boeingfever777
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Why So Much Cheating In Sports?

Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:55 am

I'm a sports fan hands down like all other guys/gals. What I cannot understand is the massive amount of cheating in the world of sports over the last decade. Why do athletes and teams feel they need to cheat in order to win... Is that thrill of victory?

Some cheating incidents up for discussion:

McLaren fined $100m in F1 spy case
I mean come on... Stealing Ferrari's F1 manual to gain an up on them and why not punish the drivers?

NASCAR Rocked By Cheating Scandal
Again... Punish the driver to make a clear point to the rest of the sport! I still feel they got off easy.

Goodell determines Pats broke rules by taping Jets' signals
OMG! Suspend the coach and make the team forfeit their season... Taping the other team to learn their signals and cheat. God only knows how long New England has been doing this!

Landis’ backup doping test also positive
Doping to win the tour... Have we not heard this before? You can't do it naturally then don't enter the race!

God only knows how tainted Major League Baseball is and all the cheating going on there. From Bonds, Mcquire, Gambi and Palmeiro to Sosa and his corked bat.

What is the desire in major sports to cheat and win and how do these athletes live with themselves?
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legoguy
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RE: Why So Much Cheating In Sports?

Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:36 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Thread starter):
McLaren fined $100m in F1 spy case
I mean come on... Stealing Ferrari's F1 manual to gain an up on them and why not punish the drivers?

Very contraversial as it was not proved McLaren used the documents in question. And it's hard to say the document was stolen when it was given to a McLaren employee by a Ferrari employee.
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RE: Why So Much Cheating In Sports?

Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:20 am

Because many sports teams are businesses. Just like in every other industry, playing dirty has become part of the game.
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RE: Why So Much Cheating In Sports?

Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:22 am

One word: money. Way to much money at stake in sports today which causes some ethical lapses of course some people has cheated in sports from day 1.
 
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RE: Why So Much Cheating In Sports?

Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:26 am

Cheating has been going on in sports for as long as they have been played. It goes to the old baseball adage, 'if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'".

Someone once asked Amos Otis (a MLB player for mostly the KC Royals in the '70s and '80s) how many of the 193 HRs he hit during his career were due to the fact that he loaded his bat with cork and superballs. He responded, "oh, I'd say about 193." Gaylord Perry got to the Hall of Fame throwing spitballs, and everyone knew he was doing this at the time.

Athletes either want to be able to stay in the game longer, or think they can get away with it. It's nothing new, unfortunately. The methods of cheating are different and more advanced though.
 
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RE: Why So Much Cheating In Sports?

Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:32 am

It's really irritating to read at least one major sports article per week is about someone cheating to get ahead.

I think Woody Austin just did on the par 5 15th at the Tour Championship. It looked like he stub his first attempt on a tap in putt and scored it as a 5 instead of 6.
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RE: Why So Much Cheating In Sports?

Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:45 am

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 8):
I think Woody Austin just did on the par 5 15th at the Tour Championship. It looked like he stub his first attempt on a tap in putt and scored it as a 5 instead of 6.

I didn't see it, but if it's on video, they'll review it and determine whether he made a stroke or not. Professional and top amateur golf is about the last bastion of sport where there isn't much cheating at all.
 
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RE: Why So Much Cheating In Sports?

Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:47 am

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 3):
And it's hard to say the document was stolen when it was given to a McLaren employee by a Ferrari employee.

So I guess the Soviet Union wasn't really spying on the US to steal nuclear secrets - after all, it was only Julius and Ethel Rosenberg (and many others) giving them the secrets.
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RE: Why So Much Cheating In Sports?

Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:12 am

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 7):
So I guess the Soviet Union wasn't really spying on the US to steal nuclear secrets - after all, it was only Julius and Ethel Rosenberg (and many others) giving them the secrets.

We all know your views on the matter. You must be gutted that Ferrari will not be winning both championships this season  Wink
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RE: Why So Much Cheating In Sports?

Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:26 am

Money. Allegedly its the root of all evil. And dammit, it looks as if "they" - whoever "they" are - are right!! Big grin

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RE: Why So Much Cheating In Sports?

Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:28 am

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 8):
We all know your views on the matter.

You didn't answer my question - was the Soviet Union spying on the US or not? If so, why?
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Confuscius
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RE: Why So Much Cheating In Sports?

Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:31 am

I didn't see it, but if it's on video, they'll review it and determine whether he made a stroke or not. Professional and top amateur golf is about the last bastion of sport where there isn't much cheating at all.

It was ruled inconclusive by officials. It's was up to Woody's decision.

Here's the replay...

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RE: Why So Much Cheating In Sports?

Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:22 am

Or when certain coach spies on their rival and just says "oh, it's in the past".  Wink And I'm a fan of that team.  Angry
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RE: Why So Much Cheating In Sports?

Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:23 am

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 11):
It was ruled inconclusive by officials. It's was up to Woody's decision.

Here's the replay...

Wow, it sure looked like he stubbed it, I'm surprised that Woody didn't call that on himself! Hale Irwin did EXACTLY the same thing at the 1983 British Open (and did call it on himself) and lost by one shot to Tom Watson.
 
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RE: Why So Much Cheating In Sports?

Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:50 pm

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 10):
You didn't answer my question - was the Soviet Union spying on the US or not? If so, why?

I am not familar with that. Perhaps you can explain with your infinite wisdom. I hate people who answer something by asking another question.
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RE: Why So Much Cheating In Sports?

Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:37 pm

Besides the obvious money factor, I also should include the ESPN SportsCenter factor.

If you want your performance on the sports field noticed, you have to do something dramatic enough to make it to the highlight video on ESPN SportsCenter. That means using performance-enhancing substances so you can hit more dramatic home runs, do more great pitching performances, throw the football longer or run with the football through tacklers, hit longer slap shots in hockey, perform at a high level longer in cycling events, and so on.

Also, in my opinion the use of illegal performance-enhancing substances really took off in the early 1990's, when the fall of the Iron Curtain resulted in a lot of the secret sports-medicine technology developed in the Soviet Union and the former German Democratic Republic to reach the West, resulting in a lot of inflated performances everywhere.
 
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RE: Why So Much Cheating In Sports?

Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 14):
I am not familar with that. Perhaps you can explain with your infinite wisdom. I hate people who answer something by asking another question.

Ok, I will. Jukius and Ethel Rosenberg, and countless others who worked for the US/UK Government in one way or another, leaked thousands of classified documents to the USSR. Was the USSR spying on the US and the UK or not?
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RE: Why So Much Cheating In Sports?

Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:33 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 2):
Because many sports teams are businesses

and businesses care about:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 3):
One word: money.

plain and simple!

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