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I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:57 am

Figured some of you would want a heads up, I've seen a lot of posts for people who wanted to wait for a price drop.

We just started selling the (basic) I-Phone for $299 today--- get 'em while they're hot!  Smile
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:02 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
We just started selling the (basic) I-Phone for $299 today--- get 'em while they're hot!

Who is "we"? Is this an advertisement?
 
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:13 am

This is just great. I just bought a 30 gb iPod for $230, and now I see they've dumped the 30 gb and after reworking the 80 gb it's now priced around $240. Sigh.  banghead 
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:34 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
We just started selling the (basic) I-Phone for $299 today--- get 'em while they're hot!

It's a limited time offer and not an official price

They're dumping the 4 GB iPhone variety, so you can get one for $299. It's only while supplies last though, so I wouldn't call it a "price drop."

The real official price drop was for the 8 GB iPhone, which is now $399. That model will be available for anyone to buy until Apple decides to change something else.

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 2):
This is just great. I just bought a 30 gb iPod for $230, and now I see they've dumped the 30 gb and after reworking the 80 gb it's now priced around $240. Sigh.

If you bought it less than 30 days ago and didn't have it engraved, you may be able to return it (minus a restocking fee) and buy a new iPod classic. Be sure to mention your intentions to the customer service person; they're generally a little more lenient with stuff like that if they know your money is going back into Apple merchandise.

Otherwise, this announcement has been pretty big news for a while and Apple made it pretty clear what it was going to be about. Also, the fall season usually brings an iPod update. Ever wonder why they give those "free iPod" rebates to students when they buy a Mac for the new school year? It's not because they're nice, it's because they want to dump old inventory.
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:35 am

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 2):
This is just great. I just bought a 30 gb iPod for $230, and now I see they've dumped the 30 gb and after reworking the 80 gb it's now priced around $240. Sigh.

How much does it suck that these days, everything is obsolescent before you've left the checkout? With Apple products, it's only exacerbated because of their cachet value ("Oh, you have only an iPod Video? I have an iPod Classic!"). For myself, a lot of times it's as though I can't buy something--anything!--without it going on sale or dropping in price the very next day. Add it up, that's a lot of $$ I could've saved by being a little lazier or more patient or whatever.  Sad
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:01 am

This is sad. New Ipod and new price on Iphone after i just bought a new phone a few weeks ago.  Sad Can't they leave it be for a while.
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:55 am

My dad refuses to upgrade and thank goodness. I wonder how much they will sell.

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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:11 am

Trust me, don;t bother to buy I-phone. That phone is completely crap. They just rip you off. The screen is not looking sharp and clear during under sun expose on the outside door and the battery is just plain weak.


Buy Nokia N-95 -----> beat I-phone any days. I use Nokia N-95 and works great, almost no flaw. Got built in gps in it and website + songs. what could u ask more?

Nokia still the best.
 
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:13 pm

Quoting Queso (Reply 1):
Quoting ConcordeBoy (Thread starter):
We just started selling the (basic) I-Phone for $299 today--- get 'em while they're hot!

Yeah ok... Its due to Apple dumped the POS 4GB... Big deal. Also "we" is only AT&T/Cingular and or Apple stores if he works at either one. There is no other retail store/chain but Bestbuy's that have Apple stores inside then that sells the I-phone yet.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 3):
It's a limited time offer and not an official price

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The drop was the 8GB to 399.99 due to the V.2 of the I-phone is rumored to release early next year at the original price when then introduce it in Asia.
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:19 pm

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 5):
This is sad. New Ipod and new price on Iphone after i just bought a new phone a few weeks ago.

Umm what did y'all expect? That it was going to sell for $600 forever and ever Amen? Have we not learned from the last million times this has occurred? If only I could convince my airline that Heathrow slots will probably be the same story.... Yeah sure
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:29 pm

Quoting AC773 (Reply 3):
If you bought it less than 30 days ago and didn't have it engraved, you may be able to return it (minus a restocking fee) and buy a new iPod classic. Be sure to mention your intentions to the customer service person; they're generally a little more lenient with stuff like that if they know your money is going back into Apple merchandise.

I didn't buy it from Apple. I went to the Evil Empire since they were $20 (more or less) less than everyone else locally.
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:43 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):

Umm what did y'all expect? That it was going to sell for $600 forever and ever Amen? Have we not learned from the last million times this has occurred?

In my observation, Apple doesn't lower the price of a product that often. Instead they add more capability for the same price.
 
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:34 pm

Quoting Palladium (Reply 7):
Trust me, don;t bother to buy I-phone. That phone is completely crap. They just rip you off. The screen is not looking sharp and clear during under sun expose on the outside door and the battery is just plain weak.

Buy Nokia N-95 -----> beat I-phone any days. I use Nokia N-95 and works great, almost no flaw. Got built in gps in it and website + songs. what could u ask more?

You made that same claim before already, but you didn't bother to back it up in any way:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 23):
I don't want to buy i-phone because I heard that cellphone take a lot of energy. Battery won't last long.
Says who? So far most people have apparently confirmed that the iPhone battery capacity is generally up to specs, which are pretty good, actually:

Apple iPhone Cell Phone Review - Battery Life - WirelessInfo.com

Quote:
After extensive testing with several iPhones, we tested the iPhone as having a talk time battery life of 7 hours and 4 minutes. That's a good time, and is just a little shorter than Apple's claimed battery life of up to 8 hours. It beats quite a few of our comparison phones by several hours; the Ocean, the N95 and the Treo 750 all had significantly shorter talk time results. The LG Prada had a little longer talk time, though, and the BlackBerry 8800 had more than three hours over the iPhone, so if you make a lot of calls or travel away from power sources, the 8800 may be a better pick.
And as for battery durability, there is no reason to expect it will be below what li-ion batteries will achieve anywhere else.

Quoting palladium (Reply 15):
and the screen light...is not bright enough for you to see during a clear sunny day on the outside.
Apple iPhone Cell Phone Review - Screen etc. - WirelessInfo.com

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The iPhone's screen measured 168 in our test, an extremely impressive score. As you can see from the chart below the iPhone blows away the competition, with a score 87% above the BlackBerry 8800, it's nearest competition. Luckily the iPhone also has a sensor that automatically adjusts the brightness for you depending on ambient lighting conditions, so your eyes won't be burned out of your sockets most of the time. Of course when sunlight is hitting those 168 lux come in very useful, as you'll see below.
There is a lot of mythology around, most of it wide off the mark.

The facts are speaking against your claims. Nothing against personal preferences, but have you actually used an iPhone already in order to make an informed decision?
 
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:42 pm

notice to the world:

other mp3 players are better and cheaper, other phones are better and cheaper!
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:44 pm

Sorry to Palladium, but the N95 is a plasticky piece of shit with a 5 hour battery life.

iPhone may be "weak" but not nearly as shoddy as your finnish beauty!

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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:22 pm

Seems like the public has come to their senses and has stopped to buy an incredibly overpriced phone. I wonder what the European prices will be like, and if they indeed try to pull off a 500€ pricetag for a netlocked phone bundled to a contract. And who would be stuopid enough to actually buy it. And, of course, if they are willing to actually update its features to make them sound a little bit less 2004.
 
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:39 pm

Quoting Racko (Reply 15):
And who would be stuopid enough to actually buy it

too many, just see the whole iphone hype here on a.net, or also in the stores.
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:51 pm

The final price is NOT 299 .. it comes with contract strings attached of US$50 to keep it usable!
I would buy a contract free one for 299US$ better yesterday than today to use with my german T-Mobile contract.

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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:37 am

By the way, another unique iPhone feature:

You can now have mp3-ringtones! Some 5 years after this became standard for all mobile phones, you can use them now, of course not directly, you can only purchase them on iTunes for just 2$ a piece. The funny thing is, the apple fanboy crowd will probably find a reason why this is great and an absolute advantage over other mobile phones. After all, you have to justify why you spent all in all 2000$ on a mobile phone that was almost up to date. In 2004.

[Edited 2007-09-06 21:51:25]
 
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:27 am

If it were only the mp3 ringtones...

Here's a little best of features which apple somehow forgot while thinking of what they would make with the money they earn by selling the iPhone:

- You can't just use a mp3 as a ringtone. You have to buy it from apple.

- Are you waiting somewhere, being bored? Other phone companies include little games to kill the time. On the iPhone, you can at least clean the glossy display so your friends won't make fun of you again when they see you collection of fingerprints.

- No flash player. Of course, apple always knows what is best for their customers and has therefore decided that no page including but youtube is worth being watched on an iPhone. Ignoring the fact that youtube is available on other phones, like the Nokia N95 as a dedicated service as well, apple fan boys don't say "Our phone has no flash!", they say "Our phone has youtube on it! How cool is that?"

- Speaking of flashes, the camera of the iPhone doesn't have one, not even a tiny LED that you could use for portraits at night.

- But why should it? The camera of the iPhone has only 2MP anyway, or a mere 40% of what is today considered standard among high-end phones.

- Instant Messaging? ICQ? MSN? On almost all mobile phones today? Yes. On the iPhone? No.

- MMS? Who need's Multimedia messages, when you can write a sms. 160 letters can express so much more than a picture or a video.

- On the other hand, typing SMS is not that easy on the iPhone. While typing on the 600$ machine is in horizontal mode, apple has decided that it would be way more fun for their customers if they have to type SMS on the tiny keyboard in vertical mode.

- Coming back to the camera, it can't record videos either. You'll have to wait for the iPhone Video costing 1200$.

- Voice recognition? Who needs that? Who actually wants to call someone while driving in the car? And if they want to, they can still break the law - after all, they are apple customers!

- Now that we have figured out that bluetooth headsets are pointless with the iPhone as you have to hold in your hands to call someone anyway, it won't surprise you that the iPhone doesn't support the A2DP Stereo Bluetooth protocol. Cables are great, who wants wireless headphones?

- Headphones. Apple headphones. They are the way to go. Mainly because standard 3,5mm headphones don't fit in the iPhone jack.

- UMTS, HSDPA. Two great ways of using the internet while you out of your home. Great, that is, great if you don't own an iPhone. Somehow apple forgot this feature. But consider this: The longer the download of a page takes, the more time you have to put finger prints on the iPhone - more to clean if you need to kill time!

- The iPhone comes with a great map tool. Or, to stick with the truth, it would be great, if you had a mobile phone with integrated GPS like the Nokia N95.

- If your battery in the iPhone starts to die, you get to do what you seem to like to do: Pay apple. 90$ that is. For a battery. FOr comparison: The battery of a Nokia N95 costs only 20-30$ - and you can change it yourself. You could buy a spare battery and carry it with you incase you don't have access to a power line for several days. How lame is that?

- Earlier I mentioned UMTS. Another perk of UMTS is that you can video-phone with someone, maybe because you are away from home for a longer time and still want to see your loved ones. Well, be glad that the iPhone does not have UMTS. Otherwise you would be pissed off that your iPhone lacks a front-camera.

- By the way, as reward for the 600$ you just paid apple you can only use your iPhone with AT&T. That's called a netlock.

- And now imagine at your friend, and he has that great new song and you want to copy on your phone. Just ask your friend to download iTunes and register. Who wants phones that you can just connect to USB and access it with any computer?
 
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:48 am

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 5):
This is sad. New Ipod and new price on Iphone after i just bought a new phone a few weeks ago.



Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 2):
This is just great. I just bought a 30 gb iPod for $230, and now I see they've dumped the 30 gb and after reworking the 80 gb it's now priced around $240.

If you look at the history of the iPod, the line has been updated or extended or changed somehow every fall since 2001. It's nothing new. There are two times in the year not to buy an Apple product: August and March. Why? Because in April and September, they do something new.

Quoting Zak (Reply 13):
other mp3 players are better

No they are not.

Quoting Zak (Reply 13):
other phones are better and cheaper!

Yes they are. I am wholly unimpressed with the iPhone, other than it looks smoking, which I personally don't give a shit about.
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:27 am

Apple is getting ripped a new one.  rotfl 

Overpriced paper weight.  twocents 

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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:32 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 20):

No they are not.

yes, its called "any SE phone"
cheaper+more useful+always around+more robust and it has 50000x more features.
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:53 am

Quoting Zak (Reply 22):

yes, its called "any SE phone"
cheaper+more useful+always around+more robust and it has 50000x more features.

Wrong quote. I wasn't talking about phones, I was particularly addressing the "other MP3 players are better and cheaper" comment.
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:31 am

Quoting Zak (Reply 13):
other mp3 players are better and cheaper, other phones are better and cheaper!



Quoting Zak (Reply 22):
cheaper+more useful+always around+more robust and it has 50000x more features.

So I assume you have extensive use and real life experience of these brand new (day old) Apple products; enough to make such statements and have them be accurate? I, as an employee, highly doubt that.

I'm open to criticism by all means. But for gods sake try it first, and don't talk shit.
 
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:28 am

Apple CEO Steve Jobs is catching hell for the price drop.He nows says Apple will now issue $100.00 credits.Notice Apple stock took a dump.Here's the link:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070906/apple...phone_apology.html?.v=19&printer=1
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:39 am

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 25):
Notice Apple stock took a dump.

A 1.28% decline (which amounts to $1.75 for AAPL) is hardly a "dump". The stock is still up near it's 52 week high of 148.92 and nowhere near its 52 week low (69.70) and is up 18 cents in after hours trading. A single-day pulse by some skittish traders isn't anything to be concerned about. Now if they change their guidance downward--that might be a time to worry.
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:51 pm

I bought an iPhone when it came out, at the $599 price.

The phone is AWESOME.

Come on people, this is technology....when I bought it, I knew it would likely drop in price, and/or get better. That's what happens!



but this move on Steve Jobs' part, to issue credits to those who have already paid the old price, is monumental. Who does that? Nobody.

It's a further reminder of how wonderfully innovative, revolutionary, and customer-oriented this neat company is.

And I'm proud to own their products.


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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:31 pm

I don't understand why people are angry over the price dump. It was completely obvious this was going to happen. It happens with every aspect of technology. When something comes out its pricey and then the price will drop. Happens with everything. Especially with the holiday season coming up. People can only be angry at themselves for not waiting a bit.

Not to mention that just like everything else they are probably going to come out with software updates better networking and more features. Are people going to be angry over that too? I can only laugh.
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:36 pm

Quoting Flanker (Reply 28):
I don't understand why people are angry over the price dump.

Apple has always been seen as an anti-Microsoft. So when Apple shows it is a real company out there to make money (just like Microsoft)- it betrays this image and people feel cheated.
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:24 pm

Exactly. It's a company like any other company. A normal common sense person should foresee these things.
Its marketing. It happens on a daily basis. Its a commercial product. You cant expect it to keep its price forever. It was made to make money, just like anything else.

[Edited 2007-09-07 08:24:29]
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:19 pm

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 25):
Notice Apple stock took a dump

Stock always loses value after a product launch; once a product then proves itself, shares climb again. i.e. the iMac's. They fell to 117 and then back up to 145 before Wednesday. I bought loads at $71.
 
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:10 pm

Where does one apply for this 'credit'? I searched the apple website and and came up empty.
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:58 pm

Without reading too many facts, my first reaction is that this cannot be good for business (warning: i know, assumption, assumption). Why would they reduce the price at all?
Are they not selling? the next phone will have many features and the high price, why does the price of this one have to drop before the next phone is introduced? iPods, in my experience, maintained the same price till the next model.

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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:08 pm

I have just listened to a rather interesting podcast on the Iphone price drop:

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-11455_7-6457370-1.html?tag=cnetfd.pdcst

It is episode 555.

A very interesting view on what has happened

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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:09 pm

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 29):
. So when Apple shows it is a real company out there to make money (just like Microsoft)- it betrays this image and people feel cheated.

Not to mention they're just as bad, if not worse, at crushing competition.

Quoting Flanker (Reply 28):
I don't understand why people are angry over the price dump. It was completely obvious this was going to happen.

Yeah...if you didn't see this coming a mile away and you still bought the thing, you just paid the idiot tax Smile
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:25 pm

Quoting Kay (Reply 33):
Without reading too many facts, my first reaction is that this cannot be good for business (warning: i know, assumption, assumption). Why would they reduce the price at all?
Are they not selling?

It is expected that they will not make their sales targets in the next few months. It appears sales are slower than expected.
 
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:03 am

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 29):
Apple has always been seen as an anti-Microsoft. So when Apple shows it is a real company out there to make money (just like Microsoft)- it betrays this image and people feel cheated.

Ha!!! others that think like me!!

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Don't look now, but the role of the industry's biggest bully is increasingly played by Apple, not Microsoft.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136949-c,companynews/article.html
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:15 am

Quoting Racko (Reply 18):
By the way, another unique iPhone feature:

You can now have mp3-ringtones! Some 5 years after this became standard for all mobile phones, you can use them now, of course not directly, you can only purchase them on iTunes for just 2$ a piece. The funny thing is, the apple fanboy crowd will probably find a reason why this is great and an absolute advantage over other mobile phones. After all, you have to justify why you spent all in all 2000$ on a mobile phone that was almost up to date. In 2004.



Quoting Racko (Reply 19):

LMAO!! Big grin You made my day!

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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:45 am

Quoting UAXDXer (Reply 32):
Where does one apply for this 'credit'? I searched the apple website and and came up empty.

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/openiphoneletter/

Quote:
Therefore, we have decided to offer every iPhone customer who purchased an iPhone from either Apple or AT&T, and who is not receiving a rebate or any other consideration, a $100 store credit towards the purchase of any product at an Apple Retail Store or the Apple Online Store. Details are still being worked out and will be posted on Apple's website next week. Stay tuned.
 
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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:47 pm

It's strange, I keep reading articles and posts where people are incredulous about the price drop, about why it was done, why it was "so large", what was (going) wrong. They seem to be saying this because the phone was selling very well at its very high price point and also WHY would you just give up that hefty profit? ("Oh my, the sky MUST be falling!")

I think it is very clear and simple, Since the Touch is priced at $299(8Gb) and $399(16Gb), they had to reduce the price or else everyone would just go out and by the Touch and whatever phone they want. Now the price is low enough to make someone have to think about it a bit (I dunno, that $79+, two year commitment to at&t is pretty daunting as it is).

As it is I think there will be plenty of people who will now wait for the absolutely, positively coming soon 16Gb iPhone! As to the $100 credit, Apple wants to make sure it doesn't dissuade people from being "the first in line" to get their next hot new product out of fear that it will drop in price in the next month.

As to the flames and crap being posted, come on, grow up (sez I to a group of people that create amazing flame-fests over AvB Big grin ), they are phones and music players.... and video players and full function web browsers and......hmmmm!

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RE: I-Phone Price Drops To $299

Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:28 pm

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 24):

So I assume you have extensive use and real life experience of these brand new (day old) Apple products; enough to make such statements and have them be accurate? I, as an employee, highly doubt that.

I'm open to criticism by all means. But for gods sake try it first, and don't talk shit.

i have had experience with ipods since the very first generation, yeah i even managed to change the battery without donating more funds to apple. i am referring to the ipod+phone in general. if you want a phone that can do things, you can get 10 other phones out there with similar functionality or a better price. if you want a feature monster, you can get a nokia n95 for under 300euro without any branding or simlock, so the iphone is neither superior featurewise nor a winner on the budget judgement. if people want a stylish phone that looks good, yeah they should go and get an ihpone, but the praise that the phone is better is just marketing blabla.
regarding the mp3 players: the product itself is rather redundant given the features+functionality other mp3 players offer, for alot better price. the mp3 player will not be reinvented, and it has arrived at the state that mp3 players blend with phones, a strategy apple itself is pursuing aswell just to remind you. the existing mp3 players or the newly offered apples only differ so much in regard to features and functionality. in that regard, it is simple research to see which mp3 player offers most bang for the buck.this my friend is not an apple product and has not been an apple product, except the very early days where the ipod was a revolution.

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 23):
Wrong quote. I wasn't talking about phones, I was particularly addressing the "other MP3 players are better and cheaper" comment.

if a phone has practically equal functionality, i dont need to carry an extra mp3 player do i?
10=2

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