots.

I agree completely.....

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 13):
Because the thread itself is imature

You really do need to learn where the spell check button is located.
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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:48 pm

Quoting DL021 (Reply 18):
That 12th game all those colleges wanted is not looking like such a great idea now that it's getting harder to tell who you can beat up on. Boise State, Appalachian State, Fresno State. San Jose State and other States

It seems to me that you can add Florida State to that list.

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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:31 pm

Quoting Pope (Reply 19):
It seems to me that you can add Florida State to that list.

OOOOOHHHHH!!!

Dude....that's coldhearted....

of course.....you being a Gator and all it's expected...... Let's see what the year brings.....

but I sort of think that Bobby's on his last year or two here...the recruitings not happening....
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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:04 pm

Quoting DL021 (Reply 20):
Dude....that's coldhearted....

I believe it was DeltaGator who had the signature that said "If you can't draw happiness from your rival's failures, you have no business following college football."
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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:32 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 17):

You called this thread "imature". Do you even know what that word means? I then brought up your "mature" posts such as "The Impossible Quiz". What don't you get?
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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:43 pm

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 22):
I then brought up your "mature" posts such as "The Impossible Quiz".

I didn't bring it up.  Yeah sure

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 16):
Oh...something else like your post on the "Impossible Quiz" would be more mature?

He did  Yeah sure

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 22):
What don't you get?

What don't you get? Did I illustrate it plainly enough for you?
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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:09 pm

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 13):
Everyone on the plannet knows that Michigan took the App. St. game because on paper it would be easier. No crap.

Of the approximately 6.5 Billion people on the planet, I would bet that more than 6.2 Billion did not know that! I would further bet that at least 6.1 Billion couldn't give a crap about US college football!

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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:53 am

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 24):
Of the approximately 6.5 Billion people on the planet, I would bet that more than 6.2 Billion did not know that!

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Quoting Gemuser (Reply 24):
! I would further bet that at least 6.1 Billion couldn't give a crap about US college football!

Probably closer to 6.4 Billion.  Smile

But those of us here that do like U.S. College Football are very passionate about it. Kinda like Sydneysiders and their Swans.

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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:57 am

....And now they lost to Oregon!  Wink
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RE: Lloyd Carr Shuns Hawaii, Schedules App St. Instead

Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:13 am

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 23):
I didn't bring it up.

I know...I did. Thats what I said.

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 23):
He did

He who? What are you talking about?
"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"

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